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nwp
8:00 PM
also add some braces, we're not code golfing
 
#define DIV(a, b) DIV_##a(b)
#define DIV_3(b) (!(b%3))
better?
 
no.
terrible macro shite
 
well let's see
 
then I can do DIV(3, 6) instead of DIV_3(6)
 
8:02 PM
macros are a giant pile of piss and fish ejaculate, and then you've used them in a totally random way for absolutely no benefit whatsoever.
 
nwp
why invent a macro when you have a perfectly good operator %?
 
@nwp my macro wraps the operator
@nwp you said it was too confusing so I changed the operator into macros
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but why the fuck would you ever want to do that, and especially why the fuck would you want to do it with a macro
 
@thepiercingarrow for no good reason
stop "inventing" non-solutions to non-problems
 
@Griwes @nwp said it was too confusing
 
8:03 PM
get out of my face
 
nwp
the macros are less clear than the % operator, I meant to criticize having 3 conditionals in a printf, not that % is too hard to understand
 
adding macros never makes anything less confusing.
 
I'm too tired of "confused" people on the committee to bother with people who are just bad at programming.
 
the only time using a macro is the least possible evil is when there are no other evils available.
 
its this revision
 
8:04 PM
@Griwes oh you gotta name some names here
 
@Griwes I'm not actually bad at programming
 
@TemplateRex Nah, you being here means you know those names perfectly. :P
 
@Puppy because it was too confusing. :)
 
@thepiercingarrow yes, you are, that macro nonsense proves it
 
@Griwes i'm not here, just watching
 
8:05 PM
@TemplateRex aaaah
 
@thepiercingarrow Where did he say that, all I see is him telling you line 9 was too complicated and it operator% wasnt the problem.
 
Now see, that made me one of the "confused people on the committee" and that's your fault. :P
 
@thepiercingarrow as I said, get out of my face plonk
 
@Griwes i must say that the whole op== and ufcs discussion got really heated and interesting to observe
 
8:06 PM
@Griwes I'm great at programming
 
cough dunning kruger cough
 
Ven
That you might be!
But you're surely not as good as our Telkitty.
We have people here who single-handedly published games on both android and ios.
 
Not everyone can be as awesome as Cat++
 
Cat++ certainly isn't
 
Not saying I'm better than anyone here, but compared to the average guy, I'm pretty good.
 
8:08 PM
Average person or average programmer?
 
lol!
says the guy who just wrapped his operators in macros to make them less confusing.
if you're pretty good compared to the average guy, the average guy probably can't even type.
5
 
Ven
... That's literally probably true.
 
8:22 PM
*average programmer
ummm how did that get 5 stars??
 
doesn't really change my response in any way, I thought that "programmer" was implied.
 
nwp
@thepiercingarrow it is roughly equivalent to "The patient had a headache, so we removed the head."
@Puppy I think he is talking about his message, not yours
 
this is one of those joke sites right?
 
8:37 PM
that footage is from the BBC livestream
 
So... he really is a massive idiot?
 
yeah
 
sigh
 
there's a lot of theory at the moment that the Leave vote was about people who voted to fuck the establishment and didn't really want to brexit
 
nwp
every vote should have a fuck you option that appears in the results to prevent that
 
Ven
8:44 PM
As in, not voting.
 
nwp
not voting is different
because it just doesn't count
 
Ven
@thepiercingarrow holy batman you're bad :o
 
nwp
20% for leaving, 30% for staying, 50% for fuck you is way different than 40% leave 60% stay
 
Ven
That's only because they don't give numbers for non-voters
 
they do
the referendum had a 71.8% turnout- so 28.2% did not vote.
 
Ven
8:48 PM
I meant in @nwp's example
 
nwp
so they had less than 50% who voted leave actually
 
@Puppy Not bad. I don't remember how many people voted during the latest elections in France, but probably not that much.
 
Holy shit I'm a bad programmer but even then I still realize how shitty open-sourced library patches are
 
it's a much bigger turnout than regular elections
 
nwp
@OneRaynyDay such as?
 
8:50 PM
if (containsField(e, m, "doc")) std::string doc = containsField(e, m, "doc")? getDoc(e, m) : "";
if statement repeated inside of the same if statement...
 
We had roughly 50% abstention during the latest regional elections.
 
They have code reuse of about 5%, because they make a new function for the subroutine that could be done with telescoping
 
I am debugging a program
 
And many times they break the original specification's rules, such as use a long when really the library says to use int64_t
 
it runs fine whenever I execute ./a.out
but when I run gdb, I always get:
readline: readline_callback_read_char() called with no handler!
Debugger abort trap: 6
once I reach my scanf call
 
8:52 PM
Switch statements everywhere that does the same thing when really you could make a subroutine for the same logical branching
 
I'm a bad girl.
 
@thepiercingarrow hmm, possible hints include that you called the function with no handler.
Have you tried googling "readline_callback_read_char() called with no handler"?
 
@thepiercingarrow bro you are asking to get kicked out of this chat... I think I'm a relatively reasonable person when I ask for help and I get destroyed...
If you ask this kind of thing you're gonna feel people's wrath here
 
@thepiercingarrow what version do you have?
"Pedro Alves 2014-11-04 17:07:08 UTC
I fixed a bunch of bugs that ended in that assertion failing, in 7.8, and then a few more in 7.8.1 and mainline."
Do you know who Pedro Alves is, @thepiercingarrow?
"Pedro Alves - GDB maintainer, software developer, electronics engineer, songwriter, guitar player, runner, husband, father."
A simple google search for "Pedro Alves GDB" turns up the result.
I advise you to learn how to Google, you won't receive a friendly reception next time you ask google-able questions.
Go away
 
@thepiercingarrow about pedro alves?
 
8:59 PM
@TemplateRex I think "I'm on top of it" is a bit vacuous after the fact. Acknowledge The Pain. "I'm sorry I heard the demo didn't go as hoped. That was painful and I've been thinking how we can avoid such glitches from reaching the demo next time. Here's a plan... (test plans, regression, code freeze, smoke tests whatever) and of course I've been fixing most/all of the issues that were reported after the demo" /cc @Puppy
 
uh... i dont think he would have a wikipedia page, but that just shows that you need to learn how to google since wikipedia isnt the only place to get your answer
 
What helps me is to make it clear "we're in it together" up front. If you look bad, it hurts me too.
Do you live in 1998?
technet was missing :)
 
Ven
@thepiercingarrow well because your code's bad, lol
 
unless MDN means something else today
 
anyways - the first time I realize I'm being this, I put it on the top of my bookmark:
 
Ven
9:02 PM
@Morwenn i find you very nice ❤️
 
skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/e/eoc/help_vampire.htm until you realize you're this, you're gonna get people to tell you to go away and it's not me who's going to be saying that
 
@thepiercingarrow Oh. Okay. Carry on
 
YOU SHOULD GOOGLE IT.
 
Rule #1: help vampires are the only ones who ever claim "I'm not a help vampire"
Did you try shouting?
Pffft. I didn't say you're a help vampire. But you did say you're not one.
 
9:04 PM
Stop stop, you haven't even read the link I sent you yet
Also 90% of what sehe says is sarcasm or witticism
 
Ven
@sehe i'm a help vampire. :(
 
@thepiercingarrow Stop right now. You can't argue your perception. It's a lost cause if you have to and it only demonstrates entitlement. To spell it out this time: I'm not saying you shouldn't feel entitled, just that arguing why you are is not ever going to work.
 
@Ven Back the bad ol' time where « bad » meant « good » :D
 
@OneRaynyDay I cannot halt laughing and I have not finished the second paragraph yet.
 
Let me count you the ways :)
Poetry. Hmmm. More code. Bye for now
 
9:06 PM
Count Dracula is a vampire.
 
@JossieCalderon right? the link is basically enumerating exactly, word by word what he's saying right now in parallel
 
You should go to the JavaScript room, thepiercingarrow. They actually like help vampires (which is most odd!)
 
Ven
@Morwenn you're as bad as the powerglove ;)
 
@thepiercingarrow I thought you meant Microsoft Developer Network. Yup. I dated myself
@JossieCalderon I'm not convinced he is one. Maybe, right now he's got to do more reading, but he has been around a while.
 
@Ven Wow, the powerglove reference takes me back to... nowhere. I never had one nor had friends who had one .___.
 
9:09 PM
I just noticed the anti-pattern of yelling in desperation and insisting "I'm not a vampire". Since I came into the chat, @thepiercingarrow was the first person to even mention vampires
That's fine. I didn't assume that. And it doesn't change the observation: it doesn't help to resist.
Show, don't whine tell.
 
not sure how to react being pinged three times in a row by the same user.
 
@sehe Not everybody does sex tapes.
 
@JossieCalderon I'd suggest to ignore the plinks.
@Morwenn Me neither, but don't tell!
 
^ already did
 
I've found it works really well to just leave the tab for a bit. If something is worth responding to, it'll probably be worth responding to 10 minutes later
 
Ven
9:14 PM
@Morwenn I was born in '94, so it takes me back to nowhere as well... :P
 
Oh, right. I forgot.
 
Hey guys, opinion on having default values(just 1 in this case) in constructor parameters? I'm thinking the code reuse would be worth it, but I'm not a good programmer so I'm probably overlooking something
 
@OneRaynyDay versus what
 
@OneRaynyDay Not a probem. Just remember that you can also forward the values to other constructors. Also avoid default values in explicit constructor, otherwise too many constructors will needlessly be marked explicit.
 
@JossieCalderon Versus simple overloading of the constructor over and over. I'm seeing a lot of code duplication in this library and am trying to submit a patch to make the code a lot shorter and readable.
@Morwenn Thank you, yep I read about the explicit problem - in this case no explicit constructor.
 
nwp
9:28 PM
this laptop stand is pretty awesome, would recommend for anyone with a laptop on the couch/bed
 
As many as you want except leave one default constructor not marked with explicit (clearly)
 
@nwp Reminds me of this: youtu.be/SWWlEo0uIRg
And gotcha - thanks Jossie :)
 
question mark?
lazy? goodbye?
Congrats
So, now you'll have basically think.
 
sehe, why don't you ignore him?
 
And if you don't want to, why would I explain (although I already have, twice)
 
9:40 PM
@JossieCalderon for sehe it's nice cause he;s sarcastic
 
@JossieCalderon Why should I? I might soon, but I don't think it's mandatory.
Please stop noising.
37 messages moved to bin
 
:(
Does anyone have a question I can answer?
 
We have a site full of them. Stack Overflow
 
Cool lemme check it out
 
lol
 
9:43 PM
Meanwhile, I'm trying to squeeze in the commits of my day before battery runs dead. 36% and counting
 
If you can answer every question in that link, you'll get a lot of rep.
 
Not unless you actually do. And people see it. And it's not drivel. :)
 
@sehe sounds like good advice
need some google-fu: what is a comparison called that yields -1 0 +1 (instead of true/false)?
 
Ven
ordering?
 
comparison? ordering?
 
9:46 PM
Didn't there used to be a tab called "Unanswered Questions" ?
 
yes but with 3-way outcome, instead of boolean
 
@thepiercingarrow Nope. Yes. Maybe.
 
i'm searching for something like signum for tuples
now I'm testing for < and >, and if neither, then it's ==
but there should be more efficient algo
 
Hello all. Thoughts on brexit?
 
@TemplateRex There's a CppCon2014 presentation providing the algo.
 
9:49 PM
@Chimera there has been hours and hours of discussion that I've observed here about brexit
 
@Chimera I hope Scotland leaves the UK, then we can call it the K
 
you can look at the chat logs and make a novel out of it. have fun!
 
@TemplateRex The best I can find: three-way comparison en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-way_comparison#Trivia
 
@OneRaynyDay Lol ok.
 
@Chimera Hi. that's really long time no seen!
 
9:50 PM
@sehe I know right? How have you been?
 
@sehe tnx, I searched for it here, but not on Wikipedia :(
 
@Chimera Bearish. New job (since feb, but news for you)
 
@sehe congrats!
 
9:50 PM
@Morwenn ok lemme look
 
:) good job
 
Buying sehe's patience. 500 rep.
 
Back ordered. Sorry.
 
9:52 PM
@Morwenn do you remember title or author?
 
@TemplateRex I think it's somehere in this paper.
Yup, in the last pages.
 
@Morwenn std::spaceship lol
 
Yeah, that one :D
By the way, there is a standard proposal by Lawrence Crowl to add trinary comparators to the standard library for partial, weak, and total orders.
Not sure it covers tuples though.
 
@Morwenn hm, for scalar types you still have 2 comparisons, I guess there's no intrinsic that can do it in 1 cycle?
 
@TemplateRex If there is I never found any. I searched solutions though while trying to implement the trinary comparators proposal, but never found anything relevant :/
 
10:02 PM
@Morwenn yeah, I was confused by the claims that defining <= as == || < is equally efficient as !>
ok, well I'll go build myself a spacehip then <=>
 
If you ever find a brilliant solution, I'm interested.
 
@Morwenn Wikipedia: "Many processors have instruction sets that support such an operation on primitive types. "
I'll troll that page to require a source
 
@TemplateRex Please do. I never found anything relevant about that :)
> Intel instruction sets allow you to do one CMP and then multiple conditional jumps based on the flags, which is effectively a three-way comparison.
 
AVX512 will have 3-input conditional that maps to an 8-bit lookup table.
 
10:25 PM
Of course you'd know about every instruction ever :D
 
Ven
did he Mystify you?
 
Nope.
 
Ell
@Chimera h!
Hi
Long time no see
 
Ven
@Morwenn You'll be amazed by how *bad* I am.
At everything in life.
 
BadScript maintainer.
 
10:32 PM
yo
 
Ven
@Morwenn :(
hi jaggy
 
@jaggedSpire Flufflecutiepuffiejaggedfloofyspired! :D
 
@Ven hey you friendly ven
@Morwenn egads
 
Ven
Many adjectives were used with my name, but "friendly" isn't part of them...
 
how've you guys been?
there's a first time for everything
as seen by the numerous adjectives Morwenn sought fit to grant me <3
augh
I get used to the ubuntu mouse speed and now everything takes forever to navigate to on Windows
 
Ven
10:35 PM
that's because Morwenn is friendly.
@jaggedSpire disable hardware mouse accel. and increase speed?
 
probably will just increase the speed
 
@Ell Yeah... How's it going Ell?
 
@jaggedSpire Increase sensitivity on your mouse... duh
:P
 
yeah I increased it two notches and now I can no longer feel my life draining away as I move my pointer across the screen
 
Ven
makes "swoop" noises
 
10:43 PM
starts beatboxing, badly
 
lol
 
Battery down to 7%. Performing emergency weekend
Let's hope I did actually leave the adaptor in the office (weird, that never happens).
 
good luck
 
10:46 PM
I already feel tired. My body might be getting old.
 
If I'm older than you, then youre not old.
 
@Borgleader Weirdly apt. Puzzled by the pixels though
 
@Borgleader I want to know what's behind that plug in window.
is it sprites? pictures of people? pictures of dolls?
 
@Borgleader Doesn't wok that way :p
 
@Morwenn Yes, yes it does.
 
10:49 PM
wait you're 23 right
 
I'm 24.
 
so is Borg 24, 25, assimilated...?
 
I am 15.
15 is like the best age until I turn 16.
Then it is 16.
 
@Nooble Aaaw, love you :3
 
lol
 
10:53 PM
Oh, I need to eat now. Not sure I'll come back before tomorrow.
Later!
 
see ya
 
Oh man. I worry for the US
 
Happy midsummers to all you chaps. Sorry about the brexit to those concerned.
 
> > Sarah Palin Urges the US to Leave the United Nations
The former vice presidential candidate weighs in on Brexit.
 
why are you watching Fox News
 
10:59 PM
cough cough
 
are you feeling all right?
 
sorry cough cough I'm a bit sick (I'm serious I am actually coughing IRL)
 
actually I can't suggest a US TV news source that isn't terrible
 
I find it odd that not everyone share my end-game position that the world is governed democratically by one government.
 
I assume that's going to happen at some point or other, unless serious barriers on communication and trade are put/stay in place for long enough to keep things separate.
 
11:03 PM
@jaggedSpire Am I? That's news to me
 
but I'm scarcely an expert on people or their governments
@sehe oh good
 
@CaptainGiraffe It will never truly be like that. It's way to easy to create local pockets of reactionism
 
@sehe Indeed. But why is it never spoken of?
 
I think it's continuously spoken of. But there are too many stumbling blocks to say it out loud in the streets without (a) ruining reputation (b) ruining chances of anything like it happening
 
Well put.
 
11:07 PM
Honestly, I don't think that pipe dream is needed. Globablization and tighter coupling of governments is enough and much less contentious
 
@CaptainGiraffe but then who would we invade
 
Well that is how the progress must be put forward.
@LucDanton Rest assured, I'll be old as arthritic before you guys stop invading stuff.
 
@LucDanton other planets :D
those Martians have it coming
 
yesh those damn space commies
 
That young people significantly voted to #remain shows one thing - The modern education model is still tops at manufacturing ignorance.
 
11:12 PM
My gut tells me The Queens statements made the difference. Any thoughts?
 
That's a fun conversation piece /cc @JohanLarsson
 
didn't notice any important statements by the Queen
 
@sehe Erm...
 
And why the hell did the Queen say anything at all? To me it seems quite undemocratic
 
@Puppy That's what made the difference
 
11:13 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Not in the slightest.
as far as I'm concerned, the Queen is a British citizen who has every right to vote and campaign just like any other.
it's just not typically the done thing.
 
@sehe bryans post?
 
Didn't the queen say shed favor the brexit?
 
@JohanLarsson what else
 
maybe she did, I didn't really notice
but if she did then power to her frankly
 
@sehe Is this one of those troll accounts or smt?
 
11:17 PM
In sweden that would be a hugely inappropriate abuse of the kingship.
 
@Borgleader why? Look at this vid for some context
According to YouGov, 75% of young people voted to remain in the EU. These are some of their voices. #BrexitVote https://amp.twimg.com/v/c7b127af-4765-4540-9788-fb5ce6b9288c
 
@sehe I know about the stats. I'm talking about his ignorance claim.
 
That's quite popular thought stuff. "Schools don't strive for educated people, they strive for model citizens that are easy to govern and will serve the nation best"
 
his tweet is still idiotic though, since the young people aren't in control of the educational model.
 
There's a lot to be said for that. And all the tweet does is use that reasoning to discredit youngsters lamenting Brexit
 
11:21 PM
it's like, "You voted remain because you're an idiot caused by education system! This system brought to you by Vote Leave."
 
@Puppy How does that make it idiotic? "Me: You've been brainwashed" "You: irrelevant because I don't control the brainwash"?
@Puppy Mmm. I see. Lemme think. The linch pin of the argument would seem to be "ignorance". Yeah. It's subtly contradictory there. But not directly
 
it's not just that I don't control the brainwash, it's the people that control the brainwash that are voting the other way.
so they only have themselves to blame, really.
clearly if they wanted a Brexit and wanted to design a brainwashing school system they haven't done a very good job of it ;p
personally I am still hoping that Parliament overturns the result, but I imagine that to be spectacularly unlikely.
 
Chances of that happening 0+
 
yeah
technically they have the power to do so, but they won't.
 
We've all seen it, but I feel this description of dodging a check is appropriate youtube.com/watch?v=PeihcfYft9w
 
11:25 PM
I actually think that it would be a great thing if they did, not just about Brexit, but also about how fucked up our Parliament system is
teach them to vote against reforming it
 
It's so funny that Britain is the same nation that spent all it's time convincing colonies not to leave because "strength in unity".
 
I don't think we've actually done that in like, a hundred years or something
maybe sixty years for some of the more recent ones
 
@Puppy Maybe they'll instead negotiate some "status aparte" with the EU, but outside it. You know, like the last decennia but slightly differently labeled
 
yeah.
there's a big prevailing theory from the Remain camp that in order to gain any remotely good trade deals with the EU, we'd basically still have to be subject to their rules anyway.
 
There are no facts in the discussion.
 
11:28 PM
personally
I think it seems fuckin' dumb to leave, call the whole future of the EU into doubt and give Europe a massive middle finger, and then go back to them the next day with the hat in hand asking for a nice trade deal please.
yeah, we're really not gonna get totally shafted on that one.
 
Ell
@Chimera it's going well, hope it is for you too
 
@Puppy It is. Yet. That's a hell of a lot more likely to happen than parliament overturning the referendum
 
yeah
 
I must say. Today is the day I stopped thinking of Brits as a predominantly polite bunch :)
 
Puppy and sehe you are both British right?
 
11:32 PM
oh noes
 
It's the language only. Just people. And a bit more pigheaded than I previously realized
 
ever since the referendum was announced, the British people have been profoundly rude to everybody.
 
@CaptainGiraffe pffft.
 
especially the people in their own parties and/or in government with them.
 
11:32 PM
it's been very mudslinging over here
 
According to some articles that might not be 100% credible, Britain pays about $190 million to the EU for being in it, but also gets just as much back from the trades involving EU
 
personally I think it's sad that we have such an undemocratic system but it only ever seems to be undemocratic in the wrong direction
and right now I'd really like a bit of undemocracy but it won't happen in this case.
if only we could be undemocratic equally.
 
That's like decrying gravity's direction
 
actually
having considered it, I guess I could be a little more hopeful about Parliament overturning the referendum
we don't need Parliament to overturn it, we only need the Lords to reject it.
the Commons can force the Lords to pass legislation but there's a minimum two year waiting period, and I happen to recall at this juncture that the Article 50 process is two years long and can only be extended by unanimous agreement.
so I wonder what would happen if the Lords (who are not elected and do not answer to the electorate) rejected the relevant statutes.
oh no it's only one year.
oh well
well anyway I'm going to go and cry about no longer being European
10
good night
 
@Puppy That's a technologist's take on things. It's not just whether the people in the right position /could/ do this. It's whether they can /get away with it/ without destabilizing things to the point it hurts them more/most
@CaptainGiraffe It broke? Or you woke up?
Oh wait. "gigs", not "Gibibytes"
@Puppy Sleep well (by the way, to me you're still the same. It's just the governments that will do business differently)
 
11:44 PM
@sehe What can I make of this?
 
I'd call it conversaticide by message deletion
 
I can't say to the world I have 13 excellent programming positions. I need to save that to my own guys that i have taught myself and I know has the basic skills. Like appreciate the value of elegant code.
 
I think I almost get it. I though you were in Sweden, somehow
 
Dewire is a good place to be. I guessing 60% of the staff is students of mine.
They are always looking
 
@Ell Sure thing.
 
11:53 PM
@sehe Now youre just fucking with me =9
 
Britain has their sovereign rights back... that seems like a good thing to this outsider.
 
They had those. They were just slightly more explicitly limited by reality than now
:31345628 chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=31345546#31345546 I think you might have missed this
 
@sehe No I read parts of it.
 

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