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3:00 PM
What's a tintin album
 
@Prismatic The thing with the ball and you push the ball up.
 
Of course, if you want to make the same game again, yeah, you need a reset button. But that's cheap.
 
I loved reading tintin comics
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Surrendered to the trope! :P
 
@Prismatic I don't. Except when I find the comic bad to the point it becomes funny.
 
3:01 PM
What if you want to reset so that you can try out new skills and stuff, but you want to keep the same character because of emotional attachment?
 
That trope is usually the safest one. Everything else you do could either be the best thing ever or the biggest fan shitstorm. The latter has a high likelihood.
You cannot afford too many fan shitstorms.
 
@ElimGarak That's why it's cheap.
 
May 9 '13 at 18:14, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@ThePhD KIDS THESE DAYS GO READ TINTIN
 
Oh, where's ThePhD?
 
3:05 PM
@ElimGarak Absolutely the best gaems
(if they exist)
 
@Morwenn Really? I used to love getting them at my library as a kid. Probably the first comics I ever read. I also watched the TV show
 
I don't think I made a game since I stopped using Game Maker.
 
2 days ago, by Nooble
> It's a particularly excellent time (as it is always) to reflect on those who have sacrificed so many hours, so much time, to converse with us here in the Lounge; only to have them disappear. ThePhD, GuruAdrian, and Pubby being just a few of the many we have lost. They never say a word, they always leave silently
 
@Prismatic Among the popular comics, I prefered Spirou and Gaston. Among the not-that-known ones, Valerian & Laureline is by far ma favourite.
 
3:07 PM
I liked picsou magazine
 
I love how you guys have time for comics.
 
What was the one with the little viking dude
Atrix?
@ElimGarak I read Tintin when I was like 5
awww yeah, tell me someone remembers ^
 
Isn't it Asterix?
And Obelix?
Or something. Wat?
Asterix (French: Astérix) is a fictional character, the titular hero of the French comic book series The Adventures of Asterix. The series portrays him as a diminutive but fearless Gaulish warrior living in the time of Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars. Asterix was created in 1959 by writer René Goscinny and illustrator Albert Uderzo. Since then, thirty-five books in the series have been released, with Uderzo taking over writing duties after the death of Goscinny in 1977. Asterix has also appeared in several animated and live-action film adaptations of the series, and serves as the mascot of the amusement...
And the fat guy
Obelix (Obélix in French) is a cartoon character from the French comic book series Asterix. He works as a menhir sculptor and deliveryman, and is Asterix's best friend. Obelix is noted for his fatness, the menhirs he carries around on his back and his superhuman strength. He fell into a cauldron of magic potion when he was a baby, causing him to be the only Gaul in Asterix's village who is permanently superhumanly strong. Because of this already enormous strength, Obelix is not allowed to drink the magic potion ever again, a ban he regards as being tremendously unfair. Other characteristics are...
 
He's not fat! :o
 
Yeah, those guys are the best
 
3:11 PM
(At least, that's what he would say)
 
Xeo
@Prismatic That's not Tintin.
 
That's asterix
Tintin is that cat with snowy the dog
 
@Prismatic He's not a viking, he's a gaulish
 
and he's friends with the captain
 
Ugh, "Snowy"
 
3:12 PM
blistering barnacles
 
Moule à gaufre! Saltinbanque! Coloquinthe!
 
Bachibouzouk !
 
Dogmatix is a fictional character, a tiny white terrier dog who belongs to Obelix in the Asterix comics. Dogmatix is a pun on the words dog and dogmatic. In the original French his name is Idéfix, itself a pun on the French expression idée fixe (fixed idea) meaning an obsession. This pun is unusual for a translation in that it is remarkably close to the original meaning and adds to it (by inclusion of the dog- syllable). Dogmatix is the only main character in the series that is not human. His role is minor in most of the stories, significant mainly as a 'bone' of contention between Asterix and...
lolwut
FFS
Horrible translators.
 
dogminatrix
 
Oh wait. I get it. That one is actually not bad.
 
Xeo
3:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes German name is just "Idefix"
 
> [...] hinted he wants children.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes which part?
 
3:27 PM
@Borgleader Here's a good train wreck for ya:
-14
Q: how to paginate the result for following php script?

hari prasath TRANSCATION DETAILS = '$sqldate' and transdate "; echo " window.location.href='report.php'; alert('There are no fields to generate a report'); "; ?> TRANSACTION DATE TRANSACTION NOTE TRANSACTION TYPETRANSHEAD TI...

 
holy mother of shit
this is setting the trends of worstness
 
TRANSCATION
 
I'm scared to look, is he using floating point for money?
 
no way it's not cicada
 
3:43 PM
@Mysticial Impressive.
@elyse She looks like mass murderers are her type.
 
@Mysticial Hahahahahaha oh boy xD
 
"He told her he'll leave Norway on his release and hinted he wants children", He thinks they'll release him.
 
@Mysticial TRANSACTION TRANSACTION TRANSACTION TRANSACTION
 
WHY DO PEOPLE USE PHP?!
 
3:47 PM
Why do people use winforms.
Working with a group of people that still build winform applications even though they're using C#.
 
they don't see sharp apparently
 
Gneiss
 
@ElimGarak /cc @Lalaland
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Kinda silly that reinterpret_cast is labelled dangerous. Dereferencing a pointer is way more risky.
 
user1804599
time for play terraria
 
3:56 PM
@elyse crazy how they describe his detention conditions
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah, hence quotes.
 
In our code base their used to be an IP address class that had a method which returned a pointer to the IP bytes. It was labelled "verry dangerous" (sic).
 
> *** Error in `xmlstarlet': free(): invalid pointer: 0x00007feacd45291e ***
> Aborted (core dumped)
How do you even deploy something so buggy
 
xmlbadlet
 
That's the fifth time I coredumped this shit
In a week
 
4:05 PM
Our production software runs out of memory quite often
 
xmlstarlet isn't even near OOM
 
@ElimGarak it's cool
 
Yesterday Qt Creator ran out of memory after opening the freebsd source code.
It was consuming 16GB.
 
Invalid pointer is not OOM
 
Out Of Mana.
 
4:07 PM
The question is why are you using that crap
 
Hey, you gave me an XPath, that's completely normal and valid and selects 2 attrs of 2 elems? FUCK YOU!
@CatPlusPlus to not manipulate XHTML with regexes, which I were using before
 
Why are you using XHTML
Also that's not a good answer anyway, just write a thing to do it instead of relying on some broken command-line tool
 
autogenerated XSLT and XML -> XHTML, which I then transform
 
Well maybe use better XSLT then
 
@ElimGarak It's awesome
 
4:10 PM
"I use XSLT and then transform it"
 
You have to touch up autogenerated stuff?
Isn't that doing it wrong?
 
transform your transformations
 
It's broken, so I need to fix it
 
don't use terrible tech maybe
 
4:11 PM
And then I'm adding my things on top
 
Instead of patching broken output don't use that broken XSLT in the first place
 
"So, why do we have so many employees, we work at an automated car plant"
"Yes, but we're selling tanks".
 
Consume the source XML and generate your own output, whether with XSLT or by writing your own thing, whateve
 
stop using xml
 
Yeah, better idea
 
4:12 PM
what are you doing @nabijaczleweli?
 
Use JSON....
 
Yes JSON will help in parsing XML you get from something
Good job
 
transform it into json then :P and then use json :P :P :P
 
Someone said stop using XML.
 
4:13 PM
JSON is not a magical XML substitute that always works better hth
Also CLOC has SQLite output
 
@CatPlusPlus Really?
 
my eyes
 
Really
 
Ok, now I want my money back.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes, and?
@Mr.kbok Sorry, fixing the style rn
 
4:14 PM
When does XML work better than JSON?
 
@nabijaczleweli And that's easier to generate raports from than XML/whatever
 
@nabijaczleweli just use bootstrap for furry's sake
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah, right
 
Honest question
JSON goes straight into Javascript, and there are libraries that parse JSON directly into classes.
 
@LeeLouviere xml has attributes
 
4:16 PM
XML has mixed structure and data, and also all the auxiliary tech that JSON has been reinventing in last 5 years works better
Schemas, XPath/XInclude/whatever
 
Xeo
> A British businessman who bought the Segway company less than a year ago died after riding one of the scooters off a cliff and into a river near his Yorkshire estate.
lol
 
however there is YAML which is much better than both
 
ha ha ha ha no
 
@CatPlusPlus why? YAML is JSON with types and better syntax
 
Layout-based syntax is garbage
 
4:18 PM
yep
 
Comments are literally the only better thing YAML does than JSON
 
welp you can use JSON syntax in YAML
 
<TAG Attribute="Value">Internal Value</TAG>
{TagName="TAG" Attribute="Value" Internal="InternalValue"}
 
Reinventing
 
@LeeLouviere oh the usual key-attribute-value antipattern
 
4:19 PM
Also now you can't use "internal" as an attribute, good job
 
@LeeLouviere You could be xaml and do both.
 
@CatPlusPlus types! you can write "foo": !Foo { ... }
 
@Jeremy That's true.
 
Also try <tag1>data <tag2/> data</tag1>
 
{meta.tag="TAG" attribute.Attribute="Value" contents="InternalValue"}
there you have shitty xml but INSIDE JSON everyone's happy
 
4:20 PM
@Abyx Never needed them
@Mr.kbok lol
 
@Mr.kbok Well, then you lose the advantage of JSON.
 
What advantage
 
with xml you always lose
 
More collapsed.
 
Who cares about that
It's an interop format it literally doesn't matter
 
4:21 PM
@nabijaczleweli are you using bootstrap yet
 
@CatPlusPlus of course it's easier to use tuples - "foo": ["Foo", {...}]
 
@Mr.kbok Not yet
 
@nabijaczleweli use this theme github.com/kristopolous/BOOTSTRA.386
 
@CatPlusPlus Can we make something better than XML?
 
@LeeLouviere XXML.
 
4:22 PM
@Mr.kbok FUKKEN BEAUTIFUL
 
@LeeLouviere Yes, JSON.
 
S-expressions
 
))))))
 
Maybe
Also doesn't matter
 
@nabijaczleweli I thought you'd like it.
 
4:22 PM
Hmm...
 
@nabijaczleweli that was a good one
 
I am very skeptic of answers: Maybe, and No.
 
@Mr.kbok It's magnificent
 
@nabijaczleweli I don't get it
 
@Mr.kbok S-exprs are LISP-y, a.k.a. use ) and ( excessively
 
4:24 PM
In computing, s-expressions, sexprs or sexps (for "symbolic expression") are a notation for nested list (tree-structured) data, invented for and popularized by the programming language Lisp, which uses them for source code as well as data. In the usual parenthesized syntax of Lisp, an s-expression is classically defined inductively as an atom, or an expression of the form (x . y) where x and y are s-expressions. The second, recursive part of the definition represents an ordered pair so that s-exprs are effectively binary trees. The definition of an atom varies per context; in the original definition...
 
And it doesn't matter
 
sex pression
5
 
@Jeremy JSON is better than XML?
 
user1804599
I want to play Terraria multiplayer. :<
 
@elyse what aboot factorio
 
user1804599
4:25 PM
JSON is better than XML for things that JSON is better at than XML is.
 
I usually expect the best answer to be "It depends"
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok nooo Terraria
 
@elyse stray is at end of statement
 
user1804599
brb dinner
 
fix your sentence first plz
 
4:26 PM
@elyse Play with raggedPeak.
 
@Mr.kbok strays is at the beginning of statement!
 
I don't get it
 
4:41 PM
That's the beginning of your statement, right
Oh. Soz. Mistypes "stray s"
 
yes. I thought something elaborate was going on
anyone uses rapidxml?
 
@Mr.kbok boost.property_tree does, IIRC
 
Yes, that's where I come from. I assumed if boost like it, it must be at least decent
 
@Mr.kbok dunno. property tree provides a nice wrapper, so why use it directly
 
PropertyTree is not a generic parser
 
4:52 PM
I want to know whether ptree is actually a better interface or not. I have a hinch it's not able to do everything I may need
 
Use PTree if you want property trees in the format PTree implements
 
No I want to parse and produce xml files of an arbitrary format I don't have control over
 
Then don't use PTree
 
Should I use RapidXML?
 
Xeo
whee, 1h till the livestream
 
4:59 PM
elaborate
come come - this is entry level lounge pundantry
@Mr.kbok PugiXML, $0.02
@Mr.kbok I don't believe so. I think Pugi is in the tradition of Rapid and Tiny, but (way) more modern
 
Yes it looks like so
The Council of The Wise will now reflect upon this
(= I'll have a talk w/ the senior dev)
 
5:22 PM
This looks very nice now
 
5:35 PM
@nabijaczleweli "Style" reminds me of my "OS"
 
You need some margins there
 
@CatPlusPlus More? I already added .1em bottom and .15em right
 
It's pretty shit. Also, "GUI interface", lol.
 
Top and left bub
 
(Krekman is the surname of our local priest)
 
5:38 PM
Little kernel that could boot
 
Hard to maintain will to work on it, especially because there's not much point once you realize it is doable.
 
@CatPlusPlus better now?
 
Entire body, not just the table
 
Damn, almost 20:00. Woke up at 4:30.
 
whats the best way to do Unicode support for file names? I'm thinking wchar_t, but somewhere in the docs it says that wchar_t can be implementation defined and might be 1,2,4 bytes (where they on crack?)
 
5:44 PM
Shit, that's some dedication.
 
The only use for wchar_t is WinAPI calls
 
@Mikhail store raw bytes in std::string and then use third-party library for that
 
Don't worry C++ will get real Unicode support right after modules
5
 
The library interface is C-style
 
in C++2098
 
5:46 PM
@CatPlusPlus We'll die waiting for modules.
But a star anyways.
 
Your mistake is waiting
 
Why not wait?
 
I don't think we can physically coerce them to add modules? Or can we?
 
@ElimGarak quatorze juillet
 
@ElimGarak we don't know until we try
 
5:48 PM
@ElimGarak (hint: he means, use python, rubby, c# etc)
 
Can pass. Yuck. Yuck.
 
Hehe, I think whenever an answer uses the phrase "somewhere down in the bowels of the library" it's candidate for a bounty of some kind. I think this issue would have taken me quite a long time to piece together, and there's realistically only a handful of people that would have read through it and figured it out as quickly as you did. — Chris Beck 20 mins ago
Peeps: secret code unveiled
@ElimGarak Actually I consider C# vastly superior to Python in most respects
 
I am really mostly in the "native" court of C++, I did a prototype of a multifractal heightmap generator in C# with a decent UI, so it is good for getting stuff running quickly.
Doing the same today to experiment with some basis for the generation of volumetric clouds, to store in limited resolution 3D textures. Reflection is cool, though.
 
Reflection is cool (dynamic!) but it's bordering on the repulsive side that also characterizes Python for me
 
yeah we're static typing refugees in the dynamic world
4
 
5:54 PM
I love C# and F# in general, though
It's not a punishment to use those
 
Reflection would help with GUI programming and serialization, 2 things C++ is not too great at
 
That "nigga" from YouTube Gaming is still streaming. Wow. Humans.
wait, that's another "nigga".
Somebody is streaming EVE Online. Seriously? 6500 people watching.
 
@CatPlusPlus Is that enough now?
 
@sehe, you streaming? :P
 
user1804599
@sehe What have you used F# for?
 
6:02 PM
Also, can someone explain the appeal of watching someone else that is not Cat Plus Plus play a game? I remember cat playing Overlord. The latency was shit.
 
@elyse ensuring his G-flat is accurate
 
@ElimGarak Some people are so bad at games that it eventually becomes funny.
 
user1804599
no
 
@nabijaczleweli A little bit more margin to the body
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ You mean he's too skinny?
 
Make it 1em at least
 
6:27 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Done, is it enough margin now?
 
user1804599
> static assert(isForwardRange!Lexer);
 
user1804599
gotta love D
4
 
@nabijaczleweli Yes
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Thank you for the help
 
Also it should probably be margin, not padding.
I think.
 
6:28 PM
@elyse Some things are indeed easy to write.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Right, padding is for tabels
 
Not necessarily
It's just internal padding that adds to the width and height of the element.
Margin is for space between elements.
But yeah, don't lose sleep over it.
Actually keep it padding. It's fine.
 
Thanks
> Updates CSS
> wonders why it doesn't work
> Has `жертицал-align:center` in style
 
Margin is outside of the box, padding is inside of the box
 
lol жертицал
 
6:39 PM
@elyse What's that?
Hey :D
 
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ It statically assert that lexers are forward ranges.
 
we need a map.count() which returns a value if it found something
 
Fine, how are you?
@elyse What's the X!Y syntax?
 
user1804599
Template application.
 
user1804599
Like X<Y> in C++.
 
6:41 PM
Do you like that?
 
with more terms it's X<Y,Z> -> X!(Y,Z)
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ it's nice
 
@unordered_meow Factorio?
 
< > is annoying
 
Hey, X! whispers Y and Z
 
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Yes.
 
user1804599
6:43 PM
< and > cause horrible grammars, and >> clashes with the shift operator.
 
user1804599
D's grammar is context-free.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I can play a little
gotta ask all the others
 
@thecoshman What about you?
 
And a D developer is job-free.
 
6:44 PM
Ouch
 
user1804599
Also scope guards:
 
user1804599
@property Lexeme front() {
    auto oldInput = input;
    scope(exit) input = oldInput;
    return readLexeme();
}

void popFront() {
    readLexeme();
}
 
@ElimGarak Now that's a fancy dildo.
 
@Nooble Last one was a vagina, courtesy of Etienne. :Đ
 
6:46 PM
@ElimGarak Looks like a penis
 
D is a good idea partly because future C++ standards can learn from its errors too.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Have you visited a doctor recently? :P
 
@Morwenn With the same reasoning, PHP is also a good idea
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ it was at the time
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Not close enough.
 
6:48 PM
stopped being a good idea next day
 
@ElimGarak Looks familiar
 
@CatPlusPlus Vulcan ships from early Star Trek?
The first space dildo.
@ScottW You tiling a gaem?
 
@ScottW Once tried. I thought the UI was basically kinda shit. I stopped.
 
@CatPlusPlus Ugh, the LDAP module seems buggy as fuck.
 
It's also potentially similar to Romulan ships, some Klingon designs and the Sisters of EVE faction ships (due to the circular warp drive structure)
 
6:55 PM
Fuck this.
 
@ScottW Going to the pub.
 
Probably way to easy for this room.
But I might mail it as a quiz to the team tomorrow.
 
@StackedCrooked yup too easy
not gonna answer because no spoilers
 
I'm actually trying to turn #offtothepub into an actual development related hastag.
 
6:58 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I heard Canadians often visit the pub on friday afternoons.
 
@StackedCrooked It's our British heritage.
 
@StackedCrooked Same thing when you reverse the order of the tests?
 
@Mysticial Yes. I intentionally repeated the tests to make it clear that cache warm-up is not the reason
you can swap them if you want
 
@StackedCrooked nice riddle though
 
Alright, that's enough for today. You guys have fun, I'll try to sleep for a few hours.
 
@unordered_meow I learned it from STL talk. ("Don't help the compiler")
 

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