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10:00 AM
@orlp At least the game does not crash! :)
 
> typename std::remove_reference<…>::remove_reference_t
wot
 
Queer Dear
 
Ven
@wilx that's really impressive.
 
@Ven Is this sarcasm? :)
 
user1804599
 
10:08 AM
@MadameElyse Yeah. :D
 
> internal compiler error: in strip_typedefs, at cp/tree.c:1454
that’s new
 
Ven
@wilx what? no, the game engine not crashing on some kind of "infinite loop" with an infinite velocity is really impressive.
 
@JohanLarsson sigh you just fixed it? I have the cleaned up patch locally for you. Can't diff it though (I think your new master is not rebased onto Moq's master)
And I'm not sure the whitespace mangling is correct (shows up as diff here even with ignore-all-space)
Did you intentionally drop ThrowIfStrictAndNotInterface?
 
user1804599
Is it usual to get merge conflict when merging after a rebase has taken place?
 
Nope
 
user1804599
10:13 AM
Because the commits are "changed" (only their parent IDs are, really).
 
Race condition? (depends of course what you rebased onto)
 
user1804599
Branch A had a change.
Branch B had changes after that. X
Branch A had changes after *that*.
Then I rebased B into A.
Then B made changes to files that changed in X.
Now Bitbucket says there's a merge conflict in those files when merging A into B.
 
@Ven That is what I thought, too. :)
 
@JohanLarsson anyways, for your perusal github.com/sehe/moq4/commits/master
 
Ven
 
10:17 AM
How so? Did you see the original
 
user1804599
If you need a library to implement mocks then your interfaces are too large.
 
@Ven Just means that my automated correction didn't remove all spurious changes (they didn't roundtrip. Prolly means it was inconsistent in the original repo)
@MadameElyse I've never had a use for a mock library TBH
 
user1804599
hi5!
 
@sehe yeah I’d rather have a real library
 
Ven
@sehe I know :)
 
10:22 AM
@LucDanton ...
Don't mock me
 
yeah I’d rather have a real bear
 
@Ven Tabs are evil!
 
@sehe yes, was eating lunch
@sehe Thanks, I did not fix the whitespace, just squashed my two commits to one.
 
@sehe 4/10
 
@MadameElyse Moq is slow but nice, mocking interfaces instead of writing stubs is much less noisy.
@sehe I was just whining, not asking you to fix my mess :)
I rebased on moq/master I think/hope.
 
10:29 AM
what is a dank android phone for nerds
I thought about the commodore pet but it's a rebranded chinese crap
 
I'll wait and see what his move is now, suggested using a better diff tool.
 
the nexus are very mainstream now too ugh
 
I have a OnePlus
2hipster4u
 
Xeo
@AlexM. nexus is awesome (though I got the tablet)
Also, can't wait for Nexus 7 2016
 
I think a oneplus would be sorta ok-ish
 
Xeo
10:32 AM
waaaant
 
but IIRC it's invite only and stuff
 
hi
 
> 8 obscure Android features and what they do
time to read
aah it's features
I searched for obscure phones why does it fucking give me features aaa
 
@AlexM. inb4 the editor's mom
 
@AlexM. p easy to get IMO
I got mine in ~3 weeks on the wait list
Also the OP2 is no longer invite-only
And it's like 300 eur
And OPX is 210 eur
 
10:36 AM
And OP is 100 eur for the night
 
OPX looks great
small size
 
I have that one it's nice
 
my birthday's gonna come soon let's see what I can do to ameliorate the impact on my wallet
@HubertApplebaum any complaints? I'd ask if it's slow but I have the first generation htc one and I doubt it's slower than that
(I'm happy with my htc)
 
I don't use my phone a lot, no complaints though
My previous was the first G nexus so...
My main complaint is that you can't remove the battery
And idk if you can flash it
 
They should design a phone peripheral that would enhance faps. Then maybe I'd use my phone for something other than navigation
 
10:45 AM
meta is onto you, you exclusionary sexist bear
 
I use the phone for surfing the internet a lot
 
Inb4 is "fapping" exclusionist again
 
it is
for ~50% of the population and that's a BIG minority
 
Ell
It would be nice if more phones had removable batteries
 
Ven
@AlexM. 2dank
 
10:48 AM
@Ell No because then the programmed obsolescence doesn't work anymore
 
@jimhejl @gcouprie 40 years from now, snide morons will probably snigger that "we just opened the image in a new tab" to read 10kchar tweets
srsly though. How did twitter fuck up so badly with images? They never fit, they don't zoom, and if it's a multi-image then you're screwed (I have to go inspect the DOM to find source urls. I never bothered)
@HubertApplebaum Not so sure. We had this dicsussion before
 
It would be nice if the electronic circuits could re-assemble themselves so I could use the same thing for a phone or a laptop, a TV or a navigation system for my car? :p
 
time to have it again with ~~updated data~~
 
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper like a machine with detachable modules?
 
Ell
You can kinda do that with Ubuntu phones to a degree
As in you can plug it into a screen and use it as a desktop
 
10:50 AM
@edition yes, and they could re-assemble themselves when a user indicates so :p
 
Ell
But that only covers mobile + desktop :P
 
@HubertApplebaum yes
 
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper I think we need to look beyond silicon to begin with...
 
silicon carne
 
10:52 AM
what the hell I have a surrogate call op
 
Call surrogate cops
 
@HubertApplebaum carbon.
 
in bin, Mar 3 '13 at 0:42, by Adel
Join the peaceful revolution - NO Downvoting til may http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/169845/proposal-60-day-voluntary-abstention-from-down-voting#comment501887_169845
Oh. Exciting. Should we ask for a report on results
 
@sehe page not found. :<
 
So? Does the person not exist anymore?
 
10:56 AM
ok
 
> Have Native Languages Returned? (TL;DR: Yes)
cancer train incoming
 
~patiently waiting for the April fools day~ the only day in the year that I am really looking forward to
 
> Have computers been away? (TL;DR: No)
 
sehe, thanks for helping/fixing
 
:)
 
10:59 AM
@sehe You mean not everything is React/Node.js?
 
I should have been clearer and put a on my first post.
 
It's ok. Just stop doing == true in bool tests and I won't mention it again
 
Englishers, what's the noun for 'pompous'? Does 'pompousness' exist?
 
pomposity
 
pompousness <-- no red squigglies
 
11:01 AM
Thanks
 
there are red squigglies on squigglies tho
squiggles doesnt have squigglies
doesnt does tho
 
Microsoft SquiggleSense
 
> squiggle squiggle squiggle yeah
 
@sehe I think it was needed for the query syntax, I assume you mean Mock.Of<IFoo>(x => x.BoolProp == true);
Not sure but I kind of like it there any way for consistency
Mock.Of<IFoo>(x => x.BoolProp == true &&
                   x.IntProp == 3);
 
11:21 AM
> this->self()
bikeshed? I’m thinking this->unerase() since it’s for type-erasure
oh hang on it doesn’t unerase, it hands out the any container
 
Xeo
I was gonna ask what it's going to return :P
 
the favour
 
I'm too tired to learn how to use Boost Spirit classes.
 
11:46 AM
hello
 
hello
 
@edition classes?
Hey Vivi
 
@sehe components, I suppose.
 
docs? :)
@HubertApplebaum And this is what happens when I do try to post anything using the phone:
ok. Phones are hard to use. "I don't recommend depending on unsupported contributor code for" ... — sehe 35 secs ago
 
Ven
12:09 PM
@HubertApplebaum segfaults are so amaze
 
night
 
Ven
@LucDanton this->reifed
 
I was looking for something more descriptive :)
 
this->descriptive_reified
 
Ven
Ils ont viré Julien Lepers :'(
 
12:23 PM
@sehe Great success!
im sure we'll run into more though :P (actually i think i did run into another one but i havent made a formal repro for it, i should do that at some point)
 
Hello fellow fellows.
 
hello
 
hi :3
 
That pain au chocolat was awesome.
 
Ven
12:37 PM
gimme some
 
Too late. It went where my coffee went too.
 
@Morwenn Why didnt you share? D:
 
@Borgleader Because it's too damn good and there is never enough of it.
I like how structured bingings use ADL get<> so that they can work with user-defined types.
 
@slaphappy your name was mr. kblok
 
@Morwenn yay
@bitcode shh
 
12:42 PM
@Morwenn structured bindings?
 
destructuring assigment
 
@Borgleader auto {a, b} = std::make_pair(15, "trololo");
 
the more I learn C++11, more I like C++98
 
it's c++17 though
 
Ven
@bitcode Let me allow myself to call you weird
 
12:45 PM
@bitcode RIP
 
Ven
@slaphappy not even yet, right?
 
hey that means you can do for(auto {key, value} : my_map) {} right?
 
Ven
@slaphappy yes
 
cool
 
Ven
that was part of the original proposal
 
12:46 PM
@Ven No but the proposal is championed by Stroustrup, Sutter and Dos Rei.
 
@Ven Let me allow myself to consider planning to consider you weird
 
Ven
#I #Believe. #hashtag
 
@Ven I mean, it sure won't be in C++11 :D
#delight
 
@Borgleader not anymore with those pesky premature-single-element-sequence-unpackings, I don't think.
 
Ven
@slaphappy I mean, it's not in C++17 yet
@Borgleader you don't like >=C++11?
 
12:49 PM
@Ven No I like it, I was hilighting the redundancy in your statement
@sehe We'll see, I'll try to repro the bug in current version, and try it again with the one that contains his fix.
 
Apparently some would like to resuscitate the old open multimethods proposal.
 
Oct 25 '15 at 23:30, by Borgleader
@sehe I have an interesting one for you, I think I found a bug in x3? Exhibit A, expression_def compiles and as expected, Exhibit B, aside from the kleene star this is the same pattern and it fails to compile.
Twas this one
 
@AdiLevin strstream has been obsolete since C++98. Nearly 20 (twenty) years now. Please don't recommend it — sehe 12 secs ago
 
Ven
@Borgleader that was to sound overly polite :P
@Morwenn link¿
 
Today in the future proposals forum: enum class E : [] ( size_t i) { return i ;} { A, B, C };
 
Ven
12:53 PM
@Morwenn wat
 
@Borgleader you can check it with develop (I dont' remember what it was about).
I did notice some trouble synthesizing with expectation points, though. That would be completely unrelated, of course
 
@Morwenn enum class E : a_lambda !?!?
 
@Ven Enumerations using a function to generate the value of the enumerators.
 
Ven
@Morwenn oh-uh.
i is the index then.
 
12:57 PM
Yep.
I wish it was possible to write for (enum_t enumerator: enum_t) { /* ... */ }
 
sup nerds
@Borgleader <3
 
Ven
@Morwenn that'd pretty much be introspection though :)
@Morwenn why not propose it?
 
A very specific case.
@Ven Because I'd have to find sufficient motivation for the idea and for myself. Like an obvious example where it would be the best thing.
 
@TonyTheLion <3 <3 <3
 
I could probably have a look at how Java does it.
 
1:03 PM
@Borgleader how are you?
 
Ven
hehe. that's compile-time reflection here
 
@TonyTheLion tired, you?
 
@Borgleader same.
I have become one with the borg :P
 
@Morwenn isn't there a proposal for for (enum_t e : values<enum_t>()) ?
 
Xeo
1:04 PM
Stop building bikesheds all over the place, then
 
Pffff, Wayne England and Christopher Rush died this week :/
 
there's a library on the introspection list that gives this functionality. my "enhanced enums" do it too
 
@Xeo but where will I put all my bikes
 
@slaphappy I don't recall one.
I think that it would be pretty neat in the core language.
 
the improvement is marginal imo
 
Ven
1:06 PM
@LucDanton ADL when you have a qualified name?
 
Xeo
ops::foo performs the actual ADL part
 
I think the appeal in signature/erasure is that they rhyme, so obviously I should go with interfaceure
@Ven not only that, but it’s an object and not a function!!!!
 
@slaphappy As they say, we prefer to solve things ith library solutions but we shouldn't prevent good ideas that change the core language :p
 
Ven
@LucDanton well, "date" doesn't point me to your concerns
 
@Ven what colour to paint the bikeshed
 
Ven
1:08 PM
@LucDanton you're undecided on "waht" it should be?
(in a perfectly-painted world?)
 
@Morwenn sure. it's just that I find it very specific
 
@Ven well, I like it so far but if it can be improved I’ll take it
 
Well, enumerations are already a special snoflek anyway.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton interseizure
 
oh, English does have 'parure' although it’s kinda specific
 
1:11 PM
@TonyTheLion Your biological and technological distinctiveness has been added to our own ;)
 
user1804599
oh god intern uses hungarian notation
 
lol
 
Ven
fire him. right. now.
 
Ell
I use Hungarian notation
 
1:17 PM
@Ell shame on you
 
Ell
In java I name my classes with PascalCase
 
I love the editorials in Overload:
> Unfortunately, I have failed to write an editorial yet again.
 
@Ell te szopni
 
Ell
And methods with camelCase
That's Hungarian notation of some kind right?
 
No, that's basic style
 
Ven
1:21 PM
@Morwenn open methods do overloading at runtime, then? mmh.
that's not gonna make C++ a thousand times more complex I'm sure.
 
You know, it's already an old proposal :p
It's probably in that part of the language that doesn't play well with templates anyway, so it shouldn't impact that many things.
 
Ven
template<class T, class U> bool diff(virtual T, virtual U); // kill me rn
If all usages of a type "T" in a template are "virtual", type inference should be disabled for this type.
I hate how developers have a black terminal background. Fuck cultural appropriation.
 
mine is shale
I think
 
@Morwenn hey you posted a Vivaldi / Celtic thing a while ago; any chance you remember the bandname?
 
@Ven I prefer having retinas to not having them
 
1:26 PM
@ScarletAmaranth O'Stravaganza
 
@Morwenn thanks!
 
No problem :)
@набиячлэвэлиь Dark grey is better.
 
more like dank grey amirite
 
urite
 
Ven
uretre
 
Ell
1:29 PM
> Hungarian notation is an identifier naming convention in computer programming, in which the name of a variable or function indicates its type or intended use.
 
Ven
sEll
yer a string now.
 
user1804599
Perl sigils are a bit like hungarian notation.
 
user1804599
but they affect semantics
 
Ven
they have semantic meaning, hence nut just a identifier naming convention :D
 
user1804599
We have a new contributor! @rightfold has added support for trunc and ze instructions to the bytecode interpreter.
 
user1804599
1:32 PM
I'm famous.
 
Ven
yep
wrong twitter account tho
 
user1804599
Yes. :P
 
user1804599
I should change my username.
 
whats your twitter
 
user1804599
Now it is correct.
 
user1804599
1:34 PM
@rightfold
 
So when is PlasmaLang getting removed
 
Ven
I should write a github exporter.
downloads issue texts, PR patches, store them in ini files.
 
@набиячлэвэлиь I don’t really know, this is why I consistently have to ask for help picking bikeshed colours
 
@slaphappy @strictfoldr
 
1:44 PM
I have a totalitarian vegetarian buffet dinner with friends tonight.
 
Ven
good luck
 
user1804599
> ini
 
user1804599
gitgud can import from GitHub
 
Ven
best format.
 
No problem. I have to buy great bread before it's too late though.
 
user1804599
1:46 PM
Export issues to hprop.
 
1:57 PM
1
A: How to write a generic variadic lambda that discards its parameters?

T.C.It's a parsing bug in GCC (which you yourself reported!). auto&&... is grammatically ambiguous and can be parsed as either the equivalent of auto&&, ... or a parameter pack declaration; the standard says it's to be parsed as the latter; GCC parses it as the former. Naming the pack resolves the p...

 
laughing so hard i.imgur.com/vJpKwW7.gifv
4
 
wtf, gcc
 
2:08 PM
@AlexM. heh
 
Ven
I loved that blog post on Facebook's Haxl where the author uncovered at some point that >>= was async, and >> sync, so he had to use () <-.
 
@Ven unlawful=awful
 
Ven
@LucDanton well, the problem in this case was that using >>= made a read+write (order-dependent) run (nondeterministically) in parallel :D
 
you sexist fucks calm the fuck down or I'll bring a great deal of flag justice upon you ok?
thanks
 
Ven
I'm a flagkin, and it's oppressing when you threaten (<- which is my pronoun) someone with my body.
 
2:14 PM
WOW you calm down, "body" is ableist you disgust me
 
no ukrainian pls
 
Ven
ukrainians and russians are always botting.
 
@Ven I had a bug report in mind where the difference between *> and >>= was really problematic and I thought that was Haxl, but I actually can’t track it so probably another similarly underhanded project
 
Ven
@LucDanton no, it wasn't using Applicate :). (not even ApplicativeDo)
 
2:19 PM
same difference, (>>) is still a method
in fact it’s worse in that you have to jump through two layers of evil to intentionally break things as the instance author!
 
Ven
hehehe
 
e.g. an innocent user might be lulled into a false sense of security in that they really are using the Monad constraint
 
is there a tuple building function that preserves lvalue references (like forward_as_tuple) but that stores rvalues by value (like make_tuple) ?
i find like i am writing a new function for doing this twice a year
 
Ven
I realize I can read some haskell code without it getting over my head, heh. not sure how I feel about that
 
I’m really sad that I can’t find it, because it begs a very import question re: the meaning of classes and laws, and the level of abstraction. E.g. in the context of iteration/ranges/what have you it’s vitally important that upper bounds on performance be respected by 'overriding' implementations/instances, otherwise that breaks security. That’s pretty much what was happening in the bug report IIRC.
 
Ven
2:22 PM
@LucDanton yes
 
@LucDanton: Hi
 
From a language design perspective it’s also interesting, e.g. whether do-blocks can co-opted for EDSL purposes or not (but in which case in which category do the Applicative/Monad classes reside?). Or at least I think so, I’ve yet to really think about it.
 
@LucDanton: How r u?
 
I have had the luxury of doing string parsing in C today
Using only the C standard library
 
Ven
@LucDanton some packages already hijack do-notation for EDSL..
 
2:28 PM
@Morwenn Thanks, I'll have a look.
 
@slaphappy No problem, I know your brain goes « yay » whenever you read the word « reflection » :p
 
Speaking about monads... wouldn't it be sort of a nightmare to implement a dynamically linked monad implementation?
 
Ven
bless ya.
 
@Morwenn Thought I don't really like the approach of classdesc
 
@LucDanton Speaking about abstraction
 
2:32 PM
@Ven that’s not the question
 
Do you know any good papers on static analysis and working on analyzing the AST?
 
@VermillionAzure no
 
I'd guess Haskell would have papers on that, no?
or... Scala? What's the typiest language
 
@VermillionAzure there’s a lot about arrows and static properties but I’ve never really bothered with that
 
@LucDanton That's my next project that I hope to take on
Now that I've actually completed a workflow application I sort of understand process flow a bit better
To me, working with analyzing types and type guarantees as predicates seem interesting
 
2:38 PM
jon skeet has one of those hot british accents
 
yes but he believes in god which immediately invalidates any opinion he may have on any topic ever
 
you mean he's self confident?
YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAA
 
0/10 and I'm being generous
 
2:51 PM
@HubertApplebaum Knuth believes in god as well
 
that explains many things
 
'The Nato fleet is being deployed to the Aegean Sea immediately in a bid to end the flow of refugees crossing the sea into Europe from Turkey.'
..
In a press conference, Mr Stoltenberg insisted the deployment of Nato's Standing Maritime Group 2 was "not about stopping or pushing back refugee boats".

Sounds reasonable. Naval warships are badly equipped for stopping/pushing, but quite good at destroying/sinking.

If the force is not going to open fire on the refugees and sink their boats, why is it wasting fuel going there?
 
probably shoot at the fleeing traffickers
I frankly don't think they would attack refugees
 
@HubertApplebaum They won't, so it's a waste of time/money sending them.
"Oh look, a Nato warship, quick, passposts overboard and fire a distress flare - we've made it!"
 
EU is v good at wasting things
 
2:58 PM
@HubertApplebaum Morons. 'We have to show we're doing something, sending warhips to not make war is something, so send warships'.
 
user406009
@MartinJames because it's a good soundbyte for the politicians.
 
user406009
"We have this under control. We sent the navy."
 
@Lalaland Yeah - put them in leaky boats and dump 'em in the Med.
 

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