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12:57 AM
who here does C?
EXTERN_C Thread* GetThread(); means it's probably implemented at a lower level huh?
since the comments read thusly: // These guys are implemented in ASM and won't touch any of the argument // registers, the C++ compiler won't take advantage of this however.
bbl
 
@drachenstern Very accurate
 
1:15 AM
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wtf
@rchern that is amazing
I have a general question about SO: how hard do you go to answer an OPs question
do you just give a brief summary, provide links, sample code, or pretty much a full working solution
 
I was going to flag it, but stared at the flag choices and was dumbfounded
 
Ah, it's already been killed :)
@Shiftbit It depends on the complexity of the problem. I have some very brief answers, some very indepth answers, then a lot inbetween.
It really depends on what topics you answer questions about too, I suppose.
 
@TimStone Do you ever get disappointed when you provide a in depth solution with no response from the OP?
 
@Shiftbit I don't think that's happened too many times, but in either case, no, since if I didn't actually want to connect the dots to get that answer for myself I wouldn't have even bothered to answer.
 
1:21 AM
@TimStone I guess you are right. You are really proving something to yourself
 
I can see how it might be discouraging to put effort in and not get appreciation for it though :)
 
Recognition is an after thought
Its definitely nice when its appreciated... its like the icing to a good answer
 
Yeah, that's true. I've also had OPs come back a month or more later and suddenly accept my answer, so I try not to discount anyone right off the bat either.
 
thats really random
 
@Shiftbit I really enjoyed one question where I spent a lot of time coming up with a solution, then the OP came back with a facepalmingly simple answer.
 
1:25 AM
@mootinator maybe you are sadistic?
 
My goal: Turn facepalm into an adverb and an adjective.
@Shiftbit Not that I'm sadistic. It served as a valuable reminder to make sure you are using the right tool for the right job.
 
what motivates you to keep reading text books?
assuming everyone has graduated
 
Boredom.
 
lol... I find other things to do when I am bored
 
The nagging sense I could be more efficient.
 
1:33 AM
I have this 'Windows System Programming' that i have been trying to read for over a month
I haven't read past the fourth chapter
I either end up rereading the previous chapter because I had forgot or I didnt understand
 
Sounds a biy like a snoozefest :)
 
lol
 
I used to get a few hours a week of PD time.
 
SO is kind of PD
 
Taking advantage was a good motivator then.
True.
 
1:38 AM
alright reading time
im going to get to the fifth chapter tonight
 
Aw, I'm sad I missed that wemen thing
 
Yeah it's spelled womyn.
Okay, time to take Resharper for a test drive.
Inspect -> Code Issues in Solution for epic lulz
Redundancies in code: 9280 issues. O_o.
 
2:05 AM
hello!
 
2:41 AM
woohoo, just broke 8k =)
 
@rchern such a shame that it's gone, is there any way to see deleted posts like that for posterity? Could I find it in odata?
@mootinator lol, yeah, some of those issues that it finds are going to toggle too, it'll say "make this change!" and you'll make it and it'll say "change it back!"
 
@drachenstern those with 10K can see deleted questions
deleted questions are not in the data dump
 
@drachenstern It automatically changed "static void Main(string [] args)" to "private static void Main()". I'm not sure that was the right strategy...
 
who do I know with 10k ... is @NickCraver still on? time to check rooms
@mootinator lol, it depends, was args being used?
 
@drachenstern No, it wasn't.
 
2:54 AM
then why provide to consume args if you don't need them?
idk, that particular overload may not work without args, but I've not seen argc on stuff in a long time so ...
 
Well, I changed it to public static void Main(string [] args) and it no longer wanted to change it back.
So I'm not sure what that means.
 
idk either
/afk
 
3:20 AM
/!afk
woot, I've managed to accrumulate 100 rep today somehows... interesting
how goes the resharpering there @mootinator
 
It turned into some not working.
 
lol
yeah that was my first experience too
you have to have the growing pains before you can get into it, as always
 
Looks good though, for sure.
 
but once you start to really use R# and have it configured for how you work, wow
 
Dear employer: I require $150.
 
3:29 AM
makes you wish Microsoft would buy somebody like this and make it part of VS
lol
true
 
That would be nice.
 
fortunately for me boss said "here's a copy of R#, go figure out how to use it"
now I'm trying to get him to buy me a copy of SQL Compare to match the other db devs in the office
I don't think he will tho, not before Jan1
 
Hah
 
stupid budgets :p
dear wolfrom alpha, what's the difference between July 1, 2008 and today?
861 days it is
 
dotCover sounds useful.
 
3:34 AM
dotcover?
oh that does sound useful
wish we did more unit tests
 
I wish I had any unit tests.
 
debating going and answering more questions
 
Kinda hard to make a business case for something that will tell me I have 0% coverage :P
 
@mootinator that was rather the starting point on this end too
lol, yeah
 
I need to reboot. Dropbox is confused, and I need to share a file.
 
3:37 AM
ciao
does this belong on Serverfault?
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Q: Hi, can someone tell me what really is the redirect and duplicate operator of batch file command?

Kevin Yangi read the manual of batch file command from http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/batch.mspx?mfr=true, and it says by using <& operator to redirect input and duplicate and Using the >& operator to redirect output and duplicate. and i 'm reall...

 
It is more suitable than SO imho
also it is power users stackexchange (not sure its name)
 
SuperUser?
 
yup
that Q is not about programming at least, but about some features of ms windows
 
I think so too
 
3:52 AM
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Q: Should the batch file programming questions be moved from SO to SF?

KengI'm going to put this question out for people to review as I've gotten into a discussion with another member concerning the 'legitimacy' of the existence of questions regarding batch files on SO. Although, he has not made a cogent argument to date, I thought I'd put it up here for discussion. ...

 
Those behave pretty much the same as *nix anyway :P
 
@TimStone I did flag it for mod review, not much more I can do.
interact with user, when no immediate response, flag for mods...
 
lol
Now I know what happens if you use 2>&0 in a windows command prompt on a non-existant command.
 
lol
 
lol, I've never tried that, what happens?
 
3:59 AM
The command prompt crashes/dies whatever.
 
the cmd window closes
 
not on mine
 
no crash here
 
it just says "invalid argument"
 
Hmm, really?
 
3:59 AM
you on win7?
 
I'm on win7
 
winxp
 
winxp
Never underestimate the throughput of a station wagon filled with harddrives. And what are the harddrives filled with? Turtles. And what do the turtles do? Carry station wagons full of harddrives. And what's on the harddrives? Dude. It's turtles all the way down.
classic
 
@drachenstern posted an answer. Let me know if it gets closed. You have my vote to reopen
it is not about automation scripts
 
lol ok that's fine. I just want to know what his level of interaction is before I try and give him code
 
4:08 AM
I don't know where this turtles meme came from, but I'm likin' it
funny
 
I think it is automation scripts, that's the only time I use redirect ops in batch
he may know what stderr, stdin and stdout is, or he may have no clue what they mean
 
its the only time YOU use them for that
Ha! :D
 
I know, that's my point
I use other ops in batch more often, such as labels and input
I don't worry about grabbing file output and redirecting input unless I'm automating
slight differences in application
also the fact that he has a 0% accept rate is pissing me off, makes me want to give him an answer devoted to "accept answers so we like you" but I'm trying to overlook it for now
 
It's a matter of personal taste ... and shop policy
 
he has good answers on the questions, but he refuses to accept any of them
 
4:11 AM
Oh yes, the accept rate is a great downside, but unrelated to the question
 
yeah, unrelated to the question
just a tickle in my side
 
I never really thought of sort<file.txt as equivalent to cat file.txt | sort ...and yet it is.
 
yep, it is
 
it is indeed
 
sort < file.txt > out.txt 2>&1
 
4:13 AM
Odd the things you don't notice sometimes.
 
oh, it is (this chat) parses the links to profiles too
or it is not :-(
 
@mootinator life is a path to discovery :)
@drachenstern Why do you believe that automation scripts and programming are different things?
 
@belisarius because automation groups tend to be systems administrators
they want to make repetitive tasks happen often and be repeatable in many places consistently
we programmers tend to do things ad-hoc
additionally, sysadmins tend to explain things differently
 
programming is programming, no matter how big or how small, whether the programmer is little, or tall, and even when the programmer isn't really a programmer at all.
 
"Apache declares war on Oracle over Java"
exciting title.
 
4:21 AM
@MarkE yes, and? the practices he's looking to implement might be better done in another vein. We think like programmers, very ad-hoc
 
Ehh, which site would a question like this belong on?
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if he wants to do automation tasks, then SF would be a better learning ground
 
@DanGrossman linky?
 
@mootinator not SO. webapps?
 
4:22 AM
@belisarius that was a much more congenial comment than the essay I was preparing
 
That question should be deleted.
 
Bwahaha
 
@drachenstern as an electrical engineer I tend to think pretty logically, actually, sometimes with lots of planning
 
@DanGrossman thx
 
4:23 AM
@drachenstern I consider that a cumpliment :D
 
@MarkE I meant taskwise, the repetition of tasks, not the structure
@belisarius it was very much a compliment
@DanGrossman which?
 
@DanGrossman I faced that problem multiple times AS A PROGRAMMER
 
@drachenstern well, I learned to program because of a repetitive task I was doing, the frequency was about once a month
 
@belisarius I'm not sure if "cumpliment" implies I was not being complimentary tho ...
@MarkE so automation of the task would've made things easier? or is that what you learned?
 
@drachenstern Don't take my English literally :D
 
4:25 AM
@drachenstern I automated the task by writing a program
 
@belisarius ok
@MarkE was it a batch file?
 
The first program I ever wrote was... hilarious!
 
I'm not saying programmers can't write automation tasks, and I'm not saying that sysadmins can't write programs
I'm saying that batch files are typically for automation, especially when you're redirecting inputs
 
@drachenstern Nope. It formats a monthly publication for my dad's website -- and it's still running
 
they aren't typically for editing pictures
 
4:27 AM
@drachenstern but as a programmer I've written my share of batch scripts to get annoying tasks done, and I don't ask sys admins how to write the scripts, I use the same tactics for writing the batch scripts as I would for writing any other program
 
since when a program should be interactive to be named as that?
 
and as a matter of course, I occasionally decide to write batch processing scripts in languages other than bash or windows shell that might be better suited -- and would encourage any sys admin to do the same if the task merited it
 
Hey wait ... a script is a program ... just try to name a difference and I'll find a scripting language that doesn't fit the definition
 
@MarkE I concur, because I also have plenty of tasks laying around that I've scripted out. I've also written programs to do obtuse things because I was bored. I'm just saying keep automation batch scripts with automation batch scripts. He's likely to come across more examples of batch scripts on SF than on SO, because we tend to focus on more exotic and less esoteric
 
How do I say that an SO question is a duplicate of another?
Flag?
 
4:31 AM
@belisarius scripts cannot be compiled to binary code normally. Or at least none that I know of. Even JS is interpreted all the way down to the runtime. (ok, it's compiled, but it doesn't goto native bitcode)
 
HEY PROGRAMMERS HOW ABOUT YOU LET ME DO THE OPERATIONAL WORK AND I SWEAR I WON'T EVER TOUCH ANY APP'S CODE KTHX
 
lol
exactly! my dba tells me that about the databases all the time (except she trusts me to not hork the database)
 
@drachenstern Wrong ... even the DOS bats can be compiled
 
@belisarius get out
 
really
 
4:32 AM
you can compile a dos batch script?
code or gtfo?
pics or it didn't happen
 
I'll get the link
wait
 
something compiles it eventually
 
please
 
compile != translating to byte code
 
i hate having people between me and the production server :/
 
4:33 AM
I am ready to be amazed
 
Having to ask the DBA to change the schema? Pfffth, just let me do it!
 
@MarkE but I was calling a specific thing out that source code programs can do that scripts cannot
 
@DanGrossman people hate having you on their production server
 
bat compiler
 
probably
 
4:33 AM
Ha
 
@drachenstern that says something about python as much as it does about bash?
look, if we're going to entertain questions about brainf*ck then we ought to be able to entertain questions about bash on SO
 
@MarkE yes sure, except consider that the runtimes are getting to be quite good
 
@drachenstern amazed enough?
 
@MarkE lol, perhaps
but my point was not that he was asking about bash programming
 
@drachenstern: we used to compile dos .bat and various other "scripts" to .coms in the early 90s
 
4:35 AM
@drachenstern the point is whether something compiles to byte code or not has nothing to do with whether or not it's a programming language, er, that is scripting languages and languages that compile down to machine code (like x86) are programming languages just the same
 
my point was ONLY that if it was about automation he might fit in better with the sysadmins on SF for that question
 
i bet battoexe just wraps bat with some execution, that unpacks and runs it
 
@RogerPate and before that
 
that's all I was saying
@belisarius I am impressed
 
@belisarius: "they" were doing that, but not "we" :)
 
4:36 AM
@RogerPate yeah I knew about the .com thing
 
@drachenstern but we use programming to do automation every day
that's the whole point
 
didn't think it had to be compiled tho, thought a rename was as effective
@MarkE but not in dos batch files using ONLY input and output redirection
 
@RogerPate Yep. I love that. It's so naive
 
you use something more complicated
 
I must've missed a piece of the early bit of this discussion
running commands != programming
 
4:37 AM
you use variables, you track state, you have a goal
@MarkE yes, that's my point
 
creating a script to do operations = programming
 
@drachenstern: I don't know how command.com dealt with merely renaming, but these were real compilers doing logic flow transformations, etc.
 
he only wanted to know about input / output redirection. To me that is automation. Had he asked about labels and jumps in batch files, then boom different opinion of the task
 
@drachenstern you know, some functional programming languages don't have variables or state!
 
@RogerPate I have no experience, only the reading of
 
4:38 AM
@drachenstern I made my living for many years programming BATCH in many languages
 
@MarkE yeah I know, but then again, you're not doing input redirection there, you're usually processing statemachines and the like
@belisarius I did too for a year or so just 4 years ago
for industrial automation type stuff
I wouldn't say "for many years" tho, more like "for many months"
 
man, I wish someone would post a Java question so I could earn the 40 rep between me and 8100
 
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It's a collection, no doubt
 
@DanGrossman flagged and voted to close.
 
4:40 AM
@MarkE now you're 10 points closer
 
heh
oh, so why do people do this?
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A: How do I parse this string with regex?

Mark EThe problem is you're not running matcher.find() so the expression is never really evaluated. What you have will work fine if you just change it to: if (matcher.find()) { Though this seems like it'd be easier if you just used the String.split method (or better yet, use a library for parsing C...

I gave a real answer there, and then a good 20 minutes later
someone else posts the same answer?
 
idk, I get that a lot
it pisses me off but what am I gonna do?
I just come over here and bitch
 
haha
yeah
I mean, if it's within ~1minute then it's a typing speed thing
or so I'll assume
but 20 minutes later? better add some value.
 
guess that doesn't happen in the tags I frequent, but it seems like that's just a new user who is ignorant of the site and probably had the page loaded from before you answered
 
upvoted yours
accidentally produces permanent searchable evidence of a voting ring!
2
 
haha
 
@DanGrossman lol, shhhh
 
pretty sweet
whatever the limit on length of questions is, it's too big
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That should not be okay.
=)
 
whoa.
live crab vending machines.
 
Uploadify is a very unmarketable name
 
4:47 AM
trying to trade on spotify et al
 
i've been trying to name one of my webapps for two years
i remain unsuccessful
again, live crab vending machines?
colbert report is blowing my mind
 
Ah, you're watching that too, good stuff.
 
@DanGrossman Gives new meaning to those claw machines with stuffed animals...
 
pottyfy would be succeful
 
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I answered
 
4:49 AM
I closed ;)
 
I got 3 'great comment' votes.
 
incidentally, @DanGrossman's comment is pretty insightful
@DanGrossman 4, now. (1 from me)
if only it earned you something ;-)
 
woohoo in b4 closing!
@DanGrossman +1 5
 
@DanGrossman: wondered why comment votes doesn't affect rating
 
That will eventually net you real email addresses. _????
 
4:50 AM
btw, +1 6
 
It's the typing monkeys algorithm.
If you put down random letters long enough, it'll eventually net you everything ever written...
 
ohhh didn't know!
 
@belisarius I want him to work for it thanks
 
The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare. In this context, "almost surely" is a mathematical term with a precise meaning, and the "monkey" is not an actual monkey, but a metaphor for an abstract device that produces a random sequence of letters ad infinitum. The theorem illustrates the perils of reasoning about infinity by imagining a vast but finite number, and vice versa. The probability of a monkey exactly typing...
 
4:51 AM
hehehehe
 
I am not good at statistics
 
oh crap
sorry
facepalms
 
Unfortunately, "If there are as many monkeys as there are particles in the observable universe (1080), and each types 1,000 keystrokes per second for 100 times the life of the universe (1020 seconds), the probability of the monkeys replicating even a short book is nearly zero."
 
what am I missing?
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Q: is 'giving out' a reference to 'this' inside the constructor ok?

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ooh someone's writing a rendering engine
Given his academic sounding other questions, I bet it's a ray tracer for a computer graphics class
 
| 6 | DEAD | Status: Monkey is dead |
 
the pictures in this RFC are priceless
 
SanDiego> WAKEUP
BoBoSIM> NORESPONSE
SanDiego> HEARTBEAT
BoBoSIM> DEAD
[11] "My Last Theorem: A Prankster's Guide to Ageless Mathematical
Jokes That are Funny Because They're True and People Can't Prove
Them for Centuries." P. Fermat. Circa 1630.
 
2 | HEARTBEAT| Check to see if monkey has a heartbeat
 
SanDiego> STATUS
BoBoSIM> DISTRACTED
SanDiego> TYPE
BoBoSIM> REFUSE
SanDiego> TYPE
BoBoSIM> REFUSE
SanDiego> TYPE
BoBoSIM> GONE
the critic reject codes are good too
| 5 | "Due to the number of submissions, we could not accept every
| | transcript."
 
4:57 AM
Glassman, S., Manasse, M. and J. Mogul, "Y10K and Beyond", RFC
2550, 1 April 1999.
 
ok well bubye 6 points of rep
I thought I had a good point
 
@drachenstern ?
 
@MarkE I deleted my answer
 
@drachenstern: i've upvoted you. so -4 + 10
== +6
 
lol, oh interesting ... thanks I guess
after reading some of the other responses I saw a reason you MIGHT do what he says, but it's awful dangerous
I was hoping peer pressure was a per event badge :\ ... it's not :p
 
4:59 AM
oh awesome, there's a citation and a real link to this page in the rfc
 

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