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12:31 AM
:o
He took down his webpage
I inspected one of the images, specified something like left: 2.387% in CSS, Chrome computed style = left: 2.323%
 
Zoom level?
No, that doesn't really make sense...
Zooming is EEEVIL
Actually, zooming is okay, I just wish they didn't apply it when printing by default.
That should be an accessibility option.
 
Hey so quick question what is the stack overflow affiliated sites for gaming. I just got an xbox and want to create avatars for my kids
 
gaming.stackexchange.com
 
hey thanks.
 
12:40 AM
Dear gaming, How badly do I suck at Starcraft 2? Provide examples.
 
haha
 
I think Microsoft designed the TagBuilder class to annoy me.
 
1:25 AM
@mootinator haha, try this one: my 9 year old nephew is better at CoD on the Wii than I am ...
@mootinator I'm pretty sure the documentation on MSDN says "also, annoy @mootinator"
so in reference to this question (just because I picked the one)
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Q: Alternative to HTML Dropdown

TheOnly92I'm currently having a really long list of university names that are not sorted in alphabetical order. What the user needs to do is quickly find the university's name he/she wants, however the user may or may not know the specific university name, it is requested that the user type one or two key...

where do we goto learn the names of things we don't know the names of but we know the concepts?
I wish there were a way to lookup things based on what I know I want the behavior to be
self.brainIndexSearch += GoogleIndexSearch;
that only works so well
 
Aha!
Lol
Check out this support message I got.
Can you please send us again the screenshot? The one you sent was discarded due to maximum attachment size exceeded. Please try to minimize the file size.
 
1:41 AM
wow
was it a png?
 
62kb
png
 
150
A: How to ask and answer homework questions?

Joel CoehoornThis is an attempt to reconcile two extreme positions in a way that is acceptable to the majority of the community: Some feel it's irrelevant that it's homework: always just answer with complete code. Some feel Stack Overflow is not the place for homework: close all homework questions immediate...

when did that happen?
"homework tag is now discouraged"???
 
Seems new.
Right.
I'm in the middle of making food.
brb
 
yeah I just made sloppy joes less than 30 ago
meanwhile I'm trying to optimize inserts on my now gargantuan 300million rows table ... I just rereviewed the code and for some reason someone decided to join against the 25million rows header table on new inserts, when they had already started implementing an output'd header-snapshot so I finished that out
also added three new indexes ... grrrr
I thought I was told this import process was completely inspected and up to date
maybe my next run can be done with "actual execution plan" turned off so I can find out just how fast it should be over a day-to-day ... additionally, my day-to-day have gone up 3fold since the last "succesful" import
so I expect things to ballon rather nicely at this point :D
 
2:27 AM
so what did you enjoy for sustenance this evening?
 
2:38 AM
Tea.
I have an idea for a really good Wiki question. Hm.
 
@Mike well? You gonna share? ;)
 
Ah. Someone is alive. Good.
I was thinking of making a Wiki to enumerate every SE technique I can think of, with links for explanation.
It seems like I wish I had a toolbox when I'm stuck.
So why not make one?
 
Ah-ha, the problem is it's kind of like needing to be able to find the hash of a dictionary based on the value ...
 
how do you define a SE technique
 
like finding a word in Websters based on the definition
 
2:48 AM
Any technique used to solve a Software Engineering problem.
 
additionally, hash collisions exist on definitions, much more often than they exist on keys
 
isn't that the entire field of software engineering
 
Separate coarse grained? Like a "Testing", "Design" section.
Yes, but I don't see any compilation of methodologies.
It's kind of scattered over several hundred books.
 
well I would think Wikipedia does a pretty good job of it
 
a wiki of the full contents of every text book in 6 year bs/ms SE degree program
 
2:49 AM
like I was just reading about prototypical languages
 
Not the contents. Just links to it.
If I want to know every possible testing technique, I could have it in front of me.
 
the point I was making was how does one learn all the names of the concepts one doesn't know the names of those concepts?
 
Hm. Click the link and learn. o=
Puts concepts in front of you that you may not know.
I mean, I don't think it would be closed, do you?
 
don't think what would be closed?
 
An SO question like I described.
 
2:52 AM
dont put it on SO, put it on your own mediawiki
 
yeah SO is the wrong place for that
 
MediaWhatsItWhat?
 
it's not so much a question but a wiki intent
 
I figured. That's why I brought it up here first.
How do you explain the number 1 SO question though.
It's not much of a question. ;)
 
link it?
 
2:57 AM
1790
Q: List of freely available programming books

KaranI'm trying to amass a list of programming books with opensource licenses, like Creative Commons, GPL, etc. The books can be about a particular programming language or about computers in general. What are some freely available programming books on the internet?

 
That's the guy.
 
because it was made CW before they asked the community to stop with the CW questions
 
CW?
 
community wiki
 
I wonder why they don't want those anymore. There's gold in those.
 
2:58 AM
there's a whole discussion on meta.so
 
They seem to want more specialization. Those questions are still ok on programmers.stackexchange.com
I'm not sure whether that's a useful distinction.
 
SO isn't being very business-like
 
Seems pretty blurry, but I guess I'll ditch it for now.
 
If they can get people to contribute great content like that, on their website, they should let them do so and slap ads on it fast.
 
They need to be a little more lenient on "subjective" sometimes..
Then I'll hate them like I hate YouTube. D=
 
3:01 AM
So then my advice is to leave SO and not look back.
I trust Joel and Jeff and the rest of the SE team.
I think they've done a great job building a community of experts, and I think they're working in the best interests of the greater part of the community.
I support my statement by referring you to meta.SO where most of these decisions are debated by the community before the SE team tries to implement them as requisite policies
If you have an issue with the way business is run on SO or any of the SE, then you should take it up on the meat.SE sites.
 
I'm not very vocal about my opinions. It's not much of a big deal, anyway.
 
Ahhh, but you just said "they need to be a little more lenient on "subjective" sometimes" ...
@mootinator wb
 
It's just what I think. Whether they move to it or not, I won't lose any sleep over.
 
@drachenstern Hi. My head hurts from deep frying.
I did a bad thing.
 
Back to reading. Later.
 
3:05 AM
uh oh, what did you do?
my 32GB table has 29GB of indexes, is that a bad metric do you suppose?
 
@drachenstern Hard to say...
 
it's all good as long as you have 64GB+ of RAM!
 
lol, I guess. I'm trying to get the table well into 400 million rows before 8am tomorrow
:p
 
@drachenstern I overheated my oil. House is smoky.
 
3:07 AM
it's at 270 right now
@mootinator not so good :| ... and it's not so warm out so keeping the windows open for some time will be yuck
how do you cook in the oil? frydaddy? stove?
 
Generic GE deep fryer
Most types of oil smoke above 375, so I'm not sure how that happened, actually.
 
3:54 AM
is it just me
or does everyday EF surprise you.
..or hate you.
 
Why do you say that?
This is also another reason why I don't like using frameworks :p
 
well
sometimes it makes things so beautifuly simple
other times i have to go back to a stored procedure
 
Why do I compulsively answer questions about mod_rewrite
 
why do I compulsively answer questions by people who seem to have no clue how to write code
 
4:10 AM
There seem to be a lot of questions about "What mod_rewrite rule do I need" because for most developers, they need a rule once and don't want to bother learning it, even though it's just regex with a handful of options.
@JeremyChild Frameworks significantly enhance my awesomeness for simple applications, and greatly detract from my awesomeness when it comes to anything remotely specialized.
 
@mootinator yes indeed
anything remotely business specific
just doesnt fit the cookie cutter
 
5:11 AM
What does it mean when a tag has an "rg" image next to it?
 
@DanGrossman The tag is sponsored by redgate
 
i see...
doesnt seem to be an effective sponsorship if I can't figure it it's supposed to be a logo, and clicking one of the tags didn't give me any clues :-/
 
It's kind of subtle, yeah. The tag wiki summary box is replaced by sponsored links, and the sponsor logo on tags which have sponsorship.
 
Hmm.. somehow I ended up here expecting some kind of explanation
 
Ah yeah, I guess the tag wikis themselves don't have any indication of sponsorship...Hm, I feel like there's a related meta post.
I guess not.
(or my search skills are failing me, heh)
 
5:57 AM
so I've done two loads of laundry, I've gotten my TSQL import to get even tighter, I've spent six hours playing wii with my nephew, I've watched Transporter3 and Portal (a crappy horror flick) and I've had a nap and cooked dinner. Besides helping javascript noobs in the chat, what else is there for me to do today?
Guess I can go feed the dogs :\
they might appreciate that huh?
 
6:18 AM
meh
smart dogs can feed themselves
 
I prefer my dogs to not dig in the trash thanks :p
 
I prefer dogs that cook me a steak too since they're in the kitchen anyways
 
I want to use a Coinstar machine, but I don't like the spectacle this creates due to the loudness of the machine in operation.
It's poor design that it sounds like someone shaking a tin can full of coins the whole time it runs.
 
so go put the money in, then walk about 15 feet away and watch it work
it literally is shaking a tin can of coins the whole time it runs
alternately go to walmart (or wherever) at 3am
 
why cant they coat the roller in plastic or something
 
6:26 AM
because it will wear off and clog the machine?
 
bah
if we needed coinstar on the space station, NASA would invent a new coating for it
if only we were planning serious manned space missions the past few decades, NASA could've created all kinds of new things for the world
<~ Managed to blame Coinstar machine noise on government policy
 
yeah, because coins are so obviously a construct that the moon or Mars need desperately. There's no reasonable way to use Visa or something
 
how would you use Visa on Mars?
hmm
is it even possible to communicate between mars and earth when they are not on the same side of the sun?
 
I would allow the Visa people to setup a system that assumed delays in transmitting and that incurred high penalties to the visa card user for exceeding their limits due to the delays in transmission of data, and I would then proudly display a "Visa" sign in my shop's window and at the counter
you're thinking to specifically. I still see people use those old paper "stamp-thwomp" machines
(I realize they have a name)
 
wow
there doesn't seem to be a wikipedia article about them
 
6:35 AM
but you know the machines I mean, right?
 
yes, imprinters
 
ahhhh, there you go
sounds like time to create a new article?
 
too lazy
reading
The colonization of Mars by humans is the focus of speculation and serious study because the surface conditions and availability of water on Mars make it arguably the most hospitable planet in the solar system other than Earth. The Moon has been proposed as the first location for human colonization but Mars has an atmosphere, giving it the potential capacity to host human and other organic life. Relative similarity to Earth The Earth is very like its "sister planet" Venus in bulk composition, size and surface gravity but Mars' similarities to Earth are arguably more compelling when con...
 
lol, I see you've been sucked in, but I wont let it happen to me ... I refuse the urge of wikipedia tonight ... for a few minutes anyways
 
The Dyatlov Pass incident refers to an event that resulted in the deaths of nine ski hikers in the northern Ural mountains on the night of February 2, 1959. It happened on the east shoulder of the mountain Kholat Syakhl (Холат Сяхл) (a Mansi name, meaning Mountain of the Dead). The mountain pass where the incident occurred has since been named Dyatlov Pass (Перевал Дятлова) after the group's leader, Igor Dyatlov (Игорь Дятлов). The lack of eyewitnesses and subsequent investigations into the hikers' deaths have inspired much speculation. Investigators at the time determined that the hike...
 
6:42 AM
I can see you're trying to hook me, it won't work! I've spent the last several years building a resistance to iocaine powder, and don't you see, it has worked, you've given everything away ... and now, we drink
but first, what's that, over there!
 
atm I prefer this one because of the cat in the C# room
 
lol :)
Raining animals is a rare meteorological phenomenon, although occurrences have been reported from many countries throughout history. One hypothesis that has been offered to explain this phenomenon is that strong winds travelling over water sometimes pick up creatures such as fish or frogs, and carry them for up to several miles. However, this primary aspect of the phenomenon has never been witnessed or scientifically tested. The animals most likely to drop from the sky in a rainfall are fish, frogs and birds, in that order. Sometimes the animals survive the fall, especially fish, suggest...
 
Look, I got this error code and the most common occurrence on google is for raining animals, so obviously my problem is raining animals even though I am in an underground bunker in the sahara desert
 
6:52 AM
I don't think this guy knows what he's doing, I really don't. It could be that it's 1am
I should be in bed
oh and that xkcd is rather accurate, my wife is going "<tap><tap><tap> its 1am honey, you need to be in bed"
 
maybe you should go then :) he'll figure it out if he rearranges his code enough
 
ya know, the first thing I would've tried is what he didn't ... /facepalm
I think I am gonna cut out
night SO
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Q: Is it wrong to use the hand cursor for clickable items such as buttons?

Camilo MartinI've always thought the hand cursor to be the ideal visual indicator for "you may click here" to the user. We are used to see it in this context daily because of it's usage on hyperlinks and hence all web buttons.              &nbs...

 
7:52 AM
Ack, PayPal is down AGAIN
I need to refund someone...
 
8:05 AM
hi
 
Hi
 
good noon
 
Good morning here :D
How's it going?
That article on Mars Colonisation was great, I wish it would happen in our lifetime, I'd love to visit Mars :D
 
8:09 AM
@KyleSevenoaks , going fine
and thats a great article
do you think that it will happen in our lifetime?
 
@Pramodh I do not think it will. We can only just get people on the Moon, and they stand on it for what, a couple of hours? I think it will be a long time til we're off making other planets our home.
 
i too think so
 
When's the last time someone stood on the moon anyway?
1972... why not in the next 38 years...
 
i think no one had stood on the moon
'Cause i heard that there is no wind in moon
 
@DanGrossman Hm, that's true.. Well if the opportunity arises, I'm moving to Mars! :D
@Pramodh But there is also MUCH less gravity, to the flag wouldn't so much "fly" as "float."
 
8:18 AM
@KyleSevenoaks :-)
 
There are no weather systems, but when the man in the space suit walks around, he still creates his own wind, just as a passing car does if you're standing next to a road.
 
so wats the conclusion.... any one stood on the moon
 
@Pramodh, is there a subtle difference between those three images, or you just like it a lot? :)
 
Yes, people stood on the moon, you can shoot lasers at positioned mirrors and get a response, the only way to truly test it :)
 
i can not view the image. Its showing like "Image not found"
 
8:20 AM
We see it fine, 3 times.
 
To play devil's advocate, that doesn't mean men stood on the moon. You can shoot a laser at satellites orbiting mars, but those were not placed by the hands of men, they were just flown there, and mirrors could've been dropped on the moon just the same.
 
oh sorry....
 
@DanGrossman Yes, that's very true.. But then this raises the question of positioning, how would a "remote drop" be able to positiont he laser well enough to bounce the laser straight back here?
 
Heard of the Mars Rovers?
We drive them all over the surface.
 
Different Moon landing conspiracy theories claim that some or all elements of the Apollo Project and the associated Moon landings were falsifications staged by NASA and members of other organizations. Since the conclusion of the Apollo program, a number of related accounts espousing a belief that the landings were faked in some fashion have been advanced by various groups and individuals. Some of the more notable of these various claims include allegations that the Apollo astronauts did not set foot on the Moon; instead NASA and others intentionally deceived the public into believing the ...
there you go, fellas
 
8:23 AM
@DanGrossman Good point. Well now I'm back to being undecided.. We'll just have to go there ourselves and look for footprints.
 
I am saving money for my trip to the moon
I should have enough by 2072 or so
 
@DanGrossman Haha yeah!
 
@DanGrossman : hehe
 
these cake competition shows on food network are ridicilous
nobody needs an 8 foot tall air brushed cake
 
@DanGrossman Oh god I'm so hungry right now...
 
8:28 AM
@DanGrossman I need one.. need
What if the 8 foot tall airbrushed cake had a dancing "surprise" inside?
 
That would be more entertaining as a cake AND as a TV show
 
@DanGrossman Damn right!
 
 
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11:16 AM
I think to be allowed to post on SO you should go through a rigorous "Can I ask a question" process first.
 
you can delete your text if you want :)
 
Not anymore :), it stays haha!
 
:P
 
Oho! cool :)
 
 
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1:29 PM
Yay, I can edit wiki tags !!! sorry, I had to say that :)
 
lol congrats!
and good morning!
 
ty, ty.
good morning to u too
 
Ready for the week?
 
uhm, i guess....
I really dont like objective-c though...
heres a line of code:

Table_ColumnEntry* entry =
[[Table_ColumnEntry alloc]
// with the column passed in...
initWithColumn:column
// and the column number
andColumnNumber:m_lastCol
// and create the metadata...needs to be autoreleased so it can be cleaned up
andMetadata:[[[ColumnMetadata alloc]
initWithTable:self
andColumn:name] autorelease]];
 
:S
 
1:32 PM
gross language...
 
I don't understand that...
 
same as C# code:
 
ugh
 
Table_ColumnEntry entry = new Table_ColumnEntry(column, m_lastCol, new ColumnMetadata(this, name));
 
aah
 
1:33 PM
now that makes sense :)
 
see now that I understand
Mr @KyleSevenoaks! How are you today?
 
@Sagar I am fighting a headache, so I came here for a rest :) otherwise fine, you?
 
I am fine also...
 
I'm fighting the beginning of a new week. That's why I came here :)
 
@RichardJRossIII That's good ti hear!
 
1:35 PM
lol
 
Is it true that you burned a graphics card :o? I want to know how to do that :)
 
@Sagar haha!
@RichardJRossIII It's very true!
 
hahaha Kyle you're going to be ever famous for that :)
 
Lol....thats why you listen to warnings and such about that crap...
thank god I don't do that much graphics work..
 
@RichardJRossIII Just write a really buggy 3D engine and accidentally make the chip on the Graphics card go through an infinite loop, it's a great visual display!
 
1:36 PM
lol
 
@Sagar :D
 
sounds pretty!
 
@RichardJRossIII it was great!
Only thing was I had to buy a new card :(
But I needed one anyway.
After that 3DS Max went SO fast!
 
Ya, that could be a problem ....
 
No lag! iwas very happy :)
 
1:38 PM
Lol, I wish I had that... I tried doing 3D programming with a crappy model maker...
that didn't turn out so well
 
So all in one I managed to do somethingI though was impossible, see something pretty and speed up my 3D software.
@RichardJRossIII Which one? I've literally tried them all haha
 
Haha
Idrk, something like X-- 3d studio?
it was free, and I'm cheap
 
Not heard of it.
Guess I haven't tried them all...
I use blender primarily, it's awesome.
 
lol... it was really bad..
 
Nothing is as bad as Anim8 though.
 
1:40 PM
I couldn't use blender, not a good enough PC it said
 
I say whatever, Ill stick to 2D programming... less algorithms to deal with :)
 
Goooood idea!
I'm actually making a 2d game now, 3d is just.. ugh..
 
lol
 
I know... 3d = a pain in the butt....
 
1:42 PM
In many butts.
 
YES, although some of the games made from it are cool, Ill let others do the hard work and reap the benefits :)
Lol this has to be the UGLIEST line of code ever (in objective-C)

Table_ColumnEntry* entry =
[[Table_ColumnEntry alloc]
// with the column passed in...
initWithColumn:column
// and the column number
andColumnNumber:m_lastCol
// and create the metadata...needs to be autoreleased so it can be cleaned up
andMetadata:[[[ColumnMetadata alloc]
initWithTable:self
andColumn:name] autorelease]];
 
WOw..
It's like... Code vomit..
 
Same as C# code:

Table_ColumnEntry entry = new Table_ColumnEntry(column, m_lastCol, new ColumnMetadata(this, name));
 
Yeah, that 3D engine that made my card all pretty was C#
 
I quite literally need those comments in the first version to remember what we are doing :o
IMO, C# and Java are two of the best languages for writing code...
 
1:46 PM
Yup!
 
C++ is not bad, if you can avoid all pointers, and name your variables well.
:S
LISP is about as bad as I've seen. I agree its not for general programming, but still
 
Uff, c++ is like walking through a river of syrup with rocks in your pants, I'll never touch it again.
 
LOL
 
I hate C++, its worse than obj-c!
even obj-c++!
 
I prefer CSS.
Can't even make a 3D engine out of it.
And that's fine by me.
 
1:51 PM
@RichardJRossIII what? how?
Table_ColumnEntry * entry = new Table_ColumnEntry(column, m_lastCol, new ColumnMetadata(this, name));
 
that's C++
It is definitely not worse than o-C
It's not as clean as C#, I agree.
but it's not that bad! :(
lol
lol Kyle
CSS? haha
 
HAha yeah
So much simpler.
 
I think, simplicity-wise, python is awesome..
You just have to be careful with indentation.
 
I never actually looked at Python, which is weird because Blender uses it.
 
1:55 PM
haha
it is some of the easiest code i've written.
 
I might look into it.
 
we actually wrote a simple ray tracer in about 1500 lines of code
 
Wow really?
 
yep
 
That's pretty impressive.
Was it a good one?
 
1:55 PM
that was my favourite project in school
pretty decent
only had a couple of shapes (cubes, spheres, and cylinders)
but all colours, shading, shadows
 
That's nice!
 
Python rocks for simplicity. I remember for the language that I've learned in half a day to code a simple and mostly working TCP server.
 
and the output was a simple image format (can't remember)
pfx? ppf?
something like that
 
No idea.
I rarely rendered :P
Made models for games.
 
@JohanBuret yep
ok
 
1:58 PM
I'm going to look into this Python.
Like, tonight.
 
lol
 
Im hungry, gonna get something to eat, be back in about 30...
 
What's the strangest request anyone's had from a cleint?
Have a good eatin' time!
 
make everything pink :P
 
HA! no way!?
 
2:06 PM
hahaha
 
2:21 PM
yay answered 2 SO questions today. feel productive :)
 
:)
I've answered a few, only 30 more rep til I hit the cap.
And only ten minutes left!!!
I feel more productive on SO than at my job today...
 
hahah
 
Oh well, that's what monday is for.
and friday.
 
yeop
I just want a busy week. That's the only way time passes.
 
Exactly.
 
2:32 PM
the monday is doing to know the life is hard and after cool thing, you can do some hard thing
 
hmm
Weekends would not be as exciting if it was not for Monday morning blues. Although, since SO chat came online, mornings are getting better lol
or is that just me?
 
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