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10:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus Then who should do it?
 
Federated auth is more complicated than local auth :v
 
@CatPlusPlus mmm?
 
I don't like doing cryptography in general :| I feel like that's best left to professionals
 
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@StackedCrooked Just go the hippie way: trust everybody; no one will do any harm.
 
There are no professionals
Everything is broken
 
10:01 PM
Aww.
 
You too. Fired.
inb4 that's the problem
 
I repaired a fan yesterday.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Was she a big metal fan?
 
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partly metal, partly plastic :P
 
10:02 PM
@rightfold I don't know about OAuth, but OAuth2 seems nice.
 
@CatPlusPlus krzysztof-jusiak.github.io/di/boost/libs/di/doc/html/di/… doesn't look too bad. If "krzysztof" rings the bell I think it should be ringing, then this makes total sense :)
 
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I’m going to use Stack Exchange as my rubber duck.
 
dubber rukking
 
user1804599
rukkers
 
user1804599
10:05 PM
viespeuk
 
@rightfold why do you need a rubber duck?
 
@StackedCrooked aeon
 
probably for rubber duck debugging
 
@Jefffrey You don't want to know.
 
user1804599
In other news why am I still a male.
 
10:07 PM
@milleniumbug anti-joke millenium
 
@sehe For me, it rings the C preprocessor bell and bell for being my professor last year (not the same person)
 
@rightfold waarom loop je nog steeds te malen. Refresh MOAR.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey I usually use this guy as a rubber duck:
 
user1804599
But if I use Stack Exchange then I potentially help other people as well!
 
Ell
10:08 PM
my god libre office is terrible
 
Good choice, he's talkative.
 
user1804599
@Ell werks4me
 
@rightfold Image needs more JPEG
 
user1804599
@sehe ?
 
Ell
specifically impress
 
10:08 PM
@rightfold I know why you can only rubber-duck with him: 7 answers in 2y6m
 
Ell
the custom animation on paragraphs is just awful :S
 
Why are you animating presentations
 
@rightfold works for avatars
 
user1804599
He has a Haskell internship.
 
user1804599
@Ell Use Keynote.
 
10:09 PM
PDF
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus just making them appear when I press space
 
@rightfold I'm assuming you don't mean this then
 
user1804599
Emacs works fine for presentations as well.
 
Animations in presentations is the stupidest thing ever
 
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Rubber duck debugging, rubber ducking, and the rubber duckie test are informal terms used in software engineering to refer to a method of debugging code. The name is a reference to a story in the book The Pragmatic Programmer in which a programmer would carry around a rubber duck and debug his code by forcing himself to explain it, line-by-line, to the duck. Many programmers have had the experience of explaining a programming problem to someone else, possibly even to someone who knows nothing about programming, and then hitting upon the solution in the process of explaining the problem. In describing...
 
@CatPlusPlus but! if you show more distracting things, people will stay more focused!
 
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@CatPlusPlus They can be useful. I liked them in Temporally Quaquaversal Virtual Nanomachine.
 
> Watch in horror as Damian writes a Perl program
4
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus it's hardly animation
 
At least the presenter can feel better knowing that the audience, though distracted, might still partly have been distracted due to his presentation :)
@rightfold that's not animating the presentation though
 
10:12 PM
@rightfold Oh, go on then.
 
user1804599
@sehe Indeed. It’s animated images.
 
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@Jefffrey I asked something on Code Review and after taking a shower I came up with a major improvement.
 
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But I am still seeking more improvements.
 
@rightfold much better than this definition
 
-2
A: Why is a constructor necessary in a const member struct?

AbdulWhen we talk about CONSTANT and FINAL key words then such type of variables just accept the initialization not the assignment. So in C++ its must to initialize the CONSTANT variables at object initialization time whether compiler will through the exception because C++ have no auto initialization ...

I'm having a hard time figuring out what exactly they're trying to say in the first place.
@Jefffrey What even
 
10:16 PM
Please correct and mention the main psyche of CONSTANTS and compiler working against it, please explain it to the standards. — Abdul 27 mins ago
nice
 
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@sehe It may surprise you that people also see me not as my avatar.
 
I'm especially not sure why random words are uppercased
 
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@chris Because he is a fucking idiot. That’s why.
 
Oh, I got beaten to that one.
Why do you randomly uppercase words? — milleniumbug 1 min ago
 
@rightfold I'd be surprised if people observing you has to do with your gender. What are you, Schrödinger's LGBT?
 
10:18 PM
JAVA
 
too bad there's no button to ban oneself from chat.

it's sad to be thrown away by the ones you respect the more.
but if really i'm just disturbing... spamming...

excuse me again. I think i also have to excuse from all my cognac things. but it's hard to remember.

thank you sehe, ricardo, etienne, and light race.
your being rude is your being right. it's helpful.

However awkward and wrong I was:
I just remember I just came to be in touch with great spirits here.

If I ever dare to come back, please act accordingly.
 
BRILLANT
 
@CatPlusPlus Putting Java in all uppercase letters in a question tagged C++ is like paying people to downvote you.
 
People dum
 
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@sehe Just pointing out that changing my avatar doesn’t affect me in real-life.
 
10:20 PM
Ah. I didn't say anything like that, AFAICT
 
user1804599
Don’t forget we still live in a world with morons and uneducated people who give way too many fucks about traits of other people that actually don’t affect them at all.
 
Yeah. Morons. They should stop doing so. Who cares wheter people are happy. Or die.
Many traitors fuck other people, without affection
 
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Oh right, it’s lame pun Friday already.
 
Always
 
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@sehe Lucky I won’t ever have to use that or similar products.
 
Mmm. Perl is doing things right.
sub is_prime ($n) {
      return all($n % any(2..$n-1)) != 0;
}
 
user1804599
Is that Perl 6?
 
user1804599
And why is there return in there?
 
It's gonna be hard to reason about runtime cose though
 
user1804599
Junctions are very nice in Perl 6.
 
10:25 PM
@rightfold I think so...
 
user1804599
if $x == 1 | 2 | 3 { … } is so awesome.
 
user1804599
It’s almost like COBOL!
 
user1804599
Oh btw Scala has type providers on steroids in the very near future.
 
user1804599
Yeah, I’ve seen it.
 
10:27 PM
I know
 
user1804599
Can you please edit, delete and repost that message five times again?
 
user1804599
Just to make sure I get a sufficient amount of pings.
 
Ell
@rightfold Bu type providers?
 
user1804599
@Ell You can do I/O at compile-time and generate types.
 
Ell
IO at compile time eh
 
10:28 PM
@sehe @rightfold Probably a dumb example
 
user1804599
For example you can parse a file containing a database schema and create types mapping that.
 
Ell
generate types eh
that's cool
 
@JohanLarsson woooh. A-propos: thanks for the effort o.O
 
user1804599
What’s even more awesome. With the same machinery you can do this:
 
Ell
compile time as in compiling to bytecode?
 
user1804599
10:29 PM
var x: SInt(1) = null
x = 2 // error since 2 ≠ 1
x = 1 // fine
 
@sehe I expect at least ten questions of which I will fail at answering seven. Re used some code so there can be huge dumbs
 
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@Ell No, of course not. Fuck low-level shit.
 
@JohanLarsson not too optimist!
 
user1804599
It works through macros (no not CPP).
 
Ell
@rightfold SInt?
 
user1804599
10:30 PM
Singleton type of the given integer.
 
user1804599
The most derived type of 1 is SInt(1), which has only one value which is 1.
 
user1804599
Every value has as its most derived type its singleton type.
 
user1804599
This is fun since you can overload on literals.
 
Ell
ohh I see
cool :P
 
user1804599
def f(n: SInt(1)) = println("Love you!")
def f(n: SInt(2)) = println("Fuck you!")
f(1) // prints “Love you!”
f(2) // prints “Fuck you!”
f(3) // compile-time error
 
Ell
10:33 PM
that's pretty dern cool
 
nice
 
@sehe ping when you have it ready to run, it is not obvious what happens
 
Ell
Can you do it with any literal?
 
user1804599
You can do type T = FromJSONSchema("schema.json") and then use T as a type generated from the schema in schema.json.
 
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3 mins ago, by rightfold
Every value has as its most derived type its singleton type.
 
user1804599
10:34 PM
So yes.
 
user1804599
I think It’s like singleton classes in Ruby except statically typed.
 
how many Žižeks can dance on the head of a pin?
 
@JohanLarsson monodevelop is making it ... interesting i.imgur.com/IMPnui0.png
And it's 00:35am
 
user1804599
More useful is the singleton type of this.
 
user1804599
10:36 PM
class B { def f(): B = this; def g(): this.type = this }
class D extends B
val d = new D
val x: D = d.f() // does not compile; returns static type B (which is not a subtype of D)
val y: D = d.g() // compiles; returns static type d.type (which is a subtype of D)
 
Ell
that's cool as well
 
@sehe I'll be around for a couple of years :) just ping when you start playing with it
 
Ell
when is this all arriving?
 
@JohanLarsson cheers :)
 
user1804599
SInt and FromJSONSchema is soon.
 
10:38 PM
ha
 
user1804599
x.type for any variable x is already possible.
 
ITT robot could feel very very bad tomorrow
Also, why does [Esc]k not goto the previous message
 
user1804599
In Safari escape exits from full-screen mode.
 
user1804599
It’s fucking annoying.
 
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10:40 PM
Good think I use Chrome.
 
@rightfold how does he do that
 
Ell
I'm getting tired but I must practise
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Either he uses advanced presentation software, or he uses animated GIFs or movies.
 
@rightfold I mean the 0 time fibonacci thing
 
user1804599
Oh. He doesn’t.
 
10:41 PM
@Jefffrey it's miraculously powers of two then
 
user1804599
The code is just so efficient that it looks like it’s instantaneous.
 
@rightfold yeah, but how
 
memoization
 
user1804599
Which minute and second is it?
 
around 24' - the 'whilst' gimmick
 
10:43 PM
@rightfold 23:42
nevermind
got it
 
user1804599
Ugh.
 
user1804599
Video player written by incompetent assholes.
 
user1804599
Whatever.
 
@JohanLarsson Don't commit packages with NuGet :v
I like Windsor better than Ninject
 
user1804599
I tried Windsor once and Mono segfaulted.
 
10:45 PM
@CatPlusPlus other reason than disk space?
 
> sort of like a cake decorator (but with toxic metal).
 
@CatPlusPlus I can hardly tell Structuremap, Ninject & Windsor apart
@CatPlusPlus flame all you can :effort: btw :)
 
It's fine. I probably wouldn't use WPF for an example like that but w/e
 
Ell
what is that indian book called again?
there is a chapter on sex
but it's mostly about indian history
 
@CatPlusPlus ah, not gonna work on linux then :)
 
10:49 PM
ok writing a testproject then, refuse to do console apps
@sehe nUnit works right?
 
Ell
kama sutra!
 
@JohanLarsson yup
 
VS 2013 != ok?
 
user1804599
Use F#.
 
I wish
 
10:51 PM
@JohanLarsson it's ok, but I don't have it at home. And at work I'd need to fire up windows :)
 
user1804599
Or F*.
 
@sehe the error you posted said something about 2013
 
user1804599
2013 is the past.
 
user1804599
2014 is all the rage right now.
 
@JohanLarsson oh. I didn't post an error. I posted the editor of Monodevelop showing the sln file
 
10:55 PM
it has never occurred to me
but apparently doxygen uses Clang to parse the C++ files.
  const int maxIndent=1000000; // value representing infinity
 
Why do you think it uses Clang
 
because I'm looking at the source now
 
Ell
lol
 
Must be something recent
 
^
 
10:59 PM
So many global variables.
well, so much for this patch idea.
March 24th, 2013 apparently.
 
@sehe Maybe this works better, 'tests' in Samples.cs
 
MonoDevelop Build Tool
File 'IoCBoxNoUi.csproj' is not a project or solution.
... it'll have to wait
I'm dividing my attention as it is
 
TIL, to duplicate the current line in VS, it's Ctrl-C, followed by Ctrl-V
 
@chris yyp or YP
 
@sehe Sorry?
 
11:09 PM
stackoverflow.com/a/2279036/85371 I have VsVim/ViEmu everywhere
 
@sehe I have Y fixed.
 
Oh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ?
 
And yeah, they removed macros
I really need to try to learn Vim again
 
Ell
I need to learn to use it properly
I can use it but slowly
 
11:10 PM
D is d$, C is c$, but Y is yy by default.
 
Ell
I still use arrowkeys instead of hjkl
 
Nothing like freaking out some person who doesn't know Vim exists
I'm used to ctrl-shift-D for duplicate
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like Y. I hate $ in any composition. It's awkward to hit. I almost prefer End
 
Ell
I'm used to ctrl-c ctrl-v
 
Just trying to make VS's editor a bit more Sublime like atm
 
11:11 PM
why does every history book have so much religion?
 
Ell
but now I have to do esc, v, "+y, "+p
 
@sehe I bet that's why D and C exist.
 
Since I haven't used VS for how long now and I've gotten used to Sublime in that time
 
@Ell set clipboard=unnamed
 
@Crow you read the wrong books. Also, religion happens in history
 
11:12 PM
@Ell Also, unless you want to copy things out of vim, "+ is useless.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :) Now that you mention it, Y as y$ would be... rather nice
@Ell "+Y
 
@sehe it's for a class. The class is dumb.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, I have a habbit of assuming everything I have copied can be pasted anywhere (including out of vim)
so I do it by habbit now
 
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Ell set clipboard=unnamed
 
@Crow Thanks for informing me.
 
Ell
11:13 PM
I never know when I'll need to paste something out of vim :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes I will do this when I get home :P
 
welp time for sleep
night all
 
Ell
@Puppy night :)
 
@sehe The only reason it is yy is vi compatibility.
 
Great, can't even use Ctrl-/ for toggling comments
Oh well, still much better than the defaults
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes a lot of it is. Have to nnoremapped it or is it in Vim-sensible or similar?
 
Ell
11:15 PM
I wonder, do we have any scheme users in this room
 
Have to map it.
 
Okay
 
@Ell Almost, but I made it into SE instead of CS
I guess since my boss is obsessed with SICP, I could read that and learn some.
 
@rightfold okay, didn't really notice the animations, so I guess: well done. OTOH I really didn't like the whole presentation much.
It just seems like a lot of wanking that would impress me much more in C++ (and would be more fun too). And I never like magician shows.
(the final square root Rod Logic bluff thing strikes me as completely wrong/broken anyways)
 
Is Specflow any good?
 
11:35 PM
anyone else get problems with ubuntu freezing like crazy?
 
i avoided it by never using it
 
This video is turning out to be more amusing than anticipated.
 
Ell
I need to sleep
 
no you don't. never sleep. I never sleep and look how I turned out
 
@Rapptz, Have you had any luck with Sublime's colouring? I've looked at it and played around with it, but for example, colouring macro usages would be really nice.
 
11:50 PM
You'd have to customise the tmLanguage
I've been meaning on making my own but it's a loooot of work
I use C++11.tmLanguage atm
I don't like it though
 
Silly question over which I'm discussing all day with my colleagues: Given two functions f and g, if they have the same domain and for each element of the domain x, f(x) = g(x), then the range is the same.
Isn't that right?
(mathematical functions)
 
Ell
No
lets say f(x) = 2 * x
oh wait
yeah
if f(x) = g(x)
 
@Rapptz Is there any way to actually pick out macro usages and stuff like that?
 
Ell
then the functions are the same
 
Having something like Clang's AST available for colouring would seem to be so useful.
 

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