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12:01 PM
@ProblemSlover how come?
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol. I was being sarcastic
well at least it's changed the direction of this chat
 
that's because Charlie gave up
 
why I feel like my brain dries up if I don't do coding for a couple days
 
I didnt give up
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I honestly thought you created a repo for shits and giggles but no you had that ready for when someone mentioned artsy programs
slow clap
 
12:14 PM
imagine a small game, thats really just a display of graphics and art
like the game unravel
 
@Charlie so, a game.
 
not necessarily, but yeah
 
There are game distribution sites. Like Steam.
People can vote on games there.
 
@Charlie That's what the demoscene people do.
 
Its just an idea, like you dont HAVE to endorse it
 
12:17 PM
@Charlie the point is someone already had that idea and it exists in numerous popular iterations
 
not doing a kickstarter just yet
If deviantart would add exe's, that would be perfect
 
@Charlie no, it wouldn't.
 
maybe hard to quality control tho
 
that's a huge security risk and we've already told you why
 
Anyone here would like to visit DPRK or I'm only one that insane?
 
12:18 PM
@ProblemSlover visiting it just helps the regime to remain in power
 
Ive had a pc for idk how long, and ive had a few viruses
not a single time was it a real problem
 
@Charlie you mean the ones you know about
 
i dont even have a antivirus now, as ill just format if it starts going south
 
@Charlie how can you know?
 
well my pc keeps calling google every 10 minutes
 
12:18 PM
How can you know how much data was actually stolen from you
 
like cookies?
 
or how many ddos attacks it contributed with
 
i dont think cookies are a threat
 
@Charlie like your personal information
it could log your passwords. It could see your bank transactions.
 
u mean nsa might figure out who I am?
 
12:19 PM
No, someone might use this for identity theft
 
or coca cola will track my clicking tendencies, realize i prefer crystal pepsi
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have nothing against regime. DPRK is effectively the buffer zone between nato and china. regime will exist as long as china finds this zone helpful.
 
@ProblemSlover you do realize that because of that regime people are dying of starvation because they are forbidden to look out for food, right?
 
like someone could put poison in my water, but like
does it even happen
 
@Charlie yes, it does, and I assure you it's never funny for the person attacked.
imagine someone got a huge bank loan in your name, took the money and went off
 
12:21 PM
so something like this has happened to me
 
even if you could prove that it wasn't you, the bank insurance only covers a certain amount
 
@Charlie How do you know how many you had?
 
@Charlie not with a huge amount
 
my credit card got stolen, and i didnt realize until some after
 
@Bartek I wonder how many people have been blackmailed by their web traffic?
 
12:21 PM
Malware doesn't want to be noticed.
 
the bank refunded it, provided i reported the theft
 
@Charlie They wouldn't refund a $100k loan
 
the banks dont play around
 
@BartekBanachewicz well.. I prefer to talk about geopolitics rather than about human rights/ or whatever the biggest problem there is.
 
they would realize if you got scammed or not somehow
 
12:22 PM
@Charlie and they don't exactly go around handing money to people who can't protect their accounts either
 
my point is people say they should be scared of exes
 
@ProblemSlover How can you separate the two?
 
@Charlie So what? It says it clearly in the terms of use that you should protect the password
 
but im not sure how true it is, like by that logic you sholdnt fly planes
as they kill people
whats worse, being killed in an aircrash, or having 10bucks stolen
 
@Charlie I'll send you a link to an artsy exe I wrote.
 
12:23 PM
@Charlie No, your logic is faulty here.
@Charlie Completely irrelevant. We're talking about preventing the theft in the first place. The fact that you can get stolen from doesn't mean you shouldn't take preventive measures
 
I fully expect you to download and run it.
 
like I could send you a link to meatspin
laugh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Please elaborate
 
@Charlie Shut up already. You keep talking in strawmen.
 
but to steal 200k from a bank? get real
 
12:24 PM
@Charlie and rightfully so. If the bank can prove that you weren't protecting your password, they won't give you a cent back
 
@ProblemSlover Wait, that's what I asked you. I don't understand why you think you can separate geopolitics from human rights.
 
your money dissapears and it's entirely your problem now
 
arent people a bit hysterical about exes?
 
@Charlie Would you like your bank account cleared out?
 
like you would never discourage someone from flying, and that is way more risky
it cant get cleared out, you have like a few days to report it
 
12:25 PM
@Charlie No, it isn't.
 
@Charlie I'm going to send you an exe that gets your login information and sends me all your money
 
@Charlie You're just making shit up.
 
@Charlie The bank won't give you that money back
 
ur actually gonna fight the bank
 
@Charlie they won't even try
 
12:26 PM
id click it just to see you try lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can separate it in the same way as US / Soviet Union did. regarding Korean island
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, they will.
 
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20 secs ago, by Charlie
id click it just to see you try lol
 
user1804599
So shiny.
 
12:26 PM
Like ive had it happen to me, he stole about 1.5k dollars
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes with stuff like that?
 
@ProblemSlover That's not very elaborate.
 
@Charlie Credit Cards are under different rules than bank accounts
 
the banks refunded it, and all the purchases were refunded
 
if you willfully make a transfer from your account by installing an untrusted exe I am ONE HUNDRED PERCENT SURE you're violating the terms of service
 
12:27 PM
i dont think you are liable if the bank gets tricked
 
@Charlie it's you being tricked, not the bank
that's the point
 
@BartekBanachewicz Depends on the amount, on how quickly you report it, and the circumstances, but yeah, it's possible to get your defrauded money back.
 
but if you report a theft
the bank will refund the sum
provided you report it to the police
 
@Charlie ... unless they have a reason not to
like you not protecting your password
 
are u living in fantasyville or what
like i had this happen to me
 
12:28 PM
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Charlie Credit Cards are under different rules than bank accounts
 
why dont you go to the airport, warn people from flying
 
@Charlie the fact that you got a refund once doesn't mean it always happens
 
ok, so how do you get money from the bank then
 
are you really that naive to try that again and again
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well you wanna say that my understanding of geopolitics is wrong. then pardon me. I'm not going to dive into debates.
 
12:29 PM
if not via cc system
 
@Charlie transfers, ATMs...
 
@ProblemSlover Wow, I could have sworn if you had said that was what you wanted.
 
atms are credit cards?
 
@Charlie no.
 
transfers are by wire? right? thats cc too
 
12:29 PM
You can use a debit card to get money from the ATM
@Charlie No, it's not.
 
..
if you tell the bank: my card got stolen
 
Forget the bank.
Forget everything.
 
There's a huge difference between "a credit card" and "taking money out of the account"
 
they will say: ok, report it, we will refund the sum for a period
no, its the same thing
 
@Charlie No, they won't. It depends.
 
12:30 PM
how do you get money out of the bank
 
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Charlie transfers, ATMs...
 
I've had this happen to me
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not gonna try to understand your words either. you either keep things simple or we end this topic
 
the card, that the bank gave me
that has a visa number for wire/offline transfers
got stolen, and the guy bought stuff for like 1.5k bucks
the bank repaid me in full, provided i report it to the police
 
12:32 PM
why are people so scared of exes
 
3 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Charlie the fact that you got a refund once doesn't mean it always happens
 
@Charlie Bring this up again and you're out of here.
@BartekBanachewicz Just let him go.
 
they should be more scared about planes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wanted to say that
 
For some reason I feel less inclined to make a silly comment.
 
12:33 PM
So my S4 mini cell phone has died overnight.
 
im still not sure what i did
 
I had to get a new one. I settled for S5 mini.
It annoyed me a bit that the GUI is a little bit different.
 
@wilx why not to order solid nexus 6p.. it costs only 499.9999
 
More like vanilla Android, I guess.
@ProblemSlover That is out of my price range. This S5 mini was just ~262 USD.
 
@wilx well. it'discontinued by manufacturer already.and no longer receives updates., but who cares..../
 
12:39 PM
@ProblemSlover Last I checked it got an update to Android 6.0 recently.
For people who don't know, 6 is the latest major version of Android.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes N4 won't get it :/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wil never buy samsung.. it comes with shit ware .. and police of updates is discriminational and slow
 
@Charlie lololol
 
there are cheap phones, but software support over time is important, personally I wouldn't buy something that won't be software supported for at least 2+ years
 
ADG
i'm a beginner. int i = 1 printing ++i*i++ gives 6 but i think unary operators have higher precedence so ++i*i++ (i=1)= 2*i++ (i=2) = 2*2 (i=3) = 4 (i=3) ?
 
12:41 PM
@ADG ahahaha
 
@ProblemSlover I don't see how it makes what you said earlier any more true.
 
@ADG drop me 20 USDto my pay pal I will help you out
 
ADG
:(
 
@ADG If you're a beginner, this shouldn't matter to you.
(It doesn't matter for non-beginners either)
 
@ADG If you have to ask us what your code is doing, then it's too complicated.
 
12:43 PM
@ADG sorry, It was just the way you phrased the question.
 
ADG
I saw this [related question] (stackoverflow.com/questions/16363112/ii-evaluation) but i'm not clear
 
@ADG You don't have to understand this.
 
ADG
hmm, as you say
 
@ADG just don't do it.
 
Forget about it and move on.
 
ADG
12:43 PM
ok
 
If you need to know, in C++ that code is broken. That's it. Forget it and move on to learning something else.
 
Actually don't use ++ and -- at all.
 
lol
 
The benefits of using ++ and -- are completely outweighted by disadvantages
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what is not true? It was my experience... got unlocked s6 it came with bunch of crapware
 
12:45 PM
that being said, in C++ += is an expression so it's not like you can expect anything reasonable from this shitty language
 
7 mins ago, by ProblemSlover
@wilx well. it'discontinued by manufacturer already.and no longer receives updates., but who cares..../
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well I confused with other model/
 
"I was wrong" will do
 
@BartekBanachewicz wut
 
@Griwes IKR
it's such a terrible design choice
 
12:46 PM
@Griwes isn't that an operator in itself?
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, "wut" was at your opinion about that.
 
@Griwes (x += (y += 1)) is so readable
please write more code like that
 
IMO everything should be usable as an expression, and I am surprised that you, being a functional programmer, would agree with that.
 
except not around me
@Griwes not in shitty imperative languages without monadic expressions
 
I'm actually quite happy using CyanogenMod these days.
 
12:47 PM
+= should return void and that's it
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not whether you should do that or not (funnily enough, that should be written as x += b += 1, but eh), it's whether you can.
@BartekBanachewicz lol
@BartekBanachewicz void is the most useless type in the language.
 
@Griwes Wait, why b?
:P
 
@Griwes In this case it's what the operator should return.
 
Bah, I need to somehow get rid of the Flipboard shit.
 
Any use of any other type is abuse.
 
12:48 PM
lol
"abuse" implies it's not what was intended
 
And if you do it you should be shot on sight.
 
This was intended.
 
@wilx No way to do that without root access. You need to delete it from the system partition.
 
@Griwes just like concept bool
I'm not saying it wasn't intended, I'm saying it's dumb.
 
ADG
btw i was studying for my exam and this was one of the sample question . run
 
12:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes :( I need to at least remove it from it being left of my home screen.
 
Learn the difference.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That is retarded, but only because it's redundant.
 
@Griwes So is operator+= return type.
 
does a+=1; run faster than a=a+1;? or does it just look neater
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then say that, instead of calling it an "abuse", which it plainly is not.
 
12:50 PM
@Griwes The fact that a narcotic half-man of a committee member put that in the language doesn't mean a reasonable person should consider that legit use.
 
lol
void expressions are literally Hitler, btw.
 
Just because something it's in the standard doesn't mean it's "valid", "useful", "well thought", "reasonable" or any similar.
Use your own judgement.
 
I am using it, and I'm liking when most of the constructs in a language are usable as expressions.
 
@Griwes And yet in this case it's what the type of a+=b should be.
 
who would ever use such shit in production ++i * i++++i i++++i i++++i i++++i i++++i * i++
 
12:51 PM
do they add random headers to the stl? like glm
 
Ah; because your judgement is right, and mine is wrong?
 
@Griwes Please tell me why do you like that += is usable as expression so I can ridicule you.
 
My own judgement says it's right.
 
@Griwes Why, then?
What is there to be possibly ever gained from that
 
@BartekBanachewicz Because there's no reason why it shouldn't be usable as an expression.
@BartekBanachewicz It's about not artificially limiting it.
Also according to my own judgement a = b = 1; is perfectly reasonable.
 
12:52 PM
Oh so you're the "pit of failure" proponent
 
I can see return x += a; being useful.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what
 
And making = behave differently than X= is stupid.
 
@Griwes questionable
 
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
Use your own judgement.
 
12:53 PM
@Griwes god I think I know why C++ sucks so badly now
 
@BartekBanachewicz There's really nothing in it that drives you towards writing bad code.
 
okay so I know what this is all about now
 
It's about consistency.
 
You think that leaving useless parts in the language is worth the consistency, and I don't.
@Griwes right
 
Pit of failure is when what is more intuitive is dangerous.
 
12:54 PM
Special cases are bad.
void generates shitloads of special cases.
 
In this case, the natural way of using += is as a statement.
 
@Griwes Programs that are useless but accepted by the compiler are bad :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's clear, it's easy to read, and the long form doesn't gain anything over it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fuck no
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, so most of Haskell programs are bad?
 
12:56 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Oh well.
 
@Griwes your lack of originality has been noted.
@Griwes yes, I believe we've all seen that
it was mildly amusing for the first 50 reposts
 
buuuut what about my Idris code :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't see anything wrong with a function that adds some value and returns the new value, which is where such code could be seen.
 
12:57 PM
@ScarletAmaranth It's probably more useful than most of Haskell out there :P
(I can't imagine Idris has as many "I use Idris so I'm cool" hipsters as Haskell.)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it looks a bit operator section style
 
@KhaledKhnifer There's nothing to understand. The behaviour is not defined.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes For me it reads more like return [](x) { return x + a }; intuitively
 
@KhaledKhnifer Accept that it's broken code and move on.
 
@Griwes your lack of imagination was also noted.
 
12:58 PM
@BartekBanachewicz lolwut, that's not even equivalent.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes post-incrementation is undefined in C++?
 
@KhaledKhnifer No. Writing shitty code with ++s all over is.
 
@BartekBanachewicz your lack of the ability to create sentences that don't all look the same has been noted.
 
oh guys :(
 
@KhaledKhnifer On its own, it's fine.
 
12:59 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Whereas you think that your personal taste qualifies as universal law, so what you dislike is "useless".
 
I can't recall what is difference between ++i and i++. :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't write ++x alone in the expression, I wrote it within parenthesis
 
@ProblemSlover pre-increment, post-increment
 
@KhaledKhnifer Doesn't matter, there are ++s all over it.
 
1:02 PM
@KhaledKhnifer In older jargon, you've incremented i twice between sequence points, which leads to undefined behavior. The current jargon no longer uses the phrase "sequence point", but the effect is the same.
 
ok got it.
pre increment will be done in the beginning of loop. and post after.
 
@ProblemSlover no.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh, okay then, I think that using += as an expression is actively harmful. It obscures code and makes it harder to read, and the fact that it gets marginally shorter there doesn't warrant it at all. As such, I consider the possibility to do that not only useless, but actively harmful as well.
 
@ProblemSlover No. Pre-increment and post increment both increment the object's value. Preincrement yields the incremented value, where post-increment yields the value from before the increment.
 
1:03 PM
the expression is ((++i) * (i++)) parenthesis mean they get evaluated first, technically
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's way too common to qualify as obscuring anything.
 
@JerryCoffin That's why a few people use it . because it's so confusing to me
 
Anyone who has read or written any decent amount of C++ code will not find += hard to read at all.
 
@KhaledKhnifer No. Parentheses change precedence, which does not affect order of evaluation.
 
@KhaledKhnifer That's wrong (see Jerry's reply), but even if it wasn't, that establishes no order between the one increment and the other. The parentheses there only establish an order between the increments and the multiplication.
 
1:06 PM
ohh I see
 
(And order, mind you, that doesn't need to be established, since that's already established by the precedence rules)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Better, but you're still treating: "I don't understand this" as meaning: "This is difficult to understand".
 
It's fun to seeeing professional c++ programmers discussing increment stuff
It's more clear to me on the assembly level
 
that existential feeling hasn't set in yet.
 
1:10 PM
well I guess i shouldn't allowed to work on the production level code at all because stuff ++i vs i++ is so confusing to me
 
then I begin to question why I'm here.
 
@BartekBanachewicz but then you'd consider assignments that change values to also be actively harmful, right
 
user1804599
I need a hierarchial format that gzips well.
 
template<template<typename...> typename T>.. is it valid code at all?
 
I think I'll just avoid using ++ and -- to be safe then..
 
1:18 PM
what a lovely piece of shit code
 
@ProblemSlover C#?
 
user1804599
Or is there something like JSON but with constant pools?
 
@edition sister of C#
 
I don't think that's C#, I think it's Java
 
Java?
 
1:20 PM
in Java: classes Capital, operations small. in C#: classes small case, operations Capital.
 
@edition congrats you just won 1 mln bytes of java byte code
 
@ProblemSlover ok. Just making conversation.
good sarcasm though.
 
@edition my task is to clean the code
 
even though majority of the code is identical..
 
someone made mess
I have to wipe his ass
 
1:22 PM
@ProblemSlover ah, so you're employed to complete that task?
 
@edition I'm employed to clean up the mess. and improve the perfomance
 
Java: class Point { getX () { ..
C#: class point { GetX () { ..
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I might personally be inclined to write return (x += a); but I find it clear enough as it is.
 
@Borgleader Ewww, that changes semantics in some cases.
(decltype(auto))
 
I just had a thought: is poor documentation or obscurity around language features encouraging people to write in it?
 
1:30 PM
I actually should have completed this work like 5 hours ago. but I'm addicted to the chat.. have the freedom to get it done whenever i want to lol
 
@Griwes I thought of that but Ive personally vowed not to use decltype(auto) because of its finicky nature :P
although, wouldnt bit be a ref in both cases? (the one return from += ?)
i guess i should read meyers' book again
 
RIP DreamWorks
http://www.wsj.com/articles/comcasts-nbc-universal-to-buy-dreamworks-for-3-8-billion-1461849691
 
@Borgleader ...you are assuming that op+= returns a reference :D
 
has anyone here tried to build something cool using machine learning?
 
1:39 PM
IOW if it doesn't, fuck the designer
 
@KhaledKhnifer lolno
@набиячлэвэлиь std::atomic's += returns values, for a very good reason
 
Nice group to write some shit in
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/1/sandbox
 
@BartekBanachewicz see, @milleniumbug found a case where += must not be void (...unless you'd prefer to call one of those absurdly long atomic functions instead of just writing +=?).
 

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