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4:00 PM
I don't see US shootings outside of the US though
 
We're the Rodney Dangerfield of countries.
 
@phenomnomnominal have you read this story: youtube.com/watch?v=fldYGQD0Jag (this is the "kinda audiobook" version)
 
You know what two words are some of the most fucked up though? 'Affordable Healthcare'.
 
10/10 want safety move to Honduras safest place in the world!
 
@Cerbrus Just wait for our next batch of long-range guns.. :)
 
4:00 PM
Take away all cops guns and see what happens
 
railguns! \o/
 
@SterlingArcher Taht's not the solution
 
@SterlingArcher knife crime goes up, overall violent crime goes down
 
The solution would've been not to legalize gun ownership in the first place.
 
4:01 PM
um, too late.
 
But that's no longer an option
 
Don't touch my guns
 
@Cerbrus thanks Obama
if you take away my guns, what will I use the basement for?
 
also.. look at other places. Gun laws didn't prevent people from getting shot up in france.
 
4:01 PM
Swimming pool?
 
@tereško reductio ad absurdum
 
oh, that would be pretty dope
 
@Luggage Gun laws didn't prevent school shootings in the US, either.
 
a basement swimming pool would be fun until the rest of the house rotted out
 
GUNS aren't the solution. They're the problem.
 
4:02 PM
@Trasiva you mean what the rest of the OECD has?
 
over 300 million guns in the US and still it's mostly just criminals shooting each other..
 
America needs a purge night
 
@phenomnomnominal that's that I am seeing from USA: reductionism and guilting
 
(I'm not saying criminals won't get them if they're illegal)
 
@phenomnomnominal Yea, I'm just saying that the fact that the US has to label basic healthcare as 'affordable' is awful.
 
4:03 PM
@tereško media right? So powerful here.
 
@Luggage And the occasional nutjob that got his hands on a gun.
 
yup, and that.
 
Even in the few days I've been here I've noticed
 
@Trasiva the fact people consider it optional unless it's cheap enough is nuts
 
@Luggage Also, shooting someone makes you a criminal...
 
4:03 PM
The media fucks everything up
 
@SterlingArcher It's on TV, so it's true
 
@Cerbrus not in self defense
 
Fox never lies
 
I'm not talking about self defence which does not make you a criminal
 
CNN never lies
 
4:04 PM
@SterlingArcher True that
 
@ssube It's a 100% for profit business here in the states. It doesn't help that the FDA has such a fucking mess of paperwork that any new drug takes ages to be released, if ever.
 
Dinner is ready, bbl
 
Dinner? What are you, european?
 
we can't expect health insurance to be efficient when the government has 19 departments watching it
 
4:04 PM
@ssube you can't expect government to be efficient.
 
it's how our intelligence operations are a joke, because we have 20 intelligence agencies now
 
The moral of this story is we're fucked
 
There's 400 million people here. Shit takes time.
 
Burn it down, start over
 
Anti-gun talk is driven completely by emotions. Stats matter. If you gave a shit about human life you'd ban swimming pools and install speed governers in all cars.
 
4:05 PM
@phenomnomnominal which country is that where the new govt spends their first year combining and optimizing the laws from the previous one?
 
@Luggage strongly disagree on that one
 
Swimming pools matter
 
On which part, that numbers matter?
 
I think swimming pools should be banned because I can't swim good.
 
@ssube How could you possibly learn in the frozen north?
 
4:06 PM
If you, personally, had the power to ban either "assault rifles" or handguns, would you? and which one?
 
@Trasiva I'm not from here
but this place has a million more lakes than I'm used to
 
When people say "gun control" how often is that understood as "no guns". We have control here and I can still own a gun.
 
@Luggage No, that it's emotional
 
@Luggage Someone in my hometown got killed by an assault rifle at a shooting range
 
Handguns are more dangerous, because dual weild
 
4:07 PM
@ssube Jump off into into a lake, flop around until you figure it out.
 
@Luggage IMO, no personal ownership, let people rent them for hunting and range shooting.
 
@Meredith negligence, ricochet?
 
"no guns" is simply how they rally people against said gun control.
 
guys, calm down, it's fine. This is all a simulation
 
@Trasiva I tried that, it didn't go very well.
 
4:07 PM
@Meredith Hi, I like Florida.
 
I got back to the boat, but only just.
 
@rlemon aha! I am in favor or stronger, more consistent rules for buying guns. Republicans hate me.
 
@KevinB seems like it.
 
@ssube Go take one of those swimming classes then!
 
@SterlingArcher Iirc the dude was shooting at a target and turned around and killed his son
 
4:07 PM
being a bottle of gin and a case of cider in didn't help
 
@phenomnomnominal :D Glad you enjoy it
 
like on purpose? :/
 
I'm not gonna be in town this weekend so I can't go to Fest :(
 
@Luggage seems like common sense to me
 
@SterlingArcher No it was an accident
 
4:08 PM
@Meredith I've seen Trump and Hillary and The Flatliners, so it's been great so far :)
 
JavaFest?!
 
Canadian bias
 
and even gun registration, which other pro-gun people are very against.
 
jesus.. the first thing they teach you is never point a gun at somebody at a range
 
As a foreigner, it's fucking terrifying walking around knowing people have guns.
 
@Trasiva what's the military term for that ^
 
@SterlingArcher which is regularly ignored
 
@SterlingArcher but it's ok to point a gun at somebody who's not at a range
 
we got rid of hoverboards and Note 7's because they caused so many accidents, how are guns different?
 
@SterlingArcher Clean line of fire? Maintaining your AOR? (Area of Responsibility) Don't be a fucking window licker? Maintaining your weapon down range?
 
4:09 PM
@phenomnomnominal meh.. once you get used to the fact that all these people are NOT shooting each other, you get used to it.
 
/at a/in/
 
@ssube you can't compare a lithium ion battery factory recall to accidental shootings
How many people are "accidentally" shooting people
 
he just did
 
@SterlingArcher why only include accidental shootings though?
 
Gun control !== No guns
 
4:10 PM
@SterlingArcher an absolute shitload
 
Recall == no phones
 
As far as I know no one has killed someone on purpose with a Note 7
 
@SterlingArcher Like, a lot
 
> According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.23 per 100,000 U.S. citizens); 11,208 homicides (3.5 per 100,000); 21,175 suicides; 505 deaths due to accidental/negligent discharge of a firearm; and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined...
 
4:10 PM
@phenomnomnominal because you can't throw a Note7 at somebody in an attempt to bomb them lol
 
@SterlingArcher most gun injuries are accidental
 
well, you can
it just wouldn't be very effective
 
Playing with firearms is a recurring problem in the military sector, and that's with people trained to use them
 
@SterlingArcher thus making them less dangerous than guns
 
4:11 PM
Now how many of those accidents are criminal?
 
Whether they're criminal or not is bullshit
 
depends on local laws
 
accidents aren't criminal by definition
 
@SterlingArcher What do you mean by that?
 
clearly the laws here are fucked
 
4:12 PM
How many of those accidental shootings were from an illegally obtained gun at a robbery?
 
You could reduce the rate of accidents somewhat be having some form of mandatory training. Right now there is often non.
 
Whether you can be charged with misuse of a weapon? Pretty much all of them where you don't end up hurting yourself
 
It's a question of how many lives are saved by banning a smart phone, vs banning guns
 
@SterlingArcher very few
most firearm injuries are from legal guns being used by the owner or a friend, usually doing something dumb
 
it'd be a wash due to the outrage of those who feel like the government is taking away their power to revolt.
 
4:12 PM
@Luggage stop being sensible
 
Also banning kinder eggs
 
@Zirak For the record, doing stupid shit while deployed? That's because if you don't blow the steam somehow, you're going to lose your entire fucking mind.
 
That saves lives
 
hence my position that we should keep guns locked up and let people rent them for hunting trips
 
@Meredith THIS IS THE REAL ISSUE
 
4:13 PM
when you need a (dangerous thing) for (reason), go get one from the (dangerous things storage place), but don't leave them around the house to play with
 
@Trasiva zirak may know a thing or two about military conflict
Remember where he lives
 
@ssube rent? No. Renting shit is expensive. I'm all for background checks and mandatory storage lockers, but the key here is being allowed to have them
 
@rlemon I don't know where he lives actually.
 
Hey, is anyone familiar with fullpage.js? Does anyone know how to fix the slides so they aren't moving upwards when resizing the browser height?
 
@rubyred2 Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
4:14 PM
@SterlingArcher sounds a lot like gun control
 
@SterlingArcher whether you rent it or just keep it in safe storage, that's going to solve most of the problem
 
A form of it yes. In America, gun control typically means banning weapons completely
 
@Trasiva Most of the accidents I know of are not "hey lets shoot some rocks somewhere", it's "lol I pointed my weapon at you it's so funny haha woops" or cleaning your weapon while it's loaded or forgetting you just finished guard duty
 
@Trasiva same as madara and benji
 
@SterlingArcher due to the media being ridiculous
 
4:14 PM
@SterlingArcher name a bill that proposed that
 
@ssube that part I agree on. So long as I can quickly access it when somebody breaks into my home idc
 
@SterlingArcher no, that's simply how the NRA spins it to get their base against any form of gun control.
 
That's a gun ban
 
@SterlingArcher but that isn't what it means anywhere else
 
Add licensing to that and you have something resembling what most other countries have
 
4:14 PM
gun bans come up rarely/never, that's media spin
 
Anywhere else isn't murica
 
Anywhere else is better
 
at this rate, since I already have to find a new job, maybe I'll just find a new country too
 
well, certain guns or features of guns are banned all the time. e.g. Maryland uses a whitelist for guns.
 
@rlemon does Canada have any jerbs I can take?
 
4:15 PM
@Zirak See, I never heard of any of that happening with our guys. Usually it's the first thing. We had one guy actually lose his hearing because they dropped a flash bang into the port a john he was in.
 
@ssube lots
 
also, no bayonettes. That's illegal. (hah)
 
@Luggage my pellet gun is technically not allowed outside without a case, on account of the lasers
 
@ssube shoot me your CV, I can pass it around
 
4:16 PM
@Trasiva oh, that shit happens a lot, too. Just less with rifles
 
@rlemon I'm finishing it up tonight, but I may actually do that...
 
@rlemon Dude, inappropes. We're just talking about gun safety, and you're off shooting CVs.
 
can we cover abortion, next?
 
@Zirak I dunno what your guys' standard loadout is, but for us it's usually an M16 or M4 (both 5.56 rifles) with an M9 (9mm pistol) side arm in some cases.
 
before we switch topics entirely (cause it looks like this one is dying), I would like to congratulate everyone on very little ad hominem
 
4:18 PM
leaves
 
@Zirak story time: working in e learning. We had to change the American language pack to say "score" and not "mark" as marking people was upsetting some
 
@ssube You stink.
 
we did a surprisingly good job of debating this without being total twatsicles this time
2
 
mmm twatsicle
 
@Trasiva No way in hell active duty foot-soldiers use M16s
Maybe to row a canoe
 
4:18 PM
@Zirak Standard issue for us. True story.
 
That's because Loktar isn't here @ssube lol
He's super pro Trump n gun
I can argue without being mad
 
@Trasiva I don't have a standard loadout, as I don't carry. But I have an AR-15 and .45 Heckler and Koch
 
@SterlingArcher right, that's the part I'm high fiving people about
 
Also a great guy and we shouldnt be talking about him on a convo behind his back.
 
4:19 PM
@Trasiva Here they're only used for the lowest level cadets and for people with the minimum training when they're guarding a bunch of sand bags
 
@rlemon oh that wasn't meant to be an insult, I'm 95% on his side
He's very passionate
@Loktar not an insult! ^
 
@Zirak hey that sounds like us
 
@Trasiva but sometimes I carry a few bricks of C4 in case traffic is bad.
 
M4s are better, but really? Nothing fancier?
 
Not for the average troop.
 
4:20 PM
@Luggage you could just drive a BMW and make sure traffic will be bad. :D
@Zirak bear in mind, those aren't just exactly the same M16 as they had in 'nam, afaik.
 
Lok isn't the one who gets mad, people arguing with him get mad because they misunderstand his passion
 
why are m4s better?
 
@Luggage It's like a barbie for military. It comes with all sorts of accessories.
 
it's a pretty revision-heavy model of gun
 
ah, right.
I'd like my rifle to be shorter and less accurate, please.
and look awesome
 
4:22 PM
I always laugh at the assholes who're usings ACOGs on them though. It's a fucking assault rifle you dummy. Point, three round burst, repeat.
 
@ssube Aside from very minor improvements, it's pretty much the same shit. Even if it wasn't, the shortest one is impractical for most modern combat situations, it's riddled with potential flaws and defects unless you maintain it heavily
 
@Trasiva I think I'm going to add an ACOG to my pellet rifle, cause the current RDS isn't enough. and maybe another laser.
and a foregrip
and a stick
 
Lol... I own a .22, and have only shot old war guns or shotguns. Unless I travelled I can never shoot an assault rifle.
Looks fun at the range on YouTube
 
@Zirak Hey, hey. It's not my fault that Colt has been mass producing that thing since like...1994 and hasn't improved the production process. Almost like...there's a reason they're going bankrupt.
 
@Trasiva Wasn't there a super fancy MK-something-something, or is that only for the marines or the elite units?
 
4:24 PM
why improve when you have a military contract?
 
@Zirak You're talking about the M39 I think.
 
@rlemon I really enjoy shooting .22 and smaller at paper/clay targets
 
@ssube ammo is cheap for target shooting.
 
@Zirak the MK16 is a thing and I believe the marines use it
 
The Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle (SCAR) is a gas-operated (short-stroke gas piston) self-loading rifle with a rotating bolt and a firing rate of 625 rounds/min. It is constructed to be extremely modular, including barrel change to switch between calibers. The rifle was developed by FN Herstal (FNH) for the United States Special Operations Command (SOCOM) to satisfy the requirements of the SCAR competition. This family of rifles consist of two main types. The SCAR-L, for "light", is chambered in the 5.56×45mm NATO cartridge and the SCAR-H, for "heavy", fires 7.62×51mm NATO. Both...
 
4:24 PM
So my grandfather gave my bro and I one
 
Oh, the SCAR
 
best gun in Crysis 2
 
Yea, that's not handed out like candy.
 
But they have always been in his gun safe. 2 hour drive away.
 
@rlemon I keep a pellet trap in the basement. Those are almost free.
 
4:26 PM
looks like the 6.5mm from Arma 3, a bit.
 
@Zirak I was Air Force, so that wasn't something they handed us, lol.
 
That makes sense. Did you at least get the shorter versions of the M16?
 
the M15
 
Or did you have to waddle around with the colossus?
 
@ssube I had an air rifle in the house. But I never kept air cartridges with me. So it never got used.
 
4:27 PM
@Zirak I only had an M9. I didn't leave the wire for the short time I was there.
 
Sold it
 
oh, this is a pump-up type one
 
The scar is so expensive but an amazing rifle
 
I got it off Amazon :P
 
hella accurate
 
4:27 PM
Ohh I had one of those too, buddy gave it to me and had sawed it off
.
 
@Zirak First night I was in theater though, the CRAM went off, and I about shit myself 'cause I wasn't sure what the fuck was going on.
 
You could shoot a bb point blank at your hand and. Nothing.
 
with a RDS and laser and stuff
oh, this one will dent thin steel plate
oh, that's the wrong one, mine isn't semi auto
 
Yea mine was shit. The air rifle was legit, but the bb gun was a joke.
 
4:29 PM
@Trasiva haha
 
grown up super soaker
 
tacticool pump-up bolt action pellet gun ftw :P
that and the kitchen knives get very well hidden at parties
 
@Zirak I wish I'd have actually done an Air Force deployment though, felt bad that most my friends actually did.
 
keeping your enemies closer, huh?
 
@ssube why would you hide them for LAN parties
 
4:30 PM
@rlemon Clearly you never had Counter Strike LAN parties.
 
Ohh.. people parties... I don't have those. :(
 
@rlemon I'd remove them from the house entirely at a LAN party.
 
gamers know how to find things
 
I've never been to a LAN party that wasn't a bunch of really creepy folks.
tbf, I've been to like 2
 
we used to play CS during lunch in HS
3h lunch breaks ftw
 
4:32 PM
We had a LAN party with two computers.
Not many of my friends wernt poor
 
anyone played with nerf rival?
 
We used to go to this place downtown that was a gaming lab basically. You paid for computer time, and then you could play any of the games that were installed. CS was the popular one.
 
playing fps with 0 ping is great
 
We'd play homm or ja
 
LAN centers are due for a comeback.
 
4:34 PM
Then UO was discovered and all other games were not important
 
doubtful
 
@Trasiva That's one thing I'd want to do if I was in Japan.
 
CS:S or CS:GO gun game is usually fun
but UT99 and Q3A are definitely the best
 
@KendallFrey Oh, go to one of the public gaming places?
 
Yeah a cybercafe
 
4:35 PM
Do your research beforehand.
 
@KendallFrey get your ass whooped in sc??
 
I used to love the 20p arcade machines
 
They're apparently really popular in Asia
 
golden axe etc
 
SC was more popular in Korea, iirc
 
4:35 PM
'cause the two I went to were fucking awful. They were basically live versions of the Southpark kids in the WoW episode.
 
@rlemon That's not saying much, I've never even seen it
 
I'm not sure they showered.
@KendallFrey Play @Cerbrus sometime in SC. He stomped @Loktar and I working togther.
 
!!afk
 
Play me in KSP bro
 
let's set up a KSP vs league
 
4:36 PM
@SterlingArcher I don't actually get mad
 
I was never very good in SC mp
 
mad prizes and cut throat competition
for spaaaaaaaaaace
 
@ssube League? As in LoL?
 
I can out Kerbal you with one booster tied behind my back.
 
@Trasiva no, like a competitive league for KSP
 
4:37 PM
I can outkerbal you with no boosters
 
@Loktar I worded it horribly -- people who debate you get mad
You don't
 
lol yeah I don't take any offense at all
I mean to what you said :p
 
the best defense is a strong offense
 
You can't win with 0 so that may be true.
 
You can on QI
 
4:39 PM
@ssube I don't have KSP so...you win!
 
no, you lose, by not being able to play KSP
 
@ssube Fucking hell man, I've been grinding Giants 5 all morning with my energy, and I still only got like...30 fucking points.
 
@Trasiva SC?
 
@Cerbrus I meant to ping @Cereal, my bad.
 
Ah :P
 
4:44 PM
sc2 is one of the most stressful games i've played
 
I still havent bought SC2: LoV
 
Project Fi
oops
 
@tereško I highly recommend it. Prepare for some gut wrenching though.
 
I have skyrim
and about 80 unplayed games in steam
 
In React would you set a selected value on a radio input within JSX or use didCmponentM?
 
4:49 PM
The ending leaves some questions, but man, such a great story across the entire SC2 saga.
 
@Luggage ksp is life
 
@tereško 80?!
 
@Loktar has 1,600 unplayed games
 
shit is it that high?
 
just checked
 
4:53 PM
in fairness a chunk I've played in the past just not on steam
but... maybe like 300 at most lol
 
so, 1300?
:P
 
and that's just on steam :/
 
not bad, 68 unplayed for me
 
I have so many physical I still haven't played
 
@FlorianMargaine emacsgifs.github.io
Also, hi
 
4:54 PM
most of the games I haven't played are due to bundles.
 
and various other digital sites bleh
 
games I have no interest in playing
but they came with the others
 
yea
 
@SuperUberDuper jsx, of course
 
I have a good chunk of those as well
73% unplayed
that's not bad, I was at 76% for a while
 
4:55 PM
31% unplayed
I should scope out my library and see if any look interesting now
 
which on mine is like 22 games per percentage point
 
I only have 2 games in rotation right now, BF1 and Rocket League.
 
I want to get down to 50% one day
 
yea, you have 10X the number of games I do
 
@Waxi I have like 5 games, that I dont intend to play
everything else is interesting
 
4:57 PM
@Zirak hi
 
my current rotation is BF1, Overwatch, Warhammer Total War, (Darkest Dungeon pxvita), (Rigs PS4)
 
user1596138
@Loktar 73% of your library is unplayed?
 
user1596138
Give me your login
 
@tereško you need to get on Bastion soon
 
lol
 
user1596138
4:58 PM
I'll play them lmao
 
1000x better than transistor
 
user1596138
Dude that's like a dream, getting @Loktars Steam login
 
@rlemon for sure
 
@rlemon I have already played it illegally
 
I actually hate Transistor
played it for like 10 mins and was like meh
 
user1596138
4:58 PM
You'd have like every game ever
 
@tereško ahh, well okay then you know already
great game
 
@Jhawins eh I've slowed down a lot :/
in buying them I mean
 
@rlemon .. and better OST
 
pretty much fill up on gog now haha
 
@Jhawins Someone else in here apparently has like 1,500 games...crazyness.
 
4:59 PM
Who?
Where is my other steam brethren
 
Oh shit...that might have been you lol.
 

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