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2:00 PM
Imports also count as sold in this.
 
Motorcycles keep coming out with carburetors though vOv
cheaper tech.
@R.MartinhoFernandes how would you relate that to the shorter vehicle lifetime though?
 
Vehicle lifetimes are higher these days o_O.
Also note that many of these changes in cars don't have only the effect of being less pollutant. Several of them are essentially increased efficiency.
Better burns = less pollution.
 
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B. Martinho Banachewicz
 
Average lifetimes (in distance travelled) have more or less tripled since the 60s.
Though I dunno how much that means in time instead of distance.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes excuse me
 
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2:05 PM
As a linearist I'd say three times longer in time.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh people trash cars having 200kkm.
 
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kkm is called Mm
 
@BartekBanachewicz And in the 60s they did so with 100.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and in the 80/90s with 1500
 
No, they didn't.
lolwut
Yes, I know you know a few cars with impressive mileages (I know those too), but those are the outliers.
 
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2:06 PM
in Dutch "kkm" would mean cancer metre
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you gotta note how turbocharged 3-cylinder 1.2 units look awfully not bright in the future though
it's a smaller engine with smaller pistons and smaller crankshaft providing more power than huge old engines
sure we can make them strong, but they also need to be lightweight
from the car maker's perspective 60kkm is enough.
people buy next one by then
 
@BartekBanachewicz Just consider that some people buy them with 200kkm.
 
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Car fuel can't melt steel beams.
 
I bought mine with 230, but it had the engine replaced earlier
 
Yeah, but it's still not an engine with new technology.
 
2:11 PM
well, depending on what we call new technology
it's a common-rail turbocharged diesel
 
I mean that it is probably the same as the old one, or maybe a slight variant.
I.e. same tech level as of manufacture.
 
@rightfold I'm sure it could
 
Well still I'd bet on an 80s car doing a better mileage than mine vOv
those things are dumb simple
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you know how you tell me to let go of the hook...
 
@thecoshman Meh, it's being quite civil.
 
2:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's not the point
 
are you offended @thecoshman
 
Also, this is reminding me that I originally wanted to be a mechanical engineer.
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, tired
 
Then I found a programmable calculator and my life was ruined.
2
 
let's make a car shop
it would be sooo cool to do that
 
2:16 PM
A workshop or a sales shop?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd love to move over to real world engineering stuff
 
workshop
 
My dad has one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes correction, we now have one :D
 
I guess I can easily obtain it through fratricide, but not interested.
 
2:17 PM
to robots dads old shop!
 
my GFs dad built his garage thinking about one before he passed out.
 
Wait, fratricide is brother murder.
patricide?
 
I was actually thinking about completing his vision
it's like 7m high, has enough space for a car lift
now wouldn't that be cool.
 
Might actually need both cides just to be sure my brother doesn't get any ideas.
 
lol
is it in Portugal though?
 
2:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes roboticide?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes.
 
... beats pooland... scnr
 
lol island savages
@thecoshman keep h8ing m8
 
@thecoshman which ... beats London, though.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hey, I can swim, I just choose not get swept away and eaten by the Kracken!
@R.MartinhoFernandes I couldn't honestly say, but of course not :P
 
2:20 PM
oooh got first corporate paperwork to fill out
 
@BartekBanachewicz holy shit on toast, you actually sound excited about that
But yeah, mechanics would be good
 
@thecoshman new job vOv
 
How can snot be produced so fast? :(
 
4 mins ago, by thecoshman
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd love to move over to real world engineering stuff
have you tried moving to real world software engineering stuff
 
@BartekBanachewicz maybe...
@BartekBanachewicz sort of moving closer to real world stuff...
 
2:22 PM
Software engineering and real world are inherently incompatible.
 
To be fair... I just want an excuse to weld stuff :\
 
can't wait till the new engine parts come
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes cold
 
if I manage to put it all back together so that it works better I'll be sooo happy
 
@BartekBanachewicz maybe settle for 'working again' :P
 
2:24 PM
I'll start with doing engine calibrations on this one first
 
I was thinking that when I get my self driving, I might look to make myself a we go-kart
 
since I'll have to do it on the new one as well
@thecoshman eh, won't be street-legal anyway
I wanted to build a gokart when I was like 12
 
@BartekBanachewicz of course not...
well... it could be
 
not sure if it's such an interesting project anymore
 
but then you have to put a lot more effort into it
 
2:26 PM
the point is gokarts are just like cars except shittier
 
not sure if Ireland has SVA
@BartekBanachewicz or, just like cars except with out the boring shit like lights and number plates
I mean more like a 'dirty buggy' sort of thing
for tearing up fields
 
that's not a gokart
that's a buggy
I was actually talking with a guy I met yesterday about it
 
SCons: thoughts?
 
Oh, Ireland does have SVA, but they call it IVA
 
his hobby is Mitsubishi tuning
 
2:27 PM
@FlorianMargaine get someone else to do it
 
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Heterosexual Testosterone Compressor by Cock and Ball Torture is great.
 
and he was actually working on a buggy as well
with a motorcycle engine
it's not a simple job, though
welding a few pipes together is like the least of the problems
 
yeah, it's a non trivial but not stupidly hard problem
 
dunno what's "stupidly hard" in your book
but it's kinda that yes.
 
@thecoshman lol. It's that bad?
 
2:29 PM
@FlorianMargaine it's ok.
 
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what's the warmest organ in a dead woman?
my dick.
 
wow.
 
> A Thing to Try: The Hypocrite, Fatburger's Veggie Burger with Bacon gq.com/story/…
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@Borgleader nice
 
2:42 PM
Yawn
 
So, if all things go well, I'll be able to do some nonius and ogonek and yajna programming again starting next week.
Woot.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes nice.
 
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Instead of implementing all the horrible Unicode stuff in Mill or JS, I'll just write a C API around Ogonek and compile it with Emscripten!
 
@rightfold I've been thinking about hourglassing ogonek, so the C API would be there already.
In fact, that's how the UCD querying works already.
 
Fuck, how does one export symbols in DLLs on non-windows?
 
2:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That would be exciting.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's DIY-able
@FlorianMargaine it's just shit I wouldn't want to deal with
@rightfold dude, come on now
 
woah they've sent my engine already
but I've realized my terrible mistake
 
@BartekBanachewicz not compatible?
 
@thecoshman I don't know if valves were lapped
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes vagina programming?
 
2:54 PM
the crown is sold as fully mounted, but....
 
@BartekBanachewicz crown? I presume you mean head?
 
yeah w/e
I wonder how much would I need to disassemble to do the lapping
 
puhf, sure, use the wrong elephant why not
 
"engine crown" is also used
 
Starboard needs more bold
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2:56 PM
but yes, I meant engine head
 
@BartekBanachewicz by who??
 
nevermind
tell me if I need to disassemble it to lap the valves
that's the important part
@thecoshman once you have a lot of experience yes
 
@BartekBanachewicz depends how fancy you think you need to be
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes nice :p
 
I have no idea how to explain to you how gokarts aren't simple so I'll shut up
 
this suggests that it can be done on the mounted thing
@R.MartinhoFernandes can you confirm?
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes though I think converting the alrogirthms to JS is a better idea than using Emscripten. :p
 
@BartekBanachewicz Dunno. We usually lap the valves on the engine head held on a vise.
 
but are the valves just put there or mounted as if they were, well, mounted?
 
(Vise not too strong and with rubber or wood padding to avoid damage, of course)
 
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3:01 PM
IIRC UTF-8 is already implemented by browsers.
 
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But I'm not sure.
 
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well, not needed for hello world anyway
 
@BartekBanachewicz You just put them on the head
 
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since hello world uses console.log which already takes a string
 
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and I use JS strings as internal representation of text
 
3:03 PM
Oh, I see what you mean by "mounted".
I thought you meant the head mounted on the block.
 
You mean the camshaft and springs and valves and whatnot are all in place, right?
 
exactly
i am afraid of damaging the top of valve "rods" when spinning them
 
Wait, it comes assembled but needs the valves lapped?
I'd check that first.
 
E-mailed the dealer already.
 
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3:05 PM
I think <audio> should be changed to <input type="radio">.
 
Forgot/didn't know to ask before.
 
If that's the case, disassembling sounds safer.
 
shit
well I'd waste the whopping €3 of assembly costs
 
because that's how much more expensive the assembled one was IIRC
I've read that I can check the valves by pouring some naptha over them
is that enough of verification?
after all, what they are meant to stop are gasses of a few atm. of pressure
 
3:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Dunno.
 
someone recommended... milk (o.O)
 
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people are actually asking if goat milk is okay
 
Fuck LINUX
 
what the fuck
 
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3:15 PM
I love Linux! <3
 
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best kurnul evur!
 
How the fuck does one export some fucking symbols in LINUX-based OSs?
This is fucking insane
 
Just noticed.
Cells in yajna have keys.
lol
@nabijaczleweli Er. It's simple.
 
@nabijaczleweli If you’re not using visibility options then there isn’t much to do. It’s kinda the default, so to speak.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I compile and link with -fvisibility=default for testing
 
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3:18 PM
HUIs
 
nm -g also says, that all goddamn symbols are global
But linker responds with: "nah, fuck you"
 
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I want a trash pulveriser.
 
Did you sanity check the order of arguments to the linker?
 
@LucDanton What should it be?
 
dunno
 
3:22 PM
If you repeating the list of arguments, does it work?
(I.e. ld -la -lb -lc -la -lb -lc instead of ld -la -lb -lc)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What if you repeat them in the wrong place? :D
Now twice as wronger!
 
There's also the flag thing.
ld --start-group -la -lb -lc --end-group
 
@LucDanton Would be equally wrong, because wrongness/length is constant
 
That'd fix a bad order thing.
 
3:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shouldn't matter, I don't invoke the linker directly and link only to one .so file
 
> Batman: Arkham Knight DLC trailer shows Batgirl in action
they didn't even re-release the game yet
but they already show DLC
I guess the console guys can use it
 
"Generic Programming Must Go"? wut
 
3:54 PM
@fredoverflow wat
33:43 that code is terrible :F
7:47 woot
(I'm just jumping around that)
 
Seriously, he couldn't think of a bidirectional infinite range?
There's the trivial one: an endlessly repeating double-ended list of zeros.
[..0..] in pseudo-Haskell notation.
But there are also useful ones: whole numbers.
 
isn't any circular list an infinite bidir
regardless of contents
 
How about the whole numbers?
 
@fredoverflow They grow infinitely in both directions.
 
I dunno what to eat today :<
maybe pasta
 
4:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes And isn't that a bidirectional inifinite range?
 
You can always move further back, and you can always move further forth.
@fredoverflow That's what I meant.
Surprised Andrei couldn't think of it.
 
wow
It's like the first that comes to mind.
He must have blacked out.
Or maybe too much Vodka the night before.
 
shrug
 
@fredoverflow Hmm, I always think of the degenerate ones first :D.
 
I think circular lists are the best examples because you don't need to think with infinite precision for them
 
4:05 PM
Circular lists are weird.
 
@AlexM. Well, map(isEven, wholeNumbers) doesn't need infinite precision.
 
does it infinitely generate numbers?
technically it's not precision I guess
 
Is map lazy in D?
 
but more about what you can store considering the constraints of your hardware and software
 
I don't mean the operation directly. I just mean the range it represents.
 
4:06 PM
@fredoverflow I guess if you want to be pedantic
 
It has the same structural properties as the whole numbers, just not the same values.
 
IIRC the definition of circular lists says that start == end
so you can say that you're at its end when you're at the start so it's not infinite
and vice-versa for start at end
@R.MartinhoFernandes can you do that
move further back I mean
 
@fredoverflow Where do you start from?
 
whole numbers are [0, inf)
integers are (-inf, inf)
 
@AlexM. Er.
Whole numbers and integers are the same.
 
4:08 PM
@LucDanton You start at zero, where else?
@AlexM. You are confusing whole numbers with natural numbers.
 
Oh wow.
Well done English-speaking mathematicians.
 
> In mathematics, the natural numbers (sometimes called the whole numbers)
 
@fredoverflow What is at the other end?
 
@nabijaczleweli wut, rly?
 
4:10 PM
Amazing.
 
uh
 
Just say die Zahlen then ;)
 
In that case, I apologize. I meant the integers.
 
N doesn't include -inf, 0]
 
> This article is about “positive integers” and “non-negative integers”. For all the numbers ..., −2, −1, 0, 1, 2, ..., see Integer.
 
4:10 PM
Z is (-inf, inf)
 
holy crap NYSE just halted trading
 
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Well done English-speaking mathematicians.
 
@Mgetz Why? Server problems?
 
@fredoverflow yes, identical server problems to what united airlines is having I suspect
 
@fredoverflow so confusing
 
4:11 PM
@fredoverflow How do you build an infinite bidi range out of them?
 
@nabijaczleweli A whole number should be one without a fractional part :/ That's what "whole" means.
(i.e. truncate(n) = n)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, makes no sense to me
 
Fucking naturals are ambiguous here
different people call either 0, 1, 2, ... or 1, 2, 3, ... as naturals
 
@milleniumbug Doesn't matter here.
Both have the same structure.
 
I have never heard people call the natural numbers the "naturals".
 
4:15 PM
Having the addition identity or not is not relevant for a discussion on ranges.
 
@BoniTea They should start then
Integral numbers -> Integers.
Natural numbers -> Naturals?
 
@milleniumbug "Fucking naturals" sounds unambiguous to me...
@LucDanton Oh wait, ranges start at the "edges", don't they? fuck :(
I have never implemented a range in D, maybe it's trivial, maybe it's impossible, I dunno.
 
hiii there
 
@fredoverflow Normal is okay, but for bidi that is the trick, yeah.
 
@GreekFellows omg hiiiii how r u?????
 
4:19 PM
@GreekFellows hi cicada
 
@fredoverflow very well, i am very well.
@AlexM. i thought i was no cicada?
a discussion about natural numbers...
 
are you a rational cicada then?
 
@AlexM. if i am to be a cicada, then i should be a rational one.
 
@fredoverflow There is also Counting Numbers: mathworld.wolfram.com/CountingNumber.html
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... vagina?
 
4:27 PM
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by the bye, i thought natural numbers are natural because you use them for counting. and they should include 0.
 
> by the bye
 
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4:48 PM
Hello.
 
@rightfold hulloa.
 
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@Greek give me my money back.
 
@rightfold alright.
@rightfold sanguine?
 
Could someone on an OS with LINUX please test this?
 

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