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2:00 PM
@JoeWatkins can you add me to sudoers on nevis so I can tcpdump please?
 
sure
done
 
@DaveRandom wouldn't it be better to dump directly on router? then you see both internal and external communication?
 
probably but I cba figuring out how to do that
regardless, I just want to see if the SYNs are getting through the NAT
 
@DaveRandom cba = can't be arsed?
 
the route may lie about that
@bwoebi y
@JoeWatkins any idea what my password on nevis would be? I don't think I set one yet
 
2:04 PM
you don't need one
 
sudo asks for one
oh no I just needed a new session @JoeWatkins
 
yeah
 
yeah, that
 
Right yes the SYNs are getting through
and it's sending SYNs back
they just aren't getting back to me
I imagine this is because it's sending them back down the wrong WAN
ohhhhhhh right
that's why it always works on the first connection I try after the asus is rebooted
OK
There's a fucky NAT setting somewhere
 
/me awaits instr
 
2:08 PM
can I get back on the router config again?
there must be a setting somewhere
 
sure, one sec
 
that can't be by design
 
logged out
 
k I'm in
 
@Ocramius I think I give up. Just found bug from 2005 with that strem wrapper classes bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=34823&thanks=6
 
2:15 PM
@brzuchal you touched it, you own it ...
 
hah
 
Wondering if it is very hard to fix.
Does fixing bugs is the same way as RFC's through PR's?
 
just opening a pr will do it ... no need for rfc
 
Well I always wanted to do something for PHP not just instantly complaining on it.
I'll give a try
 
good for you :)
(and us, if you fix it)
 
2:20 PM
Well I am aware this may be a nightmare. But can give it a try
 
@Pete ok thx :-)
 
Ideally if there were new redesigned io
 
Guys i have very interesting problem, i have simply function who gets from mysql for example category name when i run it on site, loading page is very slow but if i take out mysql query and put it on while load speed is fast where could be a problem?
 
Or just some interface for thise stream wrappers
 
@JoeWatkins you there? I got booted
 
2:23 PM
I'm here
 
OK can you check what the WAN IPs are now?
they may have changed I guess
 
p: 109.158.188.78
s: 86.171.124.155
/me logs out
 
Anyone here know about the youtube API (specifically uploading videos), preferred languages PHP, or Python?
 
I need to give a time estimate on a coding project, and I'm not entirely sure how long it'll take me because I need to write a class that I have a vague grasp of... how long should I estimate...?
maybe a week?
 
@Tiffany Do it like you always do it. Think of the worst case and multiple by two. Multiple that by two again
5
 
user895378
2:26 PM
@Jimbo <3 if you need more than one level of indentation inside a function you're doing it wrong.
 
@PeeHaa I can just imagine what my supervisor will say if I say four weeks, but you're probably accurate.
 
@PeeHaa continue multiplying by two until you run out of your two's :P
 
:D
 
then use three
 
four
 
2:27 PM
@PeeHaa I was trying to work on it last week, but my brain was full of hurt, found out I was sick. >.<
Anyway, morning meeting, that will probably come up...
 
I wouldn't guess at all ...
 
@Tiffany well he's asking for an estimate, if he is complaining then its no longer an estimation but a negotiation
8
 
Tiffany well he's asking for an estimate, if he is complaining then its no longer an estimation but a negotiation
 
/me likes that one
 
2:29 PM
wouldn't negotiate either ...
 
haha
 
@PeeHaa Legit the best way, overestimating and coming in under time is a good thing, the reverse, not so much.
 
s/multiple/multiply *2
 
@DaveRandom gotta get kids from school, afk ~30
 
:P
@JoeWatkins You're doing it wrong
@DaveRandom he's going afk. Shit better be fixed in 30
 
2:38 PM
units tbd
 
:P
 
@Tiffany Well if you're lucky enough that your business is buzzword-oriented, you can throw the old "that's not how Agile works" line
 
strike that, not going anywhere for an hour or so ...
 
@Tiffany just say you don't know, and then give an estimate of how much research you need to do, to scope out the project.
 
^this
 
Anonymous
2:41 PM
^
 
Anonymous
back off Joe..
 
I'm not above beating a 12 year old @Jay
 
hehehehe
 
Anonymous
:P
 
2:49 PM
That little problem with Agile... http://www.commitstrip.com/2017/01/09/that-little-problem-with-agile/ https://t.co/mC39twQOxQ
 
I'm stupid. I spent 30 minutes on "why is my div so small? I gave it a height of 800px". Actually was width:800px.
Humanity will be better if I give up programming
 
@JoeWatkins HELO :-)
 
Anonymous
@Trucy If God was real, i'd say he made the same mistake with me.
 
Now everything is as it should be, an once again I am in harmony with time and space themselves. I see the endless cycle of life, and death. Of creation, and destruction. Of the beginning, and the end.
@JayIsTooCommon "Alright so let's create Mr. Jayis Toocommon. lol let's fuck up his mind so he'll be a bad programmer lol"
 
@Trucy i hope you aren't working at Tesla, programming cars or something?
 
2:57 PM
@Rovak rofl!
 
Anonymous
@Trucy :D
 
@Leigh we're like a couple rungs below Agile. I think we tried some portions of Agile ONCE, and it didn't go over well because it turned into exact same morning meeting we have every Tuesday.
 
@Rovak If I were working at Tesla, I would say that my AI strives to have a human-like driving style
 
not to be racist, but hopefully that doesn't include any asian woman drivers?
 
@Danack I've done that, she still asks for a estimate. I tend to just throw a number to a wall, and hope I make it. If I don't, I throw another number, and try to make that. This went on for three months on one project.
 
2:59 PM
@Rovak If I want some bad human driving, I'd use my SO driving skills (which is not chinese)
@Tiffany You're saying that just saying "WE'RE AGILE NOW" isn't enough?
(also, relevant tweet of PHP CEO about AGILE and messing up with people's tasklists)
 
@Trucy I question why my brain exists. I have ADHD, bipolar disorder, and I'm prone to migraines. It's common for people with ADHD to have insomnia (coupled with the racing thoughts from bipolar disorder, it's a party). Lack of sleep causes a migraine.
I can only conclude my brain hates itself
 
@Tiffany I also did that at my previous job. The worst is when the code base is fubar so even with experience you can't give an estimate more accurate than "between 2 days and never"
 
@Trucy I don't think my supervisor has heard of Agile, to be honest.
 
@Tiffany My SO has problems with their brain too :( I don't know exactly what, but it often induces depression and social anxiety
(also sudden crisis like "YOU'RE MAD AT ME AREN'T YOU?")
@Tiffany You're lucky.
 
@Trucy If I were to armchair psychologist, sounds like bipolar disorder. Really, the defining characteristic is racing thoughts.
Like I have a thought, but I can't keep up with the train.
 
3:04 PM
well @JoeWatkins I would personally just replace that asus with a draytek, which I know can deal with this shit with no issues. Because I can see what's happening but I have no clue how to resolve it. Failing that you need a DD-WRT superuser.
 
because it's moving faster than I can comprehend and make sense of it
 
which I am not
 
primary is disconnected/down ?
 
Yeh I know I didn't touch it this time
I was just looking at netstat
how much did you pay for that thing? (and can you return it?)
 
@Tiffany I don't think they have a bipolar disorder. It's more like constant depression with some peaks
 
3:06 PM
2nd hand, 40 quid or something
 
ugh
 
(was the other day, number in chat logs, something like that)
 
oh is it Fab's old one?
 
Anonymous
it was £40, I remember making fun
 
no, got it on the island ... was going to buy the same one from shops because it's the only one on shelf I could determine supported this ...
 
3:07 PM
@Trucy could be bipolar 2, which is basically milder bipolar disorder. Hypomanic episodes with depressive episodes. Also worth noting, it's different for everyone.
@Trucy I have moments where I feel like I can take on the world and do everything I need to do, which are the "hypomanic" episodes. Then I bounce back and realize I was wrong, then just mope about for a few days. Repeat ad infinitum.
 
Anonymous
!!dad
 
Why does Snoop Dogg carry an umbrella? Fo' drizzle.
 
if you would be prepared to fork out yet again
However I'm very certain that will do what you want
I know draytek inside out
 
@Tiffany I really don't know what they have, but they're consulting a psychiatrist and take medication
 
!!reminders
 
3:09 PM
Registered reminders are:
• @⁠DaveRandom http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/33706606#33706606 → Id: :33706826 → Saturday, 29th April 2017 12:01 (UTC) - Set by Gordon - Seconds left: 8801467
 
@Trucy That's good then. Best first step.
 
@Tiffany also, there, there :D
 
Do I remember correct that @Joe used days w/ reminder and it just worked okay?
Also, o/ all
 
@Trucy My psychiatrist was who diagnosed me with it, so hopefully something comes from it. It's worth noting that antidepressants can negatively affect bipolar disorder, BUT I still take one. So... shrug
 
3:11 PM
@Tiffany they were born with it, so it's been a long first step :D (and the only step they can take afaik. Well, living with me made things better)
 
@Trucy Ahhh, bipolar usually comes out in the teen years, so probably not it then. Hopefully. Bipolar disorder is weird.
 
@Tiffany ouch :( good luck on your therapy though :)
 
@Tiffany That sounds suspiciously like what I have
But I can usually force it
That is, keep on working even when I don't feel like taking on the world.
 
@Trucy Thanks. 😀 I'll leave you with this, in case your SO see similarities. Might be worth bringing up to their psychiatrist.
@MadaraUchiha I personally love the manic moments. I'm productive.
 
@Trucy Not as uncommon as you might think. Although I'm off the meds now, really didn't help.
 
3:14 PM
@Tiffany Yeah, so I'm extra productive on those moments, but I can usually force a fair level of productiveness even when I'm not there
 
also, @MadaraUchiha finally watching Naruto Shippuden without filler. FINALLY enjoying the show again. Just finished where Sasuke takes out Itachi.
 
@Tiffany 😀
 
@Tiffany I sent them the link, thanks!
 
Ugh, the damn plugin I have for chat doesn't show emoticons... 😬 It shows little boxes instead
 
@Tiffany Which OS?
Windows 10 does them natively
 
3:15 PM
@MadaraUchiha Windows 7
 
Oh btw @MadaraUchiha , how do you have a dark theme on chat.SO? Greasemonkey/client-side plugin or is there a hidden setting?
 
just tried switching from light theme to dark theme to see if that might be the problem, but nope
 
rlemon's theme I bet
 
@Trucy Plugin
 
@Ekin Correct.
One of the better ones IMO
It's not just a theme too
 
3:16 PM
@Leigh A friend of mine has bipolar disorder. When he's fine everything is alright, but when he was depressed, it was ugly…
 
hmmmm
 
I don't know if all those mental issues are a product of the time we live in
Or we have better diagnostic tools
 
wait, the plugin would have converted my emoticons to something else in UTF, which is why they wouldn't show up now. argh.
 
Or a bit of both
 
@Trucy I don't get hypermanic episodes, but I can swing the other way pretty badly. It got to the point where on medication I felt like I wasn't me any more, so I stopped and decided to just deal with it.
 
3:18 PM
@Tiffany They do show
Your browser/OS doesn't handle Unicode chars gracefully
 
:(
 
I see them just fine
💯
 
@MadaraUchiha Thanks, but unfortunately I use firefox :( and from what I saw, there isn't a plugin for it :((
 
I nkow you do
I saw that one!
wtf!
 
@Trucy you're in pretty good company here. Tech is rife with mental illness, and I like to think we're quite open about it - here especially - Joe even wrote a piece on it blog.krakjoe.ninja/2016/09/me-et-mentis-morbum.html
 
3:20 PM
😃 😛 😀 😬 😞 😋 😒 😐 💯 👍 👎 🆗
 
When I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, I started noticing my change in moods. And I realized it was because of bipolar disorder. The diagnosis made me more upset because I felt like I was broken. It took me several months to get over that
@MadaraUchiha imgur.com/a/fLwZI
 
@Tiffany So basically, some show but others don't.
 
@Leigh nice to read that [you're quite open about it here]. But yeah, the IT world is full of """"""""bizzarre"""""""" people
 
@MadaraUchiha Yup.
@Trucy ;)
@Trucy For all my mental issues, I wouldn't have myself any other way. Except maybe the part where my ADHD can cause migraines. That's a load of bullshit.
Literally my brain fucking with itself
 
@Tiffany When I learned that my SO had mental issues, I thought they were looking for a way to get rid of this issue. But they said that "It's a part of me, no way I'm getting rid of it"
 
3:23 PM
Welp, TypeScript issue solved, ticket for them opened, I'm happy.
 
@MadaraUchiha I understand now why you say Madara is basically a god, but at least where the point I'm at... fuck him with a rusty rake.
 
That was the day I understood people with mental issues
 
@Tiffany Trust me, you do not understand.
Also, why? 😛
 
@DaveRandom can't bring up line 1 :(
 
@Trucy Glad you realise that, so many people don't
 
3:25 PM
@MadaraUchiha He's trying to destroy the world. His idea of bringing peace to the world is destroy the one they have already to build a new one.
 
Sounds pretty good to me Tiff :)
 
@JoeWatkins well that's weird, have you got sync on the tpl?
 
@Tiffany That's not exactly true, but close enough.
 
But there are people trying to bring peace to the current world, and aren't far from succeeding
 
@Leigh From what I understood, it's not to us to adapt to the society, but the other way around
 
3:26 PM
@Tiffany To understand where that is coming from, you'll have to understand Madara's backstory
 
@Trucy :D I have another article for you
@Trucy If I can find it
 
Line Status:
Connected

DSL Modulation Type:
VDSL2

Annex Type:
Annex A/L
 
Which is brilliantly written in my opinion, until his character was butchered in favor of a faster ending
Due to budget cuts and deadlines
 
(disclaimer: afaik I'm not subject to any mental issue, apart from probable prosopagnosia (disability to recognise faces))
(but I'm not what society would consider "normal")
 
Aug  1 01:01:53 pppd[791]: Timeout waiting for PADO packets
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Aug  1 01:04:23 pppd[791]: Timeout waiting for PADO packets
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@DaveRandom
 
3:28 PM
The main problem is that they were given a neurotypical owner's manual at birth. It works for everyone else, not for them. The article mainly applies to ADHD, but the some of the same ideas can be applied to other disorders too.
 
@MadaraUchiha @Tiffany since when do I not get to join that discussion? :D
 
Does anyone have any experience with uploading videos via the YouTube API? (Could be in Python aswell as PHP)
 
@Naruto Heh
 
@Tiffany Thanks, I'll read it at home
 
you know.. you being bad and stuff :D
 
3:29 PM
@Tiffany I think that too many people have this association where "mental issues" === "crazy"
 
@Naruto I'm at the part where Naruto is still trying to find Sasuke, after he beat Itachi. Left off where Tobi is telling Sasuke that Itachi loved him and Sasuke is freaking out.
 
Whereas I'm fairly sure that every single human alive has some sort of mental issue to some degree
 
@kelunik At that point the substr call probably isn't necessary, since it should be comparing entire paths anyway.
 
@MadaraUchiha yeah. :( It's the reason why it took me so long to seek help. I didn't want to be seen as crazy. I thought I could work through my problems myself and be fine. I realized how wrong I was.
 
@Tiffany you mean where I beat Itachi? And you have along road to go ^^
 
3:30 PM
@Trowski Doesn't it show the complete path instead of a relative one?
 
@Naruto No, you are not Sasuke
 
@kelunik you've turned purple
 
Anonymous
@MadaraUchiha the former imo
 
ow, I misread the sentence
 
@MadaraUchiha some disorders are on a spectrum. ADHD has a spectrum, autism has a spectrum, those are the two I know of, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are spectrums for other disorders too
 
3:31 PM
@DaveRandom BT doesn't like all the reboots
 
@PaulCrovella Yes, switched to the identicon, that's the real one.
 
@kelunik That's my point, I think it's comparing complete paths.
 
@JayIsTooCommon I mean, I remember I saw all those posts about "Pokemon Go helped me with my social anxiety/depression/whatever"
 
hello
 
And I can't help but think that "Well, maybe you should get out more... if that what helps you...."
 
3:32 PM
hello
 
@kelunik Which means you could also use in_array.
 
Warning: mysql_num_rows() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in
 
@Trowski Nevermind, yes, as __DIR__ returns the complete path.
 
i have that warring what is means
 
@PrashantBhatt well stop using mysql_* :)
 
3:32 PM
@Trowski Even better, isset, I'll improve the patch.
 
@JoeWatkins ugh
 
@Naruto so what i have to use in that
 
@PrashantBhatt I'm guessing resource is an object (someone will have to correct me if I'm wrong) and you're sending a boolean, that is true/false.
Have you googled the warning yet?
 
if($aa = mysql_num_rows($deleteRes) == 0)
 
@Tiffany Nope, used to be an actual resource, like a file handle
 
3:34 PM
@PrashantBhatt PDO or mysqli_*
 
@Leigh Ahhhh, so like something in $FILE?
 
Standard error, query failed, got false, didn't check return of query, directly passed it into another func
 
@Tiffany No, like var_dump(fopen("/tmp/x", "rw"));
 
@Tiffany sorry its like that if(mysql_num_rows($deleteRes) == 0)
 
3:36 PM
resource(5) of type (stream)
 
!!> var_dump(fopen("/tmp/x", "rw"));
 
[ 5.6.0 - 5.6.29, 7.0.0 - 7.1.0 ] Warning: fopen(/tmp/x): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /in/UhTbu on line 1 bool(false)
[ hhvm-3.13.2 ] Warning: No such file or directory in /in/UhTbu on line 1 bool(false)
 
that's a chroot environment :)
 
Anonymous
@MadaraUchiha aye, that's probably a factor - when you compare the amount of time spent indoors now to previous etc..
 
@Leigh I don't know what that is. o_o
 
Anonymous
3:37 PM
@MadaraUchiha Is that theme made to be better for your eyes or just 'coz it looks cool' ?
 
@Tiffany Uhh, in the most basic sense, it's an isolation mechanism to prevent a process accessing parts of the filesystem you don't want it to
 
@JayIsTooCommon There are a couple studies that have been done comparing people with ADHD and people without ADHD. The hypothesis is that people with ADHD derived from a "hunter-gatherer" lifestyle, and never adapted to agrarian.
@JayIsTooCommon I can't remember what the outcome of the study was, but it's interesting to consider.
 
$files = [
  dirname(__DIR__, 3) . \DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR . "vendor" . \DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR . "autoload.php",
  dirname(__DIR__, 5) . \DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR . "autoload.php",
];

foreach ($files as $file) {
  foreach (\get_included_files() as $path) {
    if ($path === $file) {
      self::$autoloadPath = $path;
      return;
    }
  }
}
 
@Leigh I see.
 
^ @Trowski We can also use a isset, as order doesn't matter I think, if we only use the included files anyway.
 
3:40 PM
@kelunik Your gravatar changed...
You didn't used to be purple...
 
8 mins ago, by kelunik
@PaulCrovella Yes, switched to the identicon, that's the real one.
 
Anonymous
@Tiffany i.e. natural instincts not fitting in with an un-natural world ?
 
I'm fashionably late
 
No idea why it was ever pink, that's my real identicon.
I never had it enabled, usually I have my normal avatar, the pink one is just some SO bug.
 
I never saw the pink one
 
3:42 PM
Changed it back to the Gravatar now, let's see if it works then.
 
@kelunik You should have to use in_array, since you don't know the key from get_included_files.
 
@JayIsTooCommon Essentially.
The hunter vs. farmer hypothesis is a theory about the origin of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) first suggested by radio host Thom Hartmann in his book Attention Deficit Disorder: a Different Perception. The theory states that ADHD has its origins in an adaptation of members of hunter-gatherer societies in response to the rise of farming societies. Hartmann developed the idea first as a mental model after his own son was diagnosed with ADHD, stating, "It's not hard science, and was never intended to be." However, more recent molecular and clinical research has given support to...
 
!!docs in_array
 
[ in_array() ] Checks if a value exists in an array
 
@Trowski Yes, if I do it that way round, yes. Wanted to keep the foreach for included files and look up the other ones.
!!changelog amphp/parallel
 
3:47 PM
[ parallel ] [ 3d5e1bc ] Simplify autoload finder - Commited by: Niklas Keller on 17.01.2017 15:46
 
@JayIsTooCommon Worth mentioning if you read the wikipedia article: I was hyperfocused in school. I love to learn, and growing up, I didn't have trouble in class because I was hyperfocused on what the teacher was teaching. I enjoyed it.
It wasn't until "applying" what I know became to be a lot of bullshit that I started losing interest. Still loved to learn, but wasn't as focused as I used to be.
 
@kelunik Great. :D
 
@MadaraUchiha Thanks for the plugin, the code editor is really helpful.
 
@Tiffany I was until around 14, the environment that caused my depression started when I was around 12 though (or at least that's as early as I can trace it to)
Might as well have just dropped out of college
 
3:51 PM
@Leigh Ok, changed back to Gavatar, now I see that pink thing again...
 
@kelunik I never saw a pink thing, always a blacky greeny swirl
 
you're back to normal here
 
Anonymous
@kelunik I presume the theme is better for your eyes too
 
@JayIsTooCommon Not sure whether I'll keep it.
I generally like light interfaces more except for coding / terminals.
Ok, seems like it's back to normal now, changed it on Gravatar to the previous avatar, which is exactly the same.
 
3:55 PM
@Leigh I moved across country from one state to another. There were several other factors, but that's around when it started for me. I was about 10.
 
@Danack that systemantics book is indeed a great one, I'm enjoying, thanks.
 
The realization that I still love to learn didn't come to the surface again until I was in college, heh.
 
@Ekin unfortunately, it's far too relevant to my current company.
 
@Danack in which way?
 
All of them?
 
3:59 PM
Oh well
 

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