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12:00 AM
lagrange.mechse.illinois.edu/f90_mod_deps/f90_mod_deps.py seems like something that should be used.
Whatever happened to the UNIX philosophy. Do one thing, do it well.
 
@StackedCrooked not the one from the releases page.
The header from the releases should have everything in it
That's not the same as the one in the repo
 
I ended up downloading v1.0.0 and that one seemed to work.
 
@Xeo I use pass now.
I use the OpenKeychain app for the Yubikey/GPG stuff
And there's a pass app too
 
Xeo
ah, so for Android it's through NFC?
 
@sehe What's better than doing one thing well? Doing multiple things well!
simple logic
 
12:11 AM
Except that modern build systems come encrusted in layers of old shit :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes ISTR it didn't interact with the clipboard very smartly?
 
I'm trying out pydroid, an offline python ide with pip support and a terminal and some other stuff I suppose
It has a debugger and can do graphics with kivy and sdl2
 
Ell
on a tablet? :O
 
No ads which is great just 1 upfront payment
Of 2 eur
 
Ell
cheap as chips
 
@sehe I love that piece, too, haven't got around playing it yet, though.
And why do you think the tempo is remarkably slow?
 
12:18 AM
@BogdanMarginean Does it have Fortran support?
 
It comes with a fortan compiler that it says here it uses to compile native libs or sth I'm no expert @sehe
Neat I can now not go to bed on time
I wanted to try that PuLP example i posted here ages ago
But it crashes when the solver attempts to spawn a child process (i think)
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Alright, time for KonoSuba and Evil Loli
 
1
Q: PuLP Linux Exec Format error

user3637771When trying to run PuLP using Geany with Python 2.7, I get the following error. Any ideas how I can solve it? Using ubuntu on a samsung chromebook. Traceback (most recent call last): File "Assign1Q2.py", line 104, in <module> prob.solve() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/PuLP...

Same as here
 
@Xeo hf :P
 
Xeo
KonoSuba already starting quite exquisitely
literally
 
12:32 AM
@Xeo sigh Are you watching Hentai again
 
Xeo
yes
 
me too, it's great
I don't even have post-orgasm remorse anymore
8
I just don't give a fuck
 
@NicholasJohnson Hi
 
Xeo
12:48 AM
Ohey, Evil Loli has an opening for once
 
My comment on meta about implementing geographic flow control on the C++ tag has received overwhelmingly negative feedback.
 
And now meta thinks you're a racist Trump supporter?
 
The hilarious thing is that flow control from IP destinations is almost required on modern web service deployments. For example, I worked in academic publishing and we would get an insane amount of low quality solicitations, guess how we solved our problem?
 
By being racist? :P:P:P
 
If a computer algorithm does it, is it racist?
Or rather if the algorithm becomes racist is it my fault?
 
1:01 AM
 
@Mikhail That's risky business. Remember that in the end the judge decides.
If you get sued, that is. :P
It was cold today.
Oh wait. That's wrong. It was lukewarm.
 
Just fucking implement flow control at a fine granularity. It might end up that college towns are fucking with stack overflow question quality.
 
"flow control" instantly makes me think of TCP
 
good
Might be good if more people from this room contributed their thoughts:
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/344471/314290
 
Xeo
mmmh, Evil Loli delivering carnage of the highest degree cc @StackedCrooked @Mysticial
 
1:08 AM
I think I'm about 5 episodes behind on that.
 
Yep :)
 
Xeo
And both OP and ED
noice
The songs are great
and the imagery in the ED too
 
It's all good.
Not many good anime this season unfortunately :(
 
Xeo
I got 4 on my list, 2 others are highly praised by friends
Youjo Senki, KonoSuba 2, Demi-chan, Little Witch Academia (Monday when?) from my side
 
Kuzu no Honkai is supposed to be good.
 
Xeo
1:10 AM
ACCA and Kobayashi-san chi no Maid Dragon from friends
 
But it's kinda cringy too.
 
@StackedCrooked The latest episode made me rage - a lot.
 
@Xeo ACCA is really good.
 
Xeo
Kuzo no Honkai sounded like silly drama, so I skipped that
 
@Mysticial I did not yet manage to completely finish ep 1.
@Xeo I like Kobayashi-san chi no Maid Dragon.
 
Xeo
1:13 AM
too yuri for me
 
Also it briefly showed python source code on a computer monitor.
That was funny because I was taking a python course at the time..
@Xeo you haven't even seen it :P
 
Xeo
I know Tooru is hitting very hard on Kobayashi, so yeah, that's enough for me :P
 
Definitely check out ACCA though. It has this drawing style that reminds me of old anime. But it's really stylish.
 
Xeo
what's it about?
 
Erm. Hard to explain.
Maybe check the MAL synopsis.
It's this internal agent who checks on other government agents for corruption. So I've seen a few episodes of him doing just that. He's totally a good guy. Yet he's being suspected to plan a coup d'etat. Which sounds ridiculous. But yet, it's also mysterious..
It's weird. I need to see more!
 
Xeo
1:22 AM
Watashi, ki ni narimasu!
That's what you sounded like :D
 
news love trump, even though they claim that they hate him - every day a new drama
reality drama show: president of the states!
 
user1804599
1:40 AM
SUBROUTINE feed(buffer, interval, now, value)
    REAL, INTENT(INOUT), DIMENSION(:) :: buffer
    REAL, INTENT(IN) :: interval, now, value
    INTEGER :: bin
    IF (0 .LE. now .AND. now .LE. interval) THEN
        bin = 1 + size(buffer) / interval * now
        buffer(bin) = value
    END IF
END SUBROUTINE
 
user1804599
This feels like good.
 
@Telkitty because she was paid
90$ IIRC
a fair price
 
Hey guys
Can you read this can tell me if it's any good? vermillionazure.com/2017/02/26/…
 
In retrospect, female spies are usually very dumb & obedient
 
@rightfold What is that
 
@VermillionAzure why are you asking us here, the code wasn't written in C++ >_<
 
2:42 AM
@VermillionAzure The article didn't catch my attention, maybe embed this grpahic imgur.com/KzLyGAC ddfblog2011.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/recursion-art/…
 
@Mikhail ok.
Good idea! Pictures are good.
@Mikhail But what did you think?
 
@VermillionAzure I'm not a fan of recursion because I haven't felt motivated to use it. There were maybe cases where I have had to convert recursion into parallel CUDA or MPI, and that was no fun. No fun at all. I would be much more interested in reading an article defending and clarifying why I should be using recursion, or where recursion would be a good idea.
 
@Mikhail I think recursive descent parsing and trees are the two usual cases, right?
 
I use recursion when it makes things simpler. But admittedly, it does make certain things harder to optimize.
For example, prefetching the next block is harder to do in a recursion tree than an iteration.
 
Especially if you have recursion + non-delimited continuations
 
2:52 AM
So, I'm much more interested in the present discussion than I am interested in how to better understand recursion. I think first year students also loose motivation to study recursion because it is too theoretical.
 
@Mikhail Yeah, but I don't feel comfortable with it because it's too technical and I don't have the authority to write on something that important
 
You can summarize a research paper in your blog post, for example, one of the many papers explaining the difficulties of parallelizing recursion.
 
@Mikhail That's a plan for later, I suppose. I got a little agrivated because I saw a post of r/learnprogramming that the top answer for "What is recursion" was a link to the web page itself.
 
My main use of recursion is divide-and-conquer algorithms. Those are a bitch to do iteratively.
 
I was TRIGGERED by the dankness
@Mikhail Any recommendations?
 
2:55 AM
Well its tail recursion
 
Tail recursion is not necessarily harder to optimize, if I'm not mistaken?
For simple tail recursion, it's similar to iteration if I understand correctly, as it is in Scheme
 
<insert joke about C#compiler and 32bit>
 
@Mikhail ???
 
80
Q: Why doesn't .NET/C# optimize for tail-call recursion?

ripper234I found this question about which languages optimize tail recursion. Why C# doesn't optimize tail recursion, whenever possible? For a concrete case, why isn't this method optimized into a loop (Visual Studio 2008 32-bit, if that matters)?: private static void Foo(int i) { if (i == 1000000) ...

Actually that isn't the article
MS implemented a bunch of optimizations for 64bit that they didn't marge back into 32bit, memory is a little hazy because it was 2006
 
Interesting
 
3:00 AM
Some discussion:
In CLR 2 the 64-bit JIT focused solely on the ‘easy’ cases. That meant that it generated code that did a tail call whenever it could because of the memory benefits. However, it also meant that sometimes when the IL requested a tail call using the “tail.” instruction prefix, the JIT would not generate a tail call because it wasn’t easy. The 32-bit JIT had a general purpose tail call mechanism that always worked, but wasn’t performant enough to consider it an optimization, so it was only used when the IL requested a tail call.
So maybe it was an optimization that didn't make sense on 32bit.
 
hm
hmmmmm
a bit confusing
 
The real moral is that tail recursion is not only pointless but also has potentially poor performance. This is somewhat magnified when you consider other things like saving the call stack, etc.
 
I mean... Does it have to?
For example, isn't C++ template meta programming a prime example of purity + recursion for good measure?
 
Cost of stack management and confusing the compiler
 
I understand that recursion has problems especially with state, but as a metaprogramming construct I think it may have merit
@Mikhail What about having an explicit recursion primitive in the language? Would that change anything?
e.g. recurse(blah) to make it more explicit
 
3:06 AM
It might but the compiler would need to build two copies of the function.
 
@Mikhail why?
 
In a naive approach the compiler needs to do stack management, at the end of the day the compiler needs to see "beyond" a single call for further optimization. So in the case of C# back in the day, it wasn't able to do this, resulting in under performing code.
 
So I would guess it has to do some sort of control flow mechanism
in order to optimize it completely
 
3:22 AM
Yes, but the essence of the operation is to convert recursion into something that isn't recursion.
 
@Mikhail I think I understand what you mean
 
The truth is that recursion is preferred because for certain things its "easier", but in my work I rarely see it, and when I did I was often the receiving end. I got code from developers who thought they were really fucking clever.
 
@Mikhail I wonder if recursion would get less annoying if it reduced to function overloading on type
What do you think?
 
4:08 AM
Happy sat everyone
Anyone ever split a VHD and VMDK of size +125 GB into 8 GB files a peace? Utility/tool for recommend doing this?
 
4:45 AM
^^ I don't even know if I'm supposed to laugh. Because it's funny.
 
5:12 AM
 
5:24 AM
@Mysticial Great potential for a hilarious feedback effect where people try to reproduce the pdf upload bug on their repos
 
Quick, everyone upload those two PDFs everywhere you can on the internet.
Looks like someone already made a PDF SHA-1 collider that uses the same collision that Google found.
Upload two images, and it gives you two colliding PDFs. lol
 
Bonus points if you take down kernel.org
 
5:45 AM
@VermillionAzure Probably not. PL/I required you to explicitly mark recursive functions. It didn't hurt (much) but didn't really make life a lot better either.
 
6:04 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes you know my stupid habits... but stll it takes more time to fix typos if I don't look at them.. but it only happens at night./
@wilx I called it sex room.the starred chat messages making me believe it is so.. (ex: post-orgasm remorse, fuck me ..I don't have to go deeper. :P.)
 
6:17 AM
@ProblemSlover boy would you have been interested in the starboard a year ago
oh dear
that was a year and a half ago
time does fly
 
Nov 12 '15 at 8:58, by Gregor McGregor
Ow she must have a small penis
 
6:29 AM
I am on a train & two girls sitting behind me are having this 'I have many friends but I only like a few of them' conversation.
good thing about getting on a train from the starting point is that you usually get to select your seat, the bad thing is that you can't choose who you are sitting next to because most of them get on after you ...
@Mikhail I like my pussy, thank you
cute pussy cat, isn't she
 
I see cats as killing machines
 
yes, usually humans prefer predators as pets
 
@milleniumbug So, cats are "okay" but cats with Nicolas Cage's face aren't?
 
only cute predators are allowed here ...
 
6:38 AM
@Mikhail actually I skipped over that cat because plonked
1 message moved to Trash can
please don't take so much screen space
 
FU, keep me plonked plz
 
Recompiled code, weird nullpointer exception went away. Is there a god?
 
@jaggedSpire exactly. That's how I lost virginity here :O
 
You lost your virginity to flying time?
 
Trash can is right place for kitties.
@jaggedSpire give me a break man
 
6:55 AM
Yeah, you're naive to even consider the possibility he lost his virginity!
 
My hens are still virgins
also the wildlife in the backyard are all like XL
 
possibly from being constantly fed
I wonder how fat birds have to be before they can no longer fly
 
7:34 AM
Say Yes and Get powerpoint lol
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ultimate-powerpoint-template-save-hours-your-next-pitch-sadeghpour
it got around 17000 Yes.. I wonder how op gonna keep his promise
 
I miss cat++, when he was here, I could never be the most cynical
 
7:52 AM
@ProblemSlover lol
 
I guess I don't unerstand continuations
 
8:18 AM
CLion supports sea lions
https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2016/04/supporting-sea-lions-an-april-fools-day-joke/
 
8:48 AM
Hey guys I installed eclipse on my macbook fro C/C++, I want to make a Java project now, but this isn't available in the options only C/C++ it seems wrong to me to wholly reinstall eclipse, is there some extension I have to install?
 
@Felix.C Yes,. remove fucking eclipse./ and install Clion and android studio for java
 
Hahah nice answer ;D
 
 
1 hour later…
10:19 AM
> "That time in Seattle--during the lawsuit--was a fucking nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX."
"Well, that's something," Avi says. "Normally those two are mutually exclusive."
Cryptonomicon is full of these nuggets of wisdom.
 
 
1 hour later…
Ven
11:25 AM
wait, @VermillionAzure blogged??
 
user1804599
Good morning!
 
user1804599
:cinge:
 
> I’m tired of seeing THIS as an example of recursion for new programmers.
I like how THIS points to his article
 
user1804599
> Developing Fortran cost IBM $470000.
 
11:29 AM
> “What’s recursion, Vermie?”
and how Vermie can be obtained from Vermiform rather than Vermillion
 
Ven
@BogdanMarginean it probably wants to point to the image
 
@rightfold Annually or since inception?
 
user1804599
@wilx To design and implement the language initially.
 
11:47 AM
@milleniumbug Yeah, I just had the same experience. All I wanted was a runnable jar.
<project>
  <modelVersion>4.0.0</modelVersion>
  <groupId>de.fredoverflow</groupId>
  <artifactId>maven-playground</artifactId>
  <version>0.9</version>
  <build>
    <plugins>
      <plugin>
        <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
        <artifactId>maven-jar-plugin</artifactId>
        <configuration>
          <archive>
            <manifest>
              <mainClass>sandbox.Hello</mainClass>
            </manifest>
          </archive>
        </configuration>
      </plugin>
    </plugins>
8 levels of indentation just for this? :)
 
Ven
pls no spammerino.
 
xml?
 
@fredoverflow Don't be ridiculous. This is because of how XML works. You do not have to indent it or have each scope on different line.
 
sandbox.Hello
lol
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow You should make Scorbut for Fortran.
 
user1804599
11:52 AM
It's like C except array assignment works.
 
user1804599
@Ven What language did you learn the recentest?
 
Ven
@rightfold a golfing stack language called CJam.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Somebody's response to those Swedish government claims: Sweden’s Government Isn’t Entirely Honest | Angry Foreigner /cc @sehe
 
user1804599
@Ven CJ amderson
 
Ven
I did some Common Lisp this morning.
 
user1804599
11:55 AM
Ew
 
Ven
(defmacro defstruct! (name &rest fields)
  (let ((slot-macro-name (intern (format nil "WITH-~:@(~a~)-SLOTS" name))))
    `(progn
       (defstruct ,name ,@fields)
       (defmacro ,slot-macro-name (o &rest body)
         `(with-slots ,',fields ,o ,@body)))))
Macros that generate macros are really nasty-looking.
 
user1804599
Ew languages except Perl that lack types.
 
Ven
but APL :(
also Common Lisp invented gradual typing. A first step...
 
user1804599
APL sucks.
 
user1804599
Fortran ftw.
 
Ven
11:57 AM
?tag youmakemesad
 
not discord
 
@Telkitty What's so funny about a class Hello in a package sandbox in a project playground?
@rightfold Why does C not allow array assignment? Would people confuse it with pointer assignment?
@wilx But this is how it's done everywhere, right?
Oh wait, most of those stem from unrelated projects.
 
@fredoverflow Well, you could have used maven-assembly-plugin instead but the effect is the same.
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow Because arrays decay to pointers.
 
> Build path specifies execution environment J2SE-1.5. There are no JREs installed in the workspace that are strictly compatible with this environment.
Why the fuck is Java 1.5 the default in maven?!
 
user1804599
12:05 PM
@fredoverflow To not break projects that do not explicitly specify a version.
 
@fredoverflow so many layers in a test file
 
<plugin>
  <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
  <artifactId>maven-compiler-plugin</artifactId>
  <configuration>
    <source>1.8</source>
    <target>1.8</target>
  </configuration>
</plugin>
Ah, all warnings gone.
 
Ven
@AldwinCheung difficile de confondre
 
I wish we had such comedy here.
 
 
1 hour later…
1:22 PM
@wilx
This video contains content from Channel 4, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. shit
UK Vpn..
 
@ProblemSlover Too bad.
 
user1804599
Is there a good PDF reader for Windows that isn't 200 EB like Acrobat and can view two pages side-by-side?
 
user1804599
Preferably FOSS.
 
@wilx so I presume you only have the access to old farts :D
 
but fresh ones probably smell even worse :')
 
1:34 PM
@rightfold Evince?
@rightfold Maybe try Sumatra
 
user1804599
Thanks.
 
free / opensource pdf readers are piece of shit.. they have either some ui glitches. and/ performance issues. /
 
@ProblemSlover Is this stemming from some sort of past encounter with a burning PDF reader as well? :)
 
but it's opensource so you can fix it
 
@Telkitty ok..
 
Ell
1:49 PM
@ProblemSlover evince is the best PDF reader I've found
 
@wilx my experience with ubuntiu default pdf reader is horrible .. it works fine with some pdf,.. and just freezing with some others,.,. or loading the page takes forever.. so I end up just by running windows vm which as acrobat pdf reader installed..
 
@ProblemSlover Evince works for me.
 
@wilx huh?
 
@ProblemSlover 3.22.0 here.
 
Ell
3.22.1 here
 
user784668
2:01 PM
@ProblemSlover Holy mother of outdated software, what is this distro?
 
user784668
I run Debian of all things and I could install 3.22.1 if I wanted Evince for some reason.
 
@Fanael upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04 a few months ago
 
@ProblemSlover 16.10 is the current release.
 
@wilx I use lts
 
@ProblemSlover Oh, I see.
 
2:06 PM
I prefer to use LTS*
 
user784668
@ProblemSlover So Ubuntu? My condolences, then.
 
user1804599
@wilx Thanks, this is nice.
 
@Fanael it's fine.. at least vmare runs fine :P
Yet another machine learning tool intended to replace entry level coders :P

https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/23/deepcoder-builds-programs-using-code-it-finds-lying-around
 
3:17 PM
never had problems with this reader so far
 
I just use Firefox to read my PDF files.
 
@Morwenn That's quick and dirty or last resort for me.
 
I generally don't need more than the ability to read a PDF and search words in it, so that's enough for me :p
 
I need to do a clean install of my linux box /boot is too small
 
@Mgetz Do you have too many kernels there or something?
 
3:27 PM
@wilx no I originally accidentally installed 13.10 which only allocates about 700mb for /bootand because I'm on a system that supports secure boot ubuntu automatically pulls down both signed and unsigned and extended kernels
 
4:10 PM
my company has a version of product which is 13.23, known as the Version of the Beast
 
> Personally, I would be very, very disappointed if the standard nailed down exactly what that program should output. I absolutely want there to be wiggle room.
 
@BogdanMarginean That was from WG14, not WG21 :p
 
4:32 PM
My cats are claiming they haven't been fed in weeks and weeks, but I'm pretty sure it's just Fake Mews.
7
/cc @jaggedSpire
 
TIL that Jon Skeet is such a SJW
 
4:55 PM
yes, fake news is surely the purview of those dirty SJWs, and not a real concern shared by many people.
 
you mean, purrview
 
@jaggedSpire nah, I mean his other tweets, not that particular one
 
5:33 PM
@jaggedSpire Donald Trump is an SJW?
 
yes, of course
 
I'm thwe only greedy one here who doesn't pay for sublime text editor?
 
TIL about EmPy alcyone.com/pyos/empy
the more I learn about python the more I feel like there's a python thing for everything
 
5:46 PM
are there any templating systems that are not absolute shit?
or is it mandatory?
 
@ProblemSlover you monster
 
6:00 PM
@ProblemSlover I don't pay either.
I don't use it.
 
@Morwenn Dtto.
 
I want another day without work.
 
@Morwenn Take a vacation.
 
If I go to sleep now I might be able to sleep for 12 hours before having to wake up.
 
Xeo
> UBT startup order is fairly fragile, and relies on globals that may or may not be safe to use yet.
:(
 
6:08 PM
UBT?
 
u-boat
 
Xeo
Unreal Build Tool
 
It's 2017 and WG14 still wonders how __LINE__ should behave.
 
Xeo
They should update to WG17.
 
Also they told to WG21 « well, do whatever you want with short float and we'll likely follow your lead ».
 
user1804599
6:28 PM
@Puppy Mustache is great.
 
Ven
6:42 PM
@rightfold no it doesn't have blocks
dogshit
 
Why I enjoy coding c more than c++,. oh. well Probbably because I used to keep things simple :/. it feels lke coding good old php
 
@jaggedSpire one, two /cc @Morwenn @Ven
 
oh, cats :3
 
@Borgleader Why am I allergic to cats? They are so cute ç_ç
 
user1804599
6:59 PM
> ‪If it ain't broke, break it.‬
 
user1804599
@Ven it does :v
 
@ProblemSlover Hey there. Do generics, and then polymorphism. Then come back
 
Xeo
@Morwenn Easy solution: Ignore the fact that you're allergic, that's what I did
 
@Xeo My eyes always remind me if that fact if I rub them after having touched a cat unfortunately.
So ignoring it is quite the difficult thing to do.
 
Xeo
7:11 PM
eh. It might pass
My first month after acquiring a cat was nasty with constant sniffles n stuff, but since then I've been fine
 
Oh, I don't want to have a cat anyway. I'm not really into responsibilities.
 
@VermillionAzure oh come on man. No I'm not going to engage in debates. I just mentioned that I like to keep things simple thus C is perfect for me
 
@Morwenn oh hell yes yoshida brothers
> not available in your country
 
That track is so soothing :3
 
7:17 PM
@jaggedSpire T_T
 
Yes :)
 
I like. :)
 
Yay ^_^
 
Ven
@rightfold wat
 
@nwp It was suggestion by youtube when I palyed Asian lounge lol
:P
 
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