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11:00 AM
Chrome doesn't seem to offer me page translations inline any more. Did the EU have a problem with them using Google translate because it "violates competition laws"?
Ok it's still there if I right-click on the page
 
wasn't it always there on right click?
that's how I used it
 
> The images were put online by the students, were referred to the congested brains of students to relax.
heh
@AlexM. Used to just auto-prompt
 
any way, serious talk time... what sort of hours a week are you guys contracted to do? Is it worth me putting my foot down over going from 40->42... worth leaving over?
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I disabled that all the time :D
I don't like prompts
I also clear the download list immediately after I download something
 
@AlexM. Don't you? [Y/N]:
 
11:01 AM
I don't like to see the download bar below
@LightningRacisinObrit :(
 
@thecoshman Will your salary increase as a result?
 
I'd always choose less salary and less work hours
 
@AlexM. me too, I know where my downloads folder is, and YT likes to resize the player because I've lost so much screen space
 
I personally don't find any amount of money to be able to buy my hours of nice time at home in the evening :(
 
I'm not even sure what the law says about my rights if they want to increase my hours
@AlexM. that's what I'm thinking. The first 40 I'm fine at that price, but this extra time is precious to me. It's only a small increase in my work day, but a significant dent in my post work evening.
 
11:05 AM
hi, is there a cross compiler of sorts that target different versions of Windows? I am in a situation where I need to rebuild my C++ app targeting Windows 2008 Server from my dev machine which is Windows 7 64 bit Home Premium.
 
can't you just use several compilers?
 
better ask that question on the main site to be honst
 
@thecoshman I had asked and it was closed.
 
@thePetProjectProgrammer You generally don't need to. Windows is pretty cross-compatible. It's the CPU you need to be worried about.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman closed for tool recommendation
 
11:06 AM
> Concerned about variant proposals resorting to RTTI. RTTI is verboten for game developers
 
@thePetProjectProgrammer software recs.se
 
Ugh, what kind of survey is this?
 
Makes sense Robot
 
RTTI takes time
 
11:07 AM
There's nothing actionable there.
 
@thePetProjectProgrammer huh...
 
You need to know why RTTI is verboten.
 
user1804599
BECAUSE BLOATSLOW
 
right but not every line of text on the internet needs to include that explanation
 
ergh... at this rate Stack Overflow really will only be for question about stack overflow bugs :\
 
11:08 AM
you can look it up, trivially
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes because they say so vOv
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is there even such a proposal?
 
@LightningRacisinObrit It's a paper for the standard committee titled "Towards improved support for games, graphics, real-time, low latency, embedded systems."
 
the one rapptz posted yesterday?
 
couldn't (extra) RTTI be a compiler flag that provides extra info? a pure opt in thing?
 
Xeo
11:09 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes wat
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd flat out refuse that on principle. That should be split into a three or so papers each focusing on a certain thing
 
Xeo
> Concerned about std::function / lambdas doing allocations
lol
 
well, from the title alone it sounds like it's taking on too much in one paper, but perhaps I haven't understood it properly
 
@thecoshman There is a small set of characteristics all those systems share.
 
user1804599
11:12 AM
std::function/lambdas is the new C/C++
 
@thecoshman I'd say "Towards improved support for games" would actually be more broad than this is because it adds all the concerns that the other systems don't have.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit And space. Presumably in the consoles segment that could still be a factor
 
user1804599
My hangman implementation in C++ was fast enough!
 
Xeo
> due to std::list's usage of void pointers.
whut
 
@thecoshman See it as an intersection, not union, I guess.
 
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11:13 AM
Not to mention my Befunge interpreter for running Pork. :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, perfect sense :P
 
@thecoshman what about the pay
 
@rightfold Now now. That's not a game is it
 
user1804599
Pork is as maintainable as most games.
 
user1804599
@sehe It sure is! It was my entry for the jam.
 
11:14 AM
lel. ".bef"
 
@BartekBanachewicz no idea. Apparently we just got the news about the annual token pay rise, but on course today so will not know till Monday. I doubt the increased hours will come with extra pay, effectively making it a pay cut
 
user1804599
I want to write a Befunge compiler that targets the Mill VM.
 
user1804599
However Befunge allowing self-modifying code makes it difficult.
 
user1804599
FALSE should be easier.
 
@Xeo Ya know, the first time it’s tragic but the second time it’s hilarious.
Seeing people going 'wtf' at the paper.
 
11:16 AM
@thecoshman "pay cut" sounds pretty terrible. Time to change jobs?
 
@BartekBanachewicz effectively a pay cut
 
@thecoshman if more work for the same money then switch jobs
 
still, it's only rumours
 
you're nobody's bitch m8
 
@thecoshman how is this different from a pay cut
your per hour wage goes down
 
11:17 AM
I'm sure if they do try to increase the hours, it would increase the pay some what, but not sure if it will raise equally...
 
@BartekBanachewicz It is different in that you don't need to cut down your expenses, since you can still afford all the same things (bar lack of time).
 
@BartekBanachewicz how you spin it :P
 
damn what you're saying there would make me switch jobs just because I don't like to work in such a shady and unpredictable environment
 
I think that's an important difference right there.
 
@AlexM. well, @Cicada does have lovely buns
 
11:18 AM
A straight up pay cut has much more important ramifications, namely, you might need to switch to a lower rent, etc.
 
user1804599
And Pork relies on self-modifying code.
 
@AlexM. it's a big company, rumours go around. I've heard rumours of increased time , but nothing about how pay would changed.
 
hmpfh I wish I've already finished my apartment renovation
 
I'll wait until a formal announcement is made, but I might mention to my manager that those 2 hours a week will not be cheap.
 
once I move there I'll be paying next to nothing for the rent
 
11:19 AM
@thecoshman do that
yay code compiles
 
@BartekBanachewicz no rent is sweet :D
 
it's 5% raise in time
 
now let's see how to get google mock in here
 
I'd expect at least 5% raise in wage
 
@rightfold Explains why it's such a delicious meat... yeah, meat
 
11:20 AM
isn't it technically overtime?
actually it's not nvm
 
@BartekBanachewicz 15% or I'm out
 
I was going on about overtime being paid 2x wage
or w/e
 
@AlexM. no, irish law, 48 hours is the max average week.
 
@sehe maybe (kinda doubt it tbh)
@thecoshman we don't even get the annual token pay rise any more :(
I don't know why I'm still here, frankly
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> Switched documentation to use SVG rather than PNG graphs and equations - browsers seem to have finally caught up!
browsers 2 slow 4 boost
 
11:23 AM
well, I do, but yeah
 
user1804599
MathJax.
 
Full time for a software developer/engineer is about 35hr-40hr per week
but I never had 35 hrs before, always 37.5 or more often, 40 hr per week
 
> I doubt the increased hours will come with extra pay, effectively making it a pay cut
 
@rightfold thanks. didn't know that site existed. posted a question there.
 
^ Leave (unless you're in banana republic, that's not ok)
 
11:28 AM
although 40 hr coincide with the headquarter being in the U.S. or the CEO being americans
 
what's "token pay raise" again?
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you not use wheels?
 
hmm, of course there is always the "work longer days, but get more days off"... but I think I'm happy with my days off...
 
@LightningRacisinObrit making me think it's inflation correction or closely related? /cc @BartekBanachewicz
 
@sehe I am not going to just leave over my own cynical doubts :P
 
11:30 AM
37.5 hr/week is the australian way
 
32hours is the sehe way
 
@sehe It's supposed to be, yeah. But the reason we haven't had it is not because inflation hasn't occurred
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, inflation tracking pay rise, and just a little bit to acknowledge they care about the fact we are drastically underpaid compared to other companies in Ireland.
 
@chmod711telkitty your clock is way off
 
11:31 AM
lol
 
@thecoshman why would you want to work drastically underpaid?
 
@sehe Actually, not too far
@BartekBanachewicz Money isn't everything, sunshine.
 
In terms of clock synch, that's way off for my taste (especially of the context is nerdity)
 
any sys admins here?
 
11:32 AM
yes
 
@LightningRacisinObrit yeah well I wasn't the one who said "drastically"
 
@Ven How do you mean?
 
yes
 
Ven
is there a way to iterate on a boost::optional? The idea would be to for (auto& x : opt) { code executed only if it's a just }
 
@BartekBanachewicz ok sorry
 
11:32 AM
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Q: Nginx and gunicorn are not displaying the whole page (caching issue)

khajvahI have a django application, which works fine on django's server. I just configured it to work with nginx and gunicorn. Almost every page works just fine except for one of them. It is a pretty big page, which consists of 4 select(dropdown) menus with 1000 entries in each and all that is sent by a...

 
bored of Bartek now
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes the repo seems to be "old"
 
can we replace him with a newer troll?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I sort of like this area, and it's the only show in town. and hyperbole
 
@Ven if (opt) for (auto& x : *opt) {...}
 
11:32 AM
@thecoshman I see
 
@Ven there may be a range filter for it. if not you could make one
 
plus, it's comparing us to the expensive places to live, so cost of living is cheaper
 
Ven
@sehe this doesn't look that good. wouldn't it be interesting to have a for work on that?
 
Ven
@LightningRacisinObrit range filtered, as in boost::adaptors?
 
11:33 AM
@Ven (you can of course write begin()/end() functions for optional<T>)
 
are you trying to iterate over boost optionals, or over one boost optional? the latter makes no sense; use an if
 
@khajvah Sadly, yes. Meaning that for practical purposes, no! stay away from me.
 
Ven
@LightningRacisinObrit only one.
 
but we are still paid less than companies in other areas
 
Ven
and have the code ran only if it has a value
 
11:33 AM
then a loop makes no sense bub
@Ven if.......
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol ok
 
Ven
well, I'd like something that looks a bit better than an if for chaining :P but yes.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I think the point is to "lift" ranged_for (e.g. optional<vector<int>>)
 
@Ven std::copy_if with a custom predicate and then std::transform
 
@Ven you mean a Monad?
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz yes. yes, that's what I mean with boost::optional
 
Don't use this.
 
@ScarletAmaranth "looks a bit better"
 
for (auto& x : opt ? *opt : nothing)
lol
 
Well sadly C++ doesn't have a standard monad interface
 
11:34 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes coliru or gtfo :P
 
if it had I suppose optional could implement it
std::is_monad :D
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, but it's as old as the github repo :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wondered if you did make more recent changes
 
@BartekBanachewicz how would that work? proving all the axioms :D? (apart from checking syntax for bind and return)
 
I only use it in hobby projects, and then not all, actually.
 
Ven
fair enough, ty
 
11:36 AM
@ScarletAmaranth you don't have to prove the axioms.
I mean, formally.
 
the name would suggest it tho!
well, of course I meant "prove the axioms hold for the given type"
 
std::is_* really only work on existence of type values
 
i know :(
and it's sad
 
anyway, I suppose a monad interface could still be useful
especially because C++ has implicit IO
so that kinda should make it more practical in "everyday", "real life" coding
 
well, you can make a syntax-checking concept-lite-like concept even today
 
11:39 AM
it's not about the possibility, it's about adoption
I think we all agree that ranges are "possible"
 
Ven
Assertion failed: (!empty()), function front aww :[
 
I posted a registered letter 3 days ago, delivering to the same city. Status is still: in transit
 
11:56 AM
I'm making my code pretty
yay
 
I like the purple ones :)
 
Ven
what do you do when you answer someone's so question and they just say "I edited with more questions, please see my edit". sigh
 
you flag it because it's not a single question
or close it if you can
 
then you come here to complain
speaking of complaining. wasted two hours tracing a bug in my s/w that had broken comms to various ancilliary devices
turns out the network was substantially reconfigured yesterday and nobody told us -.-
#nobug
@chmod711telkitty Posted it via chicken?
 
my chooks can't fly & walk in random directions
probably become roasted chicken before made to the destination, being chicken walking on road
 
Ven has 8 tons of rep
@Ven you can also edit back if it's particularly annoyingly another question
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz that doesn't seem very nice. I'll just leave it is as is
and no, I don't have much reputation, but I've stayed away from answering for the last 6 months or so
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I wonder when they'll make a Batman bin Suparman movie
 
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@Ven checked preconditions are good.
 
Ven
@rightfold PRE/POST ftw!
 
user1804599
12:17 PM
Yes1
 
@AlexM. loool
looooooooooooool
I wonder when they'll make a Batman bin Suparman movie
2
ta mara
 
what's wrong Robie?
 
@AlexM. Where did that come from?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Alex
 
12:21 PM
@LightningRacisinObrit I approve of the other image there s3-static-ak.buzzfed.com/static/2015-04/16/16/campaign_images/…
 
@sehe mmm. Star Wars, right?
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I don't care know
 
terribly old meme
 
12:22 PM
no no you don't understand
 
yes yes. we do
 
that just tells you which of Singapore's many marathons he is assigned to each year
 
:D
 
I wanna one of these, I am totally in love & obsessed with it @ moment.
 
@Ven editing a new question into an existing post isn't very nice either
 
12:23 PM
@LightningRacisinObrit very very approval, yesh
 
I don't see the problem with race on ID. Ethnicity is part of identity. Government routinely asks for it. I see no problem there.
 
Cough
 
Same as being asked for sex your gender.
 
The only problem is that it's hard to justify forking out $50k because it would just be a big toy & you can not really fly to any place with it
 
12:23 PM
@LightningRacisinObrit Yes. Similar indeed
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Race and ethnicity are not the same.
(That has the underlying assumption that "race" is a thing)
 
@chmod711telkitty Just don't land it in Washington D.C., USA!
 
user1804599
This parses and codegens already!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They're not?
"Ethnicity" is a PC term for "race", I thought.
Or at least a similar concept with slightly different granularity of categorisation
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I have a sense of deja vu, but ethnicity includes cultural and social aspects too.
 
12:24 PM
you just stole my joke and posted it on twitter
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh yes I do now remember you pointing that out
 
you didn't even #JustAlexThings
 
Well, s/Ethnicity/race/ then
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz right. but I can just drop it.
 
Ven
12:25 PM
@rightfold this has the callsite problem :)
 
user1804599
Make PreconditionViolation ctor remove the stack frames.
 
Ven
hackery!
 
how does batman vs superman work anyway
 
user3010322
@Rapptz At least this person has his head on straight
 
aren't they both good
 
user3010322
12:27 PM
But jesus christ, that paper was a trainwreck of bad ideas.
 
user1804599
Subclassing Error is a massive undertaking on JS.
 
user1804599
It's really terrible.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit what a very British way of saying "I don't give one"
 
@sehe don't give a fuck mate
 
12:29 PM
:D
 
user1804599
 
@AlexM. imaginary fight
 
user1804599
Also have to change the first line of stack.
 
Ven
myeaah
this does not account for the interpreter's added stackframes tho
 
user1804599
Alright, I found a syntax for postconditions.
 
12:39 PM
> GDB has an even more powerful debug visualizer and supports libstdc++ out of the box.
Wait. What did I miss.
I remember playing around with some python scripts for that, and then forgetting about it because I use it so rarely
 
You missed GDB having an even more powerful debug visualizer and supporting libstdc++ out of the box?
 
Apparently.
 
I started writing my own visualiser for some of the Boost miracles, but it's quite tricky.
For bimaps I just gave up
 
@sehe GDB doesn't support libstdc++ out of the box. The distro may or may not support libstdc++ out of the box.
 
That's my experience too
 
private gist
ah nm it's up mow
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Fun fact: "gave up" sounds like "threw up" in Dutch
 
user1804599
This is the best syntax I ever invented.
 
@sehe that is indeed fun.
 
12:54 PM
@rightfold what do the pipes do
 
@LightningRacisinObrit But what is race?
 
"What is race?" / "Baby, don't hurt me"...
@ThePhD Of ok ideas but bad unfounded conclusions, if you ask me.
 

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