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11:00 PM
@Morwenn Don't sleep now, that would....wait I'm a wasp not a polar bear. Yeah, go ahead and sleep.
 
@JerryCoffin Not sleeping wouldd be a waste of my time :p
 
user1804599
Hmm apparently Fortran 2003 has destructors.
 
Any reason you're on a Fortran binge?
 
@Mikhail You're hoping for reasoning from Rightfold? Seriously?
 
allegedly serious
 
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11:12 PM
@Mikhail I am interested in learning Fortran.
 
user1804599
Until now I've been using it as a "C with decent arrays".
 
user1804599
Fucking shit
 
user1804599
 
ScY
11:30 PM
@rightfold Ok, that's actually amazing!
 
@Telkitty impossible because of the weight limits
 
there is a weight limit?
we need to conduct studies on fat people in spaceships
 
@Telkitty why're you into fat so much?
 
unfortunately you are the one who has been mentioning it
 
11:44 PM
Any racism experts here? Is "illegal immigrant" a new race? Why is that U.S. deporting migrants stuff is considered "racism"?
lightness?
^ related to the previous topic
 
just fluffy
 
@Telkitty thanks for your expert opinion
 
@Abyx illegal immigrant isn't a new race, or any race at all. Some people in the media are just idiots.
 
^ big if true
 
@Abyx depends whether it's from earth or out of the space
 
11:50 PM
@Abyx Illegal immigrants pretty much means Mexicans.
 
@Abyx Because a lot of these people were de-facto Americans, and de-jure Americans at the local government level (states), and many people considered them American. The hypothesis is that the only reason you'd want to get rid of them is if you were racist. Especially true of well integrated illegal immigrants who are now going to college in the USA...
 
if you have a spaceship load of aliens land in trump's backyard ...
 
@Abyx It's generally assumed that the illegal immigrants are typically of a different race from those who advocate deporting them, and that said advocacy is less about enforcing the law than just racism in disguise. That's undoubtedly true in at least some cases--and equally certainly false in others. There's room for a lot of question about where the majority really falls.
 
truth is it's an awkward situation as they are illegal immigrants for sure, but since as far as I know they also almost uniformly are of a particular race, there's a clear potential for both outright racism and straight objectivity.
 
wow so many racism experts here
 
11:52 PM
@Mikhail the reason the were deported is because they were not de-facto Americans, or de-jure americans at all. To be a citizen of a state you must be a citizen of the federal government in the USA. That argument was settled back in the 1800's
 
@johnathon You can obtain various certifications from states without being a legal immigrant. Many of them even pay taxes! Their kids go to school for example.
 
truth is
I feel that illegal immigrant hating is mostly about racism because objectively, there's not much evidence they actually cause any harm at all, and indeed bring many benefits
there's a reason why the US government turns a blind eye in many places where it could crack down harder
 
@Mikhail paying taxes in a location doesn't necessarily mean your a citizen. It mearly means that your taking part of a system such as education
 
@Puppy the law is the law and they're breaking it, period.
 
@Abyx I'm not really an expert on racism itself--but living almost within walking distance of the US/Mexico border, it's hard to avoid learning a lot about the rhetoric related to the issue.
 
11:54 PM
@Abyx That's certainly not true.
 
@Puppy it is true.
 
@Puppy which part?
 
well, it's really the implicit part whereby anybody actually gives a shit about that
 
@johnathon Yeah, they obviously aren't citizens, but on a de-jure level they are registered and tracked by many government organizations. Especially in the last two decades, this group has become increasingly integrated into the social fabric. You can get a California driver's license and be illegal.
 
see above
 
11:56 PM
@Mikhail yes, but we aren't on the traditional dutch system of immigration, where one is assimilated into a society. Perhaps we should be, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess eh?
 
whilst it's technically true that they may be illegal, it's also clearly true that they bring many, many benefits and a lot of the United States people, organizations, and even government flat out turn a blind eye
 
@Puppy, @Mikhail, look, most of drug users are not harmful. Yet drugs are forbidden in many places
 
@Abyx Drugs may be forbidden, but only stupid places send drug users to prison instead of rehab.
 
same goes for prostitution, and other not-so-harmful illegal activities
 
wtf happened to this conversion?
 
11:57 PM
and plenty of drugs like tobacco and alcohol are inexplicably still legal.
also I think that prostitution is legal in many places now, such as Germany
 
@Puppy do you drink?
 
in Britain I believe it is technically legal but illegal to advertise it or something
 
I don't think so.
I'd have to check
 
@johnathon No, but my reasons are mostly personal
I would however definitely ban binge drinking
 
@Puppy doesn't really matter what happens to them. Government takes some action against it, that's the point.
 
11:59 PM
I wonder how cheap you could order a billion breathalyzers
 
a billion * breathalyzers cost - bulk discount
 
@Abyx No, it's really not the point. They didn't take action against it. At all.
 
@Puppy ARE YOU MUSLIM?!!!1
 
@Puppy and that's the point of TRUMP
 

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