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Ven
8:00 AM
yes, that makes him a pickup artist
 
a pickup arctic you mean
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@AndyProwl (starred) now thats individuality!!!
 
Ven
120 blaze it
 
hey do u guys good with matlab?
 
8:07 AM
@DmitriBudnikov: Well, Amazon did "patent" 1-click online purchases... — einpoklum 45 mins ago
softwarepatents.jpeg
 
Ven
@TheArtist only with MATL
 
@Ven what's matl?
 
They don't have a patent in Europe.
 
Ven
thus EU > NA :P.
 
8:11 AM
@Ven Oh so they are pretty similar
 
Ven
EU and NA are pretty similar, yes.
 
Syntax cannot be patented.
 
Yes, hence why I think the argument of the commenter is bs
 
I'm trying to make this game, where its about moving the ball through the holes in the wall. You can basically move it up with the mouse click and move the ball down by pressing a key. When I run it, it looks like this:
 
> moving the ball through the holes
 
8:13 AM
@DmitriBudnikov lol yeah
 
I recognize flappy square
 
Ven
kek
 
@DmitriBudnikov It doesn't flap though
I have a loop that goes on forever, which means the ball just repeats and starts when it goes to the right end.
dx=30
 
@doug65536 that
 
where pos x is the position of the ball/square.
 
8:17 AM
@TheArtist what is this dialect of C++ I am not aware of
 
I want to change the heights of the walls, and make it more interactive, by changing the positions of the holes each round....any idea how i can do that?
@Ven ^^^^ :)
 
Ven
i dunno MATL
 
@DmitriBudnikov Sorry boss, this is matlab, I know I should be in the Matlab chat, but its a pretty dead chatroom :/
 
Ven
guess that'd look like Q:q"H@^G@Xn* in MATL
 
8:18 AM
Jan 30 '15 at 2:30, by Borgleader
"Hi I have a question about my retirement fund"
"Sir this is a convenience store..."
"I know but it's the only thing open at this hour"
obligatory
 
@TheArtist Don't be an idiot.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :P don't be mean
 
@TheArtist Did you even read the rules? :/
 
OKAY! SORRY PEOPLE, WONT HAPPEN AGAIN. I'l post a question instead @DmitriBudnikov @R.MartinhoFernandes ,etc etc
 
Ven
8:20 AM
the what now
 
omg lounge we did it
 
Ven
¿
 
My dog was chasing people with a bike all yesterday, so I had to take his bike away
 
I wonder how people that work have time to answer Q's on stackoverflow
 
How can a dog chase people with a bike?
@AndreasDM No time for work
 
8:25 AM
by pedalling
 
Ven
@DmitriBudnikov by being on the bike?!
 
that didn't go the way I wanted it to
 
8:32 AM
how is the psychological rule of people focusing on their first observation called
 
Anchoring.
 
fixation?
 
naaah it had a name in it I think
 
Anchoring or focalism is a cognitive bias that describes the common human tendency to rely too heavily on the first piece of information offered (the "anchor") when making decisions. During decision making, anchoring occurs when individuals use an initial piece of information to make subsequent judgments. Once an anchor is set, other judgments are made by adjusting away from that anchor, and there is a bias toward interpreting other information around the anchor. For example, the initial price offered for a used car sets the standard for the rest of the negotiations, so that prices lower than the...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes okay that sounds about right
 
8:34 AM
anchovies
 
Ven
the movie actor?
 
> Thus, despite being expressly aware of the anchoring effect, participants were still unable to avoid it.[9] A later study found that even when offered monetary incentives, people are unable to effectively adjust from an anchor.[10]
holy hell
this is p fascinating
 
Ven
My school's intranet currently says:
> Apache2 Debian Default Page
 
good choice of distribution
oh god someone mentioning again the "reverse a binary tree" problem thingy
how is it not trivial for anyone worth their 2 cents to do that?
even in pseudo code it's like 3 lines
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have a PhD in this, remember? :P
 
8:47 AM
wait what
being a dyscordian pope doesn't mean you have a PhD in psychology
anyway the reason I was looking for that was this
there's no translation, but in general the events look pretty scary
 
Ven
@DmitriBudnikov I have never, ever, studied binary trees.
I know what they are because I self-learned bits about them, but..
 
Unidentified red substance is found, preliminary analysis shows it's muscle tissue, then the case is dropped because lack of evidence
Just before that, the church got a renovation that made it a more attractive tourist location
 
Ven
for all I know, "reversing" could mean mapNodes (\x -> -x) tree
 
For all we know someone might have been murdered there.
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz that'd explain the "attractive to tourists" part
 
8:50 AM
> Wcześniej kościół zyskał iluminację i rozbudowany został parking. – Choć niektórzy zastanawiali się, komu będzie potrzeba tak dużo miejsca, dzisiaj nie mają wątpliwości – zauważa s. Julia.
 
@Ven It means mirroring the tree if you will
IOW swapping left and right nodes at every depth
 
> Earlier the church was illuminated, and the parking was expanded - People wondering who will need so much space, now seem completely convinced - mentions a nun.
@Ven I mean no one is really saying it was a murder and the case was dropped because lack of evidence, but the molecular/dna analysis of the substance wasn't performed either because local bishop "didn't want to"
I've no idea how that works but it genuinely scares me.
 
Ven
@DmitriBudnikov I know it does
but just because I waste my life on this shit, not because school ever told me
 
right
I never mentioned school
 
@DmitriBudnikov It's trivial once you actually explain what you mean by "reversing a binary tree", because that's by no means a standard term.
 
8:57 AM
reading a char array backwards?
 
Classic so far. Then in come the zingers
@lifeboatmc @SurvivalHiveDE No, that wasn't the real problem. The real problem is you guys not caring enough to tell your users about it.
 
Ven
@sehe zzzzz
is this 2008
 
@DmitriBudnikov god again
 
@Griwes eert yranib
> md5
> decryptable
:nerdcringe:
 
Ven
@DmitriBudnikov hehe
over the raiiinbow
 
9:05 AM
Let's say these stats are mildly conflated somehow. Let's just assume that.
Then, still. That's too sad
 
open your mind, accept that different cultures exist
 
Enough data?
 
I, for one, welcome our robotic twitter overlords. Nice to see you on my timeline again.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think the point is that it cannot really be safe.
 
@sehe The vast majority of accidental shootings I see have easily identifiable beginner mistakes.
 
9:11 AM
well...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Using C for the first time"
 
folks, Can any one point me out to the website that has tough C++ questions to look for.. i am preparing for an interview
 
@DmitriBudnikov More like an experienced C++ developer realising that GCC 6.1 broke their code.
 
@RichardGeorge uh.
try Stack Overflow
 
they majorly looking for threads and stl
 
9:14 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes At the risk of sounding like an idiot, wrt to your null this tweet
 
but stl hasn't existed for twenty years
 
@bartek,i been through that also
 
@Borgleader Oh, nice.
 
@RichardGeorge through the whole Stack Overflow
 
2
Q: Some real interview questions C++

user349026So I compiled some interview questions I was asked. I answered some and noted down the answers to the ones I could not. Some questions are not C specific and are general. Everyone can add their input to the questions. No obligation to follow the answers I wrote! Q1: What would be the size of a p...

 
9:17 AM
cppquiz
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh my god
 
where was it?
cppquiz?
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes like not checking if the gun is loaded or not?
@RichardGeorge
:D
 
can you fucking google cppquiz or is that out of your cognitive ability already
 
@Ven A gun is always loaded.
 
9:18 AM
i got it alrady dimitry
mind you word in a public chat
 
*your
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, that's why you sometimes need to throw it at your opponent's face
@DmitriBudnikov fais gaffe tu meurs mg, là.
 
sorry richard george i apologetic
 
> How many people can actually write BFS on the spot, without preparing for it in advance?
uh I think I that some people go overboard with that
 
9:20 AM
BFS
 
Ven
whats bfs even
 
there I did it, no preparation
 
BFS is trivial.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes right?
 
9:21 AM
@Ven Breadth-first search.
 
How many people can write a for loop on the spot
 
without preparation?
 
how many people can write finding a maximum element in the list on the spot
WITHOUT PREPARATION
 
9:21 AM
without using algorithm?
 
@Ven It's a search where you visit all children before any grandchildren. (thus you search breadth before depth)
 
> Again, I am not a recent college graduate anymore who has breadth-first search memorized.
 
no algorithm no data structures
> breadth-first search memorized
 
i can but its not efficient in case of complexity
 
can you fit "breadth" and "first" simultaneously in your brain
 
9:22 AM
What's there to memorise :/
 
because that's the entire algo specification p much
 
@DmitriBudnikov Exactly. It's self-descriptive.
 
BFS no idea honestly
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, bfs is breadth first search
 
3 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Ven Breadth-first search.
 
9:24 AM
@Ven good job
you're hired
 
> what does breadth-first search has to do with front-end development
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz thanks dad
 
> front-end development
All has been explained.
 
I'd just use jQuery.BFS
 
Ven
are you gonna tell him to fuck off?
 
9:25 AM
kindly
 
Ven
@DmitriBudnikov don't you dare joke
 
> Frankly, I had no desire to put much effort into solving it, because at that point it was nothing more than an insult
look at that snowflake
front-end software snowflake
 
Ven
jquery breadth first search //cc @DmitriBudnikov
 
> it was nothing more than an insult
"did you just threaten me with a BFS!?"
 
> We, as developers, really do have to re-load complicated undergraduate coursework into exam ready memory over, and over, and over.
6
> complicated undergraduate coursework
I'm done here.
 
9:28 AM
I like to start interviews with a voight-kampf test. also frowned upon :(
 
Ven
I never got any shit question like "invert a binary tree" in interviews. I'd probably just get up and leave
 
seriously?
 
Ven
yeah
 
Why?
(notice my inconsistent casing that denotes "serious question")
 
Ven
because I don't have that kind of time to waste
 
9:30 AM
Why do you think demonstrating knowledge of an algorithm that inverts a binary tree is a waste of time?
 
If you count time spent in an interview to demonstrate your abilities as waste, then it makes sense that they won't hire you.
 
Ven
they probably wouldn't hire me because I got up and left, btw
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The thing is, it's more than apparently hard to eradicate these fully. Humans just malfunction
 
@Ven Or you'd successfully pass the front-end dev test brilliantly
 
Ven
if you ask me a question about binary trees for a frontend job, you're just a poser and your job will suck – more than a basic frontend job already does
 
9:31 AM
@sehe But perfection is the enemy of good.
 
whats a binary tree anyway
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Ven
actually, it's good that started the fight
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's epic though. Especially that he does it while raving about how he's the "only one professional enough to handle this gun" - ouch
 
Ven
common misconception
 
@DmitriBudnikov hihih
 
9:32 AM
@sehe I continuously cringe since the moment he picks it up and says it's unloaded without checking.
 
@Ven Why do binary trees imply that the job will suck? I'll reword: what do you want to be asked about?
 
its like a binary convention?
 
Ven
@DmitriBudnikov questions related to front-end development
@Charlie yes, but it's green instead
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. That's inexcusable. In the room full of people
 
@Ven You mean like... the DOM?
 
Ven
9:33 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes your DOOM
 
The DOM is a tree.
 
like a friendly happy array of chars
 
DOOM is not a binary TREEE
 
Just saying.
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you gonna ask me to invert the DOM?
you're DOOMed, again
 
9:33 AM
But is it binary
 
Ven
no it's trans
 
@Charlie "Bob Ross, in the name of our lord and saviour, I command you to leave this body!"
 
=)
 
@Ven Also, related or not, if you're not capable of solving such a simple problem, it says something about your problem solving abilities.
 
(char*)&tree[0]
 
Ven
9:34 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I never said anything about being able to
 
And your problem solving abilities are related to the job.
 
Ven
I'm criticizing asking that question for a frontend job.
 
@Ven I never said you aren't. I meant en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you
 
Ven
if you ask me such questions, you have no idea about the job at hand.
 
@Ven And I'm explaining why it is relevant.
 
9:35 AM
You know what, more than lack of interest in basic data structures and algorithms, this is also indicative of lack of interest in anything immediately applicable to your field.
Bad attitude IMO
 
@Ven Problem solving.
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, you're just straw-manning, answering a point I didn't make
 
job interviews are supposed to have some silly questions tho
 
It's close mindedness
 
@Ven Wait, you didn't say it was a waste to ask it?
I gave one reason it isn't a waste.
 
9:36 AM
@sehe lourd and savior
 
An interview is like a date. You don't ask about bedroom skills. You try to figure out if the date might be a fun person in the bedroom.
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes which is unrelated to being able to solve it, that's one step before
 
> Honestly, nobody cares about your 960+ day coding streak. Nobody has time for that. What if you’re just twiddling comments 1x/day for 3 years?
 
@Ven No. My point is that being related to the job is not the only important thing.
 
@starmole what happened to fucking on first date
 
9:37 AM
It assesses your problems solving skills.
If a question assesses an important skill for the job, it's not a bad question for an interview.
 
@BartekBanachewicz: that's joining a startup
 
@starmole and how smelly their farts are
 
Ven
it assesses a different set of skills than required for the job. "copy jquery code from stackoverflow"
 
@DmitriBudnikov lourd en savoir - i dunno, wat?
 
@Ven Ok, I guess you don't take this seriously.
You think front-end development is a menial job.
(Done right it shouldn't be)
 
9:38 AM
most people don't "do it right"
 
Ven
I'm saying that, if you have binary-tree related questions for your frontend job, it's definitely gonna be a menial one.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's easy to assess that judging by the backlash against questions that assess important skills.
@Ven Now you're just making shit up.
 
Ven
ok
 
A good interview should probably mix generic problem solving skills such as this one and more job-specific ones, I guess
 
Ven
RIP jsperf
 
9:41 AM
@DmitriBudnikov Make sure you ask the generic ones first, so that you can cull the idiots that get upset at it and run out the door.
 
Ven
@DmitriBudnikov when you're done figuring out what makes a good interview, please start teaching recruiters around the world
also yay for name-calling :)
plonks
 
A good interview is like a good date. But there's tons of pick up artists and gold diggers out there
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
@Ven My advice would be to always start with a binary tree inversion question ;)
 
Ven
@DmitriBudnikov okay, that's as you see fit
 
the ;) indicates a tongue-in-cheek tone
 
Ven
9:45 AM
:P
how dare you not call me an idiot?!
 
even Luc with his lack of second degree would understand that
 
Ven
si j'avais pas compris, je t'aurais insulté (mais gentiment)
 
always start with voight-kampff
 
q.viva64.com/question/15------this was nice, deals with finding subtle bug in a code
 
(i wish, im too chicken to do it for some people)
 
9:51 AM
also wow the comments on that article @Bartek
 
@Ven Yes, I think the extremist position against generic problems in interviews is idiotic.
 
> B) A result of this is the Brogrammer culture where a white-dominated male mindset has created and perpetuated a myth that “they” are the best programmers.
 
@BartekBanachewicz,what colour you are?
 
9:56 AM
@RichardGeorge beige
 
@RichardGeorge fun but too easy once you look for what PVS does
 
but mb this is just the Instagram filter
 
@BartekBanachewicz,OK:)
i was clueless for many questions there honestly:(
 
morning
 
@RichardGeorge My colour is racist. Er, I mean, white. My gender is sexist. I mean, male. And I'm homophobic, er, I mean heterosexual.
 
9:59 AM
cisrace
 

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