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Ell
7:00 PM
I think it's useful too
 
It seems there's only "build automation software"
but in reality I've just called them build systems and meta build systems
 
That's enterprisey term for a build system
 
Though CI might fall under that too
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
7:02 PM
When people say "make" they usually mean GNU make right?
 
Fuck off, Zugverspätung.
 
Ell
@Rapptz yeah
I didn't know there were any other makes
which might mean I'm wrong :P
 
But whenever I read stuff related to make the comments are always like "don't assume GNU Make! Us BSD people don't use it" or something
 
I wanna be home and change these wet clothes :(
 
Ell
oh right
 
Xeo
7:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you leak oil?
 
(The process involves nudity, btw)
 
@Rapptz They desperately want to be relevant but alas
 
-9
Q: Not hard Java algorithm

SeREGaGLaZthe input is a sequence of numbers. they may be no greater than 60,000. after entering the next number I need to know index of this number in sorted series currently. for example sequence: 1 4 6 2 3 4 1 - zero 4 - the first 6 - second 2 - the first 3 - second 4 - the fourth How can th...

It's something they asked me at an interview and I couldn't answer. Same story? — Alex 17 secs ago
 
Unsurprisingly, the http://rim.jobs domain is already taken.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Entschuldigung!
 
Aaaand I'm at Standmite now.
 
Xeo
7:07 PM
Poor cosh. I wonder if we'll find a Standmite at the next Unconference place too
 
that's what she said
(sorry for the delay. Putzverspätung)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are you meeting up with the pirate?
 
I've felt strong urges to vandalize the signs to "fix" them.
 
holy fuck did this question get a lot of upvotes :O
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Q: Which is faster: while(1) or while(2)?

Nikole This was an interview question asked by a senior manager. Which is faster? while(1) { // some code } or while(2) { //some code } I said that both have the same execution speed, as the expression inside while should finally evaluate to true or false. In this case, both evaluate to true an...

 
It was on Hacker News.
But like seriously, where the hell are all the good performance questions.
There used to be about one a month. Now they're all shit.
 
7:11 PM
@Mysticial why is my code slow
 
y kant code fast
 
because effort
 
Is Sublime Text any good for C++ development?
 
use wide noob
 
Because Kant is dead.
Or was it Nietzsche?
 
7:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That makes his code fast?
 
Damn Internets ruining my timing.
 
@StackedCrooked I use it.
I think I'm the only regular that does.
 
@StackedCrooked I use it for C++ as well.
 
The package ecosystem is biased towards web technologies or scripting languages.
 
hmm
 
7:14 PM
But the editor has some support for C++ since it was programmed in it. Rest can be found through plug-ins.
 
@Rapptz I gave it a short try and it seems like a great editor. But seems to be lacking at intellisense and project management..? (I only had a brief look.)
 
VS has too much IntelliSense.
 
like that one
 
@Rapptz I use it. Works great.
 
7:16 PM
For IntelliSense you can use SublimeClang or ClangComplete.
 
@StackedCrooked I use it, as a general-purpose text editor.
 
hmm
the EH for Wide generated functions is totally broken.
 
I tried Atom in lieu of vim but it's still extremely meh
 
I prefer ClangComplete to SublimeClang, but I can't remember why.
 
The author of SublimeClang is lame
and it's kind of buggy
 
7:17 PM
Maybe it had more support for newer stuff
 
Also TIL that clang's smarts in XCode still suffer from some of the same illnesses as IntelliSense in Visual Studio.
 
like what?
 
Namely, "go to definition" also occasionally leads you to random code in the middle of nowhere.
 
Ell
lol
 
go to definition in VS often gives you the declaration, but I've not had "random in the middle of nowhere".
 
7:19 PM
I used Clang yesterday to output AST and it seemed pretty nice.
 
Clang has a switch for it IIRC
 
I've been sent to things like vector::begin when asking for the definition of a vector member.
 
@Rapptz I was supposed to sleep, but I got caught up in watching the video about Clang's AST
 
Just try it from a range-based loop.
 
Clang's AST is totally fucked and not really an AST at all.
 
7:20 PM
Visual Basic has better type inference than Scala - Erik Meijer #LambdaJam
Dat burn
 
Ell
is gcc and intel's AST totally fucked and not really an AST at all?
 
GCCs definitely is totally fucked and somewhat not an AST.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It is afraid to tell you it doesn't know where the code is so it picks a random location and hopes for the best.
 
dunno about ICC.
 
It was also funny when Xcode crashed and my boss just said unfazed "Xcode crashed. It's not as bad as it used to be."
 
7:22 PM
@Puppy Why's that?
 
@Rapptz It doubles as their semantic tree. For example, if you have an Expression node in the AST, it has a type and other semantic properties, even though it's a syntax tree (supposedly).
 
Qt Creator is frustrating. Over the years it made steps forward and then back again.
New Qt version? All fonts are gonna be messed up for 1,5 years.
New Qt Creator version completely freezes when you use it on a mounted directory.
 
Qt Creator's Ctrl + K thing is nice
 
though it's just Ctrl + P and Ctrl + Shift + P on Sublime Text
 
7:24 PM
Also alt-enter is cool
 
honestly
 
What does "mounted directory" mean?
 
Clang is so fucking annoying, I would re-implement it in a heartbeat if it wouldn't take so long.
 
You can't use it in unmounted filesystems, I hope.
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah it is.
 
7:25 PM
A directory which points to a remote server.
 
but honestly I'd probably get pissed off having to implement stuff like, function declarations inside functions, and end up just not supporting the feature, and then not supporting real-world code.
 
But the latest Qt Creator's intellisense is triggered way more often and it blocks the GUI while searching for matches.
This kills the programming.
 
It's like it isn't made by programmers!
 
Ell
I need to setup an LDAP server
 
The amount of programming software tools written by non-programmers never ceases to amaze me.
 
Ell
7:27 PM
woo my chinese is here
boo I forgot to order water
woo I'm in england I just remembered
 
Adventures of Ell
 
Ell
woo the hotel provided plastic cups, I'm save
 
congratulations on successfully noting your host country
even I manage to remember what nation I live in.
despite my very best efforts
 
Ell
I came back from spain early this morning and then got on a train, it's not my fault I don't know where I am!
 
Trains usually tell you where you are.
 
Ell
7:31 PM
@StackedCrooked If only I could understand what the indian man on the speaker was saying :P
 
And they don't have spoiler warnings.
 
you ended up in India?
 
Ruins all the fun.
 
Ell
my fortune cookie said "A person that lives well will live longer"
 
@StackedCrooked NFS mounts and alike are always unreliable as shit
 
7:32 PM
I use sshfs.
 
Stop editing things in production and you won't have this problem
:v
 
I can't program the server code on my laptop.
 
Sure you can
 
I'm talking about work, not Coliru.
Coliru is always live edited.
 
Ell
where is coliru source again?
 
7:34 PM
code.google.com/p/coliru
 
> How is sizeof implemented in C/C++? It cannot be a run-time function. Is it a macro? (what I learned in a online tutorial vedio).
Stupid online tutorial vedios.
 
it's an ancient incantation
 
Ell
I don't know how people stand video tutorials
 
I often speedup playback for those.
 
I don't know how people who don't know C++ think it's a good idea to contaminate the minds of new people.
 
Ell
7:36 PM
> Coliru is short for compile-link-run
this is great
I never knew this
 
they think they know C++
so they try to be helpful and teach their knowledge to others
it's not like they're actively trying to be malicious, it just happened by chance.
 
My latest Coliru code is this. It's my project so nobody can stop me.
 
lol
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked I can fork it and send you a pull request.
 
Ell
haha
what if someone were to write a competing project?
 
user1804599
7:40 PM
You will have to accept it otherwise you won’t be my friend anymore.
 
I wish I had an alternative to Doxygen.
 
user1804599
@Ell like coliru.com? :)
 
Wakely for the win here
 
It enables me keep a count of Coliru boots. This enables me to perform a certain cleanup task at every %n reboot.
 
@Mysticial Is that even a legitimate performance question?
 
7:40 PM
@Ell I recently learned about a copycat site named Ideone.
 
@Chimera Not even close.
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked hehe
 
@Chimera Nope.
 
@Chimera Ahahaha no
 
user1804599
Ideone > Coliru because Ideone has scalac and Coliru doesn’t.
 
7:41 PM
@StackedCrooked Oh you. Just include an evercookie with every client's session and you'll be absolutely sure you never lose track
 
@rightfold I really think that was a low move by them.
 
Yeah didn't think so. Seems like some weird interview tactic.
 
user1804599
Email them!
 
user1804599
DDoS them until they give you the domain!
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah it's definitely pretty scummy.
 
7:42 PM
@rightfold Yeah, great plan.
 
user1804599
Blackmail them!
 
I should inform them of their "typo".
 
@rightfold Racist!!!!
 
However, it's not certain that codepad did it.
 
20 minutes to my first codementor session
feeling a bit nervous
 
user1804599
7:42 PM
Codepad link & run.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is it online? Can we watch?
 
@Chimera it's 1:1
 
Stream it
 
user1804599
Make it 1:*.
 
Ell
@rightfold the fuck
 
7:43 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol
I suppose I could
but that would just make me more nervous
 
@sahazel acquiring coliru .com and making it redirect to codepad without consent of the Coliru project lead makes you look bad. #loungecpp
Please retweet, legions
 
@BartekBanachewicz Please do! I'm sure we could learn a lot.
 
@StackedCrooked But we might soon find out
 
@Chimera you're free to request a private session :D
no but really it's gonna be boring OpenGL stuff
 
@BartekBanachewicz :D
 
7:45 PM
Just my luck. The video that allegedly said sizeof is a macro is in Chinese.
 
Not sure if I want to read up to context.
ITT Bartek is a hooker?
 
@Chimera You wanna.. request some one on one time?
2
 
What else is new
 
@sehe Oh, accusing him is also a way to make him speak up in case he didn't do it. Nice move.
 
Puppy too?
 
7:45 PM
lol
 
user1804599
@sehe a bad language feature.
 
Puppy applied to become a (code) hooker
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes he's not been approved yet
 
haven't responded to me yet.
 
@StackedCrooked I'd have said "makes codepad look bad" but it didn't fit into 140 chars. Honest.
 
7:46 PM
heya
 
user1804599
Codesad.
 
@rightfold zing
 
user1804599
nee
 
user1804599
ik kan niet zingen
 
Heus wel.
 
user1804599
7:46 PM
Kop dicht.
 
Nie mauwe
 
@sehe pretty good case of trademark violation there
 
omelette du fromage
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I want to watch :(
 
@StackedCrooked send them a C&D
 
7:47 PM
@Mgetz except, there's no trademark. [sic]
 
I actually joined a choir once. Love-sickness makes people do the weirdest stuff.
 
Ahahaha trademark violation
 
:) Good job. I conduct one.
And that ended up getting me married. So, it could be inverse correlation
 
@StackedCrooked did you find love?
 
@sehe but there is, if you use a name in business and it is associated with that business it is a trademark even if it is not asserted
 
7:48 PM
I shall propose a settlement of 5M USD.
 
@Mgetz Not really
 
@Mgetz I know. Pretty weak case here
 
Also not a business
 
@Ell that's gonna be as boring as me streaming me answering SO questions :P
 
hobby project
 
7:48 PM
@JohanLarsson Nope.
 
@sehe oh I know given that he didn't assert the trademark prior
 
@JohanLarsson Well, sort of. But it's ugly.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I want to watch still :P
 
More importantly, who cares
 
@Mgetz also, given the absense of large economic interests
 
user1804599
7:49 PM
I don’t find love.
 
@StackedCrooked maybe you should tell them how safe it is? webutations.info/go/review/coliru.stacked-crooked.com
 
More people finding Coliru is higher server cost :v
 
@TonyTheLion They took that screenshot at a weird time.
 
Boredom looms.
 
7:50 PM
I saw that.
 
ermahgerd rightfold bought coliru.com
 
user1804599
crap
 
Let's play "let's ban the JS room bot for being stupid"
 
@CatPlusPlus @StackedCrooked should add ads at some point
 
user1804599
I saw wood.
 
7:51 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think that would work well.
 
How much have you made through donations?
 
user1804599
One website.
 
Six arts
 
user1804599
Compile, Link, Run for your fucking live since you invoked UB.
 
7:52 PM
The little donate button made me over 300 EUR over a period of 6 months.
 
@StackedCrooked this room?
 
that's not bad
how much does the hosting set you back?
 
Around 50 EUR / month.
 
pretty well balanced then
 
ho much is a domain?
 
7:53 PM
Domain is dirt
It's not even registering on the cost chart
 
it's a subdomain too
 
You'd need like 50 domains before you started to feel their cost
 
domains are $13/year here
for .net/.com
 
@Puppy It's only 5 donations in total ranging from 10 to 150 EUR.
 
7:54 PM
@StackedCrooked Where is that btw?
 
user1804599
Buy coliru.sexy.
 
Rackspace.
Originally slicehost but they were taken over.
 
Rackspace is p expensive
 
user1804599
Rackspace is nice.
 
7:55 PM
@rightfold coli.ru?
4
 
user1804599
e.coli.ru
 
Which server is that
 
Rackspace has excellent web UI though.
 
> Worst case: my customers send me screen shots to illustrate bugs in software. I tell them to redact the sensitive personal info with black boxes before sending. They do this in MS Word with a black rectangle (vector) over the pasted screen shot. sigh
@StackedCrooked meh. Who needs it? I have EC2, linode, vpsland, xlshosting, yourhosting and tilaa and I rarely hit one of their websites. Maybe 4x a year. Distint sites
 
Yeah.
 
7:56 PM
@StackedCrooked Is it worth 50 euro a month?
 
I don't know how to judge that.
 
What are the specs
 
Apparently yes because I pay this much.
 
@JohanLarsson that's a beauty
 
@StackedCrooked Is it a VPS or dedicated server?
 
7:57 PM
I also have a linode which is currently unused.
 
@StackedCrooked I use and like linode.com
 
Speeecs
 
@CatPlusPlus 1024 MB RAM, 40 GB Disk
 
@CatPlusPlus I just relinquished some 5 domains. Some of them were still "subscribed" until 2017 but I no longer had a use, and I don't want to "block" them (and risk silently extending the lease on them)
 
That is horrible
 
7:58 PM
Indeed.
mind boggled.
You're even sloppier with your IT costs than me. And _that's_ quite an achievement
 
Hetzner EX60 is 48GB RAM and 2x2TB and 20TB inclusive traffic for 59€/mo
 
Ell
lolol
 
We're running on EX40 with 32GB RAM which is 10€ cheaper
But it has a setup fee
 
^^^ linode VPS
 
7:59 PM
EX60 is probably better if you don't want to run ESXi
 

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