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7:00 PM
As long as space exploration depends on careful burns and gravity-assisted transitions, it's not really useful. A starship must be able to do what today's astronauts would consider suicide-by-maneuver. Leaving the planet the way we do is also an indicator how we're ill-prepared.
 
anyone here experienced with TFS2013 and team alert setup? I've got a question I'm having trouble finding help on regarding ensuring notifications on Team Foundation server 2013 get configured right. Couldn't find the appropriate room, so please let me know if better location
 
Jan 30 '15 at 2:30, by Borgleader
"Hi I have a question about my retirement fund"
"Sir this is a convenience store..."
"I know but it's the only thing open at this hour"
 
@ElimGarak Re-usable rockets would be a great start. There's lots of opportunities in LEO we can't exploit because it's too expensive to get there.
 
@SqlBarbarian The appropriate room is Stack Overflow
It's a whole website/network about questions and answers.
 
@Puppy Maybe--but past attempts (especially space shuttles) haven't really worked out as particularly low cost.
 
7:07 PM
yeah
they were a lot bigger and more complicated than our current approach, though.
 
cool, gmail shows an icon whether a message is encrypted or not now
 
"Just get a regular rocket and don't discard it"
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Hopefully SpaceX will succeed where the others failed.
 
where others didn't get the funding* :P
 
hmm, but it seems, not for every message
dunno how it decided whether or not to display the icon
 
7:08 PM
NASA had plenty of funding
 
user406009
@ElimGarak We just need to somehow sell space exploration as an ad supported product for teens with lots of "growth potential".
 
NASA/ESA/JAXA and others should turn to writing the next Snapchat/Whatsapp and then using those funds. ayyy
 
they would be already if they paid their fucking taxes
 
user1804599
This is so cool.
 
user1804599
7:19 PM
lol RHNB means "red hot nickle ball"
 
@Lalaland They seem to be doing reasonably well so far, anyway (admittedly, having a few setbacks too, but reasonably well nonetheless).
 
user406009
Arg, SIMD is too hard to apply :(
 
Xeo
so clooose
 
To what?
 
user406009
@Xeo What game is that?
 
7:33 PM
You are the new highscore, congrats
 
Xeo
@Shoe 60k
@Shoe that's just personal best
 
user406009
@Xeo Oh, it's sorta like tetris.
 
@Xeo I see
 
Xeo
@Morwenn That would be so nice to have
 
@Xeo Amen.
Even if they don't allow for things like int,string { a, b } just yet.
 
Xeo
7:49 PM
You can always write wrappers that make it possible, once the basic thing is there
auto {a, b} = as<int, string>(foo());
 
Uh.
That's... gross. :<
 
Xeo
but it is a way
unlike now, where you can't do it anyways
 
True enough.
Also.
Why did they make std::get react to std::array ?
If I want to pull out the entire array with a std::get I have to tuple-ize the array?
It's kind of silly.
 
Xeo
huh?
std::array already provides std::get overloads
 
Yeah, that's what I'm questioning.
Why do they do that?
 
Xeo
7:53 PM
Why not?
Genericity
 
(But they don't do it for C arrays?)
 
Xeo
A static array is like a homogeneous tuple
@ThePhD cuz C-arrays are language built-in
vOv
 
@Xeo DAMN YOU!!!!
 
... that's just silly.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman ?
@ThePhD Also, piggy-backing on std::get means a standard header has to be included
that's not needed for C-style arrays or plain structs for example
(i.e., built-ins)
@thecoshman Did you get sucked into the hex game?
 
7:58 PM
@Xeo nooooo yeah
 
Xeo, the corrupter of nations.
Poor coshman.
 
19k, I'm done
 
user1804599
@ThePhD You shouldn't use C arrays, so that isn't an issue.
 
8:23 PM
@MadameElyse yeah, but he's bad
 
8:33 PM
I'll get a new monitor tomorrow, so I postpone every fun activity like
"Wait for it, it's gonna be awesome with the new one"
 
@thecoshman Sob
 
how many superbowls did europe win?
 
inb4 shoe booted from SO
 
Ok, that was harsher than it sounded in my mind
Sorry
 
then I guess I should ask ur mum
\o/ \o.
 
8:39 PM
hey
 
So.
Now I have 2 tasks ahead of me.
Benchmarking all of the lua libraries
and writing documentation for sol.
Anyone have any documentation they like that was very pretty to read?
 
lol
Wait, is that a serious question?
 
Yes.
 
Oh.
Can't wait to hear the answers to that
 
I'll take that as all documentation is the stuff of nightmares.
 
8:43 PM
I can tell you which ones are the worst imho
Right before no documentation at all, there's boost libraries's docs
SFML's ones are fairly good I guess
python social auth's one too
 
There's no way to mark things "private" in a namespace in C++, is there?
 
anonymous namespaces
 
That stops a user from referencing those things?
 
A lot of haskell ones are pretty good
@ThePhD yes
But don't do that. Just use a detail sub namespace
 
8:46 PM
Otherwise, for example, if you want to unit test those things you can't reference them yourself
 
user406009
@ElimGarak "next-gen"
 
user406009
Also Elim, roughly how complicated code can you use in a shader?
 
user406009
Like I want to run a BFS on a 64-node graph.
 
user406009
And I want to run 64 * 16 of those BFS searches at the same time.
 
@Lalaland arbitrarily
 
8:50 PM
Dealing with "allocating" structures for the GPU for stuff like that anything is the biggest hurdle. But once you define that, you can do a lot.
 
user406009
I remember hearing a rumor that branching is horrible on a GPU though?
 
branching is inherently horrible on massively SIMD-like architectures
 
user406009
And a BFS algorithm is extremely branch heavy.
 
Don't you know branching is always horrible
 
It's been alleviated in recent years, but yeah, it's terrible. Once a branch is found, threads stall until they meet up and then directions are taken. But the meantime is used to perform other intensive operations, which must exist for the stall to be "hidden" away. Also, both branches are "explored".
 
8:52 PM
ONE DAY WE'LL MEET AGAIN,
MY STALL WON'T BE IN VAIN,
 
in hell
 
OUR THREADS WILL ALIGN,
AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW THE SIGN, TO LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Eh, it's probably not worthwhile then. The expensive part of the work is the branching.
 
Yeah, stick to the CPU side, thread it if you can. :D It's not too shabby nowadays.
 
user406009
I'll go back to the drawing board trying to get rid of the BFS part of the algorithm.
 
8:54 PM
@Lalaland write and AMP kernel and try it out; or a CUDA kernel
benchmark against the CPU code
 
user406009
Or at the very least, doing one BFS on 64 * 64 * 16 nodes instead of 64 * 16 BFS searches on 64 nodes.
 
???; profit
 
@ThePhD you uh... you okay there?
 
@Borgleader Nah just kiddin' I'm fine.
 
nextgen
 
8:55 PM
:poop:
:no_bicycles:
this chat sucks
 
@ThePhD I like cppreference because it has usage examples, and all relevant info described. Manpages for system calls, despite being long and scary for beginners, have the advantage that the error codes are described in a way that's relevant to the end user, and actually specify shit.
 
yeah, back to gaems and discord
 
#badware
 
@ElimGarak what is that?
 
@Borgleader Fallout 4 on consoles (far field)
 
8:58 PM
tfw I have to write about yaoi for class
 
Well I can't see any difference between the corresponding picture of patch 1.02 and this one really
 
Me neither
 
@milleniumbug Obviously .02 & .03 :P
They added the 0 in there so that users don't expect much, 1.3 would seem prominent. Even though it is the saem. #deviousemver
 
user1804599
9:11 PM
I'm so happy.
 
Xeo
@ElimGarak That looks so... 90s PlayStation game
 
> Gamebryo was originally created by Numerical Design Limited (NDL) as the Gamebryo engine in 1995.
Sounds about right :P
 
user406009
@Xeo It's only that bad for things way in the distance.
 
Gamebryo
I know that name
 
since when is puppy room mod again?
thought you unmodded yourself
or owner'd whatever
 
9:25 PM
no
I was unownered by Shog
and eventually got re-ownered
 
9:40 PM
Man, switching between discord dark and this hurts my eyes ahah
 
that's because you have weak old-man eyes
 
We are getting reports of 522 errors. We are actively working on the issue.
 
user1804599
 
they had exactly 522 reports of errors?
 
It's the CloudFlare timeout error code
 
9:50 PM
we need a new error code
'420 shit's on fire'
 
4xx are client errors
dont you know anything
 
420: Client is on fire.
 
@MadameElyse lika som bär?
 
user1804599
?
 
he looks like Bill?
 
user1804599
9:54 PM
yeah
 
user1804599
also same initials
 
user1804599
Oh god this guy boils water for tea with thermite.
 
new elyse avatar
I wonder if people who change their avatars often are indecisive irl
Constantly changing wallpapers, having trouble deciding what to wear in the morning etc
 
user1804599
I'm not.
 
user1804599
And I don't change avatars often.
 
user1804599
10:00 PM
I've had my previous one for many months.
 
you had that question mark one for a long time
then you had another one for a shorter time... now this one
Why are you peeps using discord? Whats wrong with this place?
 
@MadameElyse *hours
 
user1804599
> Imitative of the "click" sound; first recorded in the 1500s.
 
user1804599
TIL they had sound recorders in the 1500s.
 
@MadameElyse new profile pic?
 
10:04 PM
@Prismatic :no_bicycles:
 
user1804599
@orlp No idea who it is a picture of.
 
user1804599
But thanks.
 
@CatPlusPlus ?
 
@Prismatic :horse:
 
ur a hrse
 
10:07 PM
:whyarewewritingwordsbetweencolons:
 
i guess because discord has emoji
 
what is dicsord and why is it not open source
> mfw no linux client
 
just use the web client
why would you want to install even more junk on your computer
 
@Prismatic I'm down for more junk
 
10:29 PM
lounge I want to convert some android java classes to c++ how much pain am I in for
 
@Prismatic 12 pains
 
10:41 PM
@Prismatic Discord is great. We can be as offensive and unprofessional as we want.
 
Xeo
@Prismatic A solid 8 on the Vlad scale, I'd say
 
looks legit
Listen
$20 dollars for a youtube downloader sounds like too much
Especially when I paid like $10 for an awesome game like Hotline Miami or Not a Hero
And considering that VLC allows you to download youtube videos on your own
 
Ell
clipconverter.cc
 
Doesn't seem to support playlist downloading
 
youtube-dl
 
10:48 PM
itt shoe pays for shady shit online
 
How does one not know about youtube-dl
 
ow
looks good
 
Ell
or
atube catcher
 
I've decided that atom sucks
 
10:51 PM
Its too slow and it keeps forgetting the stuff I left open when I close it
 
Ell
I've used this ages ago
 
@MadameElyse vOv if you say so.
 
Is 640x360 of 720p resolution?
 
@ElimGarak it looks like shite
 
@Prismatic Thank you
@Ell I made it work with youtube-dl, thanks anyway :)
 
10:58 PM
did you peeps see the new Batman v Superman trialer
 
Honestly I've had enough with superheroes
I can't take any new movie
 
yeah, fuck all that shiet
 
Domagoj is my superhero, and the only ne I need.
 
@jaggedSpire Being american, you do this on weekends right? :P
 
11:03 PM
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper Late repost
 
@ThePhD T_T
 
@ThePhD survived a bus and recovered in less than 3 years
 
I wonder how they measured it?
 
@Borgleader I can't have my lover be my superhero too; that's just unfair! <3
 
11:04 PM
@Borgleader What rounds is that thing shooting
The recoil is ridiculous, no gewehr should jump around like that
 
I wish that was me :3
 
By measuring the perceived gravitational field in 2 colliding blackholess direction? Because that's going to be very accurate result ... not.
 
> >Telkitty the web developer
 
@Borgleader of course!
 
I don't see "world's leading physicist" there
 
11:06 PM
actually I've never shot anything but nerf, laser, and paintball guns
and I'm unsure about the paintball part of that statement
 
@Xeo From the latest note on isocpp.org, it seems that Bjarne really wants them in the standard, and fast enough.
 
I haven't shot a gun yet.
@Morwenn Yeah, which is why he's not proposing the full thing yet.
 
@ThePhD there's still time to get one
 
Notice how much of the end of that proposal is "yes, but not yet".
He's trying to be ULTRA conservative to get it in there..
 
@набиячлэвэлиь idk, ask @jaggedSpire
 
11:07 PM
No, she's our weed expert
 
mutters darkly
 
Weed expert?
You smoke, jagged?
 
@jaggedSpire s/rk/nk/
 
I don't
 
@ThePhD That's the me me
@jaggedSpire sure
 
11:08 PM
Oh.
 
I'm just from Colorado
 
topkek
 
@jaggedSpire yes master
 
@ThePhD Yeah, they're only considering the most important subset without discarding possible future evolutions.
 
@Borgleader :P
toaster arrived today :3
 
11:15 PM
Toaster, eh? You drying weed?
 
makin' toast
toasty toast
 
toast
A dank toast, perhaps?
 
:O
I can get sliced sourdough and slather pesto on it now.
I could do that before, but now the slice of bread can be toast, which is exponentially better
 
@jaggedSpire "Pesto", a.k.a. a suspicious green substance
Weed bread spread
 
@набиячлэвэлиь delicious green substance in great demand in my family, yes
 
11:19 PM
helloooo everyone
 
Hey.
 
since I did not find a more suitable place in the stack exchange community and chats, is anyone willing to discuss a matter I have with a CUDA program?
 
Probably /cc @HubertApplebaum
 
guess you mean I should pm him? or did you tag him of sorts?
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Based on the large magazine (which apparently only holds 8 rounds), I'd guess at .50 caliber, though that's obviously just a guess.
 
11:24 PM
@Morwenn that works both as a "this is probably another alt" and "he's the man to answer those questions" :P
 
Ell
@jaggedSpire or red!
 
@jaggedSpire it's good stuff alright
@JerryCoffin it's clearly a .35 caliber with extended cartridges; you can tell by the recoil
 
@Ell indeed
 
Ell
sundried tomato pesto is yummers
 
@thecoshman made with fresh basil and garlic is amazing
 
11:29 PM
@jaggedSpire oh, yeah, I was about to ask if 'basil garlic' is something in it's own right :P
 
you know it's really excellent on couscous
 
you know what make couscous really delicious?
 
what?
 
Not just soaking it in hot water
I can make couscous that basically on it's own tastes nice
 
I make mine in broth, actually
 
11:31 PM
yeah :D
well, stock cube, because easier :P
 
yep
 
you want to toast it a little bit first in a hot pan with a dab of oil. Then add the stock and cook it dry
 
ever added maybe a tablespoon of lemon juice per cup of fluid?
 
@thecoshman .35? What the heck would that be? You mean something like a .358 Weatherby?
 
Not only does it not taste like cardboard, it's fast
@JerryCoffin nah, it's a rather unusual calibre first introduced by Glock
 
11:33 PM
never toasted couscous before, but I can see that being an excellent choice, since toasting is recommended for all sorts of boiled grains
 
@jaggedSpire erm... maybe
only gently toast it, you don't want to brown it or anything like that
 
yep
doing that to rice gives it a slight nutty flavor, apparently. I've not tasted the difference, but I could easily miss something like that
 
if you are doing basmati in a rather nice way, you'd fry off some spices or what not in the pan first, then add the rice then water. I'd imagine the rice get's a bit of a frying from that... but not much.
total absorption makes for some fucking tasty rice, but it's really hard if you don't have a good pan/hob setup
 
@thecoshman Umm...what?
 
@JerryCoffin o_o
 
11:45 PM
good morning prokaryotes
 
good evening
 
Ell
Mornigg hubert
 
ello
@NoobDoob that would be me
 
@HubertApplebaum is that the word the means we started out as ass holes?
 
@Morwenn hehehe good start :D
 
11:49 PM
@HubertApplebaum oh hi there
 
@thecoshman it mean's we're single-celled organisms without a nucleus to our names
 
I don't understand the comment below your question @Morwenn
 
@HubertApplebaum I have a matter regarding a CUDA program, a quite strange at it
 
what is it my child
 
11:53 PM
I need to add a few things to nonius...
But I'm fuckin' bored. .-.
 
@ThePhD I know a way for you to not be bored :3
 
@ThePhD thats perfect :)
 
Question.
 
@ThePhD and does she enjoy it
 
@jaggedSpire Weed?
@HubertApplebaum >_<
 
11:53 PM
Does bcp allow you to construct a single header?
 
@ThePhD bcp --help
Doesn't look like it. There are probably other tools for that
 
Apppaarently it doesn't.
gr8.
The good news is, I can tell bcp where to output its garbage.
So I can just write something that concats all of the boost dependencies into one thing.
It would turn nonius into a mega-header-file for it's single-release, though.
 
@ThePhD inb4 a 90MB header file
 
@HubertApplebaum I will try to be as short to words as possible. I am making a program of matrix-vector multiplication, using CUDA. I have created 3 different kernels in total, the 3rd one, which is the problematic, using shared memory. The block size is passed to the main program, which in turn calls the kernel, as a parameter, so the block size can be anything from 16 to 512. Creating the program, I always used a block size of 512 in the main program.
The shared memory in my kernel has as many elements as the elements of a thread block, so the kernel needed to know the block size to know its limits. At first I hard coded it at 512, and worked fine. Making it dynamic is where the problem started. If everything is clear until now, I shall continue
 
Keep it hard and don't move it
 
11:56 PM
@NoobDoob You mean you don't know how to configure shared memory size at runtime?
 
@HubertApplebaum Not exactly. Instead of putting 512 in a max_limit variable, I put blockDim.x*blockDim.y however that resulted in a wrong multiplication result
the max_limit is of type int
but when I used size_t type instead of int, everything worked fine
with the side effect that my code became 6 times slower
so this is the essence of the problem. things should be as easy as replacing the hard-coded 512 with blockDim.x*blockDim.y
but they don;t work as they should
 

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