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4:00 PM
@Sam Why not use the UK server, would be much faster right?
 
Sam
@PraveenKumar That would help with latency, not sure about speed.
@gunr2171 Yus
\o/
 
\o/
Ah...
 
Sigh, the name of a place is Bonavista—Burin—Trinity but the program won't allow me to put hyphens :/
 
@BhargavRao try using unicode
 
I wrote that program and made the program accept only letters and numbers ;_;
 
4:04 PM
well, I can't help you
 
Sam
 
I will rename the place in Camel Case ;)
 
told ya!
 
Okay I'm getting into an argument over there: stackoverflow.com/a/35344139/1743880
@MsYvette Take a look at what SO users think of anwseing typo ^
 
@SaucedApples think this is an answer or NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/35294353 ... it might be. Depends on peoples' mood at the time.
 
4:12 PM
@Tunaki The question has a delete vote
 
@Tunaki postgone
 
@Tuna I guess we need to inform the answerer as to when to answer and when not to. Looks like he'll understand
 
Not just the answerer. Look at all the users who replied to me...
And upvoted the comments...
 
Did I delete voted early than I should have
 
@thank you i have changed my code thanks for the idea — user5891511 yesterday
^^^ you mean the idea not to Delete my data ?
 
4:17 PM
@Tunaki Looks like telling them won't work --- Moves on :(
 
Probably linking meta post with comment will be helpful
 
@Tushar Got a good one?
 
Nah, got this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/174389/… but not good enough
 
@Drew Low quality answer but not nna
 
*NAA, Not An Answer
 
4:25 PM
I understand, just a typo
 
Close it!!!
 
Tushar accepts no typos, spelling, or grammar problems, like the use of the word lept
 
@Drew That's not even a word, I searched for it, didn't found. BTW, what does that mean
 
apparently a past tense of to leap or apparently not
 
Sam
4:30 PM
Anyone know a good text editor that can open large files (+20 GB)?
 
@Sam more
 
@Tunaki No, it doesn't explain about answering bad question
 
@Sam Voting to close as a resource request.
 
Sam
:p
 
4:33 PM
@Sam less also.
Although you could argue that they're not "text editors"...
 
Sam
Thanks guys, have some waffles.
 
@Sam -1 no rickroll attempt.
 
Sam
Oh, ok.
You asked for it.
 
is that what we've devolved to?
 
Bye, Going out for a walk. o/
 
4:39 PM
@Sam UltraEdit used to do this quite well, though it's not free.
 
@Sam Sublime Text is good at opening big files
 
Sam
Thanks
 
@EricD. Upto 20GB, don't think Sublime can stand that
 
@Tushar yeah I never tried with 20GB (but I've successfully opened 4GB+ text files with it).
 
@Tunaki Time for new Meta post? Maybe, you can ask new question.
 
4:52 PM
@Tushar Don't know if I'll be able to word it properly... And Meta being Meta...
 
batch8 count=7 is in the beehive
that's it for mysql. Who wants their tag of interest scanned?
 
@Tunaki You can try writing it on Github before posting on Meta like Tiny did and we can all review/improve it and then you can ask
 
@PetterFriberg I went Too Broad (not that it is too complex). It's a fishing expedition stackoverflow.com/q/35330563
 
5:09 PM
@Drew debian*/ubuntu*, apt, and dpkg?
 
ok
 
> I am trying to understand your question. What error are you talking about? (Sorry I wanted to comment but apparently I do not have enough reputation. Will probably delete this answer once I understand your question.)
^ The full text of an answer which received an upvote.
 
lol
 
Sam
lol
 
Did you flag it?
 
5:17 PM
let me guess, low rep :P
 
@DavidG yep.
 
@Drew "I do not have enough reputation"
 
SO should consider paypal us $2 and you can comment anywhere after 20 rep
 
@Drew by "us" you mean the SOCVR room, right? :P
 
unfortunate typo
 
5:20 PM
@SmokeDetector ignore- edited
 
I mean not us socvr but to SO
 
@Rizier123 can we start lining up some more votes on this one stackoverflow.com/q/35291918 if you have any to spare. If not no biggie
I am not putting mine on without a concerted effort, @PetterFriberg too
 
@PetterFriberg Can I edit your question for English?
 
5:28 PM
sure!!!
anyone can : )
 
"OP is hopping" ...
 
maybe the OP is hopping
 
Seems like I'm too late
 
np hey there. How goes the battle?
 
Which battle?
 
5:34 PM
to keep PHP clean
 
@user1803551 : ), yeah please edit...
 
someone already did while i was at it, but i will do a follow-up
 
I hope I stated my point...
 
i think so, yes
@PetterFriberg john skeet posted a comment for you, but it was deleted shortly after. didn't get to read it :)
 
He got afraid....
 
5:37 PM
he has an auto-upvote crowd large enough to sponsor him running for president
 
@PetterFriberg I see what you want to improve here, but I think SO already provides tons of advises and information to write a good question (red boxes, tour site, help center, info boxes to the right of the ask page, ...). Also it would be extremely difficult to write a generic template for the first question. So I think in the end OP would need more time to ask a question with a template, than it would take him to read the tour site in one or two minutes.
@Drew It's always bad ;) Also I'm not so active anymore, since you just get flooded with VLQ questions and it's hard to do something against it.
 
@Rizier123, the issue when you arrive at SO, that's it just to complex for anybody, it takes month to understand, that's why I think that SO should guide the user better.
 
But who wants that. Then nothing to biatch about
 
Sam
Shog answered finally.
 
5:52 PM
 
Sam
@Gothdo Seems like a poor question
 
@Sam reading
 
It takes time to analyze and make sure the dupe will reasonably stick. That is why a freeze frame is needed to determine that before the FGITW flood it
Not to mention the rubbish of the link that no one would ever see
But this site seems real happy with all the vaudeville anyway
@davidism could you organize a list of willing people potentially willing to clean up some batches. Not recruit them, but a list of potentials? cc @BhargavRao
 
6:09 PM

Python

Room rules: sopython.com/chatroom Code formatting guide: tinyu...
 
@davidism Unless it is part of a burnation effort we try not to close old questions as there are plenty of new questions to spend our close votes on.
 
BR said that. I have my hands full. It's your tag afterall. I spend hours a day recruiting. Someone else carry the load in their forsaken tag
 
If they are generating new attention then that is fine also.
 
@NathanOliver it's a bad question, a broken window. It needs to be closed in order to be deleted.
 
@Drew recruiting is not that easy.
 
6:11 PM
@Drew not sure what you're trying to say?
 
can you come up with a list of people that might want to help
 
Help with what? We already regularly close stuff, a lot of us are already aware of this room.
 
@davidism I agree but its four years since it has had any activity so it is not really harming anything.
 
to put your focus on batches of python that without the votes, those questions stay forever
we keep java at 76% survival rate. python is at 90%
 
@Drew where are you calculating survival?
 
6:14 PM
scans
 
Please evaluate, should stackoverflow.com/questions/24001778/… be closed as off-topic? It is the tour's example question and i think it's important to see if it gets closed
 
@NathanOliver given that all the more popular broken windows in the "what framework should I use, flask or X?" category have been closed/deleted now, the ones that remain will only get more search hits.
why stop half way?
 
Its a matter of priority. Do you want to use close votes to get rid of old things that are just gathering dust or do you want to use them to close and get rid of new crud that everyone sees.
 
@user1803551 I don't see why it should be closed. Why do you think it's off-topic?
 
@NathanOliver both. I'm not asking for the majority of your votes here, just a couple as I come across them.
 
6:19 PM
@Tunaki looks to me like "general computing hardware and software"
 
@davidism That's fine. I'm just letting you know how we normally operate. We generally only go after new content or Q's that are generating new attention.
 
as an aside, we need 4 or so troops we can count on for 20 to 30 votes a day to batches I can produce
 
@user1803551 I find it enough programming related to be on-topic, a bit border-line perhaps.
 
@Drew come up with a list, I'll pin it in the Python room
 
ok thanks bro
 
6:32 PM
@Drew Rubber duck debugging... I love it.
 
@Drew Looks like davidism's helped ya out :-)
 
yes he did thanks guys
 
^^ "ignore this question. I read the linked question again, now I got it. "
 
@Tunaki Both gone, the question has 1 del vote
 
@PaulRoub do you want your request deleted ?
 
6:34 PM
I don't know if it should be deleted so refraining from voting.
 
@Drew No, that's a comment from the OP realizing that the dup target answered his question fully.
 
gotcha
 
Anyway, In a meeting. Will be back later. Cya guys o/
 
@PaulRoub Inform the OP that they can accept the duplicate by clicking the big button on the top of their Q
 
@Tunaki Doesn't someone need to vote/flag it as a duplicate first? I voted as unclear earlier.
 
6:37 PM
@PaulRoub Just did.
 
Waffle
Waffle
 
@user1803551 I'd say not off-topic, just bad quality: it attracted answers that are doomed to be rendered obsolete each time Apple updates iOS (and the accepted answer is already partly wrong because of obsolescence), so I'd say bad example to show on the front page, but not our responsibility to close it.
 
@EricD. @Tunaki alright
 
not looking at it Eric, but generally I go Off Topic Typo ... leaning on the clause "resolved in a manner unlikely to be useful to future readers" ... It is a stretch but I do it anyway. And I leave a comment as such
 
Waffle.
 
6:46 PM
@Tunaki Na... Too broad.
 
Waffle.
 
Waffled.
 
Waffle.
Waffle.
 
Waffles for everyone :)
 
Waffle.
 
6:48 PM
Why can't we change Waffle for Dosa? :P
 
Because... waffle. I mean... waffle.
 
Sam
Waffles!
 
No, good for Dosa. I mean Dosa. :D
Idli is also okay.
It's been 2 years in the United Kingdom, devoid of those! :( :(
@Sam Can I kill Pham plz?
 
Why do you want to kill the bots?
 
@Tunaki Why wouldn't he? I mean, Sam made the bots real good at dying
 
6:56 PM
True.
 
i don't think that shog is too good at deriving conclusions from statistics, but it doesn't matter, his word is followed by his popularity
 
@PraveenKumar I'm usually satisfied by the dosas I can get at restaurants around here (Eastern US). Maybe I'm more easily satisfied than you are. A few years back I spent 2.5 months in the Pune area. I ate a lot of dosas then. I'm glad I can still enjoy them from time to time.
 
@Louis Omg Omg... Don't say these... I really wanna go to India and taste my home food. :(
I don't know when... :(
 
oh, it's the "0 down vote favorite" guy
 
@user1803551 what's that?
 
7:07 PM
'I see that packets do not reach their destiny'
...
'So ,my question is: what is the best way to trace the problem ?'

I suggest Tarot cards?
 
@PraveenKumar Sorry for stirring those feelings.
 
@cybermonkey Their post started with "0 down vote favorite", meaning they copy-pasta too much.
 
@Louis Ha ha... This is always there. If feelings are not there, then we aren't humans.
@AlexanderO'Mara Flagged it for mod. Copied your comment as the message.
You too do the same.
@user1803551 That's funny name.
 
@PaulRoub oops, wrong dupe way
 
@PraveenKumar Are we supposed to flag exact dupes for mods?
 
7:09 PM
no?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Well, no, but in this case, that's a blatant rip off. Wait. Don't flag it.
Since I already made a mistake flagging it, as it is not something super-important. We are supposed to just "close".
 
@Drew If i have candidates for recruitment, what's the procedure?
 
I would for plagiarism. But it's their own question.
 
@user1803551 bring them here and ping me or @PetterFriberg. Or have them go to Campaigns
 
If a question is an exact duplicate of another one an auto flag is raised.
 
7:12 PM
batch0 count=32 is in the beehive
@Braiam ^^^^
 
@Drew meta.stackoverflow.com/a/316635/3933332 -> I think with your suggestion you will hit a wall. Because SO has something very valuable, which is that everyone can post a question without any obstacles, which you couldn't do anymore with your suggestion. And on one side this is a very good thing and as I said very valuable, but SO pays a very high price for this!
@Drew Which is, that everyone can post crap without any barriers. And I think SO wants to keep that ability even though it's a very high price they have to pay.
 
Fair enough. Thanks !
I think new users would be happier with the alternative I suggest. The feedback would be more welcoming on average. Plus no spam.
 
Nice, Martijn is status-completing burninate requests...
 
hmm, wonder if he'll hit
 
@rene all those helpful flags for me :D
 
7:23 PM
:)
 
I flagged those 4 hours ago, he just got around to it now
 
For all the British people in here, who wants their tea faster: youtube.com/watch?v=mg3bFxdAZsY :)
 
Sam
I'm British, but don't drink tea.
 
@Sam Bots are exceptions
 
Sam
Ofc
 
7:32 PM
Bots drink wd-40
 
Sam
WD-40 goes in, and errors come out. :p
 
I just had to WD-40 my car door hinges. They were getting a little squeaky.
 
@Closey help
 
Sam
The bots are still offline.
 
You cannot have two id with same values. id="unique" is not unique. — Praveen Kumar 5 secs ago
^^^ Ha ha ha... :D
 
7:50 PM
Laughing at your jokes I see.
 
@Tunaki I am not mad. Plzzz don't take decisions based on that! LoL. « Ha ha ha.
 
@Sam I'm French, but do drink tea.
 
Sam
@Tunaki I'm Botish, but like waffles.
 
5 minute event warning
 
There are only 2 different letters between British and Botish. Is that the answer of the universe?
 
7:55 PM
Nope. 42
 
@braiam the potential jailbreaks with cv=0 is in the beehive files_archive folder
 
i have 1 more cv, who wants it?
 
chooses post at random
 
JAL
Step up your review game @Tunaki stackoverflow.com/review/helper/stats
 
Event Start
 
Sam
8:01 PM
And let the reviewing begin!
 
JAL
@PraveenKumar congrats on the php gold badge!
 
@JAL Meh I've not reviewed that queue in a long time yeah.
 
Anyone query the tags?
 
@JAL Aha... Thanks... :) Was long back...
 
@Closey starting
 
JAL
8:02 PM
@Tunaki I'm just trying to get to 1000
 
@Closey help
 
closey is down
 
Ah, ok.
 
hit by lightning
 
Any tags to focus on?
 
8:03 PM
@user1803551 exactly, we are still trying to fix the cpu, sorry
 
Java of course.
 
JAL
Yeah, I think @drew had some Java and iOS questions
 
Sam
2 days ago, by Sam
As Closey (and Nor) are currently out of action - and will remain so for a while - here is a link to the SEDE query used to fetch the tags during CV events.
 
thanks, was looking for that
 
Sam
If anyone's interested in following the normal query.
 
8:04 PM
> You have no more close votes today; come back in 3 hours.
 
@Sam out of action why?
 
Blame the lightning.
 
off then, good night
 
Sam
@Rizier123 Electrical surge.
 
I am going to work on C and C++11
 
8:06 PM
will tune in for more meta drama tomorrow
 
Sam
Night
 
Gotta love finding an awful question in the review queue with upvotes, assuming it's an audit, then discovering it's not.
 
@JAL Honestly I just saw a newcomer and thought wow let's make this tag connection to someone here (recruitment)
 
JAL
Oh ha, nice
But either way I'm happy to work on whatever questions and tags you have
 
8:17 PM
I'd say work the requests button (Tiny userscript thing)
also Braiam now has stuff in the beehive for debian (32 questions I think)
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Well, Chennaites... We are like that! :P
 
JAL
cool thanks
 
I will handle him.. No issues.
 
8:33 PM
Can someone paste the chat url for mobile?
 
it's not a url, it's some javascript for a link
 
I am coming up blank on that so far Braiam
 
When I hover over it I get http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/41570/so-close-vote-reviewers#
 
@Braiam Why not use chat.stackoverflow.com?
 
there is no mobile-only url for chat. you click a button that uses javascript to change your session / cookies. all the urls are the same no matter what form your client display is in
 
8:45 PM
Every time I use the review queue, I run out of votes to close this garbage...
 
8:57 PM
@Tunaki Deleted...
@AlexanderO'Mara Last del-v needed.
 
@PraveenKumar Last del-v delivered.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara postgone
@AlexanderO'Mara remove-
Imagine a world where bots speaking to bots... :P
LoL.
 
ERROR: Post edit timeout. Disable verbose logging to ignore these messages.
 
LoL.
@AlexanderO'Mara AOM k
 
yay, got my boss to give me a lynda subscription again
brb watching all the things again
 
user3956566
@Tunaki it's gone
 
@gunr2171 Omg!!! Then?
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Ah, yes, the good ol' days.
 
thankfully that wasn't anything more than an experiment
 
@MsYvette Let me make a screen-shot.
 
user3956566
9:17 PM
@Tunaki thank you
 
Later guys
 
cya!
 
cya!
 
Sam
cya!
 
9:19 PM
That's the magic about trains. You never know when something you say will be used as a train.
 
user3956566
bye
 
user3956566
@Tunaki yes that attitude reflects the growing idea SO is a free debugging service :(
 
Debugging: 'This has already been performed - however not included when i pasted it'.

Is it OK to wish to break all the bones in someone's copy/paste hand?
 
user3956566
@MartinJames I'm disappointed with Shog's answer to that meta Q. It's like he's pulled a rabbit out of his hat.. and it's a diseased rabbit.. :(
 
@MsYvette Rabbit?
@Tunaki LoL.
 
user3956566
9:23 PM
@PraveenKumar ...
 
@JAL lol 'Initializing 500 AVAudioPlayers objects'. That's sure to go well...
 
@MsYvette Thanks.
 
user3956566
@MartinJames do you realise we started off fighting on meta and now we're good mates :D
 
He has the data... So people follow his opinion.
 
user3956566
@Tunaki I like Shog, but he's annoying me, cos he's disagreeing with me :D
 
9:25 PM
@MsYvette SO has Myxo, a highly infectious and usually fatal viral disease of moderators, causing swelling of the mucous membranes and inflammation and discharge around the eyes.
 
user3956566
@MartinJames you mean blindness? :D
 
@MsYvette Vaguely. Lot of beer been drunk since then.
 
Isn't Meta all about fighting?
 
user3956566
@MartinJames half your luck. I actually forget to drink.
 
user3956566
I think so tuna, I think so.
 
9:27 PM
@Tunaki Shh.. first rule of meta - nobody talks about meta.
 
9:38 PM
@MsYvette I never drink.
 
@PraveenKumar I never drink water.
 
@Tunaki LoL...
I know who you are and you know who am I! :P
 
@Drew sorry got lost of mod posting comment on meta... I better answer them....
 
@PetterFriberg Just read your Meta by the way.
 
@Tunaki, I had to post it.... but I expect this result..
 
user3956566
9:43 PM
@PraveenKumar nice
 
@Tunaki, w8ing for your comment : )
 
user3956566
@MartinJames but does this mean that the founder of meta was delusional and created it with a figment of his own imagination?
 
That moment when you have a best practices question but you are a member of the SOCVR team and you know you shouldn't ask it on Stack Overflow...
 
@PetterFriberg Unfortunately, I kinda agree with the mods there... I upvoted the post because it's a nice thought but I don't think it's feasible.
 
@MsYvette You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment...
 
9:45 PM
@TylerH Try reddit. :D
 
@Tunaki, I appreciate your honesty... let continue flagging : )
 
user3956566
@TylerH and the thing is, there are best practices... that are open to wild debate :D
 
@TylerH Well, unless the best practice are widely accepted and there is no way you would ever want to do it another way.
 
user3956566
or it's my way :D
 
@MsYvette Of course ;).
 
user3956566
9:52 PM
I told Shog to stop disagreeing with me, wonder if he will comply :D
 
user3956566
I have to go and work on Ada
 
user3956566
BBL
 
I'm out for today, cya!
 
Sam
Cya!
 
@MsYvette sigh
shog is again saying that changing nothing will be best
sure if you don't try anything else, you can never find something better
 
user3956566
10:04 PM
you were right
 
Ofcourse I was
I've seen this coming after I first read your post
The inertia is heavy on SE and the financial incentive lies strongly on the site of keeping the torrent of bad questions and bad answers going
This site isn't optimized for legit contributors, its optimized to bring in more people viewing ads
 
user3956566
yep and the low rep users view the ads
 
user3956566
we'll never win
 
@Drew I have 5 CV. I'll take a run at mysql..... Done. One remaining lying on the floor almost dead at 4.
 
plenty of time to close stuff Tuna. Pick page 1 of java :P
 
10:11 PM
@Drew closing in is a fight against windmills
 
That'll be for tomorrow :)
 
then again why bother. Shog probably has a bot making the questions anyway
 
user3956566
@Magisch really liked your comment
 
@MsYvette Its unfortunately useless rage against the machine
 
user3956566
:/
 
10:12 PM
Im not insulting shog9's intelligence, he knows what is going on
 
user3956566
I kn
 
Obviously he can't make that case openly because it would rile up people pretty badly
 
user3956566
I felt his answer was smoke and mirrors to a degree... I must ignore chat, to work on Ada.. I'll be back
 
@Magisch I actually have the same feeling... and its understandable... that why I tried to hit on helping OP, avoiding the fight...
and to tell the truth I was surprised to see all these talk about the interface, I belived it was clear that I was only trying to demonstrate what you could achieve and not how it should be
 
Meta doesn't like change. So when you propose change, you gotta sell it hard.
Anyway... off to bed. Cya!
 
10:19 PM
I don't want to sell, I like to switch the ideas.. give new perspective... and in time maybe it can be consider, I'm more worried if my children have the flue
@Tunaki cya
 
Rob
Morning
 
Im not very good at politics and not very good at debating
and I have little patience for people who dont understand me
 
10:38 PM
For now on I upvote every dupe answer I stumble into. As Shog says, why should we care that they are helping the OP? Go off and learn Lua and Latex
 
"When you hit pack dirt you need to stop"
 
10:54 PM
sigh
This is why I hate politics and debate
I try to have a discussion with someone and I get snarky replies about knights and dragons
why do i even bother
@MsYvette I rest my case on your meta thread. Im not going to have a public debate with Shog9 and have him strawman my argument with tales about knights and dragons
Thats not worth my free time
 
pp_
I have no flags left for today
Could you take a look at this question?
 

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