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9:00 PM
In which case I don't.
 
I'm really curious what you need help with right now
 
"bacon"?
 
@Rapptz shoot
I may or may not be able to help :D
 
are there people who just eat bacon
 
Er, should be checkboxes, not radiobuttons.
 
9:01 PM
@AndyProwl I probably would if I could
 
Gluten-free with bacon
 
actually nah it would get old after a day
 
Kosher with bacon
Vegan with bacon
 
what
 
oh, well that makes sense then
 
9:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bacon with bacon or nothing
 
only kosher bacon for me please
 
I wish there was a way of saying what you don't want though
 
Nah, really, at least gluten-free should be mixable with all the others.
 
My "whatever" isn't really "whatever"
 
9:02 PM
It's conflating biological problems with ideological choices.
 
Vegan with bacon is a bit of a non-sense though isn't it
 
Basically assumes you can't be a celiac if you're vegan.
 
"The world is better, safer, more peaceful" - just like Obama said.
 
:D
all right, registration for CppCon done
 
9:05 PM
> "Please enter your birth date to continue"
*randomly enters 1996 and presses Enter*
OH SHIT that's gonna block me for being a minor
*not blocked*
WAIT WHAT KIDS BORN IN 1996 ARE NOT MINORS
 
need to look for accommodation
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, aging sucks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nope, surprises me too sometimes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They are 19.
 
Math is broken.
 
@Nooble golf clap
 
9:07 PM
@AndyProwl I demand faster clapping.
 
faster golf clap
 
@AlexM. How do you guys select maps?
 
who's "guys"?
 
people with penises
 
context dictates guys = competitive players.
 
9:08 PM
well, one
 
you mean people playing competitive in their free time or pro players?
because it's different
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ikr =/
 
pro players
 
@Rapptz de_dust loop?
 
right, there's a veto process between the two teams
 
9:08 PM
alright that's all I wanted to know
 
@Abyx It's a misleading map. The numbers dead are very vague and there's a lot of just 10+ conflicts- which wouldn't even make a dent in a single red or dark red conflict.
 
That's how everyone I knew did it back when I played CS in noughties.
 
each team bans maps and chooses maps, then the final is randomed out of those not banned and left
 
Yeah that's how I assumed it.
But some people are really stupid and think only Smash has this type of stage banning system.
 
6/2/7 welp... tis better than earlier when i was 1/0/8 or some such
 
9:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I meant cs:go not cs 1.6
 
@Rapptz de_dust II loop then
 
dust2 is a map in 1.6 too
it's been the go-to map for everyone for ages, and this includes CS GO but this only applies in public games
the loop I mean
 
yeah de_dust is p. popular
 
I'm in Dust II right now
 
@Puppy still those are conflicts. People are trying to kill each other, and it's not that important whether they hit or miss.
 
9:12 PM
there are ways to avoid it, if you use valve's matchmaking you select the maps you want to play and only get to play those
I only pick mirage, cache and inferno
 
@Abyx It's pretty fucking important whether or not they're trying, though. 10+ deaths is not a major ongoing conflict, it's one dude with a rifle. School shootings in the US kill more people than that.
 
I can't blame public players loving dust2 though, it's a great map that doesn't require a lot of teamplay
teams formed solely of people shooting great can win on it with minimal coordination
 
in a major ongoing conflict, you don't "miss". The other guy is the size of a fucking country.
 
@Puppy uhm... conflicts are not about people with rifles - it's about armies shooting at each other with artillery, and yeah, they often miss.
 
they really don't.
 
9:14 PM
@Rapptz dust2*
 
certainly not on that scale.
 
de_dust is mostly dead
it was never very popular because it's very CT-sided
 
you can't have a 100,000 strong army and fight another 100,000 strong army and have the battle be resolved by 10 deaths.
 
the Ts are at a serious disadvantage on it
 
do spammers even try
 
9:16 PM
for any major battle to not include more than 10 deaths due to artillery, they would have to miss practically every single shell for thousands and thousands of shells, at least.
 
@Puppy "conflicts" are not necessary full-scale wars.
 
@Rapptz Yes. :)
 
@AlexM. And yet terrorrists are winning right now T_T
<-- CT
 
you're playing dust2 not dust
 
@NSA I'M PLAYING CS_GO
 
9:17 PM
playing comp? what rank?
 
Casual, Noob^3
 
dust2 is very well balanced towards very slightly T-sided because it gives the Ts control of mid right at the start
 
@Abyx Well, they pretty much do have to be so.
 
silver 3? what in the world
 
we have enough full-scale wars going on that having any real impact on the death rate due to conflict would require another full-scale war.
millions dead in Syria and oh noes, 10 people died in Algeria?
not even a drop in the ocean.
 
9:18 PM
@Puppy look at what's happening in Turkey. sometimes ISIS goes in, shoots at a checkpoint, kills some soldiers and then falls back - that's "a conflicts". not a war yet.
 
man I feel like playing CS now
damn
 
@Abyx And doesn't even remotely factor in to the lives of most citizens in Turkey.
 
I think I'll go to faceit or sth, weekend = the time when most trolls are on
there is no joy in not having a premade team
you need to adapt your schedule to the trolls'
 
it's statistically highly insignificant and doesn't change the safety of the vast majority of people, even in Turkey.
the scale of conflict in the world would be pretty much the same with or without it
the only thing even remotely notable about it is that it happened on a slightly different patch of land to the last 10 guys
 
@Puppy Ukrainian conflict also doesn't affect most of citizens, however there are thousands of deaths total
 
9:21 PM
@Puppy Wikipedia says the estimate is around 220k, not millions.
 
@Abyx Hard to argue that it doesn't. They have to spend huge sums of money and live in constant fear of Russian annexation. Thousands of deaths is not that few in a population of 44m.
 
@Puppy no, that's EU's money
yours, perhaps
 
roccat made a cs go team :D I'll be a fan because my peripherals are roccats
#greatreason
@Borgleader if you want to see a pro game on dust2 here twitch.tv/TaKeTV_CSGO
it's live
 
@Puppy there is no martial law, people who are not in the war zone live just like they lived before.
 
yknow what else is live? the game im in :P
 
9:25 PM
@Abyx In constant fear of Russian annexation? I did not realize there was any prospect of that in 2011.
 
@AlexM. Where do all the gunskins come from? workshop?
 
@Puppy uhm... I wonder if there is such fear. Most of the people just carry on.
 
you get skins by opening cases (keys to open them cost $$$) or through other means (trading, periodic free drops, betting etc)
skins are selected by valve from the workshop, to be part of future cases
 
Forbes says that Ukraine's output in many areas is down by e.g. 20%
 
@AlexM. thats what i was asking about
 
9:28 PM
lost a lot of assets to the war in the East, the currency is in freefall, etc
 
@Puppy yeah, that's true
 
@Borgleader yep, players make them, but after selection valve may perform some minor changes (e.g. on some weapons it removed decals from the scope; original skin names also get changed often)
 
so it seems to me that they're economically going bust (just like Russia)
 
@Puppy that won't happen. EU will support Ukraine.
 
you can't just spam money at the problem... they already did that in greece
 
9:30 PM
@Puppy they have no choice.
 
seems to me that they do
they are trying to make Russia go bust before Ukraine goes bust
rouble's in freefall too
 
@Borgleader there's an interesting story with the M4A4 Howl skin; it used graphics stolen by the "author", and was removed from the case it was part of; Valve reskinned the howl so players can keep their Howl skins, and made the weapons "contraband" quality
this increased those skins' price a lot
 
heh
 
@Puppy lol no, Russia is perfectly fine. It's too huge and has too many resources.
 
@Abyx Pity that their value has gone down by about 50% in the last couple of years.
also, I guess you forgot about economic crashes before, like the fall of the Soviet Union?
 
9:31 PM
the AWP dragon lore is another very rare and expensive non-knife skin, but you can still get it through non-trading
i.e. random drops and special events, but not part of a case
 
im too bad to get skins
it would be a waste on my guns
 
it's funny because for some reason the best traders and luckiest bettors suck at the game :D
so you often see ultra-expensive skins at very low ranks
 
@Puppy oh and what happened to SU? the core's still alive and kicking (lol)
 
@AlexM. i also suck at both those things
in general
 
eh my skins are cheap too
my most expensive skin is like 10 eur or less
 
9:34 PM
but hey if i ever get extra steam money i might try that shit
but... eh, not in a hurry
 
we even got our Crimea back)
 
if you have money to spend on skins sure, but do keep in mind that noteworthy skins are 50 eur and up
 
@Abyx More like beating a dead horse.
 
@AlexM. Right now I dont
and i spend more time dead than not, so it would be a waste
 
@Puppy no reason to "fear annexation" then
 
9:40 PM
@Abyx Meh, if Russia behaved sensibly this whole thing would not have happened in the first place. Military is the only thing they seem to understand. It would not surprise me if they tried annexation just to Recover The Glory!
 
@Puppy uhm... sensibly to what?
 
pretty much everything that happened in Ukraine and Crimea
 
@Puppy Hard to say, its been a polarizing issue that has helped to rebrand the anti-putin agenda as an anti-russian agenda. So, it might have helped them domestically.
 
@Puppy Well Russia also didn't have much choice. It wasn't anything like "Recover The Glory". Russians have to protect Russians. We abandoned too many in the past (including our Serbian brothers and all those non-citizens in the Baltic states). So those Ukrainian events were a good time to do the right thing.
 
9:49 PM
@Abyx They could always have just gone to Russia.
 
Hello, anybody here watch Soccer?
 
@Puppy They did! But they took Crimea with them =)
@Puppy Different thing happened in DPR and LPR. They didn't go to Russia, they decided to stay on their land.
 
no
Watching other people kick ball is boring
Go outside and do it yourself
 
@Abyx Taking Crimea with them was completely unnecessary.
also the people of Crimea hardly took Crimea with them, Russian specops showed up and took Crimea.
 
@Puppy that was only because the people in Crimea wanted that.
 
9:54 PM
yeah, in the referendum that was done after they showed up?
 
It's not like Russian specops can show up in, say, Scotland and take it.
 
mostly because the UK has nukes and if Russian specops showed up in Scotland then Moscow would find out the hard way
 
@Puppy nope. they showed up only because that referendum thing already started. Otherwise we'd do the same thing in DPR/LPR, but they didn't start anything like a referendum. At that time they decided to carry on. And payed quite a price for that, when people were burned alive in Odessa. Then the conflict started, and it was too late to solve that peacefully, like we did in Crimea.
 
specops showed up before the referendum
 
@Abyx Do you actual believe what you wrote? For example people were burned alive in Odessa
 
10:02 PM
@Mikhail uhm... well I guess you just missed those news
 
@Abyx If only I could! I just don't believe whats on the TV.
 
@Mikhail theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/… , you can also find some gory videos on youtube
 
@Borgleader I recommend the cs go sub if you start to like the competitive scene reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive
it also has some non-competitive related posts too, like patch news and tutorials
anyway, it's the main way I keep up to date with what happens with the game
if something happens and it's related to cs go, it's there
 
> On 27 February masked Russian troops without insignias[2] took over the Supreme Council of Crimea,[34][35] and captured strategic sites across Crimea, which led to the installation of the pro-Russian Aksyonov government in Crimea, the declaration of Crimea's independence and the holding of a disputed, unconstitutional referendum.[36][37] (source)
seems Puppy's correct here
 
@AndyProwl "masked Russian troops without insignias", yeah, masked, without insignias - definitely Russian troops. Well the Russian version is that those were militia (locals), and actual Russian troops appeared later.
 
10:18 PM
> the Russian version
> On 17 April president Putin admitted for the first time publicly that Russian special forces were involved in the events of Crimea, for the purposes of protecting local people and creating conditions for a referendum.[15][16][17][18][19][20] Later he admitted that Russian Armed Forces had blocked Ukrainian Armed Forces in Crimea during the events.[21]
 
10:36 PM
@AndyProwl ok, here is the proper order of events: Feb22, Yanukovich (the President) runs away. Feb23, public rally in Sevastopol, Crimea ~20k of people. Feb24, pro-Russian activists (~10k ppl) control Sevastopol's administration. Feb25, rally in Simferopol. Feb27, some people captured Simferopol's administration, the referendum was proposed .
basically nothing would happen if people wouldn't gather and make that rally right after the coup
if they'd sit at their homes - those "Russian troops" would never appear
 
@ChemiCalChems Great song!
 
@Borgleader I love it.
 
10:46 PM
@Nooble CMAKELISTS!
THANKS
 
@ChemiCalChems You're welcome.
It's pretty easy, so there's an example.
 
@Nooble I hope I can understand it.
Especially when tomorrow I'm gonna start deving the 10HourLooper
 
Protip: with newer versions of CMake (3.1.0) you can set required standard directly
set_property(TARGET ProjectName PROPERTY CXX_STANDARD 11)
set_property(TARGET ProjectName PROPERTY CXX_STANDARD_REQUIRED ON)
set_property(TARGET ProjectName PROPERTY CXX_EXTENSIONS OFF)
 
@ChemiCalChems You should be able to. Note that I link 5 libraries, although two of them are header only.
@unordered_meow Ahh I see.
That is nice.
 
@Nooble Is there any non CMake library?
 
10:50 PM
@ChemiCalChems Yes, one of them was tinyobjloader.
 
@Nooble Awesome. Thanks
 
But I just made a CMakeLists for that, let me put that one on gist too.
 
@Nooble Awesome
 
@Nooble So basically for each non CMake lib I do that and that's it?
 
10:52 PM
The naming is weird. When you use add_library what you're really doing is adding the source files to the library.
@ChemiCalChems Yes.
 
@Nooble What does target_include_directory mean though?
 
@ChemiCalChems It adds the directory to the include path.
So you can use #include
This way anything that uses that target will also inherit the include directories.
 
@Nooble Oh. Use include as system dir? like <stdio>?
 
ITT ChemCalChems learns about existence of third-party libraries
 
@ChemiCalChems No I mean it includes the directories of the header files of the target.
 
10:55 PM
@unordered_meow You know I do use SFML and stuff. But on linux they have to be completely installed to be referenced with brackets.
@Nooble Oh I see.
 
@unordered_meow I haven't used CMake in quite a while, do you know what public does?
In the context of target_include_directories (glad PUBLIC ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR})
 
Dunno, which means I know as much as you do
 
Darn.
 
I used CMake in only one project yet
 
Now I have to go solve problems on my own :(
 
10:58 PM
And I use it by copy-pasting stuff from the internet
The less I have to learn about my build engine the better
 
:P
 
set (CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS "-std=c++14")
Doesn't that completely override existing flags?
 
Gonna go sleep
See ya guys tomorrow
 
Good night.
 
11:01 PM
By reading the above link you can get a vague idea of what it does
AFAICS CMake also does a half-assed job of package manager
 
I wouldn't be using CMake if everyone else wasn't already using CMake.
 
> The INTERFACE, PUBLIC and PRIVATE keywords are required to specify the scope of the following arguments. PRIVATE and PUBLIC items will populate the INCLUDE_DIRECTORIES property of <target>. PUBLIC and INTERFACE items will populate the INTERFACE_INCLUDE_DIRECTORIES property of <target>. The following arguments specify include directories.
 
In fact, I would've probably just be using make.
 
I can work with make but it always ends up as a source of endless annoyance.
 
I bricked my development box. The plastic retainers that held my Intel stock cooler onto the mobo and my i7 broke and the heatsink lost contact with the CPU, which promptly overheated and shut down. I managed to fasten the heatsink/fan back in place with cable-ties, but the thermal transfer was bad and the box shut down after a few minutes.

I fixed it by placing the box on its side and placing a half-brick on top of the fan housing. The CPU core temps dropped to 86C and my box is now useable:)
 
11:04 PM
Holy shit
Are you currently running it with >=86 degrees?
 
@MartinJames Err.
 
@unordered_meow Yeah.
 
You should try and fix that.
86C is almost T-junction max.
 
@MartinJames I still have a stock cooler left over form my i7, I can send you a replacement :p
 
In fact, an FX-6300 would thermal throttle at that point.
 
11:06 PM
@Nooble I ran my i7 at 100 degrees for years.
 
@Puppy What are you doing...
 
chip was faulty I think
or possibly the heatsink
 
@melak47 S' OK. I'll order a new heatsink/cooler thingy.
 
I remounted it and applied new TIM a few times but it never made a difference
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I anticipate to be in Berlin during late August for a few days. If you're there as well, we could meet up or something.
 
11:07 PM
To make less annoying I look up how to do stuff, but that violates the rule
8 mins ago, by unordered_meow
The less I have to learn about my build engine the better
 
@Puppy I mean, at those temperatures, how could you play games?
 
@MartinJames I just hope CPUs these days don't break because of a little overheating :)
 
@Nooble i7s are still pretty beefy, even when they're throttled down.
 
Speaking of games, since I'm on my new SSD, I haven't got any installed (besides Minecraft and TF2).
 
I remember when the heatsink on my old Athlon came loose...it worked fine, just shut done after 30 minutes of high load
 
11:09 PM
@Puppy You're still using that i7?
 
no.
but I only replaced it recently
 
Time to install KSP.
I've never landed safely on anything D:
I've managed to make a one way trip to Mun and crash on it's surface.
I wouldn't have crashed if I knew that the altimeter was not relative to the surface of the Mun.
 
use MechJeb
it gives you true altitude as well as ASL altitude, and a whole bunch of other very useful statistics
 
@Nooble So?
Doesn't mean you won't land safely next time
 
@Puppy Downloading it right now.
 
11:13 PM
;)
 
@DonLarynx I'm going to try to right now.
 
Time to brush up on these controls.
Lost all my saves so I need to make a new rocket.
 
user1804599
I like how Ruby inlines integers and floats in pointers.
 
user1804599
Using tag bits.
 
11:20 PM
> An issue with your computer is blocking the VAC system. You cannot play on secure servers.
 
I see you installed the new GLadOS? :)
 
Looks like a potato
 
I found that a large flintstone works better. Down to 82C now:)
 
@Puppy So I'm guessing I have to put MechJeb somewhere in my rocket?
 
11:24 PM
unless you get a mod that puts it on all capsules, yes
 
Ell
11:35 PM
evening
 
@Ell Good evening.
 
is there an 'else if' analog to #ifdef
 
#elif
 
In most cases you can replace any use of #ifdef WHATEVER with #if defined(WHATEVER)
(caveat: ISTR they're not strictly equivalent)
 
11:46 PM
which you would have found by googling else if preprocessor :P
 
isn't #elif without the 'defined' part though
 
#elif defined(WHATEVER) bro
 
@unordered_meow Can't you always replace #ifdef with #if defined()? not the other way around though
@unordered_meow Yeah I was asking for something that was the analog of #ifdef though
I guess ifdef is just weird
 
theres no elifdef afaik
 
> #ifdef identifier is essentially equivalent to #if defined( identifier)
 
11:49 PM
from what I read, #if defined(...) evaluates an expression
 
what
 
wat
 
but #ifdef is just some special shit that evaluates the 'token'
 
they are the same
it's syntactic sugar
 
and so is defined(x)
 
11:50 PM
@Prismatic i think youre confusing #if defined(...) with just #if ...
 
@Borgleader yes i am
nvm
 
@Borgleader That's what I was confusing it with
 
you can do #if defined(THING) && THING > 5 with #if
 
yes
 
but not with #ifdef
 
11:50 PM
obviously
 
obv
 
LOOK MAN, I WAS JUST CONFUSED
 
The killer feature of #ifndef is that it's as long as #define so your header guards align nicely
 
I like #ifdef because I dont like ( ) brackets
 
parentheses
 
11:52 PM
whatever
 
lol
 
Ell
I call 'em brackets
 
they're called freedom brackets
 
user1804599
> no #pragma once
 
@Rapptz i was going to post something mean
 
11:53 PM
#pragma once is not a replacement for #ifdef wrongfold
and #pragma once sucks anyway
 
what should I use for my header guards #pragma once or #ifndef #define #endif
 
user1804599
> so your header guards align nicely
 
@Rapptz how so?
 
user1804599
Why does #pragma once suck?
 
user1804599
Because all compilers don't not implement it?
 
Ell
11:54 PM
bcos non-standard
 
istr it being slower than #ifdef for clang/gcc.
 
Ell
it's not bad but using it is bad
 
@Ell all compilers worth using support it
 
Ell
@Borgleader meh
 
speaking of slow build times
 
Ell
11:55 PM
I'd rather write standard code
 
holy shit gradle is slow
 
@rightfold Because -pedantic warns on it
 
user1804599
@unordered_meow It doesn't.
 
>2011
 
11:55 PM
@Ell especially since it's an extra two lines?
 
Ell
the two lines doesn't bother me really
 
Well, you could use both.
 
user1804599
Three.
 
@Rapptz Thats ridiculous =/ But thats like shitting on c++ streams because microsofts implementation is shit :P
 
Ell
@rightfold two additional lines I mean
 
user1804599
11:56 PM
I don't.
 
user1804599
Boilerplate is stupid anyway so use OCaml.
 
That said I use #pragma once in program code, and include guards in what is supposed to be library code
 
user1804599
@Rapptz -1 IDE vomit.
 
Ell
class vector(t: copy_constructible & moveable, n: nat, a: allocator = std.allocator(t))
	private:
		var storage: t*;
		var a: allocator;
	public:
		fun vector(): vector(t, 0, a) {
		}
		fun push_back(t: element): vector(t, n+1, a): unit {
		}
		fun resize(count: nat): vector(t, count, a): unit {
		}
}
 
11:57 PM
>IDE
 
Ell
how is my terrible language
 
that's sublime text
 
@rightfold laffo
 
@rightfold bad troll is bad
 
user1804599
@Ell tabs/10
 
11:58 PM
are those actually 8-space equivalent tabs?
edit: yes
 
user1804599
Here's what tabs do to your code:
 
@Ell dont tell me you have codegen for all of this, because i might cry
 
user1804599
 
8 space tabs make everything more readable :)
 
Ell
@Borgleader Why would you cry? :P
 
11:59 PM
I prefer 4 or 2 for my tab width
 
user1804599
I like 7.
 

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