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9:00 PM
@StackedCrooked It's not gramatically correct, but that is how it's pronounced (at least here).
 
ah
@ShotgunNinja and then the 80s happened
 
and then the 90s happened
 
@EtiennedeMartel quite right
 
@thecoshman stability is lacking. visual sanity is lacking... like why can't you get font rendering right? After how many years now? Why the hell do I need annoying transparency every where randomly and fucking glowy blue borders and transitions and other stupid shit? Just get the basic shit working first
 
@Prismatic let me get this straight... you don't want gimmicky flashy features... yet use KDE?
 
9:02 PM
cosh has got a point
 
Font rendering is not easy and is/was complicated by the presence of shitload of patents in that area
 
I spent all frickin day updating gnome and getting kde working too because of some obscure compositing bug that gnome had. The updated gnome fixes the bug I had but introduces an even WORSE bug
KDE doesn't have the bug so I thought I'd try that out. Bad font rendering, annoying gimmicky effects everywhere
 
KDE literally stands for "Krap Do-dads Everywhere"
 
@CatPlusPlus except there are packages that do font rendering pretty well already. You don't need to reinvent the wheel, just use what's available
 
It's the same package everywhere
Use a distro that can configure hinting out of the box better I guess?
(Also i3 the best anyway)
 
9:06 PM
And your list of sample DE is akin to some saying the world has nothing interesting to see when all they've seen in life is Birmingham
@CatPlusPlus I hear lots of good things about that
 
i3 is a tiling WM isn't it?
 
I want to upgrade some of my computer hardware, top up the GPU, non noisy fans etc... but that means I'll have to actually power it of so I can get at it
 
GNOME is fairly usable also
 
9:08 PM
KDE was always unstable
 
well... I could hobble around on the floor like some savage, butt valls to that
@StackedCrooked I bet that is one of those fake Birminghams
 
Well... at least KDE has options
Its a nice change of pace from having no options whatsoever.
I wish I had enough $$ for a mac.
 
Options for what
lol you want options and SOX that does not compute
 
o_0 you are seriously suffering from some sort of multiple personality disorder
 
@Prismatic you need at least $$$
 
user1804599
 
Every little thing actually. Colors, fonts, widgets, ... the Settings Panel is byzantine
 
Ven
@rightfold do you like uniformed method call syntax or not?
 
Wow people care about changing that crap
 
user1804599
@Ven define uniformed method call syntax
 
Ven
a(b) for b.a()
D/magpie-style. there's also a c++ paper for that iirc
 
9:12 PM
@CatPlusPlus to be fair, there is a difference between wanting to be able to change stupid settings, and actually bothering to
 
@CatPlusPlus The funny thing is KDE has an almost useless number of settings to change. Its borders on being silly. And in Gnome, you can't change anything by default, not even the fonts iirc (which is important because it comes with a really ugly font)
 
P sure you can change everything in gconf if you really care about stupid shit like that
 
you can show the FPS of the desktop in KDE lol
 
ok you can stop, you have already proven that you don't know what you are talking about.
 
@rightfold Why <- for making variables? Wouldn't = be simpler?
 
user1804599
9:16 PM
No, = already means equality checking.
 
people who do sport things... what is the idea with 'compression shirts'? is it so you can be obnoxiously into gaining gets by just standing there?
 
user1804599
I like <-. := is for assignment.
 
anyway starting to look cool :)
 
Ven
@rightfold you didn't answer :P
@StackedCrooked i told him he should write a self instead
 
@rightfold syntactic sugar plz variable <- { } should be allowed to cut down to just variable { } the '<-' could maybe be implied
 
user1804599
9:19 PM
@Ven I don't like it.
 
user1804599
Unnecessary complexity.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman wat
 
Ven
or the opposite
 
user1804599
variable { } applies variable to { }.
 
user1804599
It's a function call.
 
Ven
9:19 PM
how do you write a pipe operator that has "this"-support?
 
user1804599
.
 
@rightfold oh...
 
user1804599
:P
 
Ven
5 |> (.valueOf) in LS
 
I... I think I'm warming up to KDE
This font rendering is complete trash though
 
9:21 PM
what about have 'is' as a keyword for '<-' main is { ... } x is 5 etc.
 
there's gotta be a way to improve it
 
are you using RPN?
wait... not reversed, just polish notation
 
user1804599
@thecoshman No keyword policy.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Yes. + and * are just ordinary identifiers.
 
Ven
should have a symbol for homogeneous eq., and one for heterogeneous eq
 
user1804599
9:25 PM
: syntax is there for reducing parentheses.
 
TCO?
 
user1804599
TCO is impossible since ES5 makes it impossible.
 
ES5?
 
user1804599
Could do TCO for recursive functions but CBA right now.
 
I don't like the bang being used for "function with no args"
 
9:31 PM
mawnin
 
user1804599
@thecoshman OK.
 
oh, EcmaScript5 :P
@Puppy using your hols well I take it
 
user1804599
call <- { |f| f! }
call foo
call bar
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Problem solved. :P
 
@thecoshman What hols?
 
9:32 PM
@Puppy are you really just up?
@rightfold do <- call
 
@thecoshman I woke up an hour ago
 
@thecoshman No, but I just got home.
 
puppy works though... I thought... and you always nap
@Puppy lol, what sort of screw job you got :P
 
the kind where afterwards I went to Paranoia and made the other dude shoot himself in the head with his mutant power
 
@thecoshman I also work
Just not yet
Gotta eat breakfast first
 
9:37 PM
@rightfold so what's the intended use? compile to JS :P
 
user1804599
Absolutely.
 
user1804599
Fuck JavaScript.
 
Who to vote for moderator?
 
user1804599
Clements and Pieters.
 
Okay.
 
9:48 PM
Hi
 
Hi.
 
Ven
@rightfold what bit you again?
 
user1804599
Nothing?
 
user1804599
Fuck JavaScript in general.
4
 
Ven
good
feel the hatred flow through you
 
user1804599
9:58 PM
> thoggy has invited you to join JavaScript. See your invitations.
 
;-)
 
lol @ flag
 
Flags? The fuck.
 
user1804599
@Ven Yes! I hate Flow too!
 
Ven
@rightfold why
 
user1804599
9:59 PM
No idea. :P
 
Ven
it seems @rightfold needs to hate a lot of things
 
I just got an email from MS saying that my obscure SSE bug that I filed way back in October for VS2013 is fixed in the "next major release".
 
user1804599
Alright, let's find a decent code indexing tool.
 
user1804599
cscope can only find function calls.
 
@Mysticial Wait, they actually fixed a bug?
 
I must say that for VS2015 they seem to be engaging in some alarming behaviour, like actually incorporating user feedback, fixing bugs, and posting iterations of their pre-release builds.
 
@CatPlusPlus I will wake up in 30 minutes.
 
user1804599
@sehe beyondgrep.com/more-tools scroll to "Indexing tools"
 
Ven
@Puppy it probably means the world is about to end
 
I concur.
 
user1804599
10:29 PM
Alright, writing a code indexer for Go is a piece of cake.
 
user1804599
It's pretty much part of the standard library.
 
uhm I've never done any mobile device programming, does anyone know why normal image compression formats (e.g. JPG) aren't suited for mobile devices?
 
this Jeremy Banks guy seems cool
gonna make him my first choice
 
Activating deployment.. crash. Good. That made my day.
 
@MarcoA. Who exactly says they're not?
 
10:39 PM
@JerryCoffin this
if it's a joke I don't get it since I knew nothing of "desktop jpgs on mobile devices"
 
@MarcoA. I don't think the emphasis here is on JPEG, but on desktop. They're sending high-resolution pictures to clients with tiny screens that can't display them in any meaningful way.
 
@MarcoA. I think it's a shitty resolution joke.
 
I think you're right. That would actually make sense
 
that's why responsive design uses a container which resizes images based on screen size
 
not sure why I thought about the format in the first place.. perhaps I'm just tired
 
10:43 PM
That said, there are mobile phones with higher resolution screens than most people have on their desktops (e.g., Galaxy S6 @ 2560x1440).
 
And thinking I could have gotten all the fame myself :c
 
@JerryCoffin that is a lot
 
@CatPlusPlus You make me feel better about my fucked up sleep time. Thanks.
 
I'm trying to convince a friend to upgrade to an SSD. But he says that what's the need for it when the computer interacts with the RAM? He seems to think that the hard disk is only used when saving, copying and pasting stuff. How the heck do I convince him now?
 
Why would you
 
10:47 PM
Technically speaking you always interact with a copy in cache, as far as I understand it.
 
@Jefffrey you mean talking to his friend, right?
 
user1804599
It is weekend.
 
user1804599
worst question of the day award
 
what up boys??!?!
:D
 
user1804599
10:56 PM
hahaha float64 := (milesdriven *Rand)
 
Anyone know how many bits are reserved for the tag if a cache line size is 8 bytes?
 
@CatPlusPlus Cause one of you guys told me to.
 
and memory addresses are 22 bits
anyone?!!
 
But really, SSD is known to given faster performance (or at least so do the articles say online), but how
 
10:58 PM
> Just admit that it’s Mozilla’s fault for not rushing to replace gecko with servo and replace spidermonkey with a better js engine in rust.
 
@CatPlusPlus how?
 
user1804599
lol Servo
 
user1804599
Failed project of the decade.
 
The documentation on this page is just... wow.
Top quality.
 
user1804599
Average Haskell documentation.
 
user1804599
11:03 PM
Time to watch more Rob Pike videos.
 
Some please help meeeeee
 
Ugh Go
 
user1804599
Go is great.
 
@Jefffrey If the cache line size has 8 bytes, the total size of the cache is 128k bytes, and memory addresses are 22 bits, then how many bits are for the tag?
 
Now google just needs to release a new markup language and call it Stop
 
11:05 PM
@Jefffrey While wrapping SDL, I noticed that SDL documentation was pretty poor so I rewrote it.
 
@Vimzy How many lines are there in the cache?
Start from there.
 
@Jeremy it's not homework, prepping for exam and i don't get this concept.
@Jefffrey I understand that there are 16,000 lines since 128k/8, right?
 
Also shouldn't you know wether the cache is set associative or something?
Also what's the word dimension?
 
Not for this, because we're just trying to determine how many bits from the address are for the tag
And a word is 16 bits, what do you mean by dimennsion?
 
So the address is split in? TAG, ...
TAG, LINE, WORD, no?
x bits for TAG, y bits for LINE, z bits for WORD
x + y + z must be equal to 22
 
11:10 PM
@Jefffrey For a real cache, yes. It sounds like he's assuming a fully associative cache though.
 
[TAG | SLOT | OFFSET]
like that
 
So to select a word within a line it's 8/2 bytes = 4
which means 2 bits for WORD
Now there are 16,000 lines
Sounds poor math right there vim
128kibibyte / 8 byte are not 16,000
it's 2^17 / 2^3 bytes
which means 2^14 lines
which means 14 bits for LINE
which means that TAG is x = 22 - y - z, which means x = 22 - 14 - 2 = 6
So TAG is 6 bits
Did I win something?
 
I'm confused why you did 2^17/2^3
and thanks bro
 
Is that correct?
 
Well I think so, I have no way of checking lol
 
11:14 PM
128kibibyte of total cache
each line is 8 byte
128 kibibytes are 2^17 bytes
8 bytes are 2^3 bytes
 
so isn't that 128 000 bytes?
 
No, KIBIbytes
not KILObytes
Come on man, power of 2. It's like the ABC of computer science
 
Deja vu.
 
@Jefffrey 2^10 is a kilo. The people who invented the "kibi" nonsense are idiots.
 
@Vimzy Are you on Windows?
@JerryCoffin I know your position on this already :)
 
11:16 PM
@Jefffrey on mac brah why?
 
@Jefffrey So don't be an idiot. :-)
 
@JerryCoffin You are the only one in this room to think so.
@Vimzy Nothing
 
@Jefffrey Not really
 
@Jefffrey s/ so// :-)
 
I really liked 4 ways set associative caches for some reason.
 
11:18 PM
@Jefffrey Fully associative caches FTW. Well, not really, but theoretically they're awesome!
 
Hello
 
@FISOCPP Hello.
 
How are you doing?
 
> RIOT! FISOCPP!

Question everything.
 
Yeah - everyone should do it.
 
11:19 PM
Who should I vote for moderator?
I have no idea who these people are.
Is there someone from this room?
 
go visit meta chats
 
But unfortunately too few are smart enough.
 
Also I watched Dawn of the dead (2004). It's the only zombie movie I've ever seen where zombies are actually dangerous.
 
Go for one that is more likely to rage and down-vote less.
Because I'm sick of such retards.
Which down-vote for everything.
 
You are in the wrong room buddy.
 
11:22 PM
Why you think so?
 
@FISOCPP So wishing I could downvote posts here...
;-)
 
I'm so happy you can't.
 
I think I'll decide who to vote by discrimination by sex and then by race.
Like puppies are out immediately.
 
Is this information included?
lol
 
Also seriously, ostrich?
Well, ostrich eggs are awesome.
 
11:24 PM
wtf?
Someone thinks C++ sucks very hard?
 
Hard to find someone who doesn't.
 
I don't mean like because it's part of your work or studies.
Just because it's badly designed.
Anyone taking drugs here?
 
@Puppy
 
Cocaine, mushrooms, heroine, weed?
Seriously
 
Yeah, seriously. I don't remember what he takes.
But he definitely takes something.
 
11:29 PM
lol
How can you know this?
 
Sep 11 '14 at 21:01, by Puppy
DRUGS!
Apr 8 '14 at 19:23, by DeadMG
drugs, puppy loves drugs.
Jun 6 '14 at 21:10, by DeadMG
time for drugs.
Aug 10 '14 at 21:14, by Puppy
yay drugs
Should I continue?
 
He may be just trolling
 
Apr 12 at 12:39, by Puppy
well my life satisfaction definitely improved once I got a job, started earning money, got drugs
 
Puppy - you here?
 
Nov 4 '14 at 20:36, by Puppy
puppy needs drugs to live.
Oct 15 '14 at 20:38, by Puppy
PUPPY DRUGS TIME YAYCAKES!
 
11:31 PM
alright stop
 
Yeah, he is probably trolling.
 
they're drugs as in the medical drugs
you morons
 
And here comes Rapptz who ruins all the fun.
 
Jeffrey were trolling
 
yeah yeah
 
11:32 PM
lol
ok
I don't know why you doesn't take drugs seriously
2
They could improve your life
And make you feel better
 
For once, drug free means grammar full.
 
What?
 
Yeah @Jeffrey he has a point. Drugs can seriously make someone's life a lot better.
For example, I take gummy vitamins.
Super tasty.
 
@FISOCPP Are you one of those that come in here and brag about how cool they are because they are taking drugs to a bunch of nerds?
 
Are those some kind of legal drugs?
 
11:36 PM
Gummy vitamins?
Yeah.
I'm pretty hardcore man.
I have a reputation for that around here.
 
@Jefffrey Nope - I'm just random chat.
But I'm talking seriously.
 
Hint: We are all pedantic nerds here. Barely 10% of the room has ever got laid. And 1% doesn't even know what sex they are.
 
@Nooble Hmm - I've never heard of such thing.
 
@Jefffrey Eww sex don't talk about that.
 
Virgin is a good radio
 
11:38 PM
I mean there were some eye drops that get you high - I've heard.
But vitamins.
 
Yeah man. My multivitamins get me high. But that's just me, and I'm a koala.
Results may vary.
 
Drugs should be legalized world-wide.
It's our decision what to do with our lives.
Goverment should go after real criminals.
I mean - after you don't harm the others - then it should be legal.
 
How old are you?
 
17
why?
 
user1804599
aaaaaaaaaa
 
11:43 PM
Does it matters?
 
user1804599
select is so hard to implement.
 
@FISOCPP It does more than you'll be willing to understand at that age.
 
Then tell me.
I think that if you can't explain something - then you don't know nothing about it.
And this was not said by me.
Someone else did.
 
Does it really matter who said it?
 
Yeah - because some stupid people think that matters.
I had just to try.
So what I don't know?
Because I'm stupid young.
 
11:46 PM
Nah, not stupid.
Your focus is just too narrow.
 
No - ok thank you.
What focus?
 
life focus
 
On what - on drugs legalization?
 
On life
 
How do you know my life focus?
 
11:47 PM
What life means, what your goals are, what your idea of cool is, etc...
That will all change.
 
But how do you know what is it?
 
Thanksfully.
Otherwise you would become boring pretty fast.
 
You some kind of magician?
 
I never said I know what life is.
I said that your idea of what life is will change.
And yes, I'm a wizard.
 
But how do you know what my idea of life is?
 
11:48 PM
It doesn't matter.
 
Is this because you think that everyone at my age has some thoughs?
 
What matters is that non-boring people change.
 
And they're the same
Everyone at my age
has the same thoughts?
 
What the fuck did I just walk into?
 
Is this what you think?
 
11:49 PM
Yeah, you might think you are cool and a unique snoflek, but yeah, you are all the same
 
You walk into argument between idiots.
I don't think I'm cool - OMG
I'm actually not cool at all
What do you mean by all the same?
How do you categorize us?
Because actually I do too
You are all becaming stupid though the years
Well most of you
 
That's for sure
I've moved from a terrible language (C++) to a even more terrible language (Haskell)
Sounds like I'm making very poor choices.
 
Also you don't want to question anything and always believe you're right.
 
How do you know that?
 
I can question everything - even myself.
How do you know about me?
 
11:53 PM
Can I adopt you?
 
I'm just talking what I think in general
 
You remind me so much of myself at pretty much that age.
 
yes - how much money do you have?
I want 100dollars per day.
 
Not many. Still a student.
 
So then I'll say no.
 
11:54 PM
Trust me, you will be more inspired with no money at all.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey try Go.
 
What do you mean?
 
That necessity should inspire you
 
What the fuck you talking about?
 
user1804599
Or Mill!
 
11:56 PM
@Jefffrey Ah I see - well how do you know as you're poor as fuck?
 
user1804599
Mill is the best programming language.
 
@rightfold Maybe send link?
 
user1804599
Time to take a nap.
 
OK good night.
And think about drug legalization.
 
11:59 PM
lol
 
user1804599
Are you having problems with my sexual orientation?
 
He is a cutie
 
@rightfold No. Are you?
 
user1804599
Because if you do, then you can find the solution to those problems right here.
 

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