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5:00 PM
@DonLarynx You're truly a troll :-P ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't think "troll" is italicized.
jkjk
 
@VOTProductions So why are you using it, if it's awful?
 
There is no other tutorial on SDL2 as far I can see
 
Xeo
Sup.
I just discovered the local asian supermarket - save my wallet
 
@VOTProductions You don't memorize these things, you look them up as you need them.
 
5:04 PM
Ok, so it's better to go "I want to build a game" and work from there?
 
SDL_Window* window = NULL;
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA runs away
 
I thought that was a bit strange too
 
So. I'm hungry. I want to eat cereals. But I have no milk. And I'm still in my underwear.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not good. Good. Horrible. Very good
 
Replace milk with beer
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@BartekBanachewicz So, like commercial software projects then
 
5:20 PM
@CatPlusPlus That would make it too soggy, (unless @EtiennedeMartel strains it through his underwear).
 
@MartinJames That would give it some special flavor.
 
Butt flavoured
 
I'm supposed to be writing a library but am having fun with JS. Pls send halp
 
hmmm
"fastest 100m on a skateboard by a dog"
I did not need to read this article.
 
Meh - all sluggish. Something is eating up a core:(
Oh look - it's a FF plugin. What a surprise:(
 
5:30 PM
@nabijaczleweli how dare you
 
@EtiennedeMartel buy the milks
 
@Puppy That would need fixing the last issue.
 
Milk the buys
 
nah
just go out in your underwear and buy the milk
 
It's raining outside.
 
5:32 PM
@Puppy ..be careful where you shove your credit card.
 
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/me milks Cat Plus Plus
 
1 min ago, by Puppy
just go out in your underwear and buy the milk
 
Beautiful photoshop replaces need for article
 
I need to go out to buy paper but I just got inside :<
 
5:36 PM
@nabijaczleweli I didn't know photoshop offered that advanced "free-hand red pencil" functionality.
 
@Jeremy Finding stuff in PS is hard
 
@thecoshman holy shit I would use that on
uh
my dog yeah
 
@thecoshman my dog would have sprikled that water like a damn fountain
and eaten/broken the damn thing
and everything would have been just reported as a "0/5" on amazon
 
5:40 PM
@thecoshman Just train your dog to enjoy it, for whatever reason vOv
 
@rightfold Video DownloadHelper apparently doesn't care ;) Although the videos without the slides are borderline worthless.
 
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@fredoverflow I made an account with a mailinator.com email address.
 
user1804599
Problem solved.
 
@rightfold Notify me when you see an interesting video, will you? thx
 
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5:46 PM
good job stack exchange
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum How do you define FP? HOFs?
 
user1804599
I don't particularly care about paradigm naming anymore.
 
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As long as I can express my folds using foreach loops and mutable variables I'm happy.
 
@MarcoA. The pink stuff is a quick-setting cement.
 
I prefer cyanoacrylate
 
5:59 PM
@thecoshman How good of the dogs to stand so still.
 
@Puppy For Daisy the Superdog?
 
yep
 
user1804599
yay
 
@caps The spray is liquid nitrogen.
 
user1804599
sub foo(a: b): (A, B) => C { } parse success :D
 
6:01 PM
thought you just said that it was cement
 
@Puppy That's the pink stuff.
 
I wonder how much the dentist will cost me
inb4 too much
 
@MartinJames in that case it might work :D
@rightfold you highly confused me with your new avatar
you know that the lounge doesn't like avatar changes
people start to bang their heads against monitors and scream in terror
 
@MarcoA. Rightfold is [other people with lambda in avatar] confirmed
 
6:11 PM
@fredoverflow HOFs, facilities to make it easy to compose functions, lack of imperative flow control (optionally).
But yeah it's not a precise definition.
 
omg Benjamin you have a gold badge
 
@MarcoA. yeah, I'm very ashamed of it - to be fair most of it is "don't use jQuery" and that one +300 answer on async JavaScript
 
nothing to be ashamed of, jquery is the way
 
the true path to elightenment
 
jQuery is love, jQuery is life. I read jQuery and I know jQuery I just don't like jQuery. Then again that can be said for large parts of JavaScript, HTML and CSS. Also most of NodeJS and generally a lot of the technologies I have a high score in
 
6:21 PM
@rightfold is our resident python expert
 
At least I'm not a PHP developer like LRiO lol.
 
Ask him about matrix operators
 
Has anyone used glad?
 
@Jeremy I actually like the @ operator, I also like the type system I played with, that might be my very short experience.
 
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@Jeremy her
 
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6:23 PM
The worst part of FP is the community.
 
@rightfold is the community you, fred, and bartek?
 
user1804599
Broader.
 
@rightfold Haskell people have always been very nice to me on IRC.
 
user1804599
which channel?
 
user1804599
#haskell on freenode is too busy
 
user1804599
6:25 PM
also scala will get type unions and intersections.
 
I've actually had a lot of positive experience with #haskell, I asked for help there a few times and always got relevant solid help.
 
user1804599
I should write some more Scala code.
 
@rightfold I agree, mostly people who oversell it and tell you all your problems go away if you use Haskell. That it's a solid language and so on.
Haskell is like this really cool playing ground, I love it for that. I had a lot of fun with it and I even use it in production for a few (smallish scale) things where it works beautifully. I just wish people didn't oversell bullcrap like "if it compiles then it works".
 
user1804599
just wait for Mill :p
 
There is also a lot of really mediocre code written by the community in Haskell because well... it's hard. There's also the fact there is 20 years of cruft in Haskell which give us some really odd design choices.
 
6:29 PM
you can be bad at haskell?
 
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I just realise in Mill we distinguish between "sub types" and "subtypes" lol.
 
user1804599
they mean different things
 
@AlexM. Haha, most people are bad at Haskell :D
 
user1804599
most people are bad at everything
 
Yeah, exactly.
 
user1804599
6:30 PM
especially you!
 
Not especially :D
@rightfold I don't have an opinion about Mill, but the more I use Haskell the less I like it for general purpose and the more I wish it was used for things R and Python are used for.
 
Is the order of initialization of class member variables well defined if they are defined inline?

class blah {
int one{1};
int two{one+1};
}
 
@Prismatic as they appear in the definition
 
@Prismatic My gut says yes.
 
ty
 
6:33 PM
this tikz stuff is crazy lol
 
@rightfold what's this Mill thing?
 
right now I wouldn't be surprised if you can run crysis inside a latex document
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum my language huehuehue
 
@rightfold I'm sure you're a better language designer than SPJ and all these other people and won't make any mistakes :D
 
user1804599
me too
 
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6:35 PM
Here's one mistake I didn't make: stdout is passed to main instead of being a global.
 
user1804599
fuck globals
 
Does Go have globals?
Gobals?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
user1804599
var x = 1

func f() { x++ }
func g() { x++ }

func main() { go f(); go g(); select {} }
 
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Data race!
 
6:39 PM
why is that a race? does 'go' process its arg in some random thread
 
go = async?
 
user1804599
go spawns a thread.
 
laf
why not call it spawn_thread instead of 'go'
or even async lol
 
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@Prismatic I don't see what benefit that would bring.
 
The benefit of the name not being obtuse and stupid
Usually you name things in a way that reflects their functionality
 
6:41 PM
@rightfold nah, it clear the x = 3 at the end :P
 
What the hell does 'go' tell someone who is reading the code?
 
user1804599
Everybody who knows Go knows what go statements do.
 
@Prismatic How would you react if someone yelled "go!!!!!!!!!!!" at you?
 
go fuck(your.self);
@nabijaczleweli I would spawn a new thread. No way I'm gonna run myself!
 
user1804599
So it tells people who read the code (with the totally safe assumption that they know Go, otherwise it's their own fault for reading code written in a language they don't understand) that it spawns a thread.
 
6:44 PM
What does public static void main(String[] args) tell people unfamiliar with Java? :)
 
@fredoverflow that they shouldn't learn Java :P
 
@fredoverflow To not bother learning it?
 
@rightfold Its just a poorly chosen keyword. You're not always going to have someone completely familiar with go looking through some code. Even throws off beginners that might be learning it but are more familiar with C (oh look, 'go' has something like 'goto')
 
user1804599
Making assumptions like that is stupid and if you do it you're stupid.
 
So is naming your keywords in an unintuitive way that doesn't reflect what it does.
 
6:47 PM
@rightfold wait what?
 
@MartinJames keep up :P
 
you could replace the keyword 'class' with 'clusterfuck' in c++, and everyone who knew c++ would know what a clusterfuck is but that doesn't make it logical
 
Xeo
aw yis
time for home-made yaki udon
 
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> A "go" statement starts the execution of a function call as an independent concurrent thread of control, or goroutine, within the same address space.
 
@Xeo whatsthat?
 
6:47 PM
@Prismatic it's simple
 
Xeo
Uncle Google knows
 
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@Prismatic mnemonic: "go do this I don't care"
 
@rightfold can you make globals in your language?
 
14 mins ago, by rightfold
fuck globals
 
@nabijaczleweli Can you make identifiers?
Does your language have closures?
 
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6:50 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum dunno yet
 
user1804599
you can make global functions sure
 
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and global immutable variables
 
user1804599
don't know about global mutables
 
user1804599
mutable variables are prefixed with a sigil so you always know when you're working with one directly
 
@rightfold make it $ :D
 
user1804599
Yes, it is $.
 
If you end up with PHP, it'd be hilarious
 
Xeo
@AlexM. You should try making udon yourself. It's easy and delicious
 
Lol, @rightfold sits down to write a programming language for 3 weeks, ends up with PHP 4
 
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6:52 PM
I'm currently making the parser sufficiently advanced to parse this program:
 
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import mill.log

sub main(console: log.Logger): () {
    log.info(console, "Hello, world!")
}
 
why are there no semi colons
 
@Xeo easier to order :<
 
Xeo
@rightfold You're confusing me. That Neil Basu guy also had that avatar, IIRC?
 
and not very expensive
same price as pizza
 
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6:53 PM
@Prismatic they're not needed
 
user1804599
it's unambiguous without them
 
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@Xeo no idea who that is.
 
also what does the second set of parenthesis do in the 'sub main' line
@rightfold blasphemy
 
user1804599
return type
 
user1804599
() is the empty tuple type aka unit
 
Xeo
6:54 PM
@rightfold this guy
 
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@Xeo his is transparent, so it's not the same avatar.
 
Xeo
yeye
 
user1804599
UNAMBIGUOUS
 
@rightfold that unicode poo?
 
user1804599
XD
 
6:56 PM
I totes design good language
 
user1804599
Not in scope: ‘foldl'’ wat
 
user1804599
oh I have to import it :v
 
user1804599
yay parser works :D
 
fold applies function to collection and aggregates the result, right?
 
user1804599
no
 
user1804599
7:04 PM
thats fold + map
 
user1804599
fold just aggregates
 
user1804599
C# calls it Aggregate.
 
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SQL calls it "aggregate functions".
 
@rightfold well there's a fucking smart language >:|
 
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7:05 PM
"fold", "reduce" and "aggregate" are three words that mean the same thing.
 
who the fuck calls it fold? fucking fold something, and it's maybe smaller
do it neatly, it's half the size
but 'aggregate', now there's a fucking word that bloody makes seense
you're taking a crap turn or shite, and bloody aggregating it mate!
 
I stole my own mail.
 
map is fairly stupid, but at least you can follow some sort of shitty logic to understand what that words means, ignoring that it's already a nice fuckign data type
@R.MartinhoFernandes hey hey hey, I'm bloody ranting here!
(I'm done)
 
I have my bank card now :D
 
Don't forget to report it stolen though :P
 
user1804599
7:11 PM
but do you have a passport?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nice.
 
Which is great because I have 50 cents left and the banks are closed.
But I can into ATMs now! Bow before my might!
 
@rightfold rightreduce. rightaggregate
 
Also, oops, I'm schwarzfahrende.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes in NL the fine for that was lower than a ticket to Amsterdam.
 
user1804599
7:15 PM
They fixed it today.
 
user1804599
Now it's twice as high.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Black-propelled"? o_0
 
Meh, no one's gonna check a car with just me in it, right.
@thecoshman travelling without a ticket.
 
user1804599
walk to a conductor and tell them you want to buy a ticket
 
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inb4 gutmensch punished anyway
 
7:16 PM
Ok. I'm off the train.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you, no, any other sod, hell yes.
 
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Thief!
 
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@rightfold is that him pissed off?
 
user1804599
7:19 PM
yes
 
Shit. Got the wrong PIN
 
oh you haven't lost the card already have you?
time for some strawberries
 
@thecoshman hot tubs for contraception is a thing
 
7:39 PM
@Prismatic As in, it's a thing that people think works, but actually doesn't.
 
:| I think it's time for an indulgent pudding
 
isn't he :D
 
7:55 PM
oh hey coshmasn
 
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> New Orleans based blackened thrash metal band "goatwhore" has a track titled "schadenfreude" in their 2014 album "contricting rage of the merciless".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The plot thickens.
 
@Puppy ¬_¬ what's wrong with you? you seem cheery?
 
nothing
 
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inf
8:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You would rather say "Ich fahre schwarz"
 
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> Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger is an Austrian-born American actor, model, producer, director, activist, businessman, investor, writer, philanthropist, former professional bodybuilder, and politician.
 
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übermensch
 
user1804599
8:45 PM
@Xeo :D
 
Xeo
1 message moved to bin
and of course some fucker flagged it, for the whole chat to see
PSA: Link to a screamer site and I'll kick you. You're welcome.
8
 
Sorry. :(
 
user1804599
how about goatse or lemon party?
 
user1804599
or 2 girls 1 cup
 
wait... that was ago... oooh it's agar.io really :P
 
8:49 PM
@thecoshman I'm on it right now
I need a new nickname
Things like "expletive1expletive2expletive3common_word1expletive4" won't count
 
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ERLANG
 
9:10 PM
tis fierce quite in here tonight
 
Well. I vehemently disagree. It was exceedingly obvious he meant "I want paths without quotes" not "I want to remove the quotes from the paths" (he even suggested ways in which it should be possible). If you go to a bar and order a apple pie without whipped cream, you do not order a pie with instructions on how to remove the cream with a separate spoon. And then there are the other issues which I pointed out. It's really no argument. You just forgot the big picture here and inadvertently ended up giving bad advice. It happens to me too. — sehe 17 secs ago
An "but I answered the question" butthurt
 
Nice avatar
@rightfold You gotta admit. The analogy works
 
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TL;DR but I'll read it now.
 
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XD
 
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9:18 PM
yummy pie
 
hehe. I am starting to see better just how big the attention span difficulties are with some of the loungers
 
user1804599
I should watch LiveLeak more.
 
user1804599
been ages since I visited it
 
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@sehe Well, what can I say? You're a grumpy old man.
 
Ahaha. That's a nice distraction
 
user1804599
9:20 PM
OMG
 
@rightfold 2muchgore
 
user1804599
> distraction
> traction
> tractor beam
 
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I have pretty low attention span myself these days
 
user1804599
I like my new avatar.
 
user1804599
9:22 PM
It's black and white just like me.
 
do any of you think that the java api copyright hoohah will have any serious implications? or will it all get killed before that
 
what specifically
 
user1804599
You're as vague as a 1p porn video.
 
@Prismatic I don't think that java
 
user1804599
Please be less of a moron.
 
9:27 PM
just google "hooha"
 
user1804599
> Software description: hoo-ha is Java based keyword driven automated testing framework.
 
user1804599
that's hoo-ha, not hoohah
 
Did you guys see this? spendyourleapsecondhere.com
 
3D RTSing is so much work
you need to rotate the camera all the time ugh
 
9:28 PM
> Nowhere did I say it was a good idea.
Not sure how to take this?
 
no idea why firefly keeps on making 3D strongholds :<
they're harder to play and harder to program especially
since they can't even get pathfinding right
 
@wilx Opened, clicked, flash covered entire view (flashblock), crashed firefox
0/10
 
@wilx Extremely tempted to flag 2/10 (but I won't)
 
You are no fun, guys.
 
9:38 PM
@wilx Uh, it's from Last Week Tonight.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes.
 
so how many of you are gonna stream yourself developing software to make some $$
 
@nabijaczleweli ha. This time opera worked flawless. It even looked beautiful
Of course, I wasted all the leap seconds I was going to have for the rest of my life with all the bs intro
@Prismatic About 0.1758 of us I reckon
 
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@Prismatic @CatPlusPlus must like that.
 
its like twitch for software dev!
though honestly i dont know why people wouldnt just use twitch in the first place isntead of this alternative
 
9:44 PM
wow. C/C++/C#
 
lol
well I guess its better than C/C++/C#/Obj-C lol
 
user1804599
D/Dick/Penis
 
Really though, the site is pretty shitty. No real consideration of current streaming alternatives and why anyone would use their service instead.
 
Should be Java/Android/C#
 
What would you suggest? It's not their duty to compare sites for you
 
9:47 PM
@sehe Why not? If I start a site that hosts videos like Youtube, I'd think the most obvious question people who come across it would ask is "why should I use this over all of the things that exist like it"
 
@sehe lol
 
Especially if those other things are established players
 
@Prismatic Yeah. Well. Either that or they make something compelling enough. Duh
Apparently they did something right, there, because they have streams
 
@sehe That happens when you're a hipster start up backed by YC
 
[sehe-so-imperative]
how do you do a tag?
 
user1804599
9:56 PM
ooo maybe grexit
 
user1804599
cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
 
@sehe Java/Android.
 
@Prismatic are you jealous?
 
@sehe no. why would you think that
 
Because everything you said tried to denigrate the sound and make it seem they didn't "earn" the community trust they have
9 mins ago, by Prismatic
@sehe That happens when you're a hipster start up backed by YC
So. They bought fame.
 

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