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11:00 AM
but the odd bark doesn't bother us.
it's only when she barks continuously for long periods
 
@DomagojPandža when was teh last time that worked?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Smart dog.
 
@DomagojPandža Also, they do have functioning nuclear explosives, even if it's not a parallel to our own nuclear arsenals just yet.
 
@jalf I think this is the only one that I actually can back. If I recall correctly, other countries are not openly threatening nuclear war?
 
So we can talk about Daisy here?
 
11:01 AM
@Washu the washing up liquid? yes!
 
@DeadMG I'm just pleased their delivery system sucks.
 
@DomagojPandža I'm not talking about whether it's morally or ethically sound, but whether what you're suggesting has ever actually solved the problem it was intended to solve
 
Now if only they accidentally detonated one and did us all a favour.
 
@thecoshman ohh.. i though you meant my ex gf
 
@DomagojPandža I don't think that'll be a permanent problem for them.
 
11:02 AM
Wow - it takes time to catch up the threads this early. So Daisy is not an independent nuclear power?
 
@Washu then definately no :P
 
@StackedCrooked The other thing is, she really doesn't have a problem with it- she likes having her bark collar on (for some reason we have yet to fathom).
@MartinJames No.
 
@DeadMG she's into BD clearly
 
> I have a queer sort of problem.
lol
 
11:03 AM
You take a country which has been filled to the brink with propaganda about how evil the rest of the world is, and then you invade them. I'm sure that'll make everyone there much happier and more trusting of us. You take a dictatorship with no history of democracy, and kill their dictator. What are the odds that the country's elite will then say "ok, this dictatorship thing was kind of a bad idea. Let's hold an election"?
 
@DomagojPandža You'd have to remove the brainwashed military too
 
@jalf I understand what you're trying to say, I agree. Violence just brews more violence. But this is escalating fast. And I'd rather be able to discuss this with you for the next 10 years rather than get blown up by a lousy nuclear weapon of NK origin.
 
@thecoshman Black Dragons?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is that easier for you to handle?
 
OH SHIT
Thanks for the reply. But I have to disagree with: "Singletons suck in the most horrific fashion". If you really understand design patterns and specifically the Singleton, you will know that it can drastically improve your code quality, object creation and unviversal access of an object. — goocreations 40 mins ago
 
11:04 AM
@DomagojPandža Sure, but do you think that attacking them would defuse that threat?
 
@DeadMG source?
 
@DomagojPandža Don't worry, they won't bother with Croatia. :P
 
backup plix
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't mind being at ground zero. Radioactive clouds from other countries kill much slower. :P
@jalf Well, the homeless hobo will still attack everything in sight, but I'd feel much better if they took the shiv from him and means to make it again.
 
Suffer! The! Pain!
You pay us money, you get what you deserve!
Or something?
 
11:06 AM
Is there an other option? I don't know, they're not really susceptible to a reasonable discussion.
 
@DeadMG I wrote a comment
 
@sehe We'll see about that in three minutes. Apparently I'm not the first one here to have this kind of problem.
Understand the Singleton!
 
I want Kim to fire his nuke at me - I'll be happy to supply the coordinates. The bunker near the stream on the 8th at Uttoxeter course needs digging out.
 
:Not to be confused with the anti-nuclear Plowshares Movement. Project Plowshare was the overall United States term for the development of techniques to use nuclear explosives for peaceful construction purposes. The phrase was coined in 1961, taken from Isaiah 2:3–5 ("And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more"). It was the US portion of what are called Peaceful Nuclear Explosions (PNE). There...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There was this Project Orion in the 1950s, but we signed a treaty against using nuclear devices in space.
 
11:09 AM
@goocreations If using singleton improves your code quality, it must have really been terrible earlier. — Bartek Banachewicz 1 min ago
^ I consider flagging that, @BartekBanachewicz
It's funny, but not constructive and potentially offensive
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shit! A three-minute warning! I gotta hide under the stairs.
 
@DomagojPandža I think Plowshare is sillier.
 
It was a propulsion method for achieving a decent percentage of the speed of light. Wrong approach, though.
 
@sehe how is that offensive? o.O
 
@MartinJames got a few years worth of rations?
 
11:10 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Think, for 3 seconds. Don't play the fool. It won't work on me
 
@DomagojPandža Ah, found it: Project Oilsand is even sillier.
 
Polar Bear won't be fooled today.
 
@thecoshman No, but the freezer is under the stairs, and the beer stack. We'd have a massive party before we died.
 
"Let's blow up a hundred nukes to make oil!"
 
@sehe I don't really get what's so terrible in this. I mean, there are worse mistakes than singletons.
I can take it down if you feel so strongly, buy I honestly don't understand it.
 
11:12 AM
@BartekBanachewicz You're not making any sense. I'm not discussing singletons. I'm drawing your attention to your comment. And how it is not constructive, and more suited for chat.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes howcoulditgowrong.jpg
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't believe you. But whatever
 
@sehe what... Did you just accuse me of directly lying to you?
 
@DomagojPandža Seriously, there are silly movie plots that pale in comparison to Plowshare and Oilsand.
 
WTF is with Lounge<Daisy>?
 
11:13 AM
"Let's widen the Panama Canal by blowing nukes in it!"
 
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬ who do you think
 
> I hear everyone talking about how multi-threading can improve performance. I don't believe this, unless there is something I'm missing
@thecoshman I was being silly.
also, lol at quote
 
What could be sillier than that?
I'll take a shot.
Nuclear exploding whale!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Could you please look at your comment and the things I'm saying. Perhaps you're just failing to do both of these things, in which case, I think you might not be lying. I don't actually care which it is. It is both annoying.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah... yeah that could work
 
11:14 AM
Nukular Whale!
 
@TonyTheLion 3-15 cores, probably :)
 
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Q: C++0x Designated Initializers

MahdiI could find a way to do Designated Initializers in C++0x with only one member initializing. Is there a way for multiple member initializing ? public struct Point3D { Point3D(float x,y) : X_(x) {} float X; }; I want : public struct Point3D { Point3D(float x,y,z) : X_(x), Y_(y), Z_...

 
Xeo
@sehe I have to admit, I don't see the problem either. Why don't you just explain what was problematic with the original comment? Why would it be "potentially offensive"?
 
@Xeo It adds nothing to the discussion. All it does is cast aspersions on the other poster.
 
I've already taken it down.
 
11:16 AM
@Xeo I already explained:
7 mins ago, by sehe
^ I consider flagging that, @BartekBanachewicz
It's funny, but not constructive and potentially offensive
 
Xeo
@sehe No, you have not explained the "Why would it be "potentially offensive"?" part, unless I overlooked it.
 
> "It /might be/ funny, but A not constructive and B potentially offensive
 
Actually, I get that Bartek was joking, but it could be seen as offensive. Well, potentially offensive means it could hurt someone's feelings. :P
 
@Xeo I don't need to, really. Also, isn't the first part enough?
 
Bartek casts Aspersions! It's not very effective.
 
11:18 AM
Brilliant star material
 
@sehe I just wish you didn't threat me with flagging at the first sight :<
 
And while it is okay here, when a nameless user of singletons is made fun of, it might not be okay to make fun of a certain, specific individual.
 
Woot, got licenses working again...
Now my code crashes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh. So that's what this is about then? Well blimey. Sorry for letting you know. Next time, I'll just flag it.
 
Xeo
@DomagojPandža Yeah, like we never make fun of any specific individual ever in here.
 
11:19 AM
@Xeo :$
 
@DomagojPandža I actually didn't mean to point it to any individual. Maybe I phrased it wrong. I wanted to say "Code that is improved by using singletons must have really sucked before"
 
@DomagojPandža But not necessarily in the comment thread at said person's question. :)
 
I use singletons. Go nuts.
 
I love chat for this
 
@sehe ... that is not funny at all.
 
11:19 AM
@Xeo in here :)
 
Woah, what the heck is going on here?
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not supposed to be/
Honestly. "I just wish you didn't threaten" - well, that's not what I did. I let you know respectfully that I thought the comment was out of place.
 
I have never understood the thing anyway. If I want one thing, I create one thing and never create another. maybe it's just me?
 
@MartinJames Mostly spot on. Yes. The rest is fake "security" with a lot of costs
 
@sehe you did it in a way that might me want to hide from sight here, and if that was the intent, then fuck it you succeeded.
good day.
 
Xeo
11:22 AM
Welp, time to build and install Clang once again...
 
Sehe didn't mean anything bad by it, Bartek. Really.
 
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/7583825#7583825
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=7583826#7583826
 
He's actually trying to help out, because singletons are funny here. But there are too many singleton lovers on SO.
It would cause a political shitstorm if some singleton fan caught wind of it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz If I flag it, the effect will be the same, but it could harm your standing on SO (I actually don't really know). Your choice.
 
user142019
struct message {
    string text;
    bool flagged; // pun intended
};
 
Xeo
11:25 AM
@Zoidberg Should be flagged_flag :P
 
I still haven't got over the 'Doubleton' post from a few days ago :)
 
Doubleton, that's like going full retard?
 
user142019
Fred posted a question about a generic N-ton base class.
 
I often use single instance globals, but I wouldn't call them 'singletons'. They only have invariant data and thread-safe methods.
 
11:31 AM
Usually, global state should be avoided where possible, but it's not that bad. Singletons don't suck simply because of the fact there is a single instance of it. It's a whole list of shit that ensues.
But almost always, there's a better way. It's the people who don't give it a second thought who are actually shitty.
 
@DomagojPandža Yeah - that's what I thought. My SIGs have things like object pools, logger methods - stuff that I want everything to use and use nothing else.
 
@DomagojPandža Sure, but that's basically just pie-in-the-sky "I wish this was an ideal world". The question remains, what is the safest/fastest/most reliable way to take the shiv away? Is it to spend years antagonizing the hobo and putting him in a situation where he has no reason not to use it? Is it to kill the hobo, ignoring the line of replacement hobos standing ready behind him to take over?
 
user142019
@MartinJames then why put them in a class.
 
user142019
Just make free functions.
 
Hmmm, pie.
 
user142019
11:35 AM
And perhaps a namespace.
 
user142019
(Unless you need pre- and/or post-main code to run of course.)
 
@Zoidberg No thanks.
 
user142019
Why not? Because they're not "OOP"?
 
@jalf Agreed. But I must ask, how are we antagonizing them? They are in a weird place as it is, by their own choices.
 
@DomagojPandža You were talking about invading. Attacking a country is probably something most people would consider to be "antagonizing"
 
11:38 AM
@jalf Yes, as a response to threats of a nuclear scorched earth approach. :D
 
Why do you join in discussions about singletons
Do you like pain
 
@DomagojPandža Yes, and...? Do you think that makes NK's leaders go "oh well, that's fair then"?
 
Pain of reading sentences oozing with stupid
 
@jalf Of course not, but they still don't have a working delivery system. Why wait until they can make good on their threats?
I have a really bad feeling that someone is going to get fucked by NK.
And it's nice to know that Croatia is a backwater country.
 
@DomagojPandža what if they get one two months from now, when they're under attack? And again, what would the invasion solve? How would it eliminate the threat in the long term? Have we made Iraq or Afghanistan more peaceful and less likely to spawn future threats?
 
11:41 AM
¬_¬ and here we a see a prime example of what chat was intended to prevent — thecoshman 12 secs ago
 
@Zoidberg It's .. just.. no! Thre's stuff in there. Method pointers. Stuff that communicates with other stuff. Inter-thread comms. Don't want a pile of gobals to support free functions - I just know it will go wrong.
 
I am not a great believer in human reason, so I don't see approaches void of future threats. They will always come. Currently, all I'd advise is to eliminate current threats.
But if you come up with something, I'd sure love to hear it. :D
 
user142019
Having a single-instance class with non-static data members and non-static member functions is no different from having a namespace with globals and free functions.
 
s/eliminate/inescapably provoke/
 
@DomagojPandža But you haven't proposed a way to eliminate current threats safely. What you're talking about might eliminate a threat, and it might make matters a lot worse
 
11:44 AM
Can we move all the singletons to Pyongyang and fix all these problems with one stone?
 
@DomagojPandža like any other dictator, NK's leader wants to live. There are more than a few nukes pointed at NK already. So no, they're not going to attack Croatia.
 
@Zoidberg I do not argue that you are wrong. I guess a SIG works for me :)
 
user142019
@MartinJames s/singletons/singletons and their authors/
 
True, true. Though I find it sad to see the oldest law still holds:

People are only peaceful because there's a giant gun pointing at their head.
 
@DomagojPandža Not only, but it is one way to ensure peace, yes
And perhaps that might keep the peace until other mechanisms can be applied to normalize the country
 
11:46 AM
@Zoidberg Being an instance of a class makes it easier to replace for testing, which kind of mitigates some of the commonly cited disadvantages of those approaches.
 
Or perhaps not
 
Nah, that's too lame.
 
I'm just saying that attacking a country is at best hugely expensive, takes years, and leaves the country in chaos and very very vulnerable to new dictators, new terrorist groups, new hate-mongering and new propaganda, and pretty much has a success rate of 0% when it comes to avoiding war
 
So can we stop talking about NK?
@CatPlusPlus the only reason to get steam. I love that game.
 
11:49 AM
@jalf Isn't that tautological?
 
@TonyTheLion I hope not, because then I'd have to descend into the web browser madness I'm supposed to be working on..
 
Starting a war has 0% success rate at avoiding wars.
 
@jalf Depends on how you attack it. If you turn DPRK into a pile of radioactive rubble, there will be no chaos, no new terrorist groups, no hate-mongering and no new propaganda, (at least from the rubble, anyway).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's the joke
 
@jalf oh :(
 
11:51 AM
@MartinJames What a great idea
You'd be the best president of earth
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not sure that's technically a tautology. It might be. :)
 
Xeo
@Xeo Yes, I will work. But personally I don't like to use it this way. — Pony279 6 mins ago
sigh
 
@MartinJames "pile of radioactive rubble (...) there will be no chaos"
 
@jalf 'web browser madness' - OK, lets have thermonuclear war instead, (please).
 
@MartinJames but many other countries would suffer from all those effects at a result. Plus, I'm not sure how habitable the rest of our planet would be afterwards... ;)
 
11:52 AM
Hmm, I used (...) to avoid quoting a comma.
 
The upshot of it all is, I was banned from r/pyongyang.
 
The thing is, there is only one way to make war work. You defeat your enemy, take over all their land with your troops, kill everyone else on the land. Now the land is part of your country.
 
@Xeo I thought reinterpret_casts could not be used in constant expressions.
 
That's in Civilisation
 
11:55 AM
@jalf I'm not saying it would be a good thing, only that it might be the least bad thing.
 
Martin's ideas might be radical. But effective. But exchanging one rule of fear by another changes nothing. :D
We must not become a monster, in order to defeat a monster.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hah, true. Maybe it just works because he has it ias *(int*)0, which doesn't involve a cast.
 
@MartinJames sure, if you assume the rest of the world doesn't exist. How many other countries do you think would feel just a wee bit threatened by such an approach? (Heck, how much of your own country's population do you think might just start wondering if their own government is out of control, and perhaps act on that fear?)
 
xx1.o:(.rodata.i+0x0): multiple definition of `i'
Anyway, this sounds like a bug.
 
@jalf All those with crazed, insane dictators in control of nuclear weapons.
 
11:57 AM
Unfortunately the Real World is not the same as the world of programming. Simple solutions do not exist, nuking a country and its innocent albeit brainwashed people is not an acceptable solution however it might seem simple.
 
sigh I need a hug
 
@MartinJames among others, sure. And there are plenty of those. But do you really think those are the only countries that might be affected?
 
@BartekBanachewicz hug <3
 
@wilx Then I argue that there are no acceptable solutions, only a workable solution.
 
@TonyTheLion oh thank you Tony <3
 
11:58 AM
:)
 
I am running tests on iPad 3 and roughly 50% crashes. It's such a painful process. After I did 14902 of them yesteday I thought I'm done with it
 
TBH, the idea of the North Korea's peoples' army with no helmets or bullet proof vests throwing itself at to the teeth armed South Koreans is hilarious.
 
are you a tester or something?
 
hm, not exactly.
 

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