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Q: How does an indie programmer market his new product with limited budget?

Josh PattonI browse tech blogs and news sites, and see references to new software products. How do these people get recognized? I'm releasing an Android app soon, and I do not want to simply release the app and hope someone stumbles upon it. What's the strategy?

 
Woot, my preorder finally came
 
hehehe, ok, that's a funny place for that comment, I like it. meta-meme powers activate
@DanGrossman nice
 
@drachenstern :P funny
 
@mootinator it looks a little fake
 
4:02 AM
hehehe
 
@drachenstern hah
 
I thought you would appreciate that
 
Ruby, Io, Prolog, Scala, Erlang, Clojure and Haskell
 
@DanGrossman that looks like a tasty book
 
@DanGrossman: is that book about natural or programming languages?
ah
 
4:03 AM
ordered it two months ago and the release date kept being pushed back
 
programming
 
@JoshPatton so seriously tho, the trick is usually viral word of mouth. What app are you working on?
 
@drachenstern It's a simple utility app
NotifyMyWay
 
its purpose is to introduce seven different models of programming, should be interesting
 
how embed images here?
 
4:04 AM
@JeremyChild use upload to your right
 
@drachenstern It allows you to change the vibration patterns and LED color when you receive a text message
 
I don't have a use for those languages in particular, but it's always nice to have a sense of perspective.
 
simply send a message with only an image URL
 
The AlterStackOverflow:
http://i55.tinypic.com/5nkc3s.png
 
4:05 AM
@DanGrossman peep the upload button
 
Jeremy, only the image URL in your message
 
That's convenient.
 
yay congrats sir
 
SO asks that you minimize your use of the upload button
 
4:06 AM
do they?
even the part where it says to enter a URL?
 
@JoshPatton Answered. Sorry it was in the form of a worn out old meme.
 
I imagine they mean the upload function. One of the chat developers said it in this room at one point, long ago
 
@mootinator apparently the love does not translate
 
@mootinator Read. Sorry the community is downvoting your worn out old meme.
 
do you want a -3 so you can get a badge?
 
4:07 AM
@drachenstern We could achieve that for him
 
I'll contribute
 
I want to see what happens to a useless but vaguely funny answer on programmers organically
 
ok fine :p
 
keep me posted if you need a -1 so you can get a badge
 
4:08 AM
Welcome to slashdot: Useless comment (+5 Funny)
 
Wrath
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Q: rewrite the project

scottExercise 3: Exponentiation Task for Exercise 3 If exponentiation were not a part of our pseudocode, you could use the following simple algorithm to compute xy when y is a nonnegative integer. Trace through the algorithm using paper and pencil, and be sure you understand exactly how it works. Then...

 
OMFG
 
@DanGrossman "You do your homework, not us"
 
I don't want to do my homework.
 
it's in VB and C#?
 
4:10 AM
C++
 
ehwhoops
noticed that
 
@RobinCanaday Neither do I, that's why I'm here.
 
lol, that's why I graduated
 
Exactly.
 
4:11 AM
so I didn't have to keep doing homework
 
Good plan.
 
You see, the teacher only knows Visual Basic, and not well enough to write more than pseudocode. The course is taught in C++, so he asks the students to translate his VB pseudocode into C++ code, which the Teaching Assistant will actually grade. Or so I blindly assume.
 
that and my wife said no more minors
I wanted to do the math major after the math minor but she said no to that too
@DanGrossman +1 accuracy
 
@drachenstern Maybe I should do mine so I can.
 
A -49 question with a +296 answer...
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Q: How to send 100.000 emails weekly ??

xRobotOn my blog, I have 100.000 subscribers and I want to send them an update email weekly. How can I do that with PHP ?

 
4:13 AM
I have to do a discussion post on identity theft. Perhaps I should give them an eyeful of security tips (as many as I know, anyhow.)
 
@DanGrossman How would one get partial subscribers?
 
Opt-in but not confirmed?
 
@RobinCanaday Steal the teacher's identity as a proof of concept
 
Skimmers?
 
Look at the user's other questions:
 
4:15 AM
ooh ooh the official javascript documentation!
 
How is click-fraud detected? Can I save the credit card secret code in the database?
We've got a black hat here.
 
@DanGrossman: i've seen the Q with checked -100, despite the facte there were several answers >+100
 
Maybe if I figure out how to hack the system they'll replace it with something that doesn't suck. But that would be more work than just writing the post.
 
@RobinCanaday write it for where?
 
Computers in Business course :P. I hate required courses!
 
4:19 AM
Computers in Business? What's the topic of study? Dell Desktop computers?
 
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Q: What is the single most influential book every programmer should read?

NotMyselfIf you could go back in time and tell yourself to read a specific book at the beginning of your career as a developer, which book would it be? I expect this list to be varied and to cover a wide range of things. For me, the book would be Code Complete. After reading that book, I was able to get ...

 
Code Complete 2... am I right?
of course
 
Yes... one of the few books on the list I don't own.
 
it's even in my backpack right now
 
I would read.... er...
 
4:20 AM
@DanGrossman stop everything and buy it now
buy two copies, for when the first one falls apart
 
"Everyone always recommends this book, but no one ever says why, which leaves me with the opinion that everyone must have been brainwashed. :P"
good comment
 
Probably. Seriously, this textbook must be hell for the computer inept, and is just plain irritating if you already know quite a bit about computers already. You get a pretty wide range of students in the class.
 
I thought Code Complete was just for elitist jerks.
 
it is a good comment
 
@drachenstern Would you mind explaining what this book is about?
 
4:21 AM
it's a basic walkthrough on all the shit you wish they taught in CS classes.
 
I am skeptical of its value to me because it is published by Microsoft.
 
@drachenstern Oh, how useful
 
People that ask questions like "What's the best programming book, I think it's Code Complete"
 
Thinking about asking a question in the xRobot vain. "Where is the documentation for the Windows 7 Start Orb and what makes it change glassyness." -joke of course
 
@JoshPatton hang on I'm working on pulling something up and checking on my server
@DanGrossman ignore that
 
4:22 AM
Suppose I should read it before trashin it ;)
 
ignore that very hard
 
I don't write the kind of software Microsoft writes (large, desktop software), and don't plan on doing so in the near future.
 
I own Code Complete 2... it's alright but has a lot of stuff that I skimmed over. I didn't need all that for PHP...
 
I interned at MS and while I loved the job, I didn't love the software
 
@DanGrossman if that's what you think the book is about then you're well wrong.
the guy did work at MS for a while, yes, and I think he still does
but the book is about good code building techniques
 
4:24 AM
@drachenstern Yep.
 
I've seen the TOC somewhere in an expando list, and can't find it now
 
@drachenstern Throw code together until it starts working? That's my technique... I need this book
 
you're talking about MS like it is something bad
 
anyways, the book talks about good practices and reasons for why to do things
it could teach a non-programmer how to turn out code I would be happy with
 
Aren't there any other books like that, though? Good ones?
 
4:25 AM
but it won't teach things like FSM or automata
 
This one is a little hefty... sometimes less is more.
 
@RobinCanaday I've seen a few, but that's by far the best one
it's also language agnostic, by and large
 
True.
The examples aren't hard to follow.
 
@RobinCanaday go back and read the book again, things might start to show up as being important now
 
I like that GEB is in that list
 
4:27 AM
I'll have to think what other books I really recommend
 
I have a confession.
 
I own SICP somewhere in a box, never did walk all the way through it
 
@mootinator what is it
 
I like the "Head First" series.
 
@mootinator ...
 
4:27 AM
After I get out of school, I'm probably going to have to relearn some things. I went for the business degree because I don't need to go to college to learn web app development.
 
Even though they can be kind of annoying.
 
I'll pick it up again.
 
Coders at Work is interesting but not the "single most influential book every programmer should read" type..
 
I like the for dummies books
 
Not as a, this is a handy reference book type of thing.
More of a, this would have been nice to have while learning the basics.
 
4:28 AM
It seems like there was a good "for dummies" basic programming book that was pretty good...
 
I like the "The Elements of Style" being on there
that's pretty high on my list
 
I never use books as a reference anymore, even when I buy them with that in mind. I end up reading them front to back as context (even recipe-style books that walk through coding a project) then referencing the web when doing something real...
 
If you can write a proper English paragraph then odds are you can write a block of code
@DanGrossman me too too often
 
So many folks can't write proper English. It's sad and I don't understand why.
 
"If you can't tell me what an appositive is, I will not hire you as a programmer."
 
4:30 AM
No job for me, alas.
 
The only paper book I ever used regularly as a reference was the Kernighan and Ritchie book.
 
@RobinCanaday: because their native is not english, perhaps? :-)
 
I like the oreilly series for references
@zerkms so?
 
Well I'm off to live the life of a highschool student. And actually do my AP work for once.
Thanks for the encouragement, and such.
 
No, that's not the case.
 
4:31 AM
@drachenstern: do you know 2 natural languages?
 
I'm talking about college students.
 
@JoshPatton keep up and do the homework. It's important enough. See you around.
 
I have the "Python Pocket Reference" and "Ruby Pocket Reference" yet never actually use them when I need to look up a basic language construct :-/
 
peace
 
I usually just look up the details online.
 
4:32 AM
@RobinCanaday If you can't tell me what an appositive, a type of phrase, is, I will not hire you as a programmer?
 
Maybe I should force myself to code on a train without wifi or something, and bring the books.
 
@zerkms I don't, but my point is not so much that it must be en-US but rather that it must be a proper paragraph. And as we discussed on chat earlier today (oh wait, was that in Javascript?) en-US is the #1 language in the world, so ... I'll stick by that for now.
 
@mootinator I think you need another comma.
 
Ok, now I'm may be hired.
Or not
Apparently
fail.
 
4:33 AM
@DanGrossman Thanks.
 
@zerkms but I see your point.
 
I had a great grammar teacher in 5th grade.
 
@drachenstern: i've been learning to english for the half year, i like the level i've learned iit, but it is not enough to write properly
 
@zerkms but can you identify what makes a paragraph proper?
 
sure. reading is much easier that writing
*than
oops
 
4:34 AM
I should probably learn all those grammatical terms.
 
that is what i've said about :-S
 
A paragraph (from the Greek paragraphos, "to write beside" or "written beside") is a self-contained unit of a discourse in writing dealing with a particular point or idea. Paragraphs consist of one or more sentences. The start of a paragraph is indicated by beginning on a new line. Sometimes the first line is indented. At various times, the beginning of a paragraph has been indicated by the pilcrow: ¶. A written work — be it an essay or a story — is about an idea or concept. An essay explains it; a story narrates it. To help the reader understand and enjoy it, the explanation or narration ...
 
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A: What is the single most influential book every programmer should read?

Tall JeffFor programming, without question, the "correct" answer is Code Complete. This book is really unparallelled in setting a framework of thought around a disciplined approach to the actual construction of code. McConnell was able to do this in a way that was largely agnostic to language of implement...

 
It's pretty bad when you use a language all day and still can't identify its components.
 
that's what Code Complete is about you guys
@zerkms the paragraph is the smallest logical block of text, has a theme, has a purpose, and is an ordered sequence of sentences. Would you agree that's what a method is?
 
4:36 AM
I'll add it to my wish list
 
"Code Complete is about you guys" -- drachtenstern
 
Would that paragraphs had names, not numbers?
 
@mootinator it was close enough
should I have said youse guys?
 
@drachenstern I was just quoting you out of context.
 
There is one hard cover copy of the book available... for $262.11
 
4:37 AM
@drachenstern: seems like i'm a little out of a context.... :-S
 
@zerkms I misunderstand
can you elaborate?
@mootinator I know, and I never say youse guys, so ...
;)
 
I can't understand what "Would you agree that's what a method is?" is.
Which method :-S
 
@DanGrossman zomg, hardcover?
I would never!
@zerkms is function a better word than method?
 
eh, I'm buying a used copy of the book right now
 
oh, in case of programming
yes, then i agree
 
4:39 AM
yes, I am trying to draw a comparison between the literary device and the programming device
@DanGrossman good choice, I assure you
once you read it, you'll be in the brainwashed crowd, I do believe
 
Except that many people don't write paragraphs with a purpose and supporting sentences. They should.
 
@RobinCanaday that would be why I said what I did
 
Some people don't write paragraphs at all. Which explains a lot about some methods.
 
11 mins ago, by drachenstern
If you can write a proper English paragraph then odds are you can write a block of code
 
4:41 AM
I know too many people that love run-on sentences, and they tend to have really long lines of code, the kind that stretch on and on, and you are like really, you can't just get to the point of what your code is supposed to do?
 
btw, I've stopped on the 1/3 of the code complete...
 
and then I know people who write nice long two page paragraphs (double spaced, large margins, of course)
 
@DanGrossman Nice obfuscation.
 
@zerkms did you read the first 1/3?
 
yup
 
4:42 AM
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i thought it is a little boring, and stopped
may be i need to try to read it again
 
@drachenstern So in other words: take my writing seriously. Okay.
 
@zerkms it comes with time.
@RobinCanaday lol
 
Maybe I should find a way to incorporate a book shelf into my website, to indicate to potential employers/clients what relevant books I've read.
 
not mine tho! I'm horrid. I also write shitty code ;)
@DanGrossman that sounds like a great sidebar utility for a blog
 
4:43 AM
My blog doesn't have a real sidebar :/
 
@drachenstern: i've read N books about "how to design properly", but neither of them was so sleepy
 
Back to school then!
 
begins spying on who clicks the link
 
No, not really. I already feel sorry for myself.
 
4:44 AM
@zerkms yeah, it can begin to be dry ...
@DanGrossman but you do live in or near warminster?
 
@DanGrossman: nice ascetic design
 
My friends tell me it's horrible
I mostly ignore them
 
I like so simple-and-functional ones
 
Screw it, I'm doing the rest of my homework tomorrow.
 
4:46 AM
oh, I still need to do my work-work today %)
 
I wish it were work-work.
 
@drachenstern Why do you ask if I live near Warminster?
 
I miss that.
Er, some of that.
 
whois
 
I don't live there, but my business is registered there.
 
4:48 AM
by any chance about an hour from your house? trying to deobfuscate the zip code (since it's like 40% visible)
 
19422.
 
durn, was gonna guess
19492
-3207
 
@DanGrossman nice
 
The worn-out meme experiment is over.
 
Meh, this chat window squooshes the names when you make the window thinner.
 
Scary.
 
Restaurants
(within 15 miles) 5,476
omg
 
It's within 15 miles of Philadelphia, PA (population ~1.6 million)
in a straight line, at least
more like 20 miles by car
Shreveport has undesirable crime statistics :x
 
shreveport is not a great town, but it's not terrible.
 
4:55 AM
When I lived in Philadelphia, I had my car windows smashed in 3 times, parts of my car stolen 3 times, things stolen from my car 4 times, my house burglarized 2 times...
 
it's a lower income area tho, for sure
 
that's why I left the city when I finished college
 
I've only had my car broken into once, and that was in Houston
where I live is absolutely quiet
 
Amazingly, I had 3 Zunes stolen. Who steals a Zune?
It has no resale value.
 
4:57 AM
One of them was a special edition given to me by the VP of Entertainment, too :(
 
@DanGrossman: why do you "hate" ms and still buy a zune?
 
oh that sucks
 
I don't like the Microsoft programming environment and community very much. I don't dislike the company, and I thought the Zune (hardware and software) were superior to the iPod.
 
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A: How to handle large volume of data in gridview?

TomTomuse a proper virtualizing datagrid - not the one coming from Microsoft. Either do it yourself, or buy (Infragistics, Devexpress, Telerik, thy all can do that).

 
I still use the Zune software even though I don't have the hardware now
 
4:58 AM
what is a virtualizing datagrid?
 
it's beautiful
 
Anyone get a WP7 yet? :P
 
@mootinator nope
 
/me likes his sonyericsson k510
 
I used Microsoft Expression Web 2 as my main PHP IDE for a few months
 
4:59 AM
oh :-S
 
My boyfriend swears by his Zune; eventually I may give up on my quest for the perfect MP3 player that runs on AAA batteries and buy one...
 
I predict the WP7 will get a lot of developer support.
 
and I once paid full price (over $300) for Windows Vista Ultimate
 

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