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3:00 AM
But I have so much schoolwork.
 
Ell
Yeah I suppose
 
And I've literally just watched 3 videos of ideas I've had that have already just been done.
 
user406009
@ThePhD what do you need that has a GPA requirement? Grad school admissions?
 
Ell
I actually have my first job in my scholarship contract
 
@Lalaland Google has a GPA requirement for graduates.
Microsoft doesn't, but shrug.
Other places require yourtranscript be sent if you're a fresh graduate.
 
Ell
3:01 AM
Why do you want to work for Google?
 
Like @Mysticial said, first job counts it. Rest couldn't care less.
Also, as you alluded to @Lalaland, graduate schools have a pretty heavy GPA requirement. Like, 3.5+ (for a good one). The one I want to get into has a 3.8 GPA requirement.
I'm at a fucking 2.6 right now.
 
user406009
What's the requirement? And I thought you wanted to go to grad school?
 
@Lalaland Google is like 3.3, 3.2 ?
 
user406009
Oh. That's a stupid requirement.
 
user406009
GPA just measures how much time you put into schoolwork.
 
Ell
3:03 AM
Is 3 equivalent to 75% or is it weighted?
 
user406009
@Ell 2=C(70-80%l, 3=B(80-90), 4=A(90-100)
 
user406009
Class averages depend on the school.
 
Yeah right now I'm in the C Average range.
That was good in 1995.
 
user406009
UK has harsher grading than the US as well.
 
Ell
Woah
In the UK, 70% is a first which is the highest "grade".
 
3:05 AM
...
WTB UK university acceptance.
 
Ell
Maybe its harder vOv
 
user406009
Well at least my sister did a semester in the UK and said it was harsher.
 
Ell
Well to get a 90%+ on my programming coursework is "worthy of publishing"
 
user406009
But anyways, most profs in the my school aim for a ~3.3 average GPA in my classes.
 
user406009
So Google's requirement is rather low.
 
user406009
3:07 AM
3.8 is quite high.
 
Ell
I think we must just have harder papers I guess
Because to get 90% is pretty darn impressive
 
Most of the companies with thresholds that recruited at my school were either 3.2 or 3.5
3.5 being Palantir, MIT Lincoln Labs, those people
 
user406009
@Ell "curving" is to blame where the shift the scores up.
 
I think requiring 3.8 would be to cut out all but probably 40-ish students a year
 
user406009
@ThePhD well, at least you have solid internships.
 
3:10 AM
fewer if they were interested in someone with an engineering or science degree :P
 
user406009
Meanwhile I'm sitting here getting rejected host by host for Google.
 
user406009
Which is rather depressing.
 
@Lalaland I fear that begins to matter more and more since I haven't done an internship in a while.
 
Ell
Ah I just looked on my uni website and a score of 70% is equivalent to a gpa of 3.5
 
user406009
@jaggedSpire note that grade inflation is a continually increasing thing.
 
3:11 AM
Hello.
 
user406009
So depending on when you went to school ...
 
@AlexM. You there?
 
user406009
@MarkGarcia I think he is in Europe and is thus asleep.
 
@Lalaland I graduated in 2014. It can't have changed that much
 
@AlexM. Played Underrail. It's awesome!
@Lalaland We never know who lurks.
 
Ell
3:13 AM
Sleep time for me though
Night!
 
@AlexM. I'm currently bouncing between Arena and Abram/Quicksilver quests.
 
user406009
@MarkGarcia Underrail is pretty awesome.
 
Good night @Ell.
 
user406009
The story and gameplay are both good.
 
user406009
@Ell sleep tight.
 
user406009
3:14 AM
@MarkGarcia which build? I did sniper/psi.
 
One thing I hate: cavern exploration. Okay that's enough for now, gotta bail out. oh there's a fuckin portal
 
I mean there were a smattering of different grading styles where I went. There was some "weeeellllll 69% average and 19% std dev on this test was pretty interesting. If you got less than a 20% try again next semester" and some "eh, 98'll do" and the ever-memorable "I grade on a curve. Don't start smiling, I mean a curve. 10 of you get As, 10 Fs, and the rest of you somewhere between."
 
user406009
@jaggedSpire that's why you look at the student reviews.
 
@Lalaland I try to be a jack of all trades, but mostly sniping/explosives and currently discovered those electric bolts.
Psi for cheap/sure shots.
 
if you truly believe in yourself you can turn anything into a curve
 
3:16 AM
@Lalaland they're inevitably weighted by frustrated people who couldn't meet the prof's requirements
and those profs are usually the most awesome once you prove yourself
you just have to sacrifice your sanity on the Altar of Catface to do so, sometimes.
 
@HubertApplebaum lowl
 
user406009
Sometimes "proving" yourself to the professor primarily consists of following along with their stupid ideas.
 
user406009
Their way or the highway.
 
ah. Sod that.
Mine was a research uni, so they were primarily motivated by getting back to their research
69% average guy was awesome, and made pie for people around finals time
 
@milleniumbug Looks interesting enough.
 
user406009
3:20 AM
Most of my professors did research. The bad one did not. I wonder if there was a correlation.
 
I think maybe the research profs don't want to waste time yanking student chains
real curve guy was nice
 
user406009
I'll just never forget all the shitty "OOP" stuff that came out of that class.
 
ooooh one of those
 
@Lalaland Of course there is
100% of the professors who don't do research are bad
With a sample of 1
Now whether the correlation is significant is another thing
 
user406009
3:32 AM
@Morwenn I recognize that syntax from JavaScript
 
@Morwenn Is that a first revision?
 
user406009
I think it's an unnecessary proposal though.
 
It's useful.
 
@MarkGarcia Yes.
 
But I seem to remember a paper for it... I guess it's a blog post.
 
lol I crashed gdb somehow
 
@HubertApplebaum well to figure out what happened you can just attach… oh
 
crasheption
 
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
thanks
 
needs moar symboals
 
3:43 AM
lol layout asm destroys the screen
hahahaha gdb crashed again
wowowowowow
today's gonna be a good day
 
just like my yesterday
and probably my today
 
nuh uh I can't hear you-ou
./tui/tui-winsource.c:457: internal-error: tui_update_breakpoint_info: Assertion `line->line_or_addr.loa == LOA_LINE || line->line_or_addr.loa == LOA_ADDRESS' failed.
A problem internal to GDB has been detected, further debugging may prove unreliable.
Create a core file of GDB? (y or n)
 
TUI looks fun to use
 
#0  0x000000307ec328a5 in ?? ()
#1  0x000000307ec34085 in ?? ()
#2  0x0000000000000023 in ?? ()
#3  0x000000000002a63d in ?? ()
#4  0x0000000056bc0500 in ?? ()
#5  0x00000000000478db in ?? ()
#6  0x0000000056bc04dd in ?? ()
#7  0x000000000001d29e in ?? ()
#8  0x000000307ec06b58 in ?? ()
#9  0x00007f4386f64990 in ?? ()
#10 0x0000000002ed1290 in ?? ()
#11 0x00000000ffffffff in ?? ()
#12 0x0000000002e0b570 in ?? ()
#13 0x0000000000000001 in ?? ()
#14 0x0000000000d57c98 in ?? ()
#15 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
very
 
plx install debugg symboals
 
3:53 AM
too complicated
by that I mean I need to ask the admin and that'll be his response
 
nice dev env slash shop slash face you have here
 
> The projection [for HoT sales (in Won)] went from 123B to 76B to 66B with an actual at 37B.
all the armchair business/marketing people coming out of the woodwork to claim this was due to the content/price ratio
 
> We think the answer should be no. This is a simple feature intended to bind simple names to a structure’s components by value or by reference. We should avoid complication and keep the simple defaults simple.
wtf, copy/paste PDF please.
 
Yep, it's fucky.
 
4:00 AM
They copy/paste that sentence for nearly EVERY single bit of comments in the paper where they show something that they would not support.
Still, I'm a bit disappointed.
int { a, b } // not proposed and not encouraged by the proposal
 
> Fixed a bug that could cause some mesmer illusions to inherit transformations from their owner.
no fun allowed
 
Oh god.
I have to give Dennis Ritchie advise about C.
"Don't do it?"
 
surprise rave in Tarir @HubertApplebaum
 
4:18 AM
@wilx interesting. Maybe I would have stayed with Wordpress instead of going with Jekyll if I had that before
 
Does anyone know when struct was introduced to C?
This is when I wished Jerry was here.
He'd be able to guide me to the right places.
 
4:39 AM
@Morwenn neat
@LucDanton those graphics though
After years of playing I still find them gorgeous
 
4:52 AM
Whats up
 
5:02 AM
> TurboC
Why, India, why
Why do you do this
 
mods=dogs
 
@LucDanton I can hear the meta herd
do you have a lighter handy
and say a galon of oil
 
28 messages moved to bin
Please no help vampiring.
This isn't a help desk.
 
step 1: don't use Turbo C
 
If you have a question, please ask on Stack Overflow.
 
5:04 AM
wow Mysticial trying to deny me some well deserved rep
 
And don't use Turbo C.
 
ok @jaggedSpire
thanks
then how I compile it..? @jaggedSpire
@VermillionAzure do you get it?
 
@AbhishekBhalani Something like Clang and GCC will do
 
will GCC work in Win8.1? @Shoe
 
Yes @Abhishek
 
5:07 AM
Is "Win 8.1" Windows 8.1? If so, yes.
 
means windows 8.1
 
OK Thanks @ThePhD
 
@Mysticial are you still looking in the same city
 
5:08 AM
----> Windows Binary
 
or will you relocate once again
 
ok great
 
My personal favorite would be Clang
 
Thanks @Shoe
 
@HubertApplebaum he already said he flew out to New York City for an interview, so he's reaching anywhere and everywhere.
 
5:09 AM
But both are 100x times better than Turbo C
 
@HubertApplebaum Mostly in SF, Chicago, and NY.
 
its older but sometime I need it for old code logic
 
@ThePhD I missed that part
 
@AbhishekBhalani What's older?
 
@Mysticial I see
 
5:09 AM
Vast majority in Chicago since that's where all the HFT firms are.
 
I mean old C/C++ files @Shoe
nothing else
 
> //!Never throws.
 
but you can compile for different versions of a language with both gcc and clang
 
That's not a problem. Clang and GCC both have C++98 compatibility I think
 
poor man's noexcept
 
5:10 AM
noexcept is poor man’s noexcept
 
noexcept(tribool(maybe))
 
Enough with the shitposting luc
 
unless by older code compatability you mean it relies on undefined behavior that was/is reliable with Turbo C
 
yes your constant trolling is tiring
 
which you shouldn't
you know I really love cppreference, but I wish its search returned libraries too
and I have come to appreciate it all the more after trying to navigate Microsoft's labyrinthine docs for the Outlook interface for add-ins this week
<insert extremely long rant about good documentation and how not to have it here>
 
5:15 AM
tl;dr
 
tl;dr: Fuck I hate Microsoft's docs
 
really
Well I think it's highly variable
They have both very good quality docs and very crappy ones
The .NET documentation is very good for example
 
How can I do this? Oh, here's an obscure reference to it!
> Googles name
> Sorts through five different pages of spaghetti documentation
> finds references on how to do it
> finds note explaining that entire interface has been deprecated for 8-9 years
> discovers no links to interface for more modern version of module
> repeat
> > become potato farmer
 
> How to use a while loop to add values up?
loops don't add values up, people do
 
I wish my problems were so simple :\
 
5:21 AM
People don't, ALU does
 
kek
 
Cookies and cream cheesecake brownies
 
All I see is mostly baryons
3
 
@HubertApplebaum you have special eyes
 
@HubertApplebaum Do they look yummy?
 
5:28 AM
You're made of baryons, bby
are you yummy?
 
yes
 
big endian vs little endian go
in general, not just memory layout
for a BROADER debate
of great constructivism I am sure
 
obviously bigger is better
 
luc wins
 
of course
 
5:37 AM
That was disappointingly short
 
yes that’s what I said
 
-_- Morning.
 
evenin'
 
was there some kind of proposal to make end iterators comparable to default-initialized iterators or something
like if (c.find("blah") == {}) instead of c.end()
 
5:54 AM
closest thing off the top of my head is making value-init’d iterators singular
it wouldn’t work for your case and I doubt it could be made to work
 
ah yes that was it
 
mmmh they’re already singular though
maybe it is about making them comparable, although presumably that would be comparable with any other singular iterator
that’s doable and sensible
 
something along those lines I didn't follow closely tbh
 
iow for any iterator type there would be a canonical (although notional) 'singular', empty sequence and any pair of singular iterator would be referring to it
@HubertApplebaum it can’t work like that because iterators are associated to some sequence
you can’t c.begin() == d.end() either
 
I need to find the proposal
 
5:59 AM
this wouldn’t be a problem with dependent types you know
 
regrettably my msvc doesn't accept idris syntax yet
 
@HubertApplebaum do you? singular iterators are pointless
 
No I don't
I'm pretty sure I'm confusing with something else
une fois n'est pas coutume
 
well there’s Niebler and his sentinels, in a slightly different direction…
 
nibbler
 
6:19 AM
Have I mentioned my dislike for academia,
and the fact that knowledge can apparently not be accrued outside the holy sanctity of a classroom,
and that I feel like I'm wasting my time with the pithy, uninteresting bitsof things I already understand when I could instead be focusing all my time on important essentials (Statistics, Ordinary Differiential Equations, Physics) and high-level research?
Morning @ElimGarak, you didn't sleep long for a person who stays up way past their bedtime.
 
he doesn't sleep
he just pretends to so we don't feel bad about needing sleep
 
Hot.
 
speaking of way past bedtime, though
I've done it again
 
@ThePhD What does this even mean?
 
@wilx It means I don't get fucking credit for shit I can prove I know, and instead have to blow thousands of dollars taking equivalency courses. :l
Only to barely attend these courses and still get A's... which don't transfer back into my current institution, only the credits, so my GPA remains statically locked into Hell.
@jaggedSpire Yeah don't you have work?
 
6:24 AM
but I'm playing with c++
 
:l
 
I don't wanna go to bed
 
Is your work that boring that you feel the need to toy with C++ in your freetime?
 
it's so much more fun than beating my head against mountains of shit documentation
 
Well, let's be fair.
 
6:25 AM
I'm working with the C#.NET MS Outlook interface for Add-Ins
 
That's not really C++-specific.
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFSNRKSRNSKRNKSRNK.
RIP you.
You're forgiven.
 
;_; halp
 
Suffer
The wages of your catfacing sin.
 
...
I know what will make this better
 
>_>
 
6:27 AM
I will simply accept that my suffering is the price of knowledge, as is the teaching of The Catface
:3
 
... No, no that's wrong.
 
already I am filled with renewed interest in learning the API. For what could be so valuable that the people at Microsoft spend resources actively hiding the truth?
 
;~;
This is all wrong.
You're supposed to be in anguish.
 
@jaggedSpire time spent implementing it correctly
 
@jaggedSpire Maybe they just do it for the lulz? :D
 
6:30 AM
I'd be very careful about asserting that something is a compiler bug unless you can demonstrate an SSCCE that doesn't trace to an error in the code. For all we know, it's either undefined behavior or some sort of fast floating-point optimization. Differences between the optimizations levels does not imply a compiler bug. It can be undefined behavior among other things. — Mysticial 3 mins ago
 
@ThePhD I conditioned myself to think about the way of catface whenever I start screaming mentally
 
I'm surprised the OP hasn't been downvoted yet. I thought SO people were easily offended when new users blame anything other than their own code. :)
 
@LucDanton are you saying they spent time obfuscating the interface instead of implementing it correctly so they didn't have to because no one would know the difference, or that they neglected the clarity of the interface for proper implementation of it?
@wilx I choose to discard that option for my own lingering vestiges of sanity
 
@jaggedSpire Discard sanity! Embrace and extend insanity! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHQ!!!!!!
 
@wilx I'm not playing that kind of deck :P
 
6:35 AM
@jaggedSpire it takes more time to fix a mess than hide it
 
BIKESHEAD
 
@LucDanton going with the "deliberately obfuscated the interface" theory then.
 
Lua doesn't understand derivation.
so this wll fail to compile, despite B being a subclass of A and A* technically being a thing you could pass to this.
W H A T D O ?
Do I let lua continue to fail with this?
Or do I fix it?
 
@ThePhD I don't know about you, but I should have gone to sleep 40 minutes ago
night
 
pff.
Weenie.
Goodnight.
Sleep tight.
 
6:43 AM
night
@ThePhD lua has no subtyping?
 
@HubertApplebaum No.
class doesn't exist in lua.
There are only bools, numbers, strings, nil, and tables.
 
so no subtyping and no inheritance
 
Nope.
It carries none of that type information around, and there's no way for me to inject it into there without using the throw_catch_cast.
Bwuh. Guess I'll just leave it unsupported.
 
loungers
 
@Mysticial Are instructions that do compares/branches based on immediates baked into the program's assembly faster than those that take two items referred to in a register? Is there specialized hardware in modern processors to handle something like if ( some_runtime_only_knowable_value < 2 ) ?
 
6:55 AM
@ThePhD They're probably the same speed in many cases, but if I had to pick a side, it would be now. Immediates are not faster.
The reason is that immediates can make the instruction itself a lot longer.
Whereas a register is just shorter to encode.
 
Makes sense.
 
is that significant
 
Wait, does that mean modern processors and things like x86 and x64 are variable-width instruction sets?
 
That's sort of the reason why everyone uses xor to zero a register rather than move 0 into it. Granted: There's a bit of a feedback loop there. Because everyone uses xor to zero registers, processors now special case that to make it extra fast. So maybe not the best example.
 
6:57 AM
are you drunk mysticial
 
Huh.
Well, in the case of a constant like 2
 
or just very tired
 
@HubertApplebaum that
 
Is it possible for the compiler to realize it's a very small number,
and manage to fit it in the smaller instruction?
 
I should be sleeping. But I have stuff left to do before my flight tomorrow.
 
6:58 AM
I know MIPS bullshit had 16 bits you could use for the immediate and the rest was still proper instruction stuff.
 
@ThePhD IIRC, there are multiple encodings that allow different widths for the immediate. Obviously large immediates will need a longer encoding.
I'm not sure on what the thresholds are though.
 
Hrm.
 

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