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user1804599
5:00 PM
Ugh.
 
user1804599
My factorial function just returns its input but I have no idea what's wrong with it.
 
see, rightfold does it all the time and you don't ask him that
 
@rightfold It's broken.
 
you're just mean
 
5:00 PM
@AlexM. I wouldn't exactly be surprised if he had him plonked.
 
user1804599
Ah, there's a bug in my implementation of -.
 
user1804599
- 2 4 returns -6 instead of -2.
 
@AlexM. only because I don't like talking to rightfold
no the real reason is that yours sounded like a two-way conversation
rightfold's just sounded like attention seeking
 
nah I was just happy that I was going to finally be able to see how shrimps taste without risking to throw the food away
I hope the shrimps are not part of the fishcake and I'm actually able to taste them separately
 
Hey room, what's up?
 
MLM
5:05 PM
How do I properly handle the copy constructor with a pointer member to the outer this? I am getting some weird results at the moment: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/52bb705e337ec83f
 
@LucDanton who's presenting the product there
I'm confused
 
@MLM what's weird about it? you'll need to explain your goals. we cannot divine them from code that, by your own admission, does not satisfy them!!!!!!!
weird main btw
 
@AaronHall The sky.
 
@AlexM. They’re questioning the policies of the food chain or thing, so they brought the cups with them to show.
 
MLM
@LightningRacisinObrit Sorry, the code should just print (1337.12345) twice but instead some weird float values
 
5:07 PM
@LucDanton aaah, it makes sense now
 
MLM
I assume because a pointer issue and playing around with it for a while
 
Red Green Refactor.
 
@MLM why should it print that?
 
Blue Orange Kill.
 
5:08 PM
Have you tried debugging?
 
simplify the example please.
 
SOLID
 
@LucDanton it looks like a great show lol
never heard of it until now
 
I’ve actually never seen it.
 
user1804599
5:09 PM
Would it make sense to apply division to only a single argument?
 
user1804599
I think not.
 
MLM
I expect it to return that result. It requires that level of indirection. I have been trying to simplify for a while but nothing shows off the problem when I get down to it. This probably means I don't really know the real issue
For example, If I remove the equality operators, it just returns 0 all the time
 
you're asserting that it should do a thing. you haven't told us why you think so.
 
I'm in school.
 
5:10 PM
again, come at it from our perspective: it doesn't do that thing, and there's no compiler bug here so it shouldn't do that thing.
 
@MLM If you copy a SomeStruct, can you tell what state the new object will hold?
 
Super bored right now.
 
therefore we need to know your thought process in order to correct you.
 
@Nooble play CS GO
 
5:11 PM
oh right
 
:(
 
I forgot you don't have it ;) ;)
 
user1804599
@milleniumbug I currently do a similar thing with -.
 
That and they make you use school computers.
 
user1804599
- 1 is -1.
 
user1804599
5:11 PM
- 1 2 is also -1.
 
@Nooble I used Vista for the first time at school, I liked it a lot
 
@rightfold Looks somehow buggy.
 
user1804599
Why?
 
@AlexM. Vista? That was the OS of the computer I first programmed on.
People hate it though.
 
I never did anything to reach the bad parts
 
5:12 PM
Yeah neither did I.
 
@rightfold Well, I don't know the intended semantics of this code, so I'm just guessing: it doesn't subtract 1 from 2?
 
user1804599
It subtracts 2 from 1.
 
welp time to head home for the weekend yay
 
MLM
@LucDanton hmmm, So would I need make a member-wise copy constructor that doesn't copy over x? I am thinking that the new instance will have it use it's own this
 
I can't wait until 3:35.
 
5:13 PM
Oh wait, right.
I'm dumb.
4
 
user1804599
Unless you do - <- +, then it adds 2 to 1! :D
 
@MLM Maybe. In any case I hope you agree that the current situation is wrong, and that you understand why.
 
@MLM Then, yes.
Your x_getter is copied along with your float. Not re-constructed from scratch.
You have not written any code to pass the new this into the new x_getter, so it's just default-copied.
This isn't really a pointer problem.
 
@Blob Sorry I had to sleep.
 
@Nooble No need to apologise for that.
 
5:18 PM
@LightningRacisinObrit Sorry, I had to apologize.
 
@Nooble Sorry but I will not apologise.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Sorry that you cannot apologize, I apologize.
 
MLM
@LucDanton @LightningRacisinObrit Thank you for the help! Proper copy constructor remedied the situation. I was hung up on that for too long. coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/19b7fad00876dd6a
 
So you guys are very helpful in here.
 
Yes, especially me.
 
5:26 PM
I'm sorry that you guys are sorry.
 
Oh you are? I'm sorry.
 
@Nooble It reminds me of when I responded to a comment with "Your comment about irrelevantness is irrelevant"
 
@milleniumbug :P
 
Who remembers Earthworm Jim 2?
"Jim is now a blind cave salamander"?
 
user1804599
ALGOL is love. ALGOL is life.
 
I wonder what I can do with my server.
 
@Nooble Serve stuff?
 
@EtiennedeMartel What stuff.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I mostly remember the first one's soundtrack. "New Junk City" and "Level 5", especially.
(I like how level 5 is actually not the fifth level)
 
Apologetic too.
 
5:38 PM
I'm sorry that you're apologetic.
 
@Nooble Pictures of penises?
 
user1804599
VB.NET is awesome.
 
Okay, that's it.
You have lost your rights. All of them.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ooh yeah!
Why haven't I thought of this?
 
@Nooble You need to think about penises more often.
Penises are life. Penises are love.
 
5:42 PM
openv whyyy u invert y axis
yyy why y
 
@Nooble I'm sorry that you're apoplectic.
 
Oh dear
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I'm sorry that you think that.
 
@DavidKron Y axis going up is the best axis.
 
@milleniumbug I know and why are people stupid?
I mean is there any rational of having it the other way??
really
buhu why conform to standards
 
5:46 PM
@DavidKron I use XY axis with Y axis going up in the model, and then convert it to XY axis with Y axis going down at the very last moment.
 
unity and unreal engine use two different axes for up
WHO'S RIGHT
 
2 mins ago, by milleniumbug
@DavidKron Y axis going up is the best axis.
 
so unity is right?
 
@AlexM. What? Don't they at least agree on right (and left)?
 
lol
 
5:48 PM
Y goes up, X goes right, Z goes forward.
 
I just figured out what telkitty's name means.
 
I also see Y as being up
 
:D
 
because maths
 
@milleniumbug yee, im using opencv and even thinking about flipping the image before and after
 
5:49 PM
@Nooble in translation it means "pls plonk me"
 
So annoying mixing it with all the trigonometry i have
 
@EtiennedeMartel Z goes towards me I thought.
 
Forward would be -Z.
 
lol
@Columbo: Good for Clang. Unfortunately, it's too late on a Friday for me to care which is right. — Mike Seymour 1 min ago
 
5:49 PM
Hey one axis at a time dudes
 
@Nooble Only if you're narcissistic.
 
@EtiennedeMartel OpenGL is.
 
@DavidKron Use the rule used pretty much everywhere in programming: decode all input, encode all output.
 
I want my food
waiting is so difficult
 
@EtiennedeMartel If you're sure the world revolves around you...you're paying too much attention to the GPS instead of the road while you drive.
 
5:52 PM
@milleniumbug :(
 
I have to go in five minutes.
Can you imagine no internet for almost 1 and a half hours.
 
The fundamental theorem of software engineering (FTSE) is a term originated by Andrew Koenig to describe a remark by Butler Lampson attributed to the late David J. Wheeler: "We can solve any problem by introducing an extra level of indirection." The term is facetious, in the sense that it does not describe an actual theorem that can be proven, and the problems it solves are not fundamental. Rather, it is general a principle for managing complexity through abstraction. The theorem is often expanded by the humorous clause "…except for the problem of too many levels of indirection," referring to...
 
@Nooble I can not only imagine it; I can remember it.
 
I would flipp it tough, if it wasnt for this shit being suposed to run fast on android
 
user1804599
Does Mono MDK include crap like IDEs?
 
5:54 PM
@DavidKron Don't be afraid of abstractions, you use them all the time.
@DavidKron Don't flip it.
 
@JerryCoffin :P
 
yea i rather not mix the term abstraction with indirection tough
simplification != indirection in all cases imo
 
@DavidKron I would rather people didn't mix "tough" with "though", but I guess we can't all have what we want.
 
@DavidKron Point(p.x, height_of_the_target-p.y)
 
I filled the employee survey thingy today and recommended that they replace the gym discounts with gaming related stuff wrt benefits
why even pretend I'm not a fat fuck after all
 
5:56 PM
This fucking infuriates me
 
@milleniumbug Do you know in how many places i would have to have that? :p
 
Don't force me to click "not now, maybe later"
give me the option: "never ever fucking dare to ask me this again"
 
@orlp "Not now, maybe never"
 
@JerryCoffin I wish we could all just speak my native language, but i guess thats not happening either
 
@DavidKron Well, you designed yourself into the corner.
 
5:57 PM
@milleniumbug "Not now, definitely never", is what I'm pretty sure he really wants.
 
@milleniumbug Im pretty sure you cant make an algorithm with one fixed point
 
@orlp never burn bridges when it costs you nothing to go the other way around m8
 
@milleniumbug Im using sin+cos+atan2 aswell, + iterating over pixels, all of which is affected by the reverse axis
 
not now maybe later won't spam you with invitations
 
@AlexM. it's not burning a bridge
if I want your shit, I'll come to you to get it
I don't want invitations, not now, and definitely not later
 
5:59 PM
heaven forbid they advertise their shit to you
you're just being classic nitecrakah right now
 
@DavidKron So you wrote several thousands lines of code before you ran the program and realised the axes are wrong?
 
@milleniumbug Naa it works, but i have -y sprinkled everywhere
 
@AlexM. a popup, forcibly interrupting your workflow until you make a decision that you don't want it "right now, maybe later" is not an ad anymore
 
59
Q: How to help women feel welcome on a male dominated team?

TelastynThe flip side of this question. I work as a software engineer, often as a team leader. Software development is a male dominated field, and has been for my entire career. When I have had women (and foreigners, and LGBT people) on my team, I took the tact of ignoring these differences. They were a...

yawn
 
@orlp nothing interrupts your workflow there, you just started VS
 
6:01 PM
@milleniumbug And i am starting to refactor stuff from it to a line class, which i dont want to include them in
 
user1804599
Module Main
    Sub Main()
        Console.WriteLine("Hello, world!")
    End Sub
End Module
 
would you be ok with a home invader staying in your home, until you promise him that he may come back later?
 
user1804599
wooohooo
 
@AlexM. I was about to doubleclick the build, and then the popup came and forced me to read it - so yes, I was distracted, and yes it interrupted my workflow
 
> It gets so tiring representing your group all the time.
lol
 
6:02 PM
@orlp suure
 
@DavidKron On your next project, you may want to separate logical coordinates (your model), from physical coordinates (what you put into screen).
 
cmon a fishcake takes longer than a pizza to make I see :(
 
I did this while writing a River Raid remake for a uni assignment, and I never looked back.
 
-4
Q: When we have constructor provided by compiler then why do we use our own constructor?

MohsinWhen we have constructor provided by compiler then why do we use our own constructor?

 
younger me was not a smart man
or not as wise as I am now
I used to be annoyed at gmp's mpz and mpq names
until I realized they're the number classes (Z ints, Q rationals)
 
user1804599
6:11 PM
Lol.
 
user1804599
For Each token In tokens
    Console.WriteLine(token)
Next
 
user1804599
This caused an ICE.
 
Oh there is a C++ chat :P
 
@rightfold Is this Visual Basic#?
 
Couldn't find it earlier, I must be blind.
So I'm compiling gist.github.com/shimizukawa/4969766, which is leading to all sorts of problems. I want to compile it because of a commit that fixes a bug.
Unfortunately, compiling for Windows is like trying to argue with Satan.
pastebin.com/6m5vtSvR this appeared.
 
6:14 PM
> ld.exe: cannot find -lpython34
seems pretty clear to me
 
Forgive me, I know nothing about compiling things, I'm a Python developer :P
Python 3.4 is installed, and as per the Python chatroom I tried to put python34.dll into the build directory, didn't change a thing.
 
You also need libpython34.a for the linker
But I'm not familiar with building things that link to python, so I won't help you what you need to install.
 
libpython34.a exists in C:\Python34\libs.
So I'm really unsure why it's not picking that up.
 
6:22 PM
@VOTProductions It seems you (or make) are using some linux-style shell, try quoting the paths. (like -L"C:\Python34\libs")
Otherwise the shell will think \ is an escape character.
 
By the way, this compiles fine on Linux.
 
definitely among the most fascinating lyrics I've seen in music
 
Because linuxwankers have tendency to not quote things.
On the other hand, windowswankers don't acknowledge other line endings than \r\n, so it's equally split.
Portability is hard.
 
@milleniumbug That's what she said.
 
6:31 PM
@JerryCoffin Nicely aligns with the wankers.
 
> just got diagnosed with cancer.. this song is really speaking to me ... right to the fucking soul
ouch
don't read YouTube comments
 
FOOD IS HERE
 
@fredoverflow Not sure I need to know about Bjarne's Oral history
 
and the fishcakes are great
 
how do you know
you haven't eaten them yet
 
6:33 PM
I took a bite after the pic ofc
now I must foodify myself brb
 
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@fredoverflow Bjarne with glasses would look like a mad scientist.
 
@AlexM. I think it must be about time for me to stop working and go to lunch.
 
needs more sparkles
 
@Prismatic I agree, can't do without
 
6:42 PM
i upgraded to the latest gnome
it has some strange visual effect
Also it has mouse acceleration or something; the mouse feels completely wrong... and of course there are not useful options
 
either Barty or Alex shared this track's album the other day
it's fucking awesome
 
the shrimps were part of the fishcakes but I didn't feel anything bad while eating so I think it's safe to assume that if I order shrimps next time I won't throw them away
 
user1804599
wooo
 
@LightningRacisinObrit it didn't come from me, so it's probably Bartek
 
user1804599
server <- http.createServer { |req, res|
    res.end (factorial 6).toString!
}
server.listen 1337
 
user1804599
6:50 PM
Fascinating.
 
> Treat C# the same as xml. Dirty data.
 
the new star wars game looks really neat
that one was released in 1998
 
Oh man you guys that weird opengl jitter issue I was having seems to have gone away after updating my drivers and updating gnome
 
user1804599
This is a nice consequence of if and unless being functions: it allows you to write totally obscure code!
 
user1804599
f <- { |g| console.log: g true {1} {2} }
f if     ' prints 1
f unless ' prints 2
 
6:58 PM
I'm so happy.... pleeeease let it have been the drivers or the compositor and not my application ;___;
@AlexM. That looks sweet. I only ever played the Jedi Knight games as a kid but man they were a lot of fun
 
Ven
@rightfold I never tried it. no idea what it is
 
user1804599
OK.
 
Ven
@rightfold the one project on github (Z3Prover/z3)?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
Ven
yes, edited to reflect that
I'll read the docs
 
user1804599
7:01 PM
f <- 6.toString
console.log f! ' prints 6 :)
 
user1804599
Fuck you, JavaScript!
 
user1804599
Hmm, I don't need integer literals.
 
user1804599
*! evaluates to 1, so to get 3 you can just write + *! *! *!. :)
 
Ven
ew.
 
It's incredible how little some students seem to learn in your classes.
I mean, how on earth can you translate "declare a local variable named x of type int" into "local x = new int;` ???
 
user1804599
7:12 PM
@fredoverflow lol the linked image
 
Ven
@fredoverflow clearly, "local" should be "auto" : ^
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow Yeah, it's just Dim x As int!
 
Ven
(I'm talking about C's auto, not c++'s)
 
user1804599
Or just x: INTEGER in Eiffel. :D
 
I was wondering whether I should rely on an implicit cast from char[] to const char[] ?
 
user1804599
7:13 PM
No, you should be using neither char[] nor char const[].
 
user1804599
Use std::string and rely on a conversion from std::string to std::string const.
 
@wing Show us example code.
 
user1804599
I don't understand why some languages don't support newlines in string literals.
 
user1804599
Doing so is both harder to specify and harder to implement.
 
user1804599
It's really stupid.
 
7:15 PM
Newlines are platform-specific.
 
user1804599
Oh right, CRLF still exists.
 
user1804599
It's still stupid.
 
user1804599
It's an extremely useful feature.
 
user1804599
And it can work with indentation just fine (see Elixir).
 
@fredoverflow Sorry I haven't written it yet.
Struct member -> char Name[56],
passed as an argument (directly no cast)
in std::ostream::write ( const char * , streamsize )
 
user1804599
7:18 PM
nonononono
 
user1804599
Struct member std::string Name;.
 
@wing From a language perspective, that will always work, yes.
> I needed to learn as much about programming in a weekend once. I'm a physics major in college and I was looking for a job on campus. Our uni has an online job center where you just upload your application and send it in. I clicked all of the job options and sent in my applications to all of them and I never really read the descriptions of any.
3
lol
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, let's imagine I wanna start reading Pratchett's Discworld stuff. What's the first book I should start with?
 
Is there no chronological order?
 
user1804599
Alright, time to implement the type system.
 
7:20 PM
@fredo progmatic got a request today. Smallish thing don't know what yet.
 
user1804599
> This can never work with Java: new Record<object.getClass()>(object);
 
user1804599
Haha, Java sucks! It lacks dependent typing!
 
user1804599
Scala master race: new Record[object.type](object).
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow that's what you get when you don't use mutexes.
 
user1804599
7:24 PM
Disposable <- interface { method "dispose" } fascinating.
 
howdy
 
3
Q: How do purely functional compilers annotate the AST with type info?

fredoverflowIn the syntax analysis phase, an imperative compiler can build an AST out of nodes that already contain a type field that is set to null during construction, and then later, in the semantic analysis phase, fill in the types by assigning the declared/inferred types into the type fields. How do pu...

;)
 
@Xeo The recommendation I got from someone, except the crazy graph that doesn't help a tiniest bit, was to read them in the order of publishing.
It seems to be working so far.
 
any of you know the name of the number field that is the rationals plus all the numbers that can be formed by raising a rational to a rational power?
so not the full reals, just those
(and let's ignore rational powers that give back complex results)
 
@Xeo Small Gods
sbi will tell you the same.
 
Xeo
7:37 PM
kay
 
I only read Sourcery, I liked it muchly :D
 
user1804599
8:00 PM
@fredoverflow good thing it's a dynamic type system.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes and after that?
 
Ven
lol JIT people saying "types don't improve performance"
 
Sometimes
Just Sometimes
...
Youtube comes up with something awesome
 
8:20 PM
@sehe No, D blunt mediocre
Hamburgian Dance #5 in D blunt meh
 
user image
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@Xeo ^
The Death and Watch series are probably the best
If you like slapstick Rincewind is great.
 
Ahem if I were to draw a FF diagram, It'd be a porcupine
Also, morning
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh hey I started with carpe jugulum
so totally random
 
user1804599
I just made a variable named nominalTypeKindTypes.
 
Ven
sounds like scala naming
 
user1804599
8:28 PM
It's an array of the types of the kinds of nominal types.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was just denied funding for school since I am a non-degree student and have not been formally accepted. My 3.9 GPA and glowing recommendations mean nothing since I am not a formally matriculating student and cannot be until I return to my matriculating university, so I will be sitting out another Unconference since I need to start making serious money to avoid loans. I hope ya'll have a good time.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that really is a nice image
has that got that latest/last?
 
@ThePhD ouch
 
@thecoshman No, 4 are missing
 
user1804599
 
8:42 PM
yes it is
it's one of the things I'd try to clean up if I found
 
So the pc parts arrived today and then gf was using the computer and it worked fine :)
 
@CatPlusPlus fucking useless shite!
@JohanLarsson and so ends the epic saga
 
@thecoshman not quite, question is do I touch it now?
 
@JohanLarsson GOOD LORD MAN! Don't touch it else you will for ever be responsible for it!
oh, 'be-yarn-a'
@fredoverflow he looks so very old
 
Ven
8:51 PM
@rightfold get a "contains" with comparator ?
(as in, "any")
 
@MarcoA. thc.org? Not gonna click that at work
 
@ShotgunNinja it has good suggestions on how to be fired
 
w00t i answered a question faster than vlad
 
help KDE is buggy and awful and the fonts are messed up
 
@ShotgunNinja sfw
@Prismatic don't use KDE then :|
 
8:56 PM
@Prismatic "Doctor it hurts when I do that" "Well then, don't do that"
 
BUT GNOME SUCKS TOO
 
use windows then :P
 
> Il fait beau dans l'métro / Tout le monde est gai / Tout le monde a le coeur au soleil
 
yo I'm seriously considering windows
 
@EtiennedeMartel what on earth is that supposed to say in English?
 
8:57 PM
This is ridiculous... like the quality of these projects don't actually improve over time. What's the point?
 
@Prismatic why?
 
@ShotgunNinja Because every DE I've tried for Linux sucks?
 
@ShotgunNinja Kinda hard to translate, really. The middle part litterally means "everyone is gay".
 
@EtiennedeMartel Google Translate gave me that much
"It's so nice on the metro. Everyone is gay." Then something about the sun.
 
It's from an old (late 1960s) ad about how nice and awesome the Montreal metro is.
Back then, "gay" was usually understood as meaning "happy".
 
8:59 PM
> l'métro
can you do that?
 
@Prismatic curious what features you want that you feel are lacking
 
and then the 70s happened
 

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