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Are you running user scripts/extensions?
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion It's my extension.
 
user406009
I can't really fix it without adding HTTPS.
 
user406009
12:07 AM
Which I am doing tonight.
 
@Lalaland ah that's what it is
good to know
I wondered what that was
 
user406009
My HTTP only thing has been really kicking me in the bum lately.
 
@sehe, chat seems working here
 
I meant on livecoding, to be sure
 
@sehe yep thats what I meant
 
12:09 AM
argh, how do I conditionally enable a default constructor without VC++ crapping itself
 
> VC++
you can't do anything without it crapping itself
 
template <typename T = null_t, typename = std::enable_if_t<contains<T>::value>>
variant_t(null_t = null_t()) noexcept { /* stuff */ }
 
come back, tony <3
 
one sec
 
I have this, but when I try to inherit this constructor it throws 'bla::bla(void)': member function already defined or declared at me
note: compiler has generated 'bla::bla' here why thank you -.-
 
12:11 AM
is T meant to be unused?
apart from the enable_if clause?
 
ohhh Andy the saviour
 
I dunno really :S
 
I'm terrible at templates
 
(evening guise)
 
evening :)
 
12:12 AM
evening
 
@melak47 wait, is this your code?
 
no, but I'm willing to change it anyway :D
 
12:12 AM
:D VS2015?
 
yea
 
shite I don't have that one installed yet
 
ha
it compiles in 2013 >_>
 
lolwat why the flag
 
stop flagging faggots
 
12:14 AM
@AndyProwl theres a lurking flagtard
 
I suspect @DonLarynx being the flagger
 
that's possible
 
shite is not offensive
 
@AndyProwl go go it's only like 6 GB to download :)
 
Aug 17 at 14:58, by Mai Longdong
probably just dumb larynx again
you're wrong retard
 
12:15 AM
how come no one flags your 'retard' but my 'shite' got flagged
@melak47 lol
 
god damn 2015 is buggy :(
 
@melak47 is T used inside the constructor's body?
 
no
 
none of those got flagged either
im mad, u mad, we mad. its ok
 
12:16 AM
@AndyProwl precisely because whoever flagged is a flagtard. otherwise the flag would have been on a message deserving of one
 
@melak47 I mean in the real code, not the coliru script (I'm just wondering what's the purpose of that T)
 
@AndyProwl no :)
I dunno
 
hm, ok
 
template <typename = std::enable_if_t<contains<null_t>::value>>
variant_t(null_t = null_t())  { /* stuff */ }
 
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
@thecoshman I can remind you of this periodically
 
12:17 AM
this doesn't help, either
 
so they managed to add template-related bugs to VS2015?
 
:)
 
I'm impressed
 
> So I'm going to hit the sack. So I can do my music scanning tomorrow (#PROCRASTINATEMUCH)
 
@sehe oh wow deja vu
 
12:18 AM
You are remarkable observant
Adverb: periodically ‎(not comparable)
  1. In a regular periodic manner
 
@sehe preens
 
lol
 
@melak47 that makes sense, because the instantiation is not delayed there
it seems to me variant_t(T = T()) would have made more sense though
might be some fancy technique though, I'm rusty on templates
 
@ScottW Festival of nations is tomorrow. It looks like there will be excellent food everywhere. :)
 
haven't done any TMP wanking in a long time
 
12:20 AM
I haven't done much wanking lately
 
that's a fapulous achievement
 
@AndyProwl it's supposed to enable the default constructor only when null_t is in Elements...
 
@sehe you just spent 2 hours wanking boost::graph
 
... busted
... and nuts
 
hm, what about... variant_t() { static_assert(contains<null_t>::value, "not nullable"); /* stuff */ }
would that go off all the time?
ah nevermind. ICE
2
 
12:22 AM
@melak47 oh, right, I see
@melak47 yeah
@melak47 haha
 
the wanking massacre
 
is that a reference I'm missing
 
I thought about inheriting the default constructor from a template<bool cond> struct default_constructible;, but it's not simply empty...
 
@sehe std::string& missing
^ missing reference :P
 
@sehe not really. just rhymes with this title
 
12:25 AM
@TonyTheLion typedef std::remove_reference_t<T> very volatile
 
missing&
^ missing reference
 
Precisely. That's a reference. And I was missing it.
I half-remembered there being a thing that rhymed
 
@melak47 what about template <typename T = null_t> variant_t(null_t = std::enable_if_t<contains<T>::value, null_t>{})
it's horrible, but VC
 
VC and the Wanking Massacre
 
@AndyProwl seems to work as well as the original, i.e.
 
12:30 AM
i.e. not work
 
'bla::bla(void)': member function already defined or declared
note: compiler has generated 'bla::bla' here
 
is there an online compiler with VS2015?
 
yeah
 
I'd try and play around a bit
 
12:31 AM
@AndyProwl solid advice
 
@sehe I meant that I would play around a bit, to try and help
@melak47 dangs
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion Darn. Stupid StartSSL site is down. Can't fix that tonight.
 
doesn't let you save and share unfortunately...but maybe @StackedCrooked could write a plugin for coliru that captures it's output :p
 
interesting is that it generates bla::bla(void)
i.e. zero parameters
 
it seems to generate and inherit the default ctor, and then complain about it
 
12:33 AM
@Lalaland no worries, just let me know when you've fixed it
 
ah, I see, so the bug is with inheriting constructors
 
@AndyProwl ah :) lol
 
inheriting default constructor...templates from base class templates
 
Whats the toolkit that automatically generates bindings from a header file?
 
12:36 AM
Aight so im watching Sharknado 2
 
swig
 
cmon gli, y u no load my texture :(
 
@AndyProwl I can't even get an unconditional default ctor to inherit...
this stupid compiler is so broken :(
 
@melak47 yeah, I noticed this fails too
 
@AndyProwl guess that's minimal enough for a bug report...just not even sure I should bother anymore :p
 
12:39 AM
@melak47 it can be reduced further
 
@PraesidioInc @sean_a_cassidy From "The Iran", actually. We though The NSA, The KGB, ... were bad? Fear The Iran!
 
@Mikhail swig++
 
Time to force myself onto the bed.
 
I guess it can't get simpler than that
 
user406009
12:41 AM
swig's output is usually not very idiomatic though.
 
same error you get for
struct bar {
	bar(){}
	bar(){}
};
 
@AndyProwl using foo::foo;
That kinda looks like a train.
 
@melak47 yep, I'd file a bug report with this SSCCE or MCVE or how they call it today
@StackedCrooked lol
 
@AndyProwl do you wanna? I think they might be sick of my bug reports :p
 
@melak47 no thanks, I don't have a Connect account or whatever is necessary to do that thing :P
I don't feel like creating one now
 
12:45 AM
hehe
 
Scoped Continuations more powerful and natural than #monads? #MindBlown #Java9 https://youtu.be/449j7oKQVkc via @YouTube
For some of you FP buffs to reach a verdict
(My mind doesn't afford this)
 
user406009
I think continuations are a special case of monad.
 
first of all, is that a dynamic programming language advocate
 
user406009
The special part about a language having special monad support (like Haskelll) is that you can add language features such as Software Transactional Memory, Scoped Continuations, etc without changing the language.
 
user4013295
You have been visited by the programmer nightmare, you'll have to debug code with this: catch (Throwable T) {}
 
12:49 AM
My 9 month old phone lost all of it's power last night, it was full when I went to bed & it was on flight mode.
 
user4013295
Prolly had a lot of background process running
 
user406009
At least that's what someone claimed the last time I asked them.
 
user406009
@chmod711telkitty Perhaps when you are asleep, your chickens use your phone to play games.
 
user406009
And look at chicken porn.
 
@TheMuffinCoder That's merely an unpleasant dream.
 
12:51 AM
@LucDanton no? Sumanth is a c++14 buff, IIRC
 
user4013295
oh poo
 
user4013295
@StackedCrooked Can you give me a better line :D
 
@sehe I would just assume it’s a flippant comment. You can still watch the talk if you want.
 
My chickens are now allowed into the house ... unless they are sick. Neither of them was sick last night.
 
user406009
12:51 AM
@sehe I do agree with that statement. While you can use monad tools to implement scoped continuations, having it in the language makes it easier and more intuitive.
 
a flippant commant served with currants
 
user4013295
:^) okay, I'll look for better ones in the C jokes section
 
is anyone getting less than 60fps?
 
@LucDanton for no raisins...
 
@AndyProwl "what is the impact of this issue?"
 
user4013295
12:52 AM
Ill check
 
how do I make this sound as important as possible
 
user4013295
@ʞɔᴉN I get 36 fps on Chrome
 
user406009
@ʞɔᴉN 57 for me.
 
@ʞɔᴉN 60fps is a very very bad code-review score
 
@TheMuffinCoder :(
 
12:53 AM
@melak47 "the impact is that my valid code doesn't work you geniuses"
 
@sehe what do you mean?
 
user4013295
I'm on a i3 rn
 
@Lalaland now you made me wanna watch the talk :(
 
user4013295
Hey maybe you the javascript<ballpit> can test it too! :D
 
pretty sure they're all asleep or drunk
or canadian
 
user4013295
12:54 AM
LOL
 
user4013295
Drunk most likely
 
user4013295
Or the game dev chat :D
 
yeah looks like rlemon passed out a while ago
 
user406009
@melak47 "I have the codes to fix cancer. The only problem is that visual studio keeps on ICEing on my code. Please help."
 
user4013295
xD
 
user406009
12:54 AM
In all caps of course.
 
they would tell me I'm doing it wrong for not using unity
 
@Lalaland nice :)
 
user4013295
@ʞɔᴉN nah I go to the Game Dev room everyday :D
 
user4013295
They accepted me as the only Javascript user there :P
 
lol
I'll join and there will be 2 of us <3
 
user4013295
12:55 AM
:D
 
user4013295
javaScript buddies!
 
there's also this "blocking issue" tickbox...
 
Those scoped conts seem like two effects at once.
 
blocks me from enjoying VS >:(
 
12:57 AM
let's try to sleep
night guise
 
user406009
Good night. May you have sweet dreams.
 
@AndyProwl good night sweet prince
 
user3883753
night @AndyProwl <3
 
@AndyProwl night
thanks for trying :/
 
. @meetingcpp I prefer projects where we can be loaded, even if the project can't be saved :)
couldn't resist
even though it wasn't technically friday in his part of the world anymore either
U wot, Google?
 
1:09 AM
lol
 
yeah I had that too ._.
 
user3883753
what's that
 
@LucDanton I agree, it's unusual traffic. But not in the way they suggest
@Sino A screen shot of a web browser
 
user3883753
i know but the content ?
 
Don't speak so lowly of the content.
 
user3883753
1:42 AM
why
 
user3883753
@sehe
 
@ElimGarak Do you use a library to load dds files? I tried this one and it refuses to load any file i tried (i converted the same png to dds using Paint.net, nvtt and some other compressor i found)
so sad, because glm works so well :(
 
@Borgleader Lol I use .png.
 
I might switch over to webp for now
would have been nice to use dds though
 
2:02 AM
whatup a;;
 
user406009
@Borgleader What's wrong with png?
 
hi can anybody tell me if cppreference.com or cplusplus.com is the go-to place for documentation and things like that?
 
@Lalaland libpng
 
user406009
libpng isn't that bad.
 
user406009
I think I only needed a 20 line wrapper to convert my std::vector<char>s last I used it.
 
2:15 AM
@RishavKundu I think most people here prefer cppreference
 
last time i tried to compile it i ran into more dependencies than the amount of fucks i was willing to give, OTOH libwebp worked out of the box
 
libpng doesn't have any dependencies other than zlib though?
 
@Prismatic ty
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus Correct.
 
@CatPlusPlus 0 fucks to give is often less than 1 dependency :) (although, tbh it might have been a build system issue, it was a long time ago)
 
user406009
2:17 AM
And I think every machine out there has zlib.
 
Both are trivial to build
 
2:32 AM
I use stb_image.
 
> Why not C99? stdint.h, declare-anywhere, etc.
I still use MSVC 6 (1998) as my IDE because it has better human factors for me than later versions of MSVC.
That led me to question it's author's sanity (and the fact that he prefers C over C++)
 
@Borgleader o_O
Well, uhh, he makes a nice header only library for everything.
 
3:18 AM
 
user406009
3:34 AM
@Borgleader Perhaps he only knows C?
 
user406009
Just like he only know MSVC?
 
user406009
Some people just live in the past.
 
4:24 AM
> Rust has great promise "safe coding without a garbage collector" but herein lies its challenge as well - the language had to dedicate so much real estate to this (difficult) problem alone, it became a disharmonic creature with one bulging muscle and little of anything else.
^ Alexandrescu on Rust (found on reddit)
Interesting view.
I haven't really checked out Rust yet, but it seems appealing.
That was his reaction to STL claiming that garbage collection will never beat the destructor-based model of C++.
 
Why didn't D ever catch on? Is it because GC? Or that weird compiler split they had way back when
 
It is catching on slowly.
@Prismatic I suppose the GC is a big turnoff to C++ developers.
Also all classes inherit from Object.
Which reminds of Java.
 
how is GC a turnoff?
 
Many C++ developers pride themselves in not having GC.
 
paying for something you dont want to use
Is it D that has optional gc? or was that rust
 
4:32 AM
you’re parroting FUD :v
 
What part did you think was FUD
 
1 min ago, by Prismatic
paying for something you dont want to use
 
How is that FUD? That's like a C++ mantra. Pretty sure Bjarne drops that line whenever he can too
 
Xeo
5:05 AM
mornin
 
Hello
 
Xeo
Oho. A pretty big youtuber seems to have streamed our game to 22k viewers yesterday night. Nice.
 
> Sadly, callbacks don't really fit functional programming very well.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:25 AM
I missed the fact that there Haskell dwarves since GHC 7.10. Backtraces in upcoming 7.12.
 
6:42 AM
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Q: Could `rm -rf / --no-preserve-root` mess up the bios?

MirroredFateIn order to see approximate speeds for tarballing an entire system, and then restoring that system when if it was foobar'd, I partially cloned one of our primary systems onto a workstation that, while not integral to our company systems, would be nice to have functioning. I timed creating the tar...

 
7:10 AM
D is actually being used...
 
 
1 hour later…
8:19 AM
hello guys
 
Ell
8:32 AM
Hi
 
@Ell Got accommodation already?
 
I'm looking to write a C++ wrapper for a C library that writes something to a communication channel and has many functions like putThisType, putThatType, etc. Seems like insertion operators (<<) would be nicer for this.
But the information written is structured and can look like this: putFun("f",2)l putInt(1); putInt(2); putInt(3). This will result in an output with the structure f(1,2), 3. The 2 in putFun("f", 2) indicates two "arguments" for f.
What would be a good way to make a C++ wrapper for this that avoids having to spell out 2 and instead lets the user specify the structure directly?
 
8:54 AM
@Prismatic two standard libraries that were incompatible with each other was yet another factor
In D 2.0 only Phobos survived, with Tango becoming an optional supplemental library
 
Ell
@columbo yup, you?
 
@Ell ,no
 
Ell
are you going private?
Or university owned
 
Uni owned
 
Ell
Catered or self catered?
 
9:05 AM
@Nooble wise words my friend
 
Catered
 
Such a nice morning.
 
user1804599
@ScarletAmaranth Sure. Why not?
 
@elyse someone asked "why didn't D catch on" - well, it actually somewhat did
 
user1804599
Some people saw the light.
 
user1804599
9:18 AM
It's like C++ without the C and with the tracing GC, making it ++++.
 
user1804599
@Prismatic Rust has no tracing GC. In D you can turn it off, but you're an idiot if you do that, since you can't use arrays or most of the standard library anymore without leaking.
 
Ell
Why don't you just have an explicit gc? I dont get it
 
user1804599
Not to mention static if and template constraints.
 
user1804599
Fuck SFINAE forever.
 
Ell
auto i = gc.new<int>();
is myalloc<T>::pointer allowed to be something besides T*?
 
9:31 AM
Satisfies nullablepointer and RandomAccessIterator
 
Made it back alive from China
 
ni hao
 
you can escape from China, but you can not escape the haze from China
Those pollution will get you eventually
 
IT'S NOT POLLUTION IT'S SEA HAZE
 
9:41 AM
when I went to HK it wasnt that awful
is that mainland?
 
@Prismatic That's HK on a very sea-hazy day
 
where did you go in china
 
9:59 AM
Wellp, season finale of Dark Matter is here.
@Borgleader We use proprietary formats, but I did write a custom DDS loader just for the sake of supporting it. But AFAIK, nobody on the team actually uses it (you can import from DDS, but export is limited to pretty much anything else, as a prevention method of propagating DDS). :D
DDS goes in, anything but goes out (if it goes out at all). :D
 
IRTA DOS
 
Ell
@nab huh I looked there but must have missed it. Thanks :)
 
@elyse That's a peculiar name :P
 
Scala <3
 
Ell
10:12 AM
I don't see how you can use an existing format if you're writing your own renderer
 
It's important to support as many formats as you can on import, to support the various digital creation tools. You load it in and store it in a proprietary format, but also allow export because sometimes artists want to update something and they may have lost the original. But there is a price to pay, mostly associated with block compression applied to the original.
 
does any one know of a handy way to put like a marker along a long web page... I want to be able to come back to it later
 
Ell
But I mean the renderer can never use other formats right?
You can't shoehorn a fancy physical based material type into a renderer that only supports phong
 
Nope, not directly. Most are intended merely for storage. Ideally, you don't import done materials (although you ought to support it). The artist loads all the textures and the object data and then creates materials within. And the engine optimizes on the basis of usage, applies different block compression algorithms to the source on the basis of it (for example, normal maps). And in the end, everything that is not used can be pruned away.
 
@thecoshman appednd #idofnearestelement to URL, if elements have ids
 
10:23 AM
@nabijaczleweli yeah, I guess I could just edit the element to have that id... just duplicated the tab in the end. The new one starts in the same location :D
 
Ell
I wonder if there is A compressed archive format which uses different algorithms depending on the filetype
 
pcompress.
Next!
 
Ell
@elim so in the industry, the artist wouldn't create materials in a tool like Maya? They.would do it in an.engine specific tool?
 
The ones you decompress on your own are your choice, but block compression variants (S3TC / PVRTC / ASTC) are decompressed on the fly by the GPU, their benefit.
@Ell Yes, almost always in engine.
 
Feb 21 '14 at 21:38, by sehe
sehe@desktop:/tmp/CORPUT$ time pcompress -c adapt -l 7 -a boost_1_55_0/ boost.pz
Scanning files.
Sorting ...
Scaling to 8 threads

real	0m10.691s
user	0m36.366s
sys	0m4.861s
sehe@desktop:/tmp/CORPUT$ ls -ltrah boost.pz
-rw-r--r-- 1 sehe sehe 58M feb 21 22:37 boost.pz
 
10:26 AM
I know CryTek offered extensions for 3ds max. Also, Guerilla Games (Killzone) uses Maya as their game world editor (extended with plugins). At least, used.
But those are edge cases. You can check out Unity or UE4 to see how the material workflow is like in-engine. In the old ages, it was more... Crude.
 
@ElimGarak a lot less awkward than "Butterfly-lang"
 
Inline namespaces could be rather useful as a refactoring aid.
Esp in combination with the IDE refactoring tools.
 
That doesn't bode well:
 
opposite of .gitignore file, I want to star that.
 
Ell
@elim ah interesting
 
10:31 AM
Pics are better than words, tho.
 
Ell
@sehe it says its not an archiver on the page but I guess it is vOv
NOTE: This utility is Not an archiver. It compresses only single files or datastreams. To archive use something else like tar, cpio or pax.
I'm off now.anyway later Guys
 
Later!
 
@Ell yes it is these days. Can you link me your page? You might be looking at something really old
@ElimGarak I meant the grievous tag
 
@sehe You've earned it! :P
 
:S
 
user1804599
10:41 AM
ok so
 
user1804599
Let's implement name resolution.
 
something tells me that the fact I have 40gigs of queued files, and more to enqueue is a sign of something funky regarding this 'automated' testing...
 
@sehe Also, from your livestream's music choices, I have a feeling you might like something like this. :P
 
user1804599
sub if[T: *](when: Boolean, byname then: T, byname else: T): T {
    match when {
        case true => then
        case false => else
    }
}
 
user1804599
absolutely terrific
 
10:49 AM
Can you pass it a block of code or only a name?
 
user1804599
Any expression.
 
Ok.
 
user1804599
A programming language uses an evaluation strategy to determine when to evaluate the argument(s) of a function call (for function, also read: operation, method, or relation) and what kind of value to pass to the function. For example, call-by-value/pass-by-reference specifies that a function application evaluates the argument before it proceeds to the evaluation of the function's body and that it passes two capabilities to the function, namely, the ability to look up the current value of the argument and to modify it via an assignment statement. The notion of reduction strategy in lambda calculus...
 
Morning
 
Mawning
 
10:54 AM
Sup
 
Nothin' much, elyse is trying to write a programming with the pointer.
 
Oh dear
 
user1804599
Oh deer
 
a female deer
 
a dear female
 
user1804599
10:57 AM
Not sure how to compile by-name arguments.
 
Hopefully, Dark Matter doesn't get cancelled.
 
user1804599
As nullary lambdas, perhaps.
 
Down to by-index parameters I'd guess
 
@elyse why don'y you just pattern match in the function calls sub if[T: *](when: true, byname then: T, bymabe else: T): T{ then } sub if[T: *](when: false, byname then: T, bymabe else: T): T{ else } or near enough
 
user1804599
@thecoshman I could, but that's not on my roadmap right now.
 
10:59 AM
@elyse what about your train map?
 
user1804599
@Puppy it's about call-by-name, not named arguments.
 

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