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user406009
3:01 PM
@MartinJames the problem is that their hands are tied due to international law concerning refugees.
 
@Lalaland When are those idiots going to understand that soldiers are only any good at killing things. That's the point of having soldiers and giving them lethal weapons.
@Lalaland Yup - lawyers next to go in the leaky boats.
 
user406009
@MartinJames not quite true. The US at least often uses soldiers to great effect during natural distasters at home and abroad.
 
lol
lafffffffffffffffffffff
 
@Lalaland Good point, I accept that :)
 
user406009
@MartinJames the big problem is that you can't deport people to warzones like Syria.
 
3:07 PM
@Lalaland Well, I don't see what all teh fuss is about. I only see three choices: deport them, (can't), kill them, (unaccceptable), or allow them to overrun your already overloaded country. So, let them in. The refugees and locals will then starve to death. I guess that is a solution:(
 
@slaphappy To be honest I didn't read it. I'm not in a reflection mood right now.
 
I don't have a solution either, but I'm convinced that sending warships is a bad idea unless you are going to sink boats.
 
user406009
@MartinJames option d is refugee camps.
 
@Lalaland :(
 
Ven
@Morwenn reflects upon your life
 
3:10 PM
@Ven Introspection always make me sad.
 
Ven
no-, don't cry!
 
:'(
 
3:31 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь You motherforker.
 
@Morwenn What are you talking about?
 
@набиячлэвэлиь I often see you forking repositories on GitHub.
 
@Morwenn Well, yes. I often contributt to things and then delete my forks
 
Poor forks.
 
user1804599
@Ven help how to eliminate if
 
Ven
3:38 PM
@MadameElyse think more.
@Morwenn I don't give any forks about him.
 
user1804599
@Ven I still fail!
 
Ven
get better brains.
rewrite in perl.
 
C&H game already has $568,000 out of the $10,000 asked.
 
user1804599
In 2012, yes.
 
user1804599
3:40 PM
That's almost four years ago.
 
user1804599
@Ven Learning Mercury is part of the exercise.
 
Ven
and sehe was already there :D.
@MadameElyse I know :P
 
Urgh, $26 to send the game to France. That will be a "no".
 
lol
does it fly in a golden plane with diamond engines or what
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
 
A naive exponential search is suboptimal. Instead of searching in 2^n elements, it should search in 2^n - 1 elements to get the best out of binary search.
 
@Morwenn what, uh, why can't you download it
 
@slaphappy It's a card game.
 
Ven
code from $work:
 
@Morwenn oooohhh
 
Ven
3:52 PM
object.forEach([&object] { std::cout << object.someProp << "\n"; }
that's correct. "object" (a model) is itself an iterator. among other things.
 
ouch
 
@Morwenn :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
@Ven I'm so confused by this code...
Is that Ruby or something?
but
std::cout
 
It's definitely C++.
 
with some broken homemade forEach right
 
3:55 PM
@HubertApplebaum Don't take my word for it. I didn't even try to implement it :p
 
Don't be so modest
We're all supporting you
 
@HubertApplebaum What an odd thing to say...
 
@caps why?
 
@HubertApplebaum Lots of intelligent people throughout history and into the present believe that a god exists.
 
they were just pretending to not get beheaded
but deep inside they were athiest
 
3:57 PM
@HubertApplebaum lol no
You can't really believe that.
 
lol yes check your facts m8
example: copernicus
 
When was Einstein ever at risk for being beheaded?
 
Copernicus was never at risk for being beheaded either...
 
I'm going to need some quotes to back those blanket statements
 
3:59 PM
Bad troll.
 
do you really think that religion & science are compatible
I mean come on
That's like having someone being extremely good at cooking and yet deeply convinced that the best food is made of random ingredients
do you see the parallel i am not entirely sure it is the best one
 
@HubertApplebaum Yes. Belief in a rational god lends itself to belief in a rational world...
 
> rational god
 
@HubertApplebaum Ah, so believing in the Big Bang and being a scientist are incompatible.
 
nonsense award 2016
believing is by definition irrational
 
4:01 PM
Too bad we all believe in something.
 
you don't believe in the big bang
 
@HubertApplebaum Believing is human.
 
you don't believe in evolution
you understand them or you don't
 
I recall reading about how Einstein had some conception of a god, yes
 
this is very boring we had this discussion countless times
 
4:02 PM
@HubertApplebaum I'm agnostic about evolution, actually.
 
Everything in modern science is based of the belief that causality and reproductibility exist.
 
if you're just going to spout nonsense please at least be coherent
> agnostic about evolution
well then you don't understand it
 
@Morwenn And then there's MSVC
4
 
:D
 
4:02 PM
Natural Selection is incontrovertible IMO.
 
I mean you gotta have something to pray to
 
I can use longasswords too
 
Evolution that starts with one creature and ends with another (i.e. fish to land-dweller) is what I have a hard time with.
That's what I meant by "agnostic" about evolution.
 
well to be quite honest when I see people like you I too have a hard time believing in evolution
 
> He said he believed in the "pantheistic" God of Baruch Spinoza
 
Ven
4:05 PM
@slaphappy :'(((( it's so horrible
 
@Ven It looks really painful.
 
Ven
it's so shit.
 
user406009
@HubertApplebaum Evolution doesn't care about "intelligence." It only cares about the number of babies.
 
Yes hence why I'm surprised that he's alive
Also "number of babies" is a gross misrepresentation
 
@Lalaland You mean natural selection.
 
4:12 PM
Evolution doesn't care about individuals nor species
 
user406009
@HubertApplebaum Evolution acts in a manner as to maximize the number of organisms and amount of life.
 
wrong
it's not even about organisms
genes "want" to be copied as much as possible and that's it
get a basic course on evolution
 
user406009
Ok, in general evolution is a global maximization algorithm.
 
in fact it's not even genes
it's just pieces of dna/rna or anything that can be copied
the basic of unit of evolution is the sequence of nucleotides
the end
I'm off to bed your ignorants
good night <3
try to evolve some neurons during my absence
 
Ell
Nighty night
 
Ven
4:16 PM
OVH down.
 
Ell
I think alleles are what's copied
 
I think cicada is angry
 
I'm sleeping so stop being wrong please
Non je m'amuse un peu
@Rerito et les prots me donnent une chiasse du feu de dieu c'est dingue
 
@slaphappy Wait, Hubert is cicada?
lololol
Explains so much.
 
4:18 PM
@slaphappy regarde ce que tu as fait
 
@HubertApplebaum tu prends d'la whey wesh ?
 
@caps tbf you suck at detecting cicadas
 
@Rerito en fond oui, là j'ai pris une boisson amerloque aux "protéines de boeuf"(?) et je chie vert on dirait un tract des écolos mais version liquide
 
@slaphappy I have much less experience than other loungers, since I usually don't pay attention to cicada's antics that much.
 
Ven
4:19 PM
> "We are receiving a major route-leak from AS31500."
 
@HubertApplebaum Pk t'as pris ça ?!
 
they were just throwing around ignorance in such huge globs that it leaped out at me.
 
@Ven is that the codename for your mom's panties
 
Ven
@HubertApplebaum no, it's your senility having you leak.
 
@Rerito cadeau
what could possibly go wrong
@caps great success
 
4:21 PM
Also beef protein powder isn't produced using muscles but rather viscera or smth. Wouldn't go for it lol
 
meh
it's beef penis protein you see
 
Ven
hubert il est vieux, il prend du viagra
 
et du cialis
 
any one there
 
no everyone is sleeping good night
 
Ven
4:22 PM
bai
switches off the light
 
who can help me with persistent segment tree
 
@nil96 nobody everyone is outside having real friends unlike you
 
Ven
Funny how elyse's description matches LRiO's
 
@Hubert i have real friend too but all are busy in Valentine day.......
i am solving question
 
Ven
4:31 PM
good.
 
4:45 PM
So, my exponential search implementation always performs less comparisons than the naive one.
 
Ell
No seats so I have to stand outside the train toilet for 45 minutes
 
Ven
I should watch some more stuff by ekmett.
 
Ell
What is this, India? :V
 
Ven
legit racism right there.
 
4:56 PM
oh noo, gravitational waves pulling me into the lounge again
 
Ell
This is a pissing joke
 
Ven
@JohannesSchaub-litb did they do the reveal already?
also hi
 
Ell
How is that racist? O.o
 
Ven
@Ell pissing is an ableism.
 
@Ven hi ^^
it's depressing to not understand this stuff that they are so happy about -.-
 
Ven
4:58 PM
oh, they detected some :o
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb hullo, you wouldn’t happen to know how many destructors you can declare in class do you?
 
@LucDanton I can declare arbitrarily many destructors that are lexically within a class
 
oh that’s interesting
@JohannesSchaub-litb the same one right?
 
I wonder if my emulator will be fast enough if I just do straightforward state stuff
 
@LucDanton yes the same
 
5:02 PM
@LucDanton Until your cimploler OOMs
 
or if the IO + reader + st + state mess that this other guy did is required
just to make his RAM mutable
man this is scary
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb dunno if you follow concepts-lite but I ran into interesting things once I started declaring constrained special members
 
Ven
@LucDanton "I'm too busy to keep up with the recent developments of C++14 and C++14+, so please don't expect me to be able to help with them."
 
@LucDanton ah that way. nice, i was not aware
i still need to read into all that c++17 stuff.
I was thinking about struct A { ~A(); struct B { friend A::~A(); }; };
 
and GCC isn’t very happy when you declare multiple several constrained destructors and I can’t quite tell if that deserves a report or not
 
5:04 PM
@LucDanton unfortunately, I am unable to help :/
 
yeah it was more curiosity than a genuine problem dw
 
can you even constraint destructors at all?
 
@Ven destructors were first proposed for C++98
 
~A() require (Destructable<T>()); ?
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb iirc you can constrain anything except maybe virtual functions
 
5:06 PM
note that dtors are not called through overload resolution. perhaps that can be a hint to solving it?
i dunno how constraints are evaluated. if through OR, then it'S a no-go for dtors
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb ah yes that would 100% justify the GCC behaviour
it is entirely through OR
 
@MarkGarcia locked myself out of abram's quest btw
it's one of my main regrets
 
and when you call a destructor it picks the first one you declare and stops there; it does complain about the constraints if they are not fufilled, but OR doesn’t proceed
 
found later that it's important to the main plot
and I don't have time to play the game again for it
hi borat
 
mads=bads
 
5:09 PM
@LucDanton ah that makes sense
 
perhaps the spec should have an OR context for destruction?
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb it’s worth a shot, I’ll write a post
 
@Ven Cleanup on aisle three
 
Ven
@набиячлэвэлиь too late to delete >:(
 
5:11 PM
@Ven That's what owners are for
 
@Ven okay right they long predate C++98 :(
 
Hello everyone! I'm learning C++ (C++11, to be more specific) and on Mac OS everything (including thread, mutex, etc) is working fine. But when I try to compile some C++11 code on Linux with the latest clang downloaded from the official repo, it doesn't compile. I seem to be missing some headers and I'm not quite sure what to do. How do I compile C++11 code on Linux?
 
@ForceBru -std=c++11
 
@набиячлэвэлиь, I do use this option, but still getting lots of errors saying that mutex is not in namespace std
 
@ForceBru Did you #include <mutex>?
If so, what's your Clang and stdlib version?
 
5:13 PM
it’s the stdlib mang
I hear on Mac OS you have an antiquated libstdc++ if you’re not careful
 
how come they do not use libc++?
 
1 message moved to bin
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb that’s the careful step :)
 
Clang is the latest one. The same thing happens with `std::thread`. I keep getting crazy errors: `/usr/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/../../../../include/c++/4.8/functional:1726:50: error:
no type named 'type' in 'std::result_of<void (*())(int)>'
typename result_of<_Callable(_Args...)>::type`
 
yeah 4.8 that’s old :D
 
5:18 PM
I'm sorry for crappy formatting
 
@ForceBru well you can always try -stdlib=libc++
if it’s not installed though don’t blame me
 
So, what do I do with this? Just tried using `-stdlib=libc++`, now getting a different error: `/usr/include/c++/v1/thread:347:5: error: attempt to use a deleted function
__invoke(_VSTD::move(_VSTD::get<0>(__t)), _VSTD::move(_VSTD::get<_In...`
 
oh well that should be more explanatory
it means the program is wrong, probably
 
visual studio type destructor
 
5:21 PM
@HubertApplebaum Here you go you damn troll :p
 
Ugh, yep the program was a bit wrong: I tried to spawn a thread with a function that accepts an integer, but didn't provide one. Still, now I'm getting even crazier errors, now from the linker
 
Do you compile with -pthread?
 
that’s a GCC-ism, I think
 
@milleniumbug, even if I run it with -pthread, I get the same linker errors, including this one: test.cpp:(.text+0xa): undefined reference to std::__1::cout'`
Although I #include <iostream>
 
yup, it's not related to threads anymore
 
5:25 PM
@milleniumbug, it still is: test.cpp:(.text+0x600): undefined reference to std::__1::thread::join()'`
 
if you have a separate linking step it needs -stdlib as well I think
 
@LucDanton, clang: error: unknown argument: '-stdlib'
 
wait
that should be clang++
read the manual mang
 
Does it make difference? OMG LOL
 
yup, very much
 
5:28 PM
the manual explains everything
 
Still, now I'm getting only one error about CXXABI
 
one is a C compiler, other is C++ compiler
 
@milleniumbug, I know. Once I've tried to compile c++ code with clang on Mac OS and it worked. So, this is the source of my mistake
Now it says this: //usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line
 
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Q: DSO missing from command line

sraiI am trying to compile a c++ program. g++ -o Sniffer_Train main.cpp Sniffer_train.cpp Sniffer_train.h -lmysqlclient -lpcap However i get the following error : /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/cct6xeXD.o: undefined reference to symbol 'pthread_join@@GLIBC_2.4' //lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libpthread.so....

 
5:33 PM
It should be -pthread not -lpthread stackoverflow.com/questions/23250863/…
 
it should be -stdlib=libc++
 
Here's how I'm trying to compile it:
clang++ -std=c++11 -stdlib=libc++ test.cpp -pthread
 
user1804599
Did I miss something about gravitational waves?
 
Here's the error: undefined reference to symbol '__cxa_begin_catch@@CXXABI_1.3'
And this is the source code
Here I'm just testing whether the C++ features work or not
 
5:43 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь Play Unturned with me.
 
@JerryCoffin Breakthrough of the century? Wasn't it the Higgs boson?
 
@Morwenn Of course it was. But the century's hardly started yet. I'm sure there's time for "the breakthrough of the century" to happen at least a few dozen more times before the century's actually over.
 
@Nooble Whatwherewhy
 
We can agree on that.
 
@Nooble My GPU is fry, so no gaems
 
5:48 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь Unturned is a free to play game with guns/steam/no school
 
@ForceBru try without -stdlib=libc++
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Don't you have an integrated card?
Also get a GPU.
 
@Nooble I do, I'm running on that
 
@KhaledKhnifer, oh man, it worked!
 
@Nooble My onboard is as 5 year old as everything else bar the HDD
 
5:49 PM
I should definitely read the clang's docs
Actually, everything I had to do was to use a proper compiler: clang++ -std=c++11 test.cpp
Thanks everyone for help!
 
@набиячлэвэлиь When do you plan on getting a new GPU :P
 
Xeo
Welp, that was fun
2
 
@Nooble Saturday, maybe, hopefully. I can get good computar stuff for cheap(er) then.
In my current situation, getting a GPU entails getting a new rig entirely (bar the HDD and the network card)
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Why on earth.
PCI-E Gen 2 is fine.
 
@Nooble Mobo is 5yo
 
5:54 PM
@ForceBru if you need to use libc++, you need tweak libc++abi in there so clang can work with it
 
@Nooble AIDA64 refuses to tell me the version of PCIE I have, so I assume it's gen1
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Do you know your motherboard's model?
 
@Nooble Gigabyte's product page doesn't tell which gen either, I checked
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Oh alright.
 
@Nooble Gigabyte GA-G31M-ES2L v2
 
5:57 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь Yeah that's definitely PCI-E Gen 1.
 
that's a Core 2 generation mobo
 
It's x16 though.
 
just replace all of it
 
Lol.
 
@AlexM. Yes, that's the plan
 
5:58 PM
@Borgleader /cc @ElimGarak
 
I'm still surprised my GPU lived for so long, tbh
 
@Borgleader /cc @Nooble
 
@Borgleader Yes, on top of it already. It was only a matter of time, given how elegant & clearcut the theory is. :D
 
Whoa.
@набиячлэвэлиь Skype or something. Discord? I see you're playing :)
 
6:00 PM
@Nooble Nah, it crashes with 0xC0000000000000005, a.k.a. no OGL
 
@набиячлэвэлиь :(
 
@ElimGarak relevant i.imgur.com/pzdbYKG.jpg
 
@Nooble PCIe 1.1, to be exact. ark.intel.com/products/31913/…
@набиячлэвэлиь I was going to post about how I recently went through pretty much the same, but then thought for a minute and realized it was a couple of years ago now. In any case, I now almost wish my old machine had died sooner--the new one is quite a bit faster (always nice) and a lot quieter (nearly silent).
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Poor you, not being able to have accelerated OpenGL contexts.
 
@Nooble The performance drop is feelable, yes
 
6:09 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь Your momma was feeling...no, maybe (for one) I won't go there.
 
@JerryCoffin Try y-cruncher and hear the awesome fury that is TJ-max.
I like the Devil's Canyon chips, they run so coool. Although... I think they only made one of them.
 
@JerryCoffin Now I'm curious how you'll play my momma into performance drops
 
Yep, just the 4790K.
 
@Nooble F U C K D I S C O R D
 
@набиячлэвэлиь D I S C O R D I S G R E A T.
 
6:12 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь I won't. I said I'm not going there this time.
 
"That last LinkedIn request set a new record for the most energetic physical event ever observed. Maybe we should respond." "Nah."
6
 
@Feeds Take this one weird step to detect gravity waves! You won't believe what happened next!
 
6:25 PM
@ElimGarak WARP DRIVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES :D
 
@Borgleader Ayyyyyyyyyy, but still, we require something that can provide us with a negative energy density. If those US fuckers didn't cancel the super-LHC of theirs, we'd probably be there now. Fucking schmucks. #JerryCoffin2016
 
can some please enlight me how this evidence will have a practical effect on research or actual tools please?
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb You sound like the politican who canceled the SSC. :P
 
we now know with certain that there exist black holes and gravitational waves. but we had the theoretic "knowledge" even before. so how will this change the world?
 
Beyond merely knowing the truth of which the only criterium is measurement?
 
user1804599
6:28 PM
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb I think this might help explain how black holes work, and also detect objects that don't emit light.
 
does it help building warp gliders?
 
It does, but not directly. Solutions to Einstein's field equations which allow warp bubbles mathematically evoke the need for negative energy density and other things that are expected properties of exotic matter. This is particle physics ground, LHC, VLHC, what was expected of the US' SSC.
 
@ElimGarak Criterion. "Criterium" is also a word, but doesn't make sense here (it's a type of bicycle race).
 
@JerryCoffin Sorry, Croatian projection :(
 
user406009
6:36 PM
@ElimGarak I was so sad when they shuttered the SSC project.
 
user406009
It's rather depressing that something like Snapchat gets more funding than fundamental particle physics.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb Well, actually we don't have a whole lot of confirmation of the existence of black holes that we didn't previously. We've measured something, and what we've measured does seem to fit with our existing theories about black holes--but there could probably be at least a few other possible explanations as well.
 
Looking at Higgs during the press conference, I couldn't help thinking how he could've been honored much sooner had the SSC not been politically vaporized. Not to mention the many times Europeans broke the LHC.
 
@ElimGarak *Blizzard Soon(tm)
ftfy
 
@ElimGarak Quite all right--except that now I want to take the rest of the day off and watch a bicycle race (and have that nagging wish that I were young enough to ride in one again).
 
user406009
6:39 PM
@ElimGarak Hopefully movies like The Martian will help increase the public's willingness to spend money on scientific endevours.
 
user406009
Instead of ICBMs, we should be building spaceships to Mars.
 
Something on Mars must endanger democracy first. :P
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Well, there is sand on Mars. And we all know how politicians like to bomb sand?
 
6:53 PM
@ElimGarak We have proven that some exotic matter exists. Usable for this purpose is another matter, of cours
@ElimGarak Casimir Effect can produce small regions of negative energy densities.
 
Indeed, but even with the issues at hand, it's all pointing towards cool stuff in the future. LHC is soon going to resume operations after the winter shutdown, finally nearing it's maximum.
 
don't forget germany was successful in creating a cold plasma
or whatever it's called that they created.. i seem to remember it wasn't cold at all (10 million degree ?)
 
@Lalaland I disagree
ICBMs are mostly useless but so are spaceships to Mars
 

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