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@Shoe My TV reads MKVs, AVIs and MP4. Even WMVs, I think. It also does H.265.
It depends on your TV, I guess.
 
I guess the question is: if my TV reads .avi but not .mkv, what's the likeliness that it reads .mp4 H.264?
 
have you checked the manual?
 
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@AlexM. I don't have the manual and the TV is so crappy you can't find it online
I tried it few months ago for another thing
 
3:04 PM
hm trial and error is your only bet
 
Yup, in an hour or so we'll find out
 
try with short vids for quicker feedback in case that's what the delay is caused by
 
@ProblemSlover Why won't they just pull their head out of their...nether region and re-implement JS as a byte-code compiler and a virtual machine. Then it's fairly easy to implement other byte-code compilers to run on the same VM, and other languages gain parity with JS much more easily.
 
I think that converting from .mp4 to .avi is easier anyway
The main issue is selecting the audio and subtitles you want from the mkv
 
if I were to choose
I'd get an HDMI cable from my PC to my TV
and use any format I want
 
3:06 PM
@JerryCoffin why you don't work for googkle. man?
 
since you have a laptop it's even easier to use a cable
(I guess you don't have a Mac Pro)
 
@ProblemSlover The job I have now pays better than they usually do, among other things.
 
@AlexM. I don't
But too much hassle
Moreover I watch movies on TV only when my girlfriend comes by. If it was for me I'd watch it on my 13' monitor without issues
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@Shoe 13" monitor sounds like a good excuse to hold her closer. If anything, I'd make sure the connection to the TV never worked... :-)
 
lol
 
3:12 PM
and the TV's processor might go crazy at times you know
introduce lag and things
you don't want that
my mom's TV can barely show the menu at a nice framerate
never tried to see how it fares with browsing the internet
 
@AlexM. The big problem with using the TV as browser isn't usually display--it's with the lousy input options. You can't just move the mouse to the link you care about--you typically have to "tab" through every link to get to the one you want. This gets really dreary in a big hurry.
 
@JerryCoffin unless there is a caret you can move through the text
though with the layouts you see these days that's about as user friendly as tabbing through all links
 
Another Global Gender Gap Report and some more misleading articles, again.
 
@ratchetfreak None I've seen (admittedly, only a few) has supported that though.
 
3:30 PM
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nwp
I had a thought today. There is a problem with building rockets in that when you add weight in that you need more fuel, but the fuel makes you heavier and then you need even more fuel which makes you even heavier. The rocket equation can tell you the final required fuel including fuel weight.
I wonder if there is a similar concept with distributed systems. You have 1 computer handling everything and it is not enough anymore, so you use 2 computers. But due to synchronization overhead they are much slower than the single one, so you use more computers, which causes more overhead.
 
if the overhead results in worse performance you don't use more than one
 
nwp
but you have to, because 1 is not enough
 
you do run into a limit that's the serial part (the part of the algorithm that you just cannot parallelize)+overhead
 
if "not enough" means "not fast enough" and using multiple computers is your only option
and using multiple computers results in worse performance
then you cannot solve your problem
you don't need to think in multiple computers for this btw you can think of threads on a single computer
where the overhead of managing threads beats the gain in speed
that's an ok starting point for finding out
google "how to know when program gets faster with multiple threads"
 
nwp
3:42 PM
I thought more in the direction that for linear performance gain you need an exponential number of pc's.
I wonder if that actually happened to some google engineers.
 
@Griwes Basically both sides are idiots. The ones in favour tend to refuse to acknowledge that some voter ID laws are crafted in ways that disproportionally affect specific groups (as was the case in NC) and as such they need to be done properly (by maybe, like you said, having mandatory photo IDs for everyone outside of a voting context), and the ones against are stupid because doing voter identification is just common sense, FFS.
 
you might want to also google about Amazon's services
they have all the server things
if someone told me that Amazon deals with way more difficult distributed computing tasks than Google
I'd def believe them
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, we agree on this fully it seems.
 
nwp
amdahls law kinda gives you a hard limit and getting closer to the limit might not actually help you
 
@ProblemSlover apparently, the target is riddled with holes though
 
3:46 PM
@Borgleader Homework dump of the day: stackoverflow.com/questions/40255100/…
 
@wilx In Portugal it's mandatory from age 10.
 
@wilx holy shit, that's some awful data processing
 
@sehe no cool things from google lately
pixel phone is crap
 
@nwp yes, but you see, and this is the really clever bit, you build the rockets so that a given mass of fuel can lift more than itself
 
tech companies like google/ apple/microsoft tend to have crisis.. only acquisition of other companies keeps them growing
 
3:53 PM
sweeping generalization galore
 
nwp
@thecoshman isn't that what I wrote?
same is not true for computers though, so you run into a problem that more parallelism just doesn't solve, so you don't need to bother with ridiculous server farms with millions of computers
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think it's less both sides being idiots, and (a lot) more both sides having (fairly transparent) agendas that have little or nothing to do with what they claim. Neither side can publicly admit it, but Republicans undoubtedly are trying to do at least some vote suppression, and Democrats equally certainly have committed various forms of voting fraud on a fairly regular basis for decades, and are doing their best to ensure that all forms of voting fraud remain open to them.
 
@JerryCoffin True, but I doubt the genpop supporters have those agendas.
 
@nwp I am mocking you for having this amazing revelation about the obvious
a rocket that can't generate thrust enough to lift it's own mass is just a fancy patio heater
 
@thecoshman That bit was not his revelation. That was an expository preface.
The "revelation" is in the message that follows it.
24 mins ago, by nwp
I wonder if there is a similar concept with distributed systems. You have 1 computer handling everything and it is not enough anymore, so you use 2 computers. But due to synchronization overhead they are much slower than the single one, so you use more computers, which causes more overhead.
 
4:03 PM
¬_¬ stop spoiling my fun
 
@Griwes Though in the end I think doing this right is just lipstick on a pig.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the honourable thing to do?
 
@thecoshman No. American electoral process is a pig. Fixing Voter ID doesn't fix the real issues.
 
IMO doing it right doesn't really fix much, so giving attention to the issue is diversionary.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think there may be a non-trivial portion of the US population that would object to mandatory IDs.
Someone who really feels strongly about giving as little ID as possible--having their name and information in as few government databases as possible--can currently opt out of driving (and a number of other things).
 
4:09 PM
I'm sorry, I didn't bother to see what you were on about
 
@caps Like voting! And social security!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup.
You're given an SSN at birth (something that some people find objectionable), provided you're born at a hospital and/or your midwife/parents/whomever takes the trouble to provide one, so that's (mostly) unavoidable.
I do know of some people whose parents did not get them SSNs.
 
And you cannot own land. Or pay taxes (and consequently have an income, right?).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You mean without an SSN. I don't think either of those things require any kind of ID in the USA.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Neither of these things require a photo ID in the USA either. Just an SSN.
 
@wilx I'm actually starting to worry that it might actually swing that way. Several of the swing states are flipping red again. There's a new model that takes into account for the "enthusiasm" and it's predicting astronomically high turnout for Trump supporters. So even though most of the country is against Trump, they won't show up to vote.
 
4:14 PM
@wilx Hillary is terrible and there is a lot you can say about her, but "sociopath" is a stretch. Trump on the other hand...
 
@nwp We've run into this here at work recently. I have a coworker who's a big fan of Cassandra, based almost exclusively on its ability to scale. We did a quick comparison to one I prefer (LMDB). I'm sure Cassandra can scale, but boy it had better scale really well too--at least for the quick test we ran, we'd have to scale it to literally hundreds of nodes just to keep up with a single instance of LMDB (and that's assuming it scales perfectly linearly, too).
 
@Mysticial "Most of the country" is not a good metric in the US election, and neither is "most of the voters".
@caps That's probably one reason identity theft is so bad.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Didn't Brexit happen because Remain didn't show up to vote?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how long until someone gets the bright idea to start gerrymandering the state borders
 
@Mysticial The referendum on Brexit was a direct vote.
The majority of the people who voted did vote Leave.
 
4:18 PM
@Mysticial You can always go to Russia if Trump wins.
 
In the US presidential election you can win with an arbitrarily low ratio of votes; you just need to add more running candidates.
To win the Brexit referendum you did need half+1 vote. You don't need that to win a presidential election in the US.
 
BREAKING: No democracy in US
bring the bombs, quick
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You need half+1 wins in 50 separate elections, each of which are half+1.
 
@Mysticial I don't know what data to look at to see if this is true, but since there was never any vote in the UK with a higher turnout than this one, I don't think it's viable to question its validity in those terms.
@EtiennedeMartel No, they're not half+1. They're 1/n+1.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes and no. You don't need a majority of the popular vote, but you do need a majority of the electoral vote. Thanks to the separation between popular and electoral votes, you can lose the election despite actually receiving a majority of the popular vote (e.g., in 2000, Al Gore clearly did receive a majority of the popular vote).
 
4:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right, sometimes there's more than two parties.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not questioning it's validity. If you don't show up, it's your loss. But from the theoretical side, if 60 of 100 people support remain. But only 30 show up to vote. And the remaining 40 all vote brexit because they are "more enthusiastic" about it, then it will swing that way.
Several of the pollsters for the US election are saying the same thing. The raw polling data shows Hillary up almost double-digits. But when they adjust for "enthusiasm" and the probability of turnout, it actually shows her behind in the national polls.
I don't know the math or the statistics to look at it myself. But the theory is sound.
 
@Mysticial Not if it only accounts for the people's vote.
The actual votes that count do not necessarily reflect that.
(And the system almost feels designed to ensure they don't)
@JerryCoffin Right, that's what I meant.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can you clarify on "people's vote"?
 
@JerryCoffin Btw, do you actually need a majority of the electoral vote, or is a plurality enough?
@Mysticial The votes people cast.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes. You need 270 out of 538. Otherwise it goes to congress.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right. I'm saying that pollsters because of they way they are don't, will have a different response rate than the actual vote turnout on election day.
 
4:30 PM
@Mysticial At least they got that right.
 
Polls are often done online or phone calls in which the person only need to answer the phone or do a few clicks online. Voting on election day means you need to actually get your ass up and go to a poll and wait in line.
 
@Mysticial In Colorado they mail everyone a ballot. They can mail the ballot in or go to the polls. They do early voting, too, so you can vote well before November 8th.
I'm mostly decided on my ballot, but there are a bunch of judges on the list that I know nothing about, not to mention state reps and such.
 
@caps I also voted early. But I physically walked into a poll 2 blocks from my apartment in downtown.
@caps I left all that judges stuff blank. Don't know any of them. Not qualified to judge them. no pun intended
 
@Mysticial You didn't pick the one with the coolest sounding name?
What kind of democracy is this
 
@Mysticial In Oklahoma leaving stuff blank invalidates your ballot. And you can't write anyone in. And they only list 2-3 Presidential Candidates (R and D in 2012; includes Johnson this year I think).
 
4:35 PM
@caps The entire ballot? That's stupid. The warning that I got was here in Illinois was that a blank entry may be counted as a negative vote. But it won't invalidate the entire ballot.
Though the terminology they use is so formal in legalese that I had to read it several times to decode it.
 
At least it wasn't in all caps though.
 
@Mysticial I suppose it might still count as a vote towards the number of votes cast.
 
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@caps Basically some of the props will only enact if 50+% of the ballots say yes. So a blank entry will implicitly be counted as a no.
 
4:37 PM
@Mysticial True that. I don't think that the real numbers would be significantly different if everyone (who wanted to vote) voted, though. I think the biggest reason was that people didn't really know what they were voting for (as can clearly be seen now by the fact that not even the people in charge know what they are supposed to do about it). So Leave turnouts were inflated by people voting for whatever else (Remain voters knew what they were voting for: same old, same old).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's nearly never made any real difference though--instances of third party candidates winning even a single electoral vote are extremely rare (I wouldn't be surprised if the most recent one to do so was Teddy Roosevelt).
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, I know. I was just interested in the system itself.
 
@JerryCoffin Utah might this year. lol
 
Really? Which one?
 
@JerryCoffin Are you sure?
 
4:39 PM
@caps About which part?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Evan McMullin. He's polling better than Trump or Hillary. Well over 30%, with the rest split between Trump, Hillary, and Johnson.
@JerryCoffin Teddy Roosevelt being the last one. I thought it was Perot.
 
@JerryCoffin There was a segregationist during the social rights movement which took some of the southern states.
That was after Teddy.
 
@JerryCoffin Also the popular vote majority thing only made a real difference four times; it's still silly that the system enables it.
 
@caps Certainly not sure about Roosevelt, no (thus the: "I wouldn't be surprised"). A quick check indicates that no, Perot didn't win any electoral votes though.
 
4:43 PM
The United States presidential election of 1968 was the 46th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 5, 1968. The Republican nominee, former Vice President Richard Nixon, won the election over the Democratic nominee, incumbent Vice President Hubert Humphrey. Analysts have argued the election of 1968 was a major realigning election as it permanently disrupted the New Deal Coalition that had dominated presidential politics for 36 years. The election year was tumultuous; it was marked by the assassination of civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr., subsequent race riots across...
 
@Mysticial Yeah. There were several before that as well.
 
@Mysticial Ah, yup. George Wallace in 1968.
 
@caps Only one poll showed that. Trump's still leading in the rest of them. There was one article that took a closer look at that poll and found that it wording of the poll biased in favor of McMullin.
But that doesn't take away from the fact that Utah is still a toss up between all 3.
 
@caps Does that have a map showing the different methods used by each state to pick their electoral college delegates?
Like which use winner-takes-all, etc.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not sure.
 
4:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Only Nebraska and Maine split. Everyone else is winner take all.
One district from each are competitive.
 
@Mysticial And how do they split?
@Mysticial Oh, so vulnerable to gerrymandering, then?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes State-wide winner takes 2. Then each district takes one.
 
Jesus fuck.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 2/3 districts in Nebraska are deep red. The last one is Omaha which is urban and more bluish.
1 district in Maine is very rural, and more reddish.
 
It's almost like it's impossible to agree on doing this right.
 
4:52 PM
@caps Doing some looking, it seems that "several" is actually two (La Folette and Strom Thurmond). For what it's worth, the total in US history is 10 times that a third party candidate has gotten at least one electoral vote. That is higher than I expected--doesn't really qualify as "rare" when it's a double-digit percentage of presidential elections.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The number of electors in a state is equal to the number of senators + representatives.
 
@JerryCoffin It's actually more common than the loser having the popular vote (4 times).
 
All states have 2 senators, and Nebraska has 3 districts (and 3 reps). So 5 total electoral votes.
 
"You are to fail a course" is what I predict. — KC Wong 10 hours ago
I like this guy
 
@Mysticial I mean that every change I see just makes it more complicated without actually fixing anything.
 
4:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh yeah. It's stupid.
 
@Mysticial Huh. That must have changed. That map showed several states where a single elector voted differently from the rest of the state.
 
Can Puerto Rican's vote in this election?
 
@wilx Nope. :(
 
"Ooooh, some states actually don't use winner-takes-all! Nice! Oh, they don't use winner-takes-all just so they can gerrymander it?"
 
@caps In the modern era only Nebraska and Maine split. Some of the older maps show other states splitting.
 
4:56 PM
Lotsa changes, just in that period.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Supposedly the legislature of Nebraska got pissed off that Obama won the Omaha district in 2008 that they wanted to gerrymander it to split it up. But it looks like Omaha is still one district. So it didn't happen. At least this was a rumor I heard from a friend.
 
> In that election, Andrew Jackson lost in spite of having pluralities of both the popular and electoral votes,[64] with the outcome being decided by the six state legislatures choosing the electors.
Well, something did get better.
 
The effect of this electoral system is that I almost never see presidential political ads.
Since I've never lived in a swing state.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, but one more minor point: a couple of those were elections where two different third party candidates both won electoral votes in the same election.
 
@Mysticial Well, I will ROFL, literally, if that happens. :D
 
5:11 PM
Who can impeach the President? Congress?
(Duh, who else?)
 
I for one am very thankful for the US presidential elections system.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. The impeachment is done by the House of Representatives, then the "trial" is held by the Senate (with the chief justice of the Supreme Court as its head instead of the vice president, who's also the president of the senate).
 
It's a never ending source of weird historical events.
@JerryCoffin When was the last time when VP actually presided over a Senate session?
 
@Griwes By tradition, nearly his only participation is to cast a vote in case of a tie. Nearly everything else is delegated to the president pro tempore.
 
I know. I'm just wondering when was the last time a VP actually presided.
 
5:18 PM
I wonder if impeaching Trump will alleviate or exacerbate the problem.
 
"See, the Congress is rigged. Bad people running Congress, just like Crooked Hillary. Shame. I alone can fix it."
 
please no trump here
crooked hilary too
 
@Griwes Well, every election anyway. A joint session of congress certifies the count from the electoral college, and the vice president actually presides over that.
 
Oh wait, impeachment is charging for misconduct. Is there a way to depose the President without accusing him of anything (and if so, what's the name)?
Like "you're terrible at this, get out".
 
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5:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, there's not. He has to be accused of something that falls under "high crimes and misdemeanors". And, of course, to actually get rid of him he has to be convicted (and although there have been a couple of impeachments, there's never been a conviction).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can't other to than to vote him out after 4 years.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh. That I did not know. Cool.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...well, in case of losing, Trump would like to "win" by setting the 2nd Ammendment into motion (far further than it is actually viable from what I understand, but he doesn't seem to grasp that :P)...
 
And can the President dissolve Congress?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope. If memory serves, he can call a special session of congress when they wouldn't otherwise be in session, but can't do anything to stop a normal session from happening.
 
Oh, interesting.
Dissolving parliament and vetoing laws are pretty much the only things the Portuguese President can do.
 
5:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does he not appoint prime minister or some such?
 
@Griwes The vice presidency existing at all was a side effect of designing the electoral college. They were afraid of deadlocks from electors all voting for their own state's favorite son candidates, so they originally designed it so each elector would have two votes, one of which had to be for a candidate from outside their own state. They foresaw, however, the possibility of electors doing a throwaway vote to avoid raising a viable opposition to their own favorite.
To ensure both votes would be used meaningfully, they said whoever got the most votes would be president, and whoever came in second would be the vice president.
 
@Mysticial I get that simply by never watching TV.
 
@wilx Oh, yeah, that, but it has to be in accordance with the electoral results. It's more of a formality than a power.
 
@wilx appoint != choose in most cases like that.
 
Though the current Prime-Minister actually was second in the elections.
The winner got a vote of no confidence from Parliament.
 
5:31 PM
That didn't last long though. We ended up with an equivalent of Hillary as president and Trump as her vice president. As you can guess, that went poorly enough that they passed the twelfth amendment to change things to how they are now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why would the President be able to do that??
 
@caps Checks and balances?
It's not uncommon.
 
@caps It is how parliament works in quite a few countries. There is still a little bit of balance though: the head of state (president or monarch as applicable) can compose/dissolve parliament, but s/he can't pass new laws (especially, can't impose taxes) on his/her own, so while parliament can be dissolved for a while, it usually can't last very long.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, but the president can sue congress. I'm not sure that has ever happened though.
 
5:36 PM
hahaha
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It seems like more power than should be in the hands of the Executive. "Nope. You guys go home. I don't want you to do that."
 
@caps Ah, but he's not the executive.
 
@AlexM. Best in class in cosmetic dentistry, so I'm guessing it was more like: "make it as ugly as possible, so they'll concentrate on my teeth."
 
It's more like a referee for the other branches (Parliament, Government, and Courts)
Though I think there's nothing he can do to the court system.
Oh, I guess his power there is presidential pardons.
@caps Blue marks republics where the president heads the executive branch: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/…
 
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@AlexM. Looks fine to me.
 
5:45 PM
we found the barber
 
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My aunt has that haircut too, but purple.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes ...but if he has a strong disagreement with the constitutional court, that would be a lot of pardons... :-)
 
@rightfold lol
 
@JerryCoffin Hmm, looking into it, even this seems ceremonial. Government proposes the pardons; he signs them.
So the worst he can do is not pardon anyone he doesn't like.
He can't issue random pardons out of the blue.
 
5:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd guess that even if it's not official, he can unofficially make suggestions to the government on who they should suggest that he pardon. If that person really deserves a pardon (or he's just overwhelmingly popular) there's probably a decent chance they'll listen.
 
Yeah, but so can the Prime Minister's wife.
I.e. he'd be essentially doing that as a private citizen who has the ear of Government.
I'm locked in the office.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In the USA, the Executive (President) also nominates Supreme Court Justices. Well, technically, he and the Senate consult together on Justices, but for a long time now it has been the President that brings candidates before the Senate.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In theory, yes. In reality, he probably has a lot of leverage in this respect: "If you actually want your nominees pardoned, you'd better nominate the person I ask you to."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes When the President doesn't head the executive branch, what do they do? And how is the Executive branch composed?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you work on one of those offices where they put the hinges on the outside of the door?
 
5:56 PM
@JerryCoffin Ah, I guess. And since there's no way to depose the President, Government can't really do much about it.
@JerryCoffin there's a gate outside between the courtyard and the street and I don't have that key.
I could climb it, I guess.
 
@AndyProwl topkek
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, so this is your punishment for working too hard and staying late at the office?
 
@caps can't speak for anywhere else, but in Portugal it's pretty much: dissolve Parliament, veto laws, and general head of state things.
Oh, and armed forces.
Formally he is the one doing declarations of war, but Parliament must approve it first.
So mostly about removing power from others
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does he have some ability to give orders to the military on a temporary basis without parliamentary approval?
 
Ideally because it's misused, though theoretically he could just dissolve Parliament repeatedly until he gets the one he wants or the term ends, whichever comes first.
In practice there hasn't been any blatant abuse (in 42 years), despite all of those "real powers" having been invoked a few times.
@JerryCoffin like ordering an invasion?
Not sure.
I don't think the Constitution makes explicit what it means to be the supreme leader of the armed forces.
It just lists it.
 
6:06 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes In theory it's that way in the USA, too, but the last 24 years or so haven't really honored that idea.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But that does fall under the presidency?
 
@JerryCoffin yeah.
 
@caps Quite a bit longer than 24 years. The last declaration of war was WWII (and both Korea and Vietnam were much larger than any of the recent conflicts).
 
So I guess he could force another state to declare war on him if Parliament rejected his decision to declare it
The Constitution is terribly vague in some of the things it allows or forbids.
 
@JerryCoffin Wow. Ironic that the last time Congress declared war was under FDR.
Maybe not ironic. But interesting.
 
6:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So that means that while there are undoubtedly limitations (especially if it involves extra spending and such), but there's a pretty clear intent that he can give at least some sort of orders to the military.
 
@JerryCoffin actually pretty confusing.
 
@caps More interesting, perhaps, is that we've officially been in a state of emergency since 1979.
 
@JerryCoffin What was the impetus at the time?
 
@JerryCoffin We've also been on terror warning orange for last like 16 years right?
Granted, I haven't heard them announce that for a while.
 
@Mysticial So absurd.
 
6:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It usually is. Conflicting intents lead to compromises that often makes little sense.
@caps Iran hostage crisis.
 
President is the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, but their duties are defined by Parliament, who must consult the High Council of National Defense, the head of which is the President.
Fucking hell
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
@JerryCoffin Weird. So what are the actual effects of being in a state of emergency?
 
The remaining members of the High Council are determined according to legislation (i.e. Parliament) and can be members of Parliament.
I guess that in case the President and Parliament e ever disagree on such matters, it's going to be a fucking mess
 
@Mysticial No--it's been down to yellow a fair amount of time (but has never dropped to blue or green since it was invented).
 
@JerryCoffin yeah, financing is entirely determined by Parliament.
Also, the AF are explicitly prohibited from taking up arms against the governing bodies (President, Government, Parliament, Courts), which is particularly funny because this Republic came to be as a result of the AF taking arms against Government.
 
6:24 PM
@caps Widely varied. In theory, it grants the president immense extra powers. In reality, in these cases it's primarily to support things like economic sanctions. The alternative would be for congress to pass a law specifically to impose the sanctions/trade embargoes. I believe that was done in the case of Cuba, but not Iran. In theory, congress is allowed to vote on a state of emergency being continued after six months. In fact, they've never done so.
@R.MartinhoFernandes More funny because, well, if they decide to break that law, who exactly is going to stop them? (honestly: yes, somebody might. If the AF violate domestic law, the government can probably call on allies to come to their defense, just as if they were being invaded by some outsider).
 
The very first sentence in the Constitution is a description of that event.
@JerryCoffin does that ever happen?
Oh wait, it does.
All the time. I misread.
 
@ProblemSlover Moving to Russia is starting to sound better all the time... :-)
 
@JerryCoffin Hackers are welcomed there
 
6:39 PM
Speaking of coup attempts, has there ever been a particularly believable determination about whether the one in Turkey this summer was real, or was just a way for Erdogan to get rid of a few enemies?
 
Nope.
At least not that I know of.
 
@Borgleader
First of all you need to watch your code content while posting questions. You have inappropriate content in your post. — stacker flow 8 hours ago
 
@JerryCoffin does it matter, though?
It being real doesn't legitimize the reaction.
 
@JerryCoffin At least some of the people involved thought it was real, AFAIK.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fair enough. I'd still find it interesting to have some idea though. I guess in th end, it doesn't make much difference, since I'm not in any position to do anything about it either way.
 
6:48 PM
@JerryCoffin (so now I'm reading the entire document) Actually there's an article that gives every citizen the right to use violence to resist any attempt to remove their fundamental rights if it is not possible to recur to the authorities, so that would legitimize an event like the one who installed this Republic.
 
@Mysticial hey
 
And there's an article that guarantees the genetic integrity of humans, wtf
Was not expecting that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've never studied the older government in any detail, but what little I recall certainly seems to confirm that (pretty much a pure dictatorship, complete with secret police and such, wasn't it?)
 
Capital H Humans.
@JerryCoffin yes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You there with the pig valve in your heart. Sorry, but you're violating the constitution!
 
6:56 PM
@ColdFire Um hi?
@R.MartinhoFernandes wut
 
@Mysticial just saw your answer with 21k upvote
wow you beat jon skeet man
 
@Mysticial ikr. This is a document from 1976, though it has been through seven revisions. I'll have to check when this particular provision was added.
 
@ColdFire Um... there are quite a few posts that have "beaten" Jon Skeet...
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can't tell if that's a genuine attempt to weed out Darwin Award winners or a subtle way to be racist.
 
@Mysticial well i have only seen one that is yours so, its 210k rep from one answer, that is wow
 
@ColdFire No, not even close to 210k. Don't forget the repcap.
 
7:02 PM
@Mysticial aah yeah but must be around 150k then
 
@Mysticial it uses wording that refers to the human species, not any particular ones. It's meant to prevent certain scientific developments.
 
@ColdFire I don't know. I need to find and run that SEDE script to see how much it actually gave me.
 
"creation, development, and use of technology and scientific experimentation"
 
@Mysticial yeah actually i was impressed by the avg of 338 per answer that is well well well above any one
 
It does feel completely out of place, and an unusual thing to put in a constitution.
 
7:11 PM
@Mysticial Is it SFW?
 
@Borgleader Kind of. Nothing sexual. No images, just ascii diagrams in code.
 
@Mysticial xD dat ascii art
 
@Mysticial btw nice pic of inori there
 
Ell
@LucDanton youtube.com/watch?v=lwNRkP5_m1k translate please <3
(maybe these will interest you, not sure)
 
7:34 PM
Hi leeches.
 
Ven
8:01 PM
hi @Morwenn :3
 
Ell
hi :)
 
Any exciting news?
 
Ven
You're here!
 
Of course I am :o
 
@Ell I like how he writes "SET" and pronounces it as "un ensemble".
 
8:11 PM
I spent the day fixing bugs again u__u
I haven't developed actual new features in weeks.
 
If the USA were to pay off $1billion of debt every week, assuming they accrued no new debt, it would take almost 400 years to pay it all off.
 
What about Greece?
 
here's a language I bet not even @rightfold tried
BETA is a pure object-oriented language originating within the "Scandinavian School" in object-orientation where the first object-oriented language Simula was developed. Among its notable features, it introduced nested classes, and unified classes with procedures into so called patterns. == Features == === Technical overview === From a technical perspective, BETA provides several unique features. Classes and Procedures are unified to one concept, a Pattern. Also, classes are defined as properties/attributes of objects. This means that a class cannot be instantiated without an explicit o...
 
What about Malbolge?
 
that one is more famous I think
this one is so unfamous it's dead
Please notice that the BETA projects are currently inactive, and these pages are not being maintained!
 
8:21 PM
But the article doesn't use the preterit to describe it :o
 
> The abstraction mechanisms include class, procedure, function, coroutine, process, exception, and many more, all unified into the ultimate abstraction mechanism: the pattern. In addition to the pattern, BETA has subpattern, virtual pattern, and pattern variable.
the ultimate abstraction mechanism
nice :)
 
8:36 PM
Not even abtract patterns? How is that the ultimate abstraction mechanism?
 
Ven
not even pattern factories
4
 
8:56 PM
pattern pattern
 
user1804599
@Ven Wrapping shit APIs in nice APIs is really easy:
 
user1804599
consume chan queue opts = produceAff \emit ->
  let onMessage = emit <<< Left
      onEnd     = emit $ Right unit
  in _consume chan queue opts onMessage onEnd
 
user1804599
From callbacks to coroutines!
 
user1804599
@AlexM. not interested either
 

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