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user1804599
2:09 PM
 
user406009
@elyse Is that your programming language?
 
user1804599
2:25 PM
No.
 
user1804599
It's a program that uses React.
 
user406009
2:35 PM
What programming language is that though? It's certainly not JavaScript.
 
user1804599
LiveScript and Go.
 
React is good
 
I don't know how to handle closing my application and give things an opportunity to clean up
 
You shouldn't use refs that way, though.
You should store their value in state and listen to changes.
 
user406009
@Prismatic Capture SIGINT.
 
2:42 PM
@Lalaland its a gui app. Im just trying to think of a way to let some one using the lib do clean up when the application has received a request to quit (sigint, user input, whatever)
 
user1804599
@Puppy Why?
 
user1804599
File a bug with the tutorial.
 
Because you're rendering an empty input so the user cant type in it.
 
user1804599
I'm not.
 
user1804599
You can type into it perfectly fine.
 
user1804599
2:43 PM
That is only the case when you explicitly specify a value property.
 
Only because it just so happens that React isn't updating that part of the DOM
 
user406009
@Prismatic Add some methods to your api then for cleanup.
 
As soon as React updates, you're toast.
 
@Lalaland its easy to say that but hard to think of good ways to do it
So far all I can think of is trying to come up with a way to register callbacks
like the user can add a "onQuit" callback or something
 
You should always explicitly render everything you want
And since you want text in the input, you should render some.
The React website explains how this works
 
Ccr
2:48 PM
Boooring
 
Hello everyone!
Did I miss some drama? :)
 
Ccr
Hi @Morwenn
 
Hmm, they added a thing about uncontrolled components, but that's pretty silly really
 
@Morwenn You missed Sino getting kicked repeatedly, but otherwise thats all I think
 
@Borgleader Ow too bad. I wish I had been there :(
 
user1804599
2:50 PM
ok
 
Ok so I loaded the exr image... i guess i need to shove it in an RGBA32F texture now
 
user406009
@Prismatic Why would a library have an onQuit callback? The library shouldn't be controlling the lifecyle of the application.
 
The library needs to provide a way for the dev to do clean up when the application is going to exit.
 
user406009
A simple cancel method should suffice.
 
Im using SDL. I get a SDL_QUIT event when someone closes the main window. The dev should be able to react to that, maybe save some work or something
What 'cancel' method?
 
user406009
2:56 PM
Ok, StarGazer now works correctly in HTTPS mode. It also shows deleted messages the way they were originally. @TonyTheLion
 
user406009
SDL is more of a framework than a library since it controls the main loop of your application.
 
user406009
onQuit callbacks are fine for frameworks.
 
> It also shows deleted messages the way they were originally
As an owner I can already see deleted messages
 
user406009
Oh, for some reason I thought you were the one who explicitly requested that fix.
 
user406009
Oops.
 
3:02 PM
I didn't realize your plugin was supposed to show deleted messages
but good you fixed the gibberish it was spitting out
 
user406009
Had to shell out $8, but it's all for the glory of chat, so it's fine.
 
Not too bad
@StackedCrooked shells out way more every month to keep coliru alive
 
Ell
Hi
I keep forgetting to donate to coliru :3
 
3:19 PM
> Although often repeated, the version of his suicide stating he chose to commit suicide rather than allow the Wehrmacht to enter the Pasteurs' crypt[4] is not sustainable.[5] Instead, a contemporary journal article[6] as well as the testimony of Meister's granddaughter[7] indicate that he was overwhelmed by the guilt of having sent his family away, thinking it had resulted in their deaths. In a tragic irony, they actually came back the same day he took his life.[8][9]
@Ell Wandbox > all
@StackedCrooked I'm so sorry, but it's over. I figured it would be best to tell you over the Lounge, since I know no other way of contacting you
Srsly tho, Coliru is still good when actually having to code
Wandbox is better for testing behavior of compilers for different versions
Although the Vim interface is nice
 
@Ell Aww man, I should too.
 
Ell
Hmm where to go out for tea
 
Tea tastes weird.
 
user406009
Tea is awesome
 
3:35 PM
It depends on the tea.
 
Ell
I meant dinner actually, but I think I will have a cup of trw now
 
@CatPlusPlus I see you play ARK.
I have it too, but I haven't played it too much because I get like 20FPS on Medium settings last time I checked.
But the game looks so beautiful and low settings is just bad.
Did you know a GTX-980 can barely run the game at 60FPS at 1080P High settings? It's horrible.
 
@Nooble Reminds me of that game that got worse performance as you turned features off
 
user406009
@Nooble That's because high settings are always stupid.
 
Let's see if this spaghetti sauce I just made is edible.
 
user406009
3:49 PM
Fancy shadows are worthless.
 
> Athletes, musicians, singers, pilots... can be really impressive. Programming usually takes time and watching someone coding is boring, especially for non-tech people. Basically, you're recognized only when you launch a startup and it succeeds.

> What can I do in less than 10 minutes to impress girls/friends/family?
...
 
@Lalaland For that game it's the only way to play.
 
@Ell If takeaways are PHP, then this is assembly, and there's no real middle ground. :P
 
High is more like normal.
 
user406009
Then the game is just poorely coded.
 
3:51 PM
@Borgleader Which one's that 0_o
@Lalaland I think it was made in either UE4 or Unity.
 
Drag and drop all the graphical features!
Backface culling?! What's that?!
 
@Nooble Huh?
 
Ell
3:55 PM
Yumm spaghetti
 
@ElimGarak What?
 
Ell
I think I'm going to go out for some goulash myself
 
Ah, you guys are foolin' around.
Pizza here.
 
@ElimGarak I need to borrow your 980.
To play this game at 55 FPS.
I think it's the vegetation.
 
Yeah, folks that have no idea how to write an engine usually do a poor job of using an existing one.
Using OS X right now. Hilarious game selection in the AppStore.
Just gonna play KOTOR on my phone instead.
 
user406009
4:00 PM
@ElimGarak I would also argue that the video also shows how hard it is to create a 3D game.
 
user406009
People expect so much out of the assets.
 
@ElimGarak You can run KotoR on a phone!?!
 
user406009
They want animations, they want decent maps, etc, etc.
 
@Borgleader Yeah, it was ported a while ago, a solid port actually. It is also universal, so I have it running both the iPhones and the iPads around the house. Perfect for toilet play sessions.
 
Ell
@elim there are no docs on writing an engine though :/
 
4:01 PM
@Ell Yup, it's all what you need out of it. No recipe matching your desires.
 
Ell
there are docs on individual techniques
But no high level view
 
@ElimGarak Damn... I've been meaning to play KotoR 2 again since they did a pretty big patch for it recently.
 
@Borgleader Yeah, no more widescreen fixes!
 
Ell
Hmm Cool
 
4:03 PM
@Borgleader That's the kind of book I want to read, even though I don't plan to write an engine.
 
Ell
Though I keep mistaking "realtime renderer" for "game engine"
 
Many things constitute a game engine, but the renderer is the most tangible of them all. Humans tend to cling to "seeing is believing".
 
Ell
I'm not really interested in the other bits
 
Need to implement IK but bah math.
 
4:06 PM
Wellp, I just purchased Borderlands for OS X. Haven't played it, probably the only thing not-shit there.
There is a game called "Door Kickers"... It's about cops kicking down doors.
Hey, they ported Shadow of Mordor to OS X.
 
Ell
I think I will attempt this when I get home
 
That's a pretty bad technique for today's standards.
 
Ell
It is well documented though
That is Pretty much the only important thing for me at this point :P
 
Yup. No damage either doing it progressively, improving all the time.
Homeworld Remastered not so remastered.
 
Ell
But if you have a well documented more modern one I would appreciate
 
4:16 PM
@ElimGarak Have you heard of WorldMachine and if so, do you know what kind of techniques it uses to generate its terrains?
The results look awesome.
 
@Borgleader Multifractal theory mostly. But there is also a great deal of parametrization and applying different stuff to get the results. All things procedural, you can bet it is fractals at its core, just stuffing more and more frequencies and layers of it until it stops looking like shit.
You can start experimenting with Perlin noise if you wish to get into such things.
Perlin noise is also at the core of many approaches to cloud rendering today (GTA V being a notable example, although pretty poor quality).
 
Didn't Minecraft used a variant of Perlin noise at first too?
 
Right, but, isnt there also like uh... water simulation for river creases and such?
 
@Borgleader There have been proposals to introduce simulated erosion on top of all that, but I am not particularly sure WorldMachine uses it.
 
Ell
I have seen things online for water erosion simulation
what we need is physically based terrain with wind and rain and dinosaurs
 
4:21 PM
@ElimGarak Ah, because thats one of the things that interests me. I'd like to give that a go.
eventually xD
 
Ell
And worms and moles n that
 
That's pretty advanced, but no reason why you couldn't do it if you persist.
A lot of the time, at least the artists I know, folks like to go in and put in the "human touch". But given the procedural nature of it all, it's damn impressive.
 
You can invent your own noise basis if you feel so inclined. Many folks do very fancy shapes.
 
Ell
Looks like voroni with a weird gradient
 
4:24 PM
All you have to do is to define a set of rules and follow them to find a pretty pattern. And then layer different spatial frequencies on top of each other with blending and stuff.
 
@Ell or just blurred
 
That particular one is Worley's foam/noise. Some research papers regarding cloud rendering propose using it to create that bubbly effect to clouds which are procedurally generated at a distance from the camera.
 
I saw a cloud rendering thing recently:
The Real-Time Volumetric Cloudscapes of Horizon Zero Dawn available at http://www.guerrilla-games.com/publications.html
didnt have time to dive into it yet, but at first glance it seemed cool
 
Unlike your mother
 
that didnt even make sense
 
4:28 PM
With game developers writing these presentations, I cannot stress it enough to dive into their references. That's where the meat of it is. Usually, their work is a shadow of the reference's idea. Mostly because of pampering to the shitty consoles of today and using equations without understanding them.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Homeworld seems quite close in idea to our goals for Kyrostat.
 
@Lalaland I think that Homeworld was the inspiration to Kyrostat a few years ago.
 
Aight, time to try this new Diablo 3 patch
 
Also, @Borgleader, feel inclined to post your progress pics here. No matter of the skill level, watching rendering tech grow is always fun.
 
sure
 
4:32 PM
Same goes for @Nooble.
 
but right now, I'll be focusing on HDR and linear lighting (understanding the subject) and also demystifiying srgb/linear and color profiles.
 
You're already a decade ahead of all game developers on Earth. It took them 10 years to figure out that you shouldn't light in gamma space. Like I said, they use the equations, seldom understand them.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak You bought Homeworld Remastered? How does it compare to the originals?
 
@Lalaland It's still the same great game, but the "remastered" claim is a bit exaggerated.
 
@ElimGarak :)
Trying to figure out a good file format.
 
user406009
4:34 PM
@ElimGarak Is it just higher resolution graphics and voice? Or did they change the UI/gameplay at all?
 
.obj is nice but doesn't support animations.
 
@Nooble You're 15, you can afford to invent your own. Invited too, even.
 
@ElimGarak That sounds like a project on its own.
 
In OpenGL Insights theres an articles on making/designing your own format. I eventually intend to do something similar to whats outlined in it and then make a plugin for Blender for it :)
 
Nah, it can be very specialized for your needs.
 
user406009
4:37 PM
So just newer models?
 
It is basically the smallest changes, like some cheap rendering tech that doesn't require drastic updates to the assets.
 
user406009
No gameplay/UI improvements?
 
It plays better a bit, but far from what I expected. I guess I have pink glasses on when I think of Homeworld. It was awesome back when.
Speaking of back when, I might play Freelancer again.
 
@ElimGarak But then I'd need to make a modeler.
 
@Nooble Silly man, you write a plugin for your tool. :P
 
4:39 PM
@ElimGarak ~effort~
 
@Nooble a lot less than making a modeler.
 
@ElimGarak Did you make your own format?
 
Eventually, when you get serious, you'll have to support many existing formats if you don't want your artists biting your dick off.
Yes, a long time ago. Now I support almost every format on the planet, with FBX taking the cake.
I have proprietary formats for less good things, tho.
 
theres a lib for loading fbx though right? i mean from Autodesk?
 
Yeah, I think they do offer one.
 
Ell
4:41 PM
I wonder what the best way to render an infinye point grid is
 
user406009
@Ell Ray Casting!
 
@Ell Eh, ime plane grids are not infinite
 
@ElimGarak Yes, FBX looks nice.
 
I really want to do some advanced rendering on OS X. Hoping that Nvidia will do the Metal drivers soon. OpenGL 4.1 and OpenCL 2.0 are fairly limited.
 
@ElimGarak Limited where?
 
4:44 PM
I like how Apple further fractured the battlefield with Metal. You can be sure they won't be letting Vulkan anywhere near their platform. The reason they didn't go beyond OpenGL 4.1 was because nothing met with their "approval".
@Nooble Compute shaders are @ 4.3. And many advanced features, which you don't need right now. :P
 
@ElimGarak Their shooting themselves in the foot. Or, I hope so at least.
 
Ell
Apple always like to fracture
 
The guy maintaing OpenGL for Blender on OS X rage quit recently because of how bad the situation is (bugs 'n all)
 
It's like Facebook versus any other social network. It can be a thousand time better, but Facebook has its users. And Apple's are religious in their reverence.
 
user406009
The only solution is for everyone to not use DX12 or Metal.
 
user406009
4:46 PM
Force Apple's and Microsoft's hands.
 
user406009
But that will never happen.
 
user1804599
what to do if fetching the currently logged in user fails
 
DX12 will get traction for sure, but fuck Metal.
 
I guess I am one of the few that will use all three and enjoy it. For now, I am using Metal with iOS devices. Writing cool demos for myself to enjoy.
 
user406009
We clearly need another manifesto: "Proprietary graphics APIs considered harmful"
 
Wellp, there is one good thing. The more people say fuck Metal, the more game market space left for people who don't fuck Metal. :P
@StackedCrooked Sexual content, starred.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak So Money >>>> Ethics?
 
@Lalaland Naturally. :P
It was a long time coming, Metal that is. The work group behind OpenGL never did meet with Apple's "standards". And by extension, Vulkan (because Apple was aware of Vulkan since the days of glNext, and still went forward with Metal). They would've pulled out their cocks if they were worried.
 
user406009
Do you think Apple made the decision just based on technical merits? Or more for consumer lockdown reasons?
 
The latter. No technical merits, really. I think that Metal is not quite on par with either DX12 or Vulkan. Apple was always really bad at games. But now they're less bad. Lessons learned from the mobile AppStore, I suppose.
 
4:57 PM
The only game Apple needs is Photoshop ;)
 
Yup. There was a time where I considered only two games for OS X. World of Warcraft and EVE Online. Other stuff was mostly absolute shit.
 
inb4 both of those are shit too
 
Yeah, but they were "real" games, whatever "real" means. :D I used to play EVE Online only because of the chat.
 
user406009
But the only thing Apple gets from killing Vulkan is locking out Linux users. I don't think Apple faces too much competition from Linux (other than Android)
 
Does Android monetize anything actually? I feel like Android users pick it over iOS solely because they can slap on atrocious fonts and software piracy. They call the former "customization". I know many apps there go free + ads route. And there were only 25 countries that could participate in monetizing apps directly.
 
user406009
5:01 PM
Android has cheaper phones.
 
user406009
People don't really care about customization.
 
Yeah, that too.
 
user406009
They just want the cheap phones.
 
user406009
(And the really expensive phone-tablet thingies)
 
user406009
(I have no idea why people like those so much)
 
user406009
5:02 PM
(I guess people thing bigger screen = better?)
 
I like iOS for "fun-development" because the development environment is kinda fancy, the hardware is not too shabby, the displays are awesome and now with Metal and very nice rendering caps, it's pretty fun running cool stuff @ 1920x1080 on a fat display enveloped by a pretty case.
Never took the AppStore craze seriously, though. Did some backend work for folks, but never took the brunt of the risk.
 
user406009
I'll give you that. Apple tends to have really nice displays for their products.
 
If Vulkan hits mobile, I'll be picking up their phone as well. Same goes for DX12 on mobile, but that's not there yet either.
 
user406009
You think Apple will allow Vulkan on iOS?
 
@Lalaland Really? I find them normal.
 
5:06 PM
Apple has a strict "standard" of expectations which OpenGL has been failing since 4.2. And now with Metal, I find it extremely unlikely.
 
Competitors even have 2560x1440 displays.
 
@Nooble It only matters if the display size is larger. If it is larger, I want it. If it's not, there's a point DPI becomes irrelevant.
 
user406009
@Nooble Yes, but apple has really good support for high DPI displays.
 
user406009
That support exists in other OSes, but Apple is the current king of that feature.
 
Also, there's a point where display size competes with tablets, that's bad.
And yeah, supporting high DPI is pretty "natural", I agree.
 
user406009
5:08 PM
@Nooble And yes, there exist competing laptops with displays.
 
Ah, I was referring to mobile phones exclusively. iPhone 6 Plus being the current (mine).
 
user406009
But they are relatively niche and pretty darn expensive.
 
I've always found OS X's desktop environment pretty wonky. Guess I am just used to Windows.
 
Take for example my phone, the GS6, it has an OLED 1920x1080 display. It's nothing fancy, really.
 
I did iPad dev for a semester in Uni. I hated all of it.
 
5:12 PM
@Borgleader Did they force you to do shitty development from those templates? For utility apps and the like?
 
OSX, Xcode, Obj_C, all of it.
@ElimGarak Nah we ported an opengl game
 
I don't like Objective-C particularly either, a necessary evil as the only reasonable "system interface" though. You can kinda do your thing with C++ though (LLVM/Clang) and then just access it. But easier said than done.
 
I was given a big scarf a few days ago. It's so comfy that I can't get out of it.
 
user1804599
@Puppy do you use ReactLink?
 
user406009
@elyse I find that it's usually simpler to forgo stuff like that.
 
user1804599
5:18 PM
???
 
user406009
Just use onChange handlers.
 
I feel like doing something cool with the GitHub API.
 
@Nooble I might be available for killing in 2.5-3.5 hours
 
user1804599
@Lalaland why?
 
user406009
Simpler. Less "magic" going on.
 
user1804599
5:20 PM
LinkedStateMixin isn't magic.
 
I've never heard of reactlink
 
user406009
Also, you can't use mixins with ES6 React classes.
 
user1804599
@Puppy It abstracts value={this.state.x} onChange={this.updateX} into valueLink={this.linkState("x")}: facebook.github.io/react/docs/two-way-binding-helpers.html
 
user406009
@elyse Yes, but the replacement code is so minor that I usually don't consider it worth it.
 
user1804599
@Lalaland ES6 classes are terribly limited in all sorts of ways. I don't care about them. Also, I use LiveScript, not ES6.
 
5:22 PM
Seems pretty useless to me
 
user406009
@Puppy It's just a utility to avoid some boilerplate.
 
user1804599
Why? Do you love writing the same long code over and over again?
 
@Elim I'll be using .3ds.
 
We don't do that really
 
@Nooble That's rather Autodesk 3ds maxy, but for the game jam, it'll suffice.
 
5:23 PM
The reality is that most inputs want validation or style or something extra on top
 
user406009
@elyse Actually, the mixins is the main limitation for ES6 classes. Everything else is supported. Yeah, if you are using LiveScript it doesn't really matter anyways.
 
user1804599
No, not everything else is supported.
 
The reactlink sample only applies to the most trivial case which we basically never actually encounter
 
user1804599
For example, calling constructors of ES6 classes without new is not supported in ES6.
 
Looks good enough.
 
user406009
5:24 PM
Why would you ever want to do that?
 
user406009
With React?
 
user1804599
No, not with React. In general.
 
My messages got duplicated.
Weird...
 
user406009
But why would you ever not want to call new with a constructor?
 
user406009
(The only case I can think of is when you want to do functional programming type things, and pass constructors around as individual functions)
 
user406009
5:26 PM
Which I guess is a valid idea, I stand corrected.
 
We use typescript with React
 
Guys I need Final Year Project ideas for Software Engineering student. Please share your ideas with me
 
user1804599
@Puppy Well, if your application doesn't need it, then it doesn't need it, indeed. Doesn't make it useless in general.
 
@Nooble get your doppleganger out of here
its creepy
 
No, but it is apparently useless in every case that's non-trivial so I find it hard to see how it ever applies really
 
5:29 PM
FYP ideas needed.....
 
user1804599
> useless in every case that's non-trivial
> how it ever applies
 
user1804599
So... in trivial cases?
 
@YourFriend Read the rules, nooble clone
 
Who cares about trivial cases? They're already trivial
 
user1804599
I do, because I encounter them.
 
user406009
5:30 PM
@YourFriend Make an application that allows people to set up LAN games over the internet really easily.
 
@Lalaland hmmm
 
user406009
@elyse It doesn't really matter. Use ReactLink if you want. It doesn't really affect design too much anyways. You can always strip it out later if you want.
 
Well, they're already trivial so converting a trivial case into a trivial case doesn't really seem a useful thing to do
 
@Nooble is that timeframe okay with you?
 
user406009
@Puppy So I guess you don't use the new C++11 for of loop? Because using iterators is trivial?
 
user406009
5:32 PM
Small utilities which remove boilerplate are sometimes useful.
 
user406009
In the end it doesn't really matter. These are minor points.
 
user1804599
Dismissing abstractions because they can only be used in trivial cases is silly.
 
user1804599
But you also dislike split, so yeah why did I ask you anyway.
 
I wanted to listen to this song before playing but the game downloaded too fast shrug
firstworldproblems.jpg
 
need help partition a linkedlist....the tail pointer of the right partition is pointing to the same memory location as the first node in the left partition so it becomes a circular list. Can anyone help? I can share the code
 
5:39 PM
@Codex I'm pretty sure someone on Stack Overflow will be able to help.
 
@Codex let me guess, youre asking here because either a) it would be a bad question on SO, b) you need help "urgently"?
whens your homework due?
 
@Codex they say sharing is caring but in this instance I don't think you can share enough to make up for us not caring
 
@Columbo I've just been hit by GCC bug #66460 ;_;
 
user406009
There's nothing wrong with asking homework questions on StackOverflow.
 
And I wasn't even doing any crazy metaprogramming!
 
5:40 PM
@Lalaland you mean aside from the vast majority of them that are homework dumps with no effort?
 
user406009
The quality of the question is much more important than the source of the question.
 
well it is not homework...silly assumption secondly it is not urgent another silly assumption
 
@Codex So why are you asking here?
 
why are you using a linked list then, its possible the worst container in the universe =/
 
user406009
@Codex Sorry, some of the people on here have become quite ... jaded over the years.
 
5:42 PM
I have been doing c# and trying to get back to c++ and figured a member of the c++ chat room might be able to help that's all but thanks i will ask on stackoverflow
 
user406009
@Codex This chatroom actually doesn't discuss C++ that much. Most of the time is spend talking about other things. Like anime and video games.
 
@Lalaland ok thanks
 
@Lalaland I actually do think that ranged for is a crock of shit.
 
Donkey cock.
 
@Puppy Why?
 
user1804599
5:46 PM
Why would you implement linked list operations for any reason other than homework?
 
Iterators being shit is a problem that occurs in far more cases than just iterating over every outcome
 
user406009
@elyse You want an immutable data structure?
 
user1804599
Then don't use C++.
 
user406009
You want your iterators to remain valid?
 
user1804599
Immutable data structures suck in C++.
 
user1804599
5:47 PM
@Lalaland std::list is already implemented. No need to do it over.
 
Ranged for just band-aids a tiny subset of the problem
Instead of actually addressing the core issue which is that iterators are shit
 
@Puppy ranges are coming - worry not
 
user406009
@ScarletAmaranth Before or after modules?
 
@Lalaland long before
 
5:48 PM
Which will make ranged for as a language feature completely obsolete
 
Niebler has an implementation which has been somewhat approved already
 
As if C++ needed more worthless language features
 
@ScarletAmaranth Do you, by any chance, have a link to this?
 
Prepare for a million of questions along the lines of "I used C++17 ranges in a range based for loop and it didn't work" due to their borken semantics :/
 
user1804599
lol people get banned from Twitch for playing upcoming MGS.
 
Ugh segfault in recursive_mutex's constructor :/ gdb says the address is accessible though :/
 
user406009
I just want typed unions. But that would probably require to many changes (like pattern matching would also be required for usability, etc)
 
@Griwes seriously where are those videos :D
 
user406009
And I guess boost::variant works.
 
5:51 PM
IIRC, you can also find a bit of @Puppy trashing Niebler's work on his on blog ^_^
 
@ScarletAmaranth Last of the last year's one was uploaded on September 25th; calm down. :P
 
@Morwenn There are very few things Puppy hasnt trashed :P
 
@Griwes some serious post production going on there clearly; at least avatar-level
 
@ScarletAmaranth Also if you want to annoy someone about this... go annoy Marshall Clow, not me, I have nothing to do with the uploading part :P
 
@Griwes but I have you handy :D
 
5:53 PM
-.-
I'm busy with stupid segfaults.
 
that's what you get for writing C++
 
user406009
What videos does Griwes have? Has there been another C++ conference recently?
 
he has videos of naked Puppy
 
i want
 
I have no videos!
 
user1804599
5:55 PM
Should logging out be idempotent?
 
user1804599
Or should logging out twice without logging in in between result in an error?
 
probably not
 
user406009
@elyse I would say yes.
 
user406009
logging in should also be idempotent.
 
user1804599
Idempotency is a nice property to have.
 
5:57 PM
@elyse can't see why log(x) followed by log(x) should be an error
 
user1804599
Logging out, not logging.
 
joy, updated to the latest KDE and its just as buggy but twice as slow now
 
oh god, I am retarded, sorry
and here I thought my ability to read was one of my stronger qualities
 
user406009
@Prismatic LXDE or i3. The only way to go.
 
@Morwenn On Puppy's blog? I went back until 2014 and I can't find anything.
 
5:59 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Might be Puppy on Niebler's blog
thats how i read it
 
user1804599
ITT @ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ possesses a time machine.
 

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