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12:01 PM
@AndyProwl how'd you manage to avoid that all this time? :D
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl that will sure help a lot!!!
 
@melak47 it’s not like you can think of it when you run into char (&(test(typename T::foo*))[1]; since we write that as e.g. yes_type& test(typename T::foo*);
 
that is slightly saner, true. :D
 
should have been sizeof(test<T>(0)) == sizeof(very_yes) though
@AndyProwl did you know functions can’t have array parameters
and arrays can’t have a function element type
it’s all related
 
and why std::array exists
it's all related
 
12:12 PM
@LucDanton An incestuous relationship...
 
@Telkitty duh. can you stop acting naive, and using it to fuel indignance or disdain?
 
Well that's a great forum software demonstration page
(nsfw)
 
@LucDanton lolwut did the non-copyabililty stop being a pain in the ass?
 
@sehe I maek joek
 
i maek luagh
@Columbo it's best to include the tags with the message
 
12:18 PM
(because from C++11 on copyability is not a prerequisite for returning, of course)
 
@sehe I'm cheeky
 
@LucDanton lol. It was too simple for me
 
@melak47 shit happens
 
@AndyProwl Next up: functions cannot return functions.
 
hey I'm not such a pleb
 
12:22 PM
can’t have an array of arrays either
 
@LucDanton so tempted to say something that includes the word 'syntax'
 
@slaphappy My internships paid better than that...
 
you're merkin right
 
probably looking for a foreigner from under developed country to work from abroad
 
12:33 PM
canadian
The company might be Fortune 500 but the employees sure arent make a fortune
 
Cost of living varies a lot, and in some countries interns are really not well paid
In france the minimum amount is €400
Usually it's €1000, so 17k usd I guess
 
the trick in making into the fortune 500 is to short paying your employee and save the difference
accounting 101
 
@Borgleader Don't expect great salaries in any publicly traded company anyway except if you're one of the biggies
Management is constantly pressured into paying employees less by shareholders
 
also I have fixed a part of my mortgage to 4.14% - the lowest rate I have ever received, and it wasn't without a fight, despite the fact my bank did send me a cookbook as Xmas gift ...
 
i'm tired of constantly fixing other people's shit
 
12:41 PM
@slaphappy lol definitely not.
15 USD/h?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean remote jobs are hard to come by. In some parts of France you can live very comfortably with that kind of money.
But still, it's a remote job and all, 30k is not enough
From other POVs - US, UK, the salary is just miserable
 
Xeo
I make 30k Eur until July!
 
@Xeo We're talking USDs here though.
I honestly wonder how wage is calculated for companies who hire a lot of remote workers from different locations
 
Xeo
@slaphappy ~$33k :D
 
@slaphappy It's 1.3 minimum wages. You can probably get the same locally without being so stressful or without requiring so much qualification.
 
12:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's stressful?
 
@slaphappy I'd guess at least in most cases, they offer what's required to be competitive in each market.
 
There are less stressful jobs. (And it's a Fortune 500; I don't expect it to be laid back)
 
wow whoa I know a lot of very laid back people in Fortune 500 companies
 
> Readiness to give all the effort necessary to do an excellent job - even if it means putting in extra time to research the problem you’re facing
Also this in the job description.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "unpaid overtime"
 
12:48 PM
"research" sounds so innocuous :)
 
I see now reading the optional interface that was standardized that unlike reference_wrapper, unique_ptr, and all of the other containing types, we have a .value() for this one.
 
@ThePhD not .get()? :o
 
@melak47 Yep.
#oversights
 
#consistency
 
12:50 PM
@JerryCoffin I've met several people working remotely here in Berlin who thought were lucky to get other-country-salaries in Berlin's cost of living, but then we did the math and were making just as much hourly as I am, but often working longer hours.
 
@Telkitty Big Mac for scale. I like it.
 
Ell
@Telkitty I'd choose denmark
or New Zealand
hmm or switzerland
 
Denmark has the highest taxes in the world or maybe it is sweden again now.
 
@Ell I know some New Zealanders who come to Sydney for employment :p
 
Ell
@JohanLarsson oh yeah :3
 
12:54 PM
@Telkitty I see you still value cynicism over accuracy. In reality, there's a pretty clear trend toward larger companies paying more then smaller ones. stackoverflow.com/research/…
 
@JohanLarsson I never know how people come to those statements, but I always find them misleading.
Which is a nice way to say "mostly wrong".
 
I read it on the internet :)
But I would be surprised if sweden and denmark were not #1 & #2
 
Ell
in the uk according to that average wage you'd keep 72% of yo income
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess that doesn't particularly surprise me.
 
@JerryCoffin I am speaking that as a general rule, regardless of the company size because wage/salary to employees is an expense. To maximize profit, you have to minimize expenses.
 
12:57 PM
have an ellipse ballon
 
> To maximize profit, you have to minimize expenses.
lol
Impressive.
@JohanLarsson A quick lookup gives me income tax in Denmark 29.68%-51.95%; The Netherlands 36.25%-56%.
 
I shall have more time to work on my app stuff
 
To maximize profit, you gotta be Batman.
@Telkitty Creating AI? :D
 
@JohanLarsson There's a lot of factors to consider, but I often find countries with higher taxes for any particular kind of tax.
 
@ReousaAsteron I would never create another artificial idiot to compete with yours!
 
1:03 PM
@JerryCoffin Though pretty soon they'll be making infinitely more than I am :|
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not gonna fight you but my gut feeling is denmark is higher. Maybe total tax income for the state / gdp is a good measure?
 
@Telkitty I made two of my friends test it and they were like The goal of creating a TicTacToe AI is for it to try to win not to make me mad. I love the feedback lmao
 
@JohanLarsson No, because that doesn't account for different population sizes.
 
user1804599
if ($row === null) {
    return null;
} else {
    return Uuid::fromString((string)$row['material_id']);
}
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Perhaps. Depends on how hard you work at getting a new job.
 
user1804599
1:04 PM
look at my code
my code is amazing
 
nvm, maybe it is bad
 
Ell
@Zoidberg is that perl?
 
user1804599
No, it's Hack.
 
user1804599
Perl has no ===, and null is written undef in Perl.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Absolutely correct. Productivity has no effect on anything!
 
Xeo
1:08 PM
@Zoidberg what if $row['material_id'] is null? :O
 
user1804599
@Xeo Then the RDBMS is broken, as material_id is NOT NULL. May, however, someone change the DB schema or the SQL query, then it'll result in '', as (string)null === ''.
 
> Then the RDBMS is MySQL
Did you mean this?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bottom line: there are so many different things you could measure that it's impossible to really compare without doing a lot more work to pin down what you care about comparing. For maximum tax rate, the highest seems to be France (75%). For minimum tax rate, the highest seems to be Iceland (37.3%). For corporations, the highest in terms of actual costs seems to be Argentina (taxes currently at about 137% of profits).
 
user1804599
$row has type Map<string, mixed>. mixed is a bit like C# object. (string) isn't a downcast; its operation is documented here. I don't think Hack has downcasts; its type checker just knows about instanceof used in ?: and if.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
 
user1804599
1:13 PM
also ugh PHP documentation still uses the term "variable" to mean "expression" or "value" all over the place
 
user1804599
Normally an expression cannot result in null if its type isn't ?T for some T, except mixed. mixed contains null (and ?mixed is illegal).
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well in the case of MySQL then this query would have already failed, since MySQL doesn't support window functions (lol).
 
lol, apparently two Syrian refugees provided first aid to a member of the NPD, an anti-immigration party in Germany.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sounds like the premise for a movie
 
Saved by "gesetzlose Primaten". Poor thing.
Speaking of primates...
Monkey selfies are a series of images taken by Celebes crested macaques using equipment belonging to the British nature photographer David Slater. The posting of the images on Wikimedia Commons was at the centre of a dispute in mid-2014 over whether copyright could be held on artworks made by non-human animals. Slater's claim of copyright on the images was disputed by several scholars and organizations, based on an understanding that copyright was held by the creator, and that a non-human creator (not being a legal person) could not hold copyright. In December 2014, the United States Copyright...
 
1:23 PM
I am about to write a blog entry about my 6 day hike during which I have taken 1500+ pictures. more than half of them are stunning beautiful or interesting, but I can't possibly posting all of them, what should I do?
Not many people are going to read my blog probably, but still ...
 
> The Office will not register works produced by nature, animals, or plants. Likewise, the Office cannot register a work purportedly created by divine or supernatural beings, although the Office may register a work where the application or the deposit copy state that the work was inspired by a divine spirit
 
@ThePhD Heyyyyyyy <3
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's a very interesting debate. Also: the photos are awesome
 
@slaphappy The photos are really amazing, which is why this became an issue at all.
And of course PETA decided to weigh in with their nonsense.
 
Good morning, you sexy entities.
 
1:28 PM
 
Ell
good afternoon you sexy component
 
Buh.
 
INF
 
1:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hahaha thats pretty good (although I think I prefer the first one on the wikipedia article, he looks so happy to take his portrait)
 
dat watermark
 
He's gone full crazy on the copyright stuff after the selfies became viral.
 
I mean, I have hundreds of pictures just like that ...
 
Changed the description of the pictures on the website from something that implied the monkeys stole the camera and played with it into a description that makes it look like an explicit set up for them to take selfies.
 
user1804599
1:34 PM
> The government has started the preventive evacuation of Netherlands in response to the attacks in Brussels.
 
Added all the watermarks too.
@Zoidberg lolwut
 
Ven
La couleur du futur paquet neutre : le "Pantone 448 C, finition mate" https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000032276123&dateTexte=&categorieLien=id https://t.co/a5ezVVAbJe
new color for the smokes in france :P
 
also I can't remember what interesting thing I have done on the 2nd day of my hike
 
user1804599
> Rutte: "At present there is no specific threat and are we going to evacuate the Netherlands as a precaution. I ask all 17 million citizens to calmly leave the country."
 
user1804599
It's from the Dutch Onion.
 
Ven
1:37 PM
:D
 
user1804599
help how to write integration tests
 
Ven
throw requests on the server
 
user1804599
I haven't yet implemented the REST API.
 
user1804599
Only the code that communicates with the database.
 
Oh wait, the 2nd day was probably the day on which I ran into 3 venomous snakes ...
 
1:47 PM
@Ven The new color should be 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0 because why the fuck are you smoking in 2016 =/ (and ill get plonked by half the lounge)
 
@Telkitty Were they smarter than my AI?
 
maybe, they slithered away pretty fast
 
I'm gonna need more code exercise
two games left to make :c
 
nice :p
 
What is that color D:
 
1:52 PM
Pantone 448 C
 
So it stops you from smoking?
 
Ven
no
 
but now your cigs look like bird shit
 
Ven
the point is to remove any label.
 
Expected first reply to say it's shit, was not disappointed twitter.com/eyejim/status/712274256751673344
 
1:54 PM
@slaphappy Rofl
It looks more like dry donkey shit than bird shit tbh
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes indeed.
 
It's a fitting color for something that's essentially shit.
 
@ReousaAsteron Not being a shit expert, I'll just go with "shit" for now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's all shit in the end.
I need to make better use of the single responsibility principle
 
2:02 PM
While MSNBC and CNN aired French President Hollande's comments on Belgium, Fox News went with Trump by phone https://t.co/C2AHUxCm6r
@R.MartinhoFernandes Much recuperation
 
@EtiennedeMartel Actually, I have close to no interest in what Holland will say, since it's gonna be the same old "condolences, blah blah, cannot let it happen again". I am morbidly curious of what Trump will say. Also, it's not like Hollande is the President of Belgium.
Actually, Trump's probably gonna go with the same old "close our borders"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or "take out their families"
 
"You see what happens when you don't do <whatever Trump wants to do>?"
 
> If you went into Brussels 20 years ago, it was like a magical city. Now you look at it, it's an armed camp
Oh, that's not the same old boring shit.
It's brand new shit.
 
Ven
my school managed to fuck up their rabbitmq install.
 
2:11 PM
You have to admit, he's constantly looking for new kinds of shit.
 
> Brussels
> Magical
come on
 
Yeah, he manages to be wrong in both counts.
 
Remember, kids: say a lie with enough confidence and authority and people will believe you.
 
The art of telling a lie ^^
 
> Brussels was an absolutely crime-free city, one of the most beautiful cities in the world
4
lol
 
2:14 PM
We're all Belgium now.
 
anyway, its sad what happened in Belgium. Luckily none of my family were anywhere close to the places it happened.
 
Brussels has always been among the top in crime rates among capitals in Europe.
 
Best liars; those who tell the truth more often than not and those who lie enough to believe in their lies.
The latter being a professional liar.
 
Current status: Just fixed the build on our build env by dropping boost/utility/string_ref[_fwd].hpp into our repo.
 
Ven
@sehe obviously you meant {,_fwd}.
 
2:20 PM
It wasn't bash syntax, but yes. I type that shit all the time (mv somefile{,_} etc)
 
Ven
:P
 
Ell
Balls. I broke grub or something :S
Ah no its my standard broken kernel
 
You'd grub more if you broke your balls
 
Ell
I don't know what I keep doing wrong :P
 
CLion now officially slightly less shit with the new release 2016.1
2
 
2:30 PM
still meh
also dat version bump :D
 
Do we have loungers in Brussels? :(
 
I can be a lounger anywhere
 
@milleniumbug slightly less shit is wht I said
 
Ven
@Borgleader not anymore.
 
user1804599
Lekker, stophoest.
 
2:32 PM
@Borgleader Not that I'm aware of
 
TIL I'm terrible at reverse engineering even the simplest web Java application
I can't keep track of all the shit that goes on
With weird cookies keeping track of where you are in the page and shit like that
 
Ven
the human brain can't remember names as long as java classes are.
 
It's the apotheosis of stateful machines
Can't even simulate a form submission without having to try to generate my own "where am in the page" cookies
 
user1804599
Oh cool TRUNCATE TABLE takes multiple tables.
 
@TonyTheLion Oh good, I thought @StackedCrooked was around there. I'm glad I was wrong.
 
user1804599
2:37 PM
@sehe dat pun
 
I don't know about @rubenvb though
where is he from?
 
Xeo
hrm
guys, I need decision help
 
yes
 
Xeo
I'll be in Hamburg for two weeks in a hotel, without a computer, at the moment.
Now I'm considering buying some notebook / ultrabook / tablet thingy
Any recommendations?
 
just for two weeks?
 
Xeo
2:50 PM
Well, I'd keep it afterwards :P
 
dell xps13 seems pretty good. or get a macbook
 
Xeo
Eh, I need Windows
 
Did they announce a new macbook yesterday?
macbook -> bootcamp
 
Ell
I bought a chrome book for a programming competition
Its p bad but its fine for just browsing I guess vOv
 
Xeo
Things I wanna do:
- browsing / usual stuff
- a bit of coding
- light gaming (graphically unintensive games)
 
user406009
2:51 PM
@Ell You didn't already have a laptop?
 
@Xeo Sounds like the perfect fit for a Macbook with those requirements
 
Xeo
1 min ago, by Xeo
Eh, I need Windows
 
yes use bootcamp
But idunno whats going on with macbooks. They haven't announced a new line for awhile now have they?
 
That reminds me, WHERE THE HELL ARE THE i7 T460ps?!
 
Xeo
Also, aren't macs super expensive relative to the performance I get?
 
2:54 PM
yes but they are shiny
 
Xeo
...
fuck shiny, don't need that
 
user406009
@Shoe Or any other laptop.
 
@Xeo yes, last time i checked
 
They probably also have pretty good battery life though I don't know if that changes drastically between OSX and Windows
 
user406009
And you can get the windows laptop for like half the price.
 
2:54 PM
> coding
 
Ell
@Lalaland nope
 
Xeo
I've been considering windows tablets mainly because I'd really like to play some VNs while laying on the couch or something, which don't need much power
 
Ell
I just have a desktop
 
> Macbook
Your turn
 
@Xeo dedicated graphics are a huge power drain IME
 
Xeo
2:55 PM
@melak47 ye
 
user406009
You can do coding on a Macbook or Windows laptop without too much difference.
 
user406009
And you can always dual boot one or the other.
 
Ell
@Xeo yeah but its not about performance I don't think
Battery life, build quality
 
user406009
The main difference is probably if you want to do ObjC stuff.
 
Xeo
And the games I wanna play really don't need huge graphics performance
 
Ven
2:56 PM
okay, so I got a segfault inside of boost::asio's locking mechanisms. cool.
 
Xeo
@Ell Battery life is only semi-important to me - in the hotel and at home I can just charge it whenever (and I'm not gonna use it 10h at a time), and on the train there's likely power sockets aswell
 
> playing VNs
That anime avatar
All the signs were there I guess
 
user406009
@R.MartinhoFernandes Was that Trump or something?
 
Are the new Thinkpads nice?
 
Ell
2:59 PM
@Xeo that's fair
 
Xeo
@Prismatic Or me posting about VNs and JRPGs before..
or even anime itself
 

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