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10:00 AM
wait is there actually like transracial movement
 
probably
 
racefluid
see in a better world we'll talk about racefluid as just race car fuel, not a social phenomenon
 
> “I identify as black”, she said during the interview, though she admits to having identified as white at other points – including when she sued Howard University for racial discrimination because she was white. (She lost.)
 
speciesfluid
 
10:01 AM
> (She lost)
laffo
 
Btw...
> Inanimate objects are not a kintype. If you claim to be toothpastekin or the like, your post will be removed.
Rules on /r/otherkin
 
So biased. #triggered
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So can I be a treekin
Are plants inanimate
 
Well.........
 
@BartekBanachewicz Go and test that.
 
10:06 AM
well if you are considered a tree, wouldn't that make you not required to pay tax for one..
 
jeez. people here are all pretty much on top of the food chain. why the need to make fun of others?
 
@starmole why wouldn't we
 
Pop quiz, what does the following program do?
struct X
{
    struct X
    {
        int a;
    } b;
    int c;
} d;

int main()
{
    return sizeof d;
}
 
@starmole Humans are on top of the food chain pretty much everywhere they live.
There are no predatory pressures on human beings.
 
People who know c++
 
10:09 AM
@fredoverflow fail.
 
Humans are like chickens, we have pecking orders too :p
 
> In C there are no namespace scopes, implicit or explict, so all the structure names share the same name space.
TIL
 
user1804599
@songyuanyao "Have you tried it?" is bad advice in a language full of undefined, implementation-defined behavior and other pitfalls, such as C++. — Zoidberg 28 secs ago
 
Are you serious that you didn't know that? :p Wait, you are a java person >_<
 
I find it really interesting that it fails to compile under both gcc and g++, but for different reasons:
nested.c:3:12: error: nested redefinition of ‘struct X’
nest.cpp:3:12: error: ‘X::X’ has the same name as the class in which it is declared
 
10:12 AM
also :: means 'contains' if you didn't know it either :p
 
@Telkitty It means "has type" in Haskell and "cons" in Scala...
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow it returns an implementation-defined number
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow your question was misleading
 
user1804599
It isn't a program.
 
user1804599
The compiler rejects it.
 
10:14 AM
Will you ever trust me again?
 
as much as I would trust my chickens, possibly more :p
 
@fredoverflow Does it work in MSVC?
 
does it compile when replace X to y?
 
@RichardGeorge yes
@starmole dunno
 
yes it does shows *
*8
 
10:17 AM
@RichardGeorge If you press Cursor-up, you can edit your messages for two minutes.
 
user1804599
Is there a decent XML file viewer for Windows that can handle 1GB XML files just fine?
 
will do that next, Thanks fred!
 
@Zoidberg atom!
 
user1804599
Oh wait, this XML seems actually formatted and indented, so I can just use Vim.
 
@Zoidberg visual studio should do ok
 
10:20 AM
@fredoverflow, why i can't cout inside the struct X?
 
can you use it outside the struct X?
 
@RichardGeorge Because you can't just put statements everywhere?
 
struct X
{
    struct y
    {
        int a;
    } b;
;
    int c;
} d;

int main()
{
     std::cout<<sizeof(X::b)<<endl;
    cout<< sizeof(d);
}
 
Have you included <iostream>?
 
@fred,we can put inside the class, can't we?
 
10:23 AM
You can only put statements inside functions, methods, constructors, destructors etc.
Actually, do forget using namespace std;
 
c:\MinGW>g++ -std=c++11 practice.cpp

c:\MinGW>a
4
8
 
your second cout didn't have std:: in front of it
 
@fred, that make sense we shouldn't cout inside the type(class/struct)
 
So write std::cout instead of just cout.
 
endl is not good
 
10:25 AM
got it
 
std::endl too
 
@RichardGeorge If you want to be able to put statements in a class, use Scala. The class body is implicitly the body of an implied primary constructor or something.
 
@Telkitty also not good indeed. Thanks for playing
 
272
Q: C++: "std::endl" vs "\n"

Head GeekMany C++ books contain example code like this... std::cout << "Test line" << std::endl; ...so I've always done that too. But I've seen a lot of code from working developers like this instead: std::cout << "Test line\n"; Is there a technical reason to prefer one over the other, or is it just...

 
@fred,Let me finish the C++ and its new standards first :)
 
10:26 AM
Lounge<let's drown this noob in useful trivia>
 
dell (ultrasharp) or asus monitor?
 
Benq
 
Interesting yawn or putty loot?
See. I learnt your language.
 
user1804599
I hope PHP can't handle 1GB XML files so I can write this in Haskell instead of Hack.
 
10:30 AM
#include <iostream>

struct X
{
    std::basic_ostream<char>& i_want_to_execute_code_here = std::cout << "Hello World!\n";
} x;

int main()
{
}
 
Fred, please take up less screen real estate?
 
@sehe well .. Benq gives a lot configuration options.. too difficult to find that balance*
 
I have to say that Conquering Dystopia is a surprisingly good band
spotify:track:7sPUakzwikQQjuMVfReQWL
 
derp
 
I've just realized that I'm at the end of the album
and actually enjoyed it through
 
10:33 AM
Never used spotify..
 
@ProblemSlover you should start then
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well I'm not a mobile user even though I have nexus 6p and iphone 6s lol
 
who said you need you be a mobile user to use it?
 
I have only with them "working relationships"
well It's primary users category.. for desktop is youtube perfectly fine. well ok sptify beats youtube in terms of exclusive*
 
10:49 AM
youtube + adblock = near perfection
 
@sehe Oops. I confused it with another brand.. Benq appears to be like a quite solid monitor. versus asus / dell
 
@ProblemSlover I don't understand how using YT for music could be described with anything remotely close to "fine"
compared to spotify it's extremely primitive and clunky, and streams video where you really only want the audio
 
@BartekBanachewicz well it leverages machine learning for composing playlists
this feature works really good
 
@ProblemSlover Dells are on a totally different level (much better)
@ProblemSlover so does spotify
but really the fact that you need to stream video is extremely silly for me
 
silly argument*
 
10:54 AM
Has anyone noticed that Luc is extremely quiet now that GCC 6.1 has been released
 
anyway. Let's move on. You like spotify. I like youtube /.draw
 
I remember when grooveshark was a thing
 
Soundcloud is still a thing lol
@DmitriBudnikov nothing exciting in a new release
 
spotify is blocked in my country, like many other services..
 
@DmitriBudnikov idk he still seems active
 
11:03 AM
@KhaledKhnifer VPN not an option?
 
user1804599
Spotify is great.
 
user1804599
It works really well.
 
I don't find any advantages over youtube. except it's well optimized for mobile
 
Omg someone on HN defined "compiler" as "a semantics preserving translation from a source language to a target language"
> from a source language to a target language
that's transpilation!
 
It's also how Wikipedia defines it.
> A compiler is a computer program (or a set of programs) that transforms source code written in a programming language (the source language) into another computer language (the target language)
 
11:12 AM
This definition does not apply when either the source or target language is JS, however. Or, when it is defined on HN.
 
FUCK WEBSITES THAT TRY TO GUESS MY PREFERRED LANGUAGE FROM MY IP
 
About transpilers:
> A source-to-source compiler translates between programming languages that operate at approximately the same level of abstraction, while a traditional compiler translates from a higher level programming language to a lower level programming language.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes +111111111111111111
 
@StackedCrooked forget it
You're out of the loop m8
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It was problem before I got a vpn
 
11:14 AM
@ProblemSlover you don't have to stream the video, it's categorized by genres and allows you to starta a radio basing on a particular band, album or even song, it has album arts and album metadata built in, it allows you to scrobble to last-fm, it provides you with a weekly discover playlist and a lot of other discovery options. It streams in higher quality, has a dedicated desktop and mobile client and both can also work offline
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Experience the web in Cantonese
 
@BartekBanachewicz You should work in the marketing department of spotify my friend
 
@DmitriBudnikov "someone on HN"'s gotta be the most reliable source these days
@ProblemSlover that's all just based on my personal use :P
I could go on but what for
just download it and do the 30-day trial
 
Hm, this page seems to disable the Ctrl-PageUp/PageDown key combination on my Ubuntu desktop.
 
@BartekBanachewicz stop coding C+.. you have more valuable skills not related to p programming. which may help you to make millions..//
 
11:17 AM
@ProblemSlover I stopped coding in C++ around 9 months ago
 
@BartekBanachewicz .... how you killing your time then
 
I, uh, work?
and play Starcraft but that's unrelated
 
@BartekBanachewicz make me happy and tell you switched to the management position
 
no
I don't want to be in any management position
 
If it is so you are on the right track
 
11:20 AM
But I'd like to spend more time speaking on conferences if that makes you happy
 
@BartekBanachewicz well ok. I got it. you follow your passion no matter how much you get paid.
 
actually I don't feel I'm paid badly or underpaid
if anything the discrepancies between different countries are somewhat annoying
 
Password manager-using folks, whatcha think of passwordstore.org?
 
I don't mind the salaries being adjusted for the cost of living, but they go well past that, and some costs are international (like car prices)
@R.MartinhoFernandes does it have cloud
> Copied Email/jason@zx2c4.com to clipboard. Will clear in 45 seconds.
oh clearing seems like a neat feature
 
@BartekBanachewicz It uses git repos. You need your own hosting.
@BartekBanachewicz KeePass does that.
 
11:25 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh. Interesting
 
KeePass can also use a bit more scrambling by typing half with the keyboard and half through the clipboard.
 
so everyone loves github
i dont get the hype
 
I avoid the clipboard method anyway.
 
@BartekBanachewicz well I prefer the freedom of life style. I hate to work for someone. it just kills me
 
@Charlie Free git repo hosting.
 
11:27 AM
Image search of KeepAss is sfw.
 
@Charlie do you use it?
 
free storage, i dont get the big hubub
 
I use this keefox.org to get the passwords onto the browser.
 
I dont see the benefit of it tbh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Where could I host such a git repo? Digital Ocean?
@Charlie You don't see the benefit of free hosting?
 
11:28 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Wherever you have ssh access and git. Or even just git over something else if you can't have ssh, I guess.
@Charlie Also collaborative tools like issue trackers, forking, and pull requests.
 
so good for groups maybe
that dont have skype?
 
@fredoverflow you there....?
 
How does Skype solve any of those problems?
@Charlie So Skype is only good for groups that don't have postage stamps.
 
isnt it faster to just send stuff back and forth
than going via a 3rd party
 
11:30 AM
Have you ever used git?
 
@RichardGeorge I guess?
 
Or any version control system at all?
 
@Charlie it's not about speed. It's about accessibility
3 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Charlie do you use it?
 
Ven
just use office 360 noscope
 
@ProblemSlover internet connection is pretty slow already, we have good VPN for stuff, but for such services US VPNs are slow due to high traffic, since everyone wants to watch their Netflix US-limited primers like house of cards, ..etc
 
11:30 AM
I think I already know the answer to this question
 
I couldnt find much use for it, what I need is a place to launch something
like a deviantart for programmers
 
lolwut
@Charlie That's github.
 
@Charlie you mean heroku?
@Charlie yeah, that's github
 
heroku?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @sehe see linked message
 
11:32 AM
@Charlie what do you mean by "launch"
 
@KhaledKhnifer hm.. shitty DSL connection or what? I just never experienced this problem.I use vpn 24/7
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Stop pinging me!
 
No I mean literally something like deviantart
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @sehe ping me with the reply as well
 
but for programmers, or programs*
 
11:32 AM
@fred, Is this longue let us to PM?
2
 
@Charlie so why can't you use deviantart if you want "literally" deviantart
 
@Charlie hey. how is your raw OPENGL going?
 
Last I checked they dont accept exes, youd have to go via a file hosting service
 
@ProblemSlover don't interrupt the hilarious discussion
 
very nice =) I just finished a parser with indices
 
11:33 AM
@Charlie So you want to publish binaries?
 
but im bottlenecking from the matrix call would you believe
 
You can do that on Github as well, but it's mostly for, y'know, source code
 
idk how to get around it
 
@Zoidberg Best error message ever? :)
 
like, i made this
 
11:33 AM
@fredoverflow +1 for freehand line
 
a spray training tool for cs:go
 
@Charlie I don't know what you're talking about, but it's not true.
 
And I didnt want to give out the source code
 
@Charlie Than just post your binaries in some CS:GO forums.
 
@RichardGeorge I invited you to a new room.
 
11:34 AM
@Charlie yeah see Github is mostly for collaborative work on the source code
 
I did, but they thought I was posting a cheat lol
 
this might be why you didn't get the point
 
@Charlie Deal with it.
 
It got me ipbanned actually
 
@ProblemSlover the best internet connection in my place for end users is advertised at 20-40MB/s pings averages at 10MB/s and consistent flow barely deliver 5MB/s, in all cities over all companies that provide internet connections. The only thing that deliver consistent 10MB/s is optical fiber and my place is not supported.
 
11:35 AM
thats what Im saying bartek, Id have use for something like deviantart
 
@Charlie why didn't you want to publish the source code?
 
because of the leaf in the corner
 
@Charlie "Not what I want" is a far step from "no benefit".
 
its there to block the radar, it would be really easy to remove with the source
 
11:36 AM
@Charlie btw there's SourceForge
 
didnt sourceforge sell out or something?
 
actually I think I got cancer from the "modding" community already
 
@KhaledKhnifer well sorry for that. I'd have escaped that place/country
 
someone send a medivac for me
 
I swear I heard something about them adding spyware to installers
 
11:37 AM
In short, the day speedtest shows me something over 2MB/s I'm happy. we live on DSL over shitty infrastructure.
 
@Charlie That rings a bell.
 
Like I was looking for a place to publish or showcase my program
 
@Charlie I've read something similar
 
but wound up having to use mediafire, twitter and youtube
 
11:38 AM
Jul 25 '15 at 3:09, by Borgleader
> It appears that +SourceForge took over the control of the 'GIMP for Windows' account and is now distributing an ads-enabled installer of GIMP. They also locked out original owner of the account, Jernej Simončič, who has been building the Windows versions of GIMP for our project for years. Source
 
@Charlie any free static hosting?
 
people were trying to get people to stop using it, like a boycot
mediafire is free?
 
you know .exe file isn't special
it's just a file. You can send it over http.
You can just make a plain html page with a download link and host it
 
sure, but It would be nice to have a place to send people
 
@Charlie buy a domain and host that page there?
 
11:40 AM
meh, it was just a fun project
 
then register a free domain?
 
I can open github in my work, but I cannot SSH or do socket connections, so I can't use git, well atleast I can upload files and commit online.
 
like see deviantart, tons of pieces by various artists
 
I KNOW WHAT DEVIANT ART IS GOD
okay no really requesting immediate evac
 
Isnt there room for something like this for exes? Im just saying
 
11:41 AM
I'm not sure why I'm overreacting like that but yeah
 
deviantart is artists facebook
 
See, tons of software by various programmers
 
@fredoverflow, you have been missing in the new room
 
@Charlie No one is interested in random binaries.
 
11:41 AM
@Charlie because not a single reasonable person would download and run an untrusted exe, and there's no incentive whatsoever to provide hosting for random binaries
 
As if everyone knows exes are malicious and should be avoided
 
@BartekBanachewicz plonking is always available
 
@Charlie Upload it somewhere and post to the audience of interest (which seemingly banned you)
 
github gives you view into the source, which you can use to ensure that the program isn't malicious and you can actually modify it
 
I swear, theres no trust in the world
 
11:42 AM
@Charlie lol
 
@Charlie ...
 
just think about it, have you ever been victim of a trojan?
 
if you trust a random exe on the internet it's not "trust", it's being a fucking idiot
6
@Charlie yes
 
@Charlie How do you know?
 
what did it do? force you to format?
 
11:42 AM
@Charlie tried to stole my bank password
 
@Charlie You are not the target.
No one wants to destroy your machine.
 
I'm thinking to switch to Red Hat.. they give free subscription to developers. I guess it's silly idea though
 
So someone stole my credit card once, the actual one, not the info
 
Malware wants your machine to keep working so that it can continue its nefarious purposes.
 
turns out the bank has a policy where they refund it, if its reported to the police
 
11:43 AM
lel
 
If some yolo hacker is trying to steal money from the bank
 
lol
 
@Charlie so you're using the protection from your idiocy provided by the bank as a reason to remain in that idiocy?
 
I dont think theres much reason to worry tbh
 
11:44 AM
A botnet is a number of Internet-connected computers communicating with other similar machines in which components located on networked computers communicate and coordinate their actions by command and control (C&C) or by passing messages to one another (C&C might be built into the botnet as P2P). Botnets have been used many times to send spam email or participate in distributed denial-of-service attacks. The word botnet is a combination of the words robot and network. The term is usually used with a negative or malicious connotation. == Core components of a botnet == There are several co...
@Charlie Thanks a lot.
 
Listen, people thinking programs are malicious
 
@Charlie Oh; please post the details here then.
 
hurts programming
 
Then you can call the bank and block it!
 
@Charlie No, it does not.
 
11:44 AM
@Charlie no.
 
@Charlie why you 're still using windows
 
People think malware isn't an issue hurts the Internet.
 
@Charlie you have to assume a program is malicious until proven otherwise.
 
@Charlie How do you feel thinking you can be responsible for the next DDoS attack?
 
Otherwise... you won't survive long.
 
11:45 AM
right
computer viruses will kill me
 
33 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Charlie How do you feel thinking you can be responsible for the next DDoS attack?
 
Or... let's see check how long it'll take you to recover from an identity theft.
 
Its like sad, because people arent willing to even try your stuff
 
@Charlie are you even fucking reading
 
@Charlie No, they won't. Malware doesn't want to destroy the hosts.
 
11:45 AM
@Charlie in the future, it is possible
 
lol I am
 
@Charlie do you know what DDoS is?
 
It's ridiculously hard to recover from that shit.
 
ddos attacks killed my family
 
Just like the flu doesn't want to kill you (that's an accident). It wants you to live long enough until it reproduces and spreads enough.
 
11:46 AM
...
 
Frankly? They might.
 
..when technology become part of our bodies
 
Why would I risk my reputation
 
@Charlie your what
 
trying to launch a ddos botnet?
 
11:46 AM
So shall I switch to RedHat desktop? :P :P
 
or something? steal cc info?
 
If your house is on fire, a DDoS can actually make the fire dept not reach it in time.
 
@Charlie To gain money or personal revenge?
The fact is, people do that.
 
Or make the ambulance your mother needs immediately not reach her in time.
 
And you're helping them
 
11:47 AM
Jesus.
 
@Charlie Wwhen I wwas a cchild, I eenjoyed mmicrosoft ddos a llot. Eexcuse the sstutter, pplease.
 
ur right :o i forgot about da ambulance
 
Or, as I said....
 
Repeat after me: not protecting yourself from malware is helping DDoS and other attacks.
 
IDENTITY THEFT
 
11:47 AM
jokes aside tho, people are too scared of exes
 
No, they are not.
 
No, they are not.
 
Quite the opposite.
 
I have to think you have no actual idea what that is - right?
 
Does Linux even run exes?
 
11:47 AM
they aren't scared nearly enough
 
Imagine a site where you build reputation
 
@Griwes you'd need to have one first
 
and you get like upvotes or something
 
For what? Random binaries?
 
11:48 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes what else
 
let's talk about raw open gl.. I wanna write the Garbage collector :P
 
@Charlie GitHub has "stars" and counts how many times your repos are forked.
 
@ProblemSlover dude, now take a step back, look at what you wrote, say "sorry" and google what a GC is.
 
Id like something like deviantart, more of a artsy feel
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ok. I'm free for 150 years. so I got enough time to write this piece of shit
 
11:51 AM
lol
This would almost be genuinely funny if it wasn't so sad.
 
lol, an artsy feel
 
idk how better to put it
 
in Room for fredoverflow and Richard George, 25 secs ago, by fredoverflow
If you want to talk about defining your own languages, Zoidberg is the guy to poke.
@Zoidberg stupid markdown won't let me address this to you and onebox at the same time
 
listen, artists will spend months drawing a picture, right?
and for what? to create some feeling, or depict something interesting
I swear there is room for artists to use programming a way to create small pieces
 
why don't for money?
 
11:54 AM
@Charlie that's demoscene
 
@Charlie Upload it somewhere and post in an artist programmer website.
 
My programming art is on GitHub.
 
@Charlie there's a shitload of those, but they aren't for exes, but JS files. Note how they all have public source
Codepen, JSfiddle, shadertoy
 

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