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9:02 AM
Because Perl is great.
 
@Jefffrey That is also on wiki
 
@buttifulbuttefly lol
 
@Ven Interesting.
 
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@Ven I'm gonna add one more thing to the AST types, namely foreign sub declarations.
 
inb4 but Haskell does not promote unreadable code.
 
Ven
9:06 AM
@rightfold: alright :)
@buttifulbuttefly because it's fun!
 
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I often have this problem with Haskell
 
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data Decl
    = ImportDecl ModuleName
    | SubDecl String ParameterList Type Expr
    | ForeignSubDecl String Name String ParameterList Type
 
user1804599
this doesn't tell me what those fields should be.
 
> Not just picking on MSVC here, every compiler has its quirks lol
 
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I could make separate types for all of them but that's cumbersome all over the place
 
user1804599
9:09 AM
but records are bad at sums
 
@Ven wooosh.lzma
 
Ven
*g*
 
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ooh wait
 
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type aliases :D
 
Ven
but you're not in semantic realm anymore
 
user1804599
9:14 AM
@Ven PR
 
> The second "Safer" script is exactly equal to the first.

While I agree in principle that you can consider a snippet safer after it has been independently written twice to arrive at the exact same text... I don't think that's the point you were trying to make. [sauce](https://github.com/lefticus/presentations/commit/9554a07520a8198c41cecdb899e6bc8094f18396?diff=unified#commitcomment-11906038)
 
@Ven lol
 
@buttifulbuttefly whoosh is usually not text based, mp3 is bound to get better compression
 
ok then... let's see how this Atom editor pans out
 
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not Vim
 
9:18 AM
spoiler alert, I don't care much for vim
 
Vim doesn't afford easy panning out
 
@sehe Butt lossy. Also lzma is generalistic. Not text only. But you knew that, sehe.pkzip. Right.bz2?
 
If you want Emacs-style editor then just use Emacs
 
@buttifulbuttefly I know it's particularly effective for text. Every lossless algo is "generalist" in a way :)
 
9:24 AM
:|
 
You know what pisses me off about seeing the "rainbow flag" all over?
Poor indigo.
 
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rainbow fag
 
I have just learned that cloud leopard is different from snow leopard ...
as you can see, they are clearly different
 
you mean, butt leopard
@MarcoA. You have an uncanny sense for (creating) websites with interoperability challenges
Impressive.
 
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Making a website work poorly is harder than making it work well.
 
9:28 AM
I agree
 
@rightfold bummer
 
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And of all the talks only one seemed somewhat interesting anyway.
 
Martin's?
 
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95% of them are about reactive scalability bullshit.
 
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@fredoverflow the one about valhalla.
 
9:29 AM
> Develop in Go, Python, Node, Ruby, PHP, etc
no
 
Atom installed... well then... it's a thing alright
 
@fredoverflow everything and every thing is a "thing"
 
every thing
 
@sehe wow, that was a long read.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes we're not that inclusive
 
9:31 AM
> Envelop in Goo, Pathos, Nude, Rope, LSD, etc.
 
hahahahah issues keep piling up
 
How can you even call it "rainbow flag" if you leave indigo out :(
 
@Mr.kbok But more informative than anything I'd seen to date. The general media don't do anything in-depth anymore
 
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publish them on hacker news
 
everythings ded
 
9:31 AM
> rainbow fag
 
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incognito
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Indigo need no apply
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes to be fair, we could get pedantic about any of the shades (though I agree, Indigo should be there)
 
Indigogo
 
@sehe flag!
 
9:33 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Simple, people suck at this physics thing.
 
@buttifulbuttefly as long as it's colourful
 
also, how do you know it's not violet they are leaving out?
 
Hi. I have a general programming question not suited (I think) more to 1 room or another. I have a C++ app which sends emails. The user can enter their SMTP details (including password) to send. This means I need to store the password. Whilst hashing appears to be safest way, I don't feel I can use it as I'll need to decrypt it. My question is, in this type of situation, is the only option to encrypt the password and store it in a field/file
 
@thecoshman It promotes violet behaviour
 
9:34 AM
@thecoshman Nobody forgets about Violet
 
@CatPlusPlus opposed to ignorant?
 
@MyDaftQuestions Don't store passwords
 
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@MyDaftQuestions No questions are suitable for rooms. We have Stack Overflow for those
 
@thecoshman Because it is there...
 
9:35 AM
@sehe dump solaris
 
Violet is there, therefore it's not left out.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬
 
Indigo isn't there, therefore it is left out.
Not sure what else do you want me to say.
 
@MyDaftQuestions The operating system offers facilities to store passwords AFAIK
 
Going to the office
Smell the ashes
rip me
rip everyone
 
9:36 AM
cats are evil anyways
 
@nabijaczleweli so if you want to have a utility which runs automatically and provides automatic alerts which must come from the customers email, how would you do it?
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus rip
 
@MyDaftQuestions Let Google/Amazon/Twitter/whatever handle them.
 
google is evil
amazon is evil
 
@MarcoA. I did that when Oracle bought it. My server now runs on Debian (thank LLNL for zfsonlinux)
 
9:39 AM
@nabijaczleweli Not at all the same topic. That's about not storing passwords. The problem in question is how to store passwords.
 
@khajvah Hoomans are evil
@R.MartinhoFernandes Meh. Somewhat relevant
 
we are all going to hell
 
I wish people treated compiler errors like that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes on topic at least, which is more than some can say
 
start praying to the savior
 
9:40 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It mentions storing passwords at the end, IIRC
 
our only salvation
 
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@BartekBanachewicz they'd all go use Python, where about the only compiler error you get is when you make a syntax error.
 
@BartekBanachewicz everything is danger
 
you mean, with excess drama?
Suits your taste then :/
 
lol, people pulling the "do you have any <oppressed group> friends?" card.
 
9:41 AM
@BartekBanachewicz If you disable warnings, mad Bjarne will come and kill you
2
 
Yes, I have a friend who's a PHP developer
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Maybe I do. I choose not to know"
 
@BartekBanachewicz So is -pedantic the real-life equivalent of dying whenever you trip your feet in the grass
 
never not trip yo' feet
 
@Mr.kbok riphp
 
9:42 AM
a buffer overflow can endanger yo kids. Code safely
 
a butter overflow can endanger yo arteries.
 
@nabijaczleweli That's a dumb advice in context
In general too, but especially in context
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes about what?
 
@sehe I always just reply "no", regardless of group.
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, it actually can :\ Toyota
 
9:46 AM
Guys, I have a question for you
 
@thecoshman It's when someone tries to imply you're racist because none of your friends is black. (replace "racist" and "black" as appropriate)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hehe. The IT solution to hampering data mining (feed them fake data) :)
@thecoshman AFAIR that wasn't a buffer overrun
 
@sehe the details of what 'trivial' bug doesn't really matter.
 
If you are going 80mph, how long will it take you to drive 80 miles?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh I thought you had a specific example in mind.
 
9:48 AM
@thecoshman oh, but you implied the details :)
@Jefffrey enough to make that lame joke annoying
 
@Jefffrey In city? About 3 hours
 
@Jefffrey ¬_¬ drive 8mph faster and it can be done in any time you like.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey 1 hour
Obvs
 
@Jefffrey is the speed constant throughout the trip
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you've cracked this one before, haven't you stackoverflow.com/q/31110409/85371 (with Boost Chrono too, ISTR)
 
9:49 AM
at 80
because right now I'm going at 0mph on my chair
 
@Jefffrey boooring
 
@sehe What joke
 
@Jefffrey o_0 80 + 8 = 88 = time travel
 
@thecoshman Someone wrote "Perhaps you should ask your gay friends (you have some, right?)" in a comment.
@sehe I just didn't use it. Deemed it too bothersome.
 
9:52 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh well obviously, don't you know gay people go on a course to learn all about being gay
 
@Jefffrey the one you just tried to make lamer still (mission impossible; instead you made yourself slightly lamer)
 
> you have some, right?
 
@thecoshman how else do you think the Gay Agenda gets planned out /s
 
Sounds as if everyone must have a quota of gay friends.
 
9:54 AM
@sehe Hmm. Suuuuure.
 
It's insulting because it assumes the starting state for everyone (no friends) is being homophobic.
 
if I don't have any friends, can I claim that they're all gay?
 
@AlexM. Yes, but you can't claim you have any gay friend.
 
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A vacuous truth is a statement that asserts that all members of the empty set have a certain property. For example, the statement "all cell phones in the room are turned off" may be true simply because there are no cell phones in the room. In this case, the statement "all cell phones in the room are turned on" would also be true, and vacuously so, as would the conjunction of the two: "all cell phones in the room are turned on and turned off". More formally, a relatively well-defined usage refers to a conditional statement with a false antecedent. One example of such a statement is "if Ayers Rock...
 
is this shit legal? ideone.com/WF8EJy (please don't shoot me)
 
10:08 AM
no worries, shooting people is rarely legal either
 
@Veritas yes, overloading is very, very illegal. Dont do it.
hint sarcasm
 
@Veritas It's C - fuck knows.
 
C is illegal.
 
was that posted here
 
10:09 AM
Yes, couple seconds ago by you
 
Oh that was written in C never mind lol
Still doesnt look illegal, theyre different signatures. Then again I dont know C.
 
> execute all the actions with administrative rights, at least
wait... there's more rights than what even admins have?
 
@DonLarynx C is weakly-ish typed, remember
 
@thecoshman super-admins
then mega-admins
admins are pretty meh
it's an admin's dream to one day become a turboadmin
 
10:18 AM
> error: invalid conversion from 'int (*)(int, int)' to 'int (*)()'
ideone compiles with -fpermissive, I guess. Aka -fkillingpuppies.
 
But more politically correct
 
> Even Jesus said when instructing His disciples: ‘But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one
haha
amazing. gonna save it somewhere.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nice
 
@BartekBanachewicz needs link biblehub.com/luke/22-36.htm
 
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this topic is too cheesy
 
10:27 AM
No. You mean the room topic
 
@BartekBanachewicz ?
@BartekBanachewicz Am I missing the joke?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes dunno jesus instructing people to run with swords always puts a smile to my face
 
fairly sure you can find 'quotes' of 'Jessus' for more or less anything
 
It's the Last Supper, and He knows He's about to be arrested.
Later one of the disciples cuts someone's ear off at the Mount of Olives, and Jesus objects to that and heals the ear.
 
"And he did say 'if a man doth resist the meat of another man, he shalt be welcome at my table'"
 
10:36 AM
> the meat of another man
 
@thecoshman Did you just make this up?
(Uncapitalised "he" is a dead giveaway)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sure
 
@but always make everything sounds 10x dirtier ... he could make a professional pimp easy with his nature talent ...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't copy and paste it
 
@chmod711telkitty What makes you think I'm not
 
10:39 AM
pimp pimp pimples
 
> BOMBSHELL: Chuck Norris Slams Obama About Charleston Shooting
Really
 
And then dies by a sniper shot
 
"And low, did the Shepard shun his sheep for his sheep did lie with others"
 
"Hello Nana, how are you? My husband got hit by a drone yesterday and got killed. When I found out I was happy for him to get what he wanted and go to paradise but at the same time I was devastated because I loved him so much and I knew I was never gonna see him again in this life."
 
FINALLY the uk is changing it's copyright law to fit the european law: telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11695345/…
 
10:48 AM
> it's
 
meh
Stupid englishmen having little relation between pronuncation and spelling.
Give me latin already
 
> Once again, this is yet another demonstration of how we need to get out of the EU ASAP by any means necessary.
nice
 
Well actually even outside the EU they would still officially have to respect it: as the copyright law is international following berne convention of 1900. Just outside EU it's hard to enforce it.
Als US/chinese/whatever citizens are not allowed to publisize (publicise, publicize?) photographs of architecturic buildings in the EU.
 
@chmod711telkitty These people are beyond insane
@paul23 Yeah, in theory (EU people too BTW). In practice I don't think it's ever enforced unless perhaps you intend to profit out of those photographs.
It's just an old, silly law that won't affect the common people. No need to get all Bartek over it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz This one is probably better if you want: Matt 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
 
10:53 AM
Did you know it's also forbidden for Frenchmen to fish in Belgium?
 
 
It's also forbidden for French women to wear pants.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Uh in the EU citizens do often get it (well not for posting on facebook, but when on public blogs yes they do). It's not silly - it's the main reason FOR copyright. All those things with programs ms windows etc, pale in comparison to the damage done to ARTIST who build buildings.
copyright = to protect artist, not to protect global companies.
 
I'm waiting here with a list of lawsuits regarding that particular law, feel free to compile a few.
 
that's the early reason the 16th century the first notion of copyright was created.
@buttifulbuttefly Most people just blank out images lol. - Why go for a lawsuit?
 
10:55 AM
wow you're thick
 
France is a bit screwed though - after accidentally opened the gate to potential terrorists
 
@chmod711telkitty ?
 
This is a list of terrorist attacks in France in peacetime from 1800 to the present. Several 19th-century French rulers were targeted in unsuccessful assassination attempts which killed numerous innocent bystanders. Since 1961, more than 100 people have been killed and over 600 injured in terrorist attacks carried out by a variety of groups from the extreme right, extreme left, extreme Basque, Breton and Corsican nationalists, Algerian insurgent groups and Islamist extremists. Most of the attacks have been bombings utilising improvised explosive devices (IEDs), of which the bloodiest was the 1961...
Looks like that it has intensified after 20 December 2014
 
@paul23 Funny how you said "give me latin" and then failed to properly spell a word of Latin origin.
 
How's that opening the gates?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which is? (btw I never said Im good at it, but at least it is way more logical than any modern language)
 
11:04 AM
Lojban (pronounced [ˈloʒban]) is a constructed, syntactically unambiguous human language based on predicate logic, succeeding the Loglan project. The name "Lojban" is a compound formed from loj and ban, which are short forms of logji (logic) and bangu (language). The Logical Language Group (LLG) began developing Lojban in 1987. The LLG sought to realize Loglan's purposes, and further improve the language by making it more usable and freely available (as indicated by its official full English title, "Lojban: A Realization of Loglan"). After a long initial period of debating and testing, the baseline...
 
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@Ven how to do symbol tables help
 
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I don't know how to pair symbols with declarations.
 
@rightfold hello how is symbal table formed ??
 
user1804599
11:16 AM
no, symbol
 
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wait, I don't have to
 
Satellites don't exist
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's boring
 
> Everything about Etak's Navigator had to be conceived from scratch. And it worked.
this is precisely contrary to modern era
modern web pages are based on shitload of frameworks with little added value and still manage to run shit
 
11:31 AM
@buttifulbuttefly I think that's a plausible observation yes
 
@paul23 cough. Why do they have umpteen irregular verbs, a dozen regular conjugations (with legio ambiguous endings - in that they could comes from several stems/families) and have words like puer that are noun, words like fluctus, fluctūs instead of mani and some are even female (yes, manus lends itself for obvious innuendi).
Add onto that the many obscure combinatoric semantincs of the ablative - you could say latin is as regular as C++. It's only "clear" or palatable because it's dead.
It's like saying fossiles are much more pleasant because they're not biting or mutating.
@nabijaczleweli it's cymbal (nice with some cowbell)
 
@buttifulbuttefly Not anymore
 
@MarcoA. Not Safe For Heart
 
@buttifulbuttefly The law has been removed some months ago.
 
11:40 AM
@buttifulbuttefly what
@Mr.kbok what
 
There was an old French law that forbade women to dress as men (eg wear pants). They were only allowed to wear pants if required, that is, if riding a horse or something.
But the law was removed some time ago
 
the carnav one
@Mr.kbok lol
> Each tape could hold 3.5MB of data, which was quite a bit for low-cost removable computer storage at the time.
TIL a cassette can store more than a 2.5 floppy
> They chose a vector unit because a high-enough resolution bitmapped display would have been prohibitively expensive in 1984. The vector display was crisp and legible.
I so love to read about stuff from the 80s being better designed than what we have now
 
@BartekBanachewicz Depends largely on how long the tape is. And partly on the modulation/demodulation fidelity of course
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz TIL stuff we have today was "designed"
 
I want a job where I can build stuff like in the 80s
actually well thought and not just pretending to be useful
 
the Etak's story was a great read, and the fact that it ended in TomTom is even nicer
 
@BartekBanachewicz stay romantic
 
also a spacex rocket exploded
 
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@Mr.kbok France is one step closer to décence.
 

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