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12:00 PM
War is about as pointless as trying to dereference a null pointer.
it only begets more war.
 
@TonyTheLion: Yet it happens to all of us!
 
@wilx it is instigated by those who profit from it.
 
@TonyTheLion null pointer dereferences?
 
@TonyTheLion I can't tell you the details of that, hm... Let's just say we compare our drivers to others, and that sometimes involves running tests. And if the they break...
 
@jalf what?
 
12:01 PM
I wish this test framework was tested.
 
@TonyTheLion: I mean the NULL pointer dereferencing :)
 
@wilx Protracted, open, conventional warfare generates pain, suffering and death. Why not just go with the death?
 
@wilx oh lol.
 
@Mysticial ¬_¬ is it me, or has no-one actually answered this every one, including you, have got caught up in his algorithm. As shit as it may be, that is a moot point.
 
@MartinJames: Because bad life is better than no life at all.
 
12:01 PM
@MartinJames Because that choice is not available.
 
Kill everyone on the planet all problems solved forever
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It's cheaper, quicker and is a few warheads into nuclear disarmament.
 
@MartinJames what
 
Cat is has dramatic, yet "workable" solutions :P
 
Insert YT from Wargames
 
12:02 PM
I'm sorry, are you trolling? Are you really that clueless?
 
Trolls are always trolling.
you should know that by now Mr. Penguin
 
> know by know
 
I have to admit that there is a trolling element, yes, but I'm still waiting for an alternative solution to that shit in Pyongyang.
 
It takes more than "a few warheads" to reduce a country to rubble (and making sure you kill everyone), and you won't eliminate much pain and suffering if you do that. You will also affect the rest of the world quite strongly by detonating that many nukes (both environmentally and socially)
 
12:04 PM
Tough it out? They will not act. They do want to live as well.
 
@MartinJames the alternative to "keep an eye on them and use the threat of attack to keep them in line", which so far has actually worked, is "ensure worldwide apocalypse"? Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with that logic
 
Maybe we should all go to Pyongyang and figure this shit out? :P
 
Also, while we are discussing Warheads, I'd like to ask about CMake
 
You can go but you can never leave~
 
Hot or not?
 
12:06 PM
Does an assignment operator for a class A have to return A&?
 
@TonyTheLion pyongyang is a pretty cool name
 
it should, but is not required to
 
I thought it didn't, but the standard says it does.
 
@jalf erm...
 
12:06 PM
@BartekBanachewicz that's what I thought.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No
 
@LuchianGrigore hmm
 
user142019
Atoms in Erlang are not garbage-collected. :L
 
@CatPlusPlus alternative?
 
"The assignment operator (=) and the compound assignment operators all group right-to-left. All require a
modifiable lvalue as their left operand and return an lvalue referring to the left operand."
 
12:06 PM
@BartekBanachewicz terrible just like every other build system, but also the least terrible I know of if you need something that works well for multiple platforms
 
SCons, waf
 
user142019
Waf owns.
 
Shake
 
Zoidberg: Enters a nuclear war discussion, talks about Erlang Atoms.
 
@jalf I've had enough of DPRK being paid to not develop a huge army and then doing it anyway. I've had enough of DPRK being paid to not develop nuclear weapons and then doing it anyway. So, the solution is to 'tough it out' and pay them to not to go to war?
 
12:07 PM
SCons... let me google that
 
@MartinJames: Yes, any other alternative is IMHO worse for most.
 
> SCons has switched to Mercurial and Bitbucket
 
@MartinJames who paid them anything? Who is proposing to pay them for anything? And what does it have to do with anything what you have had enough of? I'm pretty sure "I've had enough" is not a legitimate excuse for worldwide destruction
 
Anything that's not based around make
 
I don't care what it is, really
I just want it to build my shit on Linux and Mac OS
 
12:08 PM
@CatPlusPlus You know CMake isn't "based around make", right? (it's possible I misunderstood your comment)
 
@jalf It's probably not just me :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz: If you have shit then you should flush it down the toilet instead.
 
@jalf Generates makefiles
 
@MartinJames So "we have had enough" is a reason to make the planet uninhabitable?
@MartinJames What the fuck is wrong with you?
 
@CatPlusPlus so SCons requires only python?
 
12:09 PM
Yes, waf too
 
@jalf The planet uninhabitable? What?
 
Just one question. Why is it that you think NK deserves to be wiped out, but you do not? You are the one saying "hey, the best plan is to destroy our planet"
 
@jalf Couldn't you say that half an hour ago and save us this discussion
 
@MartinJames Once again, how many nukes do you think it takes to literally wipe out a country?
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh, when you said "waf" i thought you were insulting me
 
12:10 PM
I sort of doubt there has been more money funneled to NK than to the bailout for some EU states. NK money are probably peanuts compared to that.
(Just my WAG.)
 
@MartinJames How much effect do you think that detonating such a number of nukes would have on the rest of the planet? (Hint: a lot)
 
@jalf I have some computers. I have no nuclear weapons. I have some kitchen knives, but I'm not threatening anyone with them!
 
@wilx I'm pretty sure they're heavily embargoed. What is this money being funneled to them of which you speak?
 
@jalf: They have been given some food etc. help over the years.
 
@MartinJames But you want to kill far more people than they do. You do not currently have the means, no, but shouldn't we make sure that doesn't happen in the future either?
 
12:12 PM
@jalf Einwetok etc. is full of craters. We're all still here.
 
@wilx sure, but like you said, that's peanuts, and certainly isn't very helpful to the regime at the top. They are not "being paid" to do anything. On the contrary
 
> For researchers and build system writers, Waf is also a framework for creating custom build systems.
meta much.
 
@MartinJames Right, so I'll go with the "dumb" explanation, rather than the troll one?
 
Hahahah, it's still the NK discussion.
 
@jalf Let's face it, there is a strong probability that it will not. Also, if you wait a couple weeks, my customers may take me out anyway.
 
12:15 PM
@MartinJames So you're saying that because a number of nuclear test detonations have been performed on a 5km^2 area located in the middle of an ocean, we should be able to wipe 120,000km^2 off the map with no adverse effects on neighboring countries or the rest of the world?
 
Detonating nuclear weapons to prevent nuclear weapons being detonated... What?
It's like using singletons in protest to singletons.
 
@jalf No. Pyongyang, the nuclear development site, couple other cities and military sites should do it. No need to use nukes to kill peasant farmers and replace ploughing with high-yield detonations.
 
@MartinJames well, I also think there's a strong probability that North Korea will not launch any nukes either. What would they gain by doing so? Unless they invent a net to catch incoming nukes for reuse, it's a losing proposition for them
 
"peasant farmers" - mmm. are there urban farmers too?
 
@MartinJames You said you wanted to reduce the country to radioactive rubble, didn't you? You also said that that was the only way to leave the country in a stable state
 
12:20 PM
@jalf Maybe you took me too literally, or I was a bit too OTT with the nuking description :)
 
Selectively nuking known "trouble spots" while leaving the rest of the country alone is pretty much a guarantee that the country will be looking far worse 10 years from now. And what if you miss a few military sites? What if some survive the bombs at the known sites?
@MartinJames No, I took that part seriously because it was the only logical connection between what you wanted t o do and what you wanted to achieve
The only reason you provided for why nuking the country would be a good thing is that it would be left as a pile of radioactive rubble, and so there would be no upheaval, no retaliation, no chaos
Now you're saying "let's leave most of the country standing", which negates that supposed advantage
 
Does anybody know if something like an "annotated C++11 standard" exists? I was thinking of creating an application or website where one could browse the standard and get links to examples or Q&A on SO where the relevant paragraphs are used. I tried a quick search but couldn't find anything, so before starting to put some effort, I thought of asking if you guys have seen something similar
 
So now you're saying that the only logical connection between your paranoid outlook, your insane willingness to carry out genocide, and the dream utopia you want to achieve by these means, is severed?
Right...
That makes it all better
 
@AndyProwl annotated = ? The only medium in usage is in practice n3485.pdf
 
@jalf It's absolutely not a good thing. Also, the chances of of me starting a nuclear war with West Ham because I hate their football team is a lot less than Kim having a bad warmongering day and opening fire.
 
@MartinJames Has he done that so far? And do you think it would count as "a bad warmongering day" if we did attack him? By your own logic, do you think that could conceivably make him open fire?
 
@AndyProwl cpprerefence.com seems in the right direction for me
 
@BartekBanachewicz Commented, enriched, explained in easier terms. With links from paragraphs of the standard to examples where those paragraphs are involved
 
@AndyProwl oh, I don't know. I mean, there are "reference-style" books, of course. And cppreference.com.
 
I think I'm done here. Honestly, you scare me more than Kim does. I have more faith in his self-preservation instinct than yours. I don't think he's going to nuke the world unless the world shoots first. With you, I'm not so sure. I'm just glad he is the one with access to WMDs, rather than you
 
12:25 PM
'your insane willingness to carry out genocide'. No. What I said was that it's the only way that war could provide a solution. So far, no other workable solution has been put forward other than 'wait and see what the nutcase-with-nukes will do next'.
@jalf Again - I don't have any nuclear weapons and I'm not threatening anyone.
 
@MartinJames Yes, and now you're backing away from that solution. The entire premise for your solution was "there would be no one left to retailiate"
@MartinJames That's what I'm saying. I'm thankful for that, because if you did, you'd be a greater threat than he is
 
@sehe cppreference is more like a reference manual. Given a function or a class or anything I could get some examples. What I'm thinking of is something a bit different. For instance given rule 13.3.3/1, I want to have (say) a set of examples where the third bullet of that rule applies. And so on
 
@AndyProwl That sounds like a nice idea. Beware of copyright status of the source material, though.
 
@jalf Wot? 'cos of some blog posts?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Who holds it?
 
user1357851
12:27 PM
How can I remove onebox for youtube
 
@DomagojPandža ISO?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've never really thought about copyright on C++. I always see it as a gift to humanity. :D
 
how do I check if CC=... CXX=... has actually changed the compilers used?
 
@DomagojPandža ISO C++ paper isn't free
 
@Telkitty don't post it?
 
12:27 PM
@MartinJames Well, because you are saying "wiping out a country would be the best solution". And because you seemingly don't care about the consequences for yourself or for the rest of the planet
 
@DeadMG why it shouldn't?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you also have the feeling that there's nothing like that around yet?
 
@DomagojPandža Languages are not copyrightable but the text of the standard is.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Do I know? I just want to check.
 
@MartinJames Wait Kim Yong Il has a Blog?! <stupefied/>
 
user1357851
12:28 PM
@sehe obviously if I wasn't going to post it I wouldn't be asking you the question would I?
 
@jalf Wiping out a country is the only military solution that has ever worked consistently. So far, no other solution has been suggested, apart from 'do nothing'.
 
@DeadMG mhmm isn't make loggin them for you?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So how about the standard quotes we put on SO?
 
@sehe Not now - he's dead.
 
@Telkitty I don't know. You said "how can I remove" - this presumes it is already there. So in all likelihood you are seeing a oneboxed thing I don't see
 
12:29 PM
@AndyProwl Fair use?
 
@BartekBanachewicz no
 
@MartinJames fyi what jalf is saying is "you're crazy"
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hth
 
@MartinJames When was the last time it worked, consistently or otherwise?
 
@DomagojPandža How do you define "fair use"?
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh, I know that :)
 
12:30 PM
@AndyProwl Ask a lawyer
 
@AndyProwl Maybe @R.MartinhoFernandes can pinch in on this. I'm not really good at legal stuff.
 
Quotes are not a violation of copyright at least in sane systems
 
@DeadMG I mean, when you do $ make it should print all the actuall commands executed, if you aren't using hyphen before them
 
@AndyProwl Commentary, criticism, and teaching count as fair use.
 
As long as attributed properly
 
12:31 PM
@BartekBanachewicz It's a makefile.
 
Xeo
-fno-assume-sane-operator-new
    Don’t assume that the C++’s new operator is sane.

    This option tells the compiler to do not assume that C++’s global new operator will always return a pointer that does not alias any other pointer when the function returns.
Clang compiler option
 
@CatPlusPlus Ok, I will. I haven't even started coding and I already have to close the laptop and go to my lawyer :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess that could classify as "teaching" or "commentary". But, well, I'll find out. Thank you
 
Fair use is defined by law not random people on Internet
Therefore ask a lawyer
 
12:32 PM
@Xeo and how useful is that?
 
@CatPlusPlus So, random people who can make other random people shoot/arrest you?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Mo clue
I just found it interesting
 
@CatPlusPlus Ok, thank you for the advice
 
@AndyProwl Amount of used material matters too. Dunno which threshold would be acceptable, but I'm pretty sure using the whole thing isn't.
 
user1357851
@sehe I was going to post this 'lovely' game I saw on the youtube today. But I don't want to disturb any conversations
 
12:33 PM
@MartinJames so far, "do nothing" actually works. Before replacing it with a "solution" which most likely won't work (and where you seem very dismissive of the multiple reasons why it won't work), you'll need to establish a strong likelihood that the current approach won't keep working.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Makes sense
 
@BartekBanachewicz -f, huh?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG specify the makefile
 
@jalf Has that solution ever failed?
 
Xeo
Otherwise, make just looks for Makefile and various case variants of that, IIRC.
 
12:34 PM
+-f file, --file=file, --makefile=FILE
Use file as a makefile.
 
@Telkitty Well, just say: "Look here: bladibla/watch?dhajskhdjkahsd";
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It really confuses me, though. We can make compilers which are "binary replicas" of the standard and sell them freely and yet we can't quote the text of the standard. :D
 
oh, right, but make already finds the right makefile
 
@jalf Germany/Japan was pretty well wiped out, quite recently.
 
@DeadMG aaaand it should output what it is doing
 
12:35 PM
@MartinJames Has it ever succeeded? Was Germany neutralized when it was picked clean after WW1? Are Iraq and Afghanistan any less of a threat today than before they were invaded? How about North Korea? Did the Korean War turn them into a peaceful country?
 
@BartekBanachewicz It does, but not in that format at all.
 
@DeadMG show some logs, maybe
 
And who is ISO, basically. International Organization for Standardization? It's international cooperation, copyright almost doesn't make sense.
 
there are logs?
 
It's not like I am an expert with make though :/
 
user1357851
12:36 PM
Oh yes: youtube.com/watch?v=AtvglJQsI5w <- almost like mario but with better energy food
 
I hate legal stuff.
 
maybe when it's done making, I will simply do CC --version
 
@MartinJames Germany was wiped out, which led to WW2. Following WW2 they were quite notably not wiped out, which kept the peace. Japan was on the brink of surrender already, and quite importantly, was not led by an insane dictator with nothing to lose. It was also not in any way "wiped out". A few hundred thousand people were killed
 
@jalf Those countries, (or what was left of them), were not taken over.
 
> #region Comment Abusments
> AddCommentAbusement
 
12:37 PM
@DomagojPandža As I said, programming languages are not copyrightable (this was tested before in courts). The ideas that the text describes cannot be copyrighted, only the document itself.
 
@MartinJames mainly because we just didn't have the resources to do so...
 
@jalf Nearly all major cites were reduced to smouldering rubbish by firebombing/HE. That's pretty much wiped out.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This begs the question, why copyright the text? Can they make profit off it? Is that what supports ISO as an organization?
 
@DomagojPandža Yes.
 
12:38 PM
They sell them to national bodies
That's why it costs 500€ or something like that
 
@MartinJames which didn't cause them to stop fighting.... So much for your theory... ;)
And that was with a sane national leader, during an actual conventional war in which they were the aggressor. I'm sure you'd get better results by attacking an insane dictator
 
Ah, worldly governments make nice customers. That makes sense.
 
@jalf I'm pretty sure that they did stop fighting.
 
Ahoy
 
> ISO is a voluntary organization whose members are recognized authorities on standards, each one representing one country. The bulk of the work of ISO is done by the 2,700 technical committees, subcommittees, and working groups. Each committee and subcommittee is headed by a Secretariat from one of the member organizations.
Seems quite headless.
 
12:40 PM
@MartinJames because their cities were firebombed? I'm sure the pilot dropping those nukes would've loved to know about that.
 
@jalf I must watch those hitler parodies again..
 
Can someone explain to me why it took me 5 seconds to locate the C++ Daisy lounge ?
:p
 
I'm using her as a tool to try and get Google to offer me a decent job
 
Because you're a scrub that doesn't keep the tab opened and pinned
 
@jalf Oh, I'm pretty sure that the crews knew that.
 
12:41 PM
@CatPlusPlus: Guilty.
 
@CatPlusPlus Words of wisdom.
 
user1357851
@ereOn umm u r slow? :p
 
user1357851
took me 1.5 sec
 
@MartinJames knew that Japan had already stopped fighting?
 
Also if you know a way to keep tabs opened across different computers, I'll take it !
 
12:41 PM
@ereOn Chrome can do that.
 
@Telkitty Actually, took me 1.4 s. I'm just a liar.
 
@ereOn The cosh spelling error got boring, and there were Daisy pics.
 
@DeadMG Along with sessions ? Seems nice.
 
user1357851
I saw those avatars I knew .. those tarts can't come up with a better name :x
 
(Also a bit scary)
 
12:42 PM
@DomagojPandža It does not need a head; it's not a for-profit organization.
 
@jalf No, knew that many japanese cites were already finished.
 
@MartinJames Which is completely irrelevant
 
Cities don't kill people.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The logistics of it scare me. :D
 
Your claim was that their cities being finished had already caused Japan to give up and stop fighting
 
12:43 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes In Stargate Atlantis, they do.
 
@jalf You brought it up!
 
user1357851
speak of which C# is like C++ with hand written ++ overlapping each other
 
@Telkitty: That's indeed the only difference I can think of.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, they do. In wars of attrition between industrialized nations.
 
If you keep this up, googling North Korea will reference just the Lounge<Daisy> transcript.
 
12:44 PM
@jalf Let me back up a bit..
 
You've already established quite clearly that you don't have the foggiest clue about military history, international politics or what actually happens when you detonate a nuke, but could you please at least make an effort to keep your internal logic consistent? Even if your premises are absurd, at least stick with them
 
And the one guy with internet access in North Korea will take offence and kill DeadMG's dog.
And then he'll be out of a job at Google.
 
@MartinJames Yeah, about 10 years, preferably. We can continue this some time around the 2023 timeframe, then?
 
@rlemon I have to ask, have you heard "Suit & Tie" from his new release?
 
@jalf Yeah, OK. As long as we're still here, and can find the lounge, (presumably, named after Daisy's puppies puppies by then).
 
12:46 PM
@jalf When you detonate a nuke, everything in a perfectly spherical region centered on the nuke is vaporised. Everyone knows that.
 
Xeo
O hai, one casper.
 
Wait, casperOne came here to reply to a message from two weeks ago?
 
Xeo
Crazy old men, just like the ape.
 
I thought only the grumpy ape does* that.
 
@DomagojPandža To be honest, he does it with style.
 
12:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think both jalf an I know there's a bit more to it than spherical vapourization, (which would not happen anyway except in homogenous surroundings).
 
Xeo
13 messages moved to bin
 
when will those people learn?
 
Oh disregard what I've said, my advice only applies for people that knows what they're doing.
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@Telkitty ..because it was there :)
 
@Xeo Now you all look like idiots.
 
Xeo
12:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I should bin that too, eh
 
user1357851
@MartinJames where? I search for daisy I got this: images.wikia.com/mario/images/8/82/Daisy_-_MP8_2.png
 
Also being in Boost doesn't automatically make the library good
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes meh, usual
 
@Telkitty ..because it was there :)
 
ARGH UBUNTU, Y U NO NUMPAD? :(
 
Xeo
12:54 PM
Welp, there goes.
 
WTF now? If anything has to be nuked, can it please start with my ISP?
 
It's always funny when the flight attendant says "we know you have a choice of airlines" as if free will exists.
 
Xeo
I wonder how relocating message blocks plays out with messages from users you have plonked.
 
@Xeo Now I look like an idiot.
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Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Keikaku dori.
 
12:56 PM
Deutsch, bitte.
 
Xeo
Es verlief alles nach keikaku. (Übersetzungshinweis: 'keikaku' bedeutet 'Plan')
(No, you likely won't get this. Even if you knew German.)
 
Judging from the unending editing, you don't know German either :P
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Typos
 
guys, honestly
who whould want to profile operator+
 
@Xeo You are correct on all counts. Translation, (no, not into japanese/korean/whatever).
 
12:58 PM
stackoverflow.com/a/15293939/298479 - it's C but i think this answer need some more downvotes
 
Xeo
@MartinJames "Everything according to keikaku. (TL note: 'keikaku' means 'plan')"
 
We're being invaded by smurfs
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Xeo
@ThiefMaster How the fuck did that ever get to +5.
 
And down it goes
 
@ThiefMaster Oh gosh, yes, it does. Where the heck did the upvotes come from.
 
12:59 PM
@ThiefMaster maybe he just typoed?
 
Xeo
Nutjobs everywhere.
 

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