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1:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes uh oh
 
@AndyProwl nagh, she does and she's mine ;)
 
@wilx a few months. No idea. No.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl The perfect woman opposes marriage.
 
@Nisk :D yeah, that's like not existing
 
@wilx yeah IIRC
 
1:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Now that does sound way too fast.
 
there's the language gap too
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit marriage is not complicated unless you are still breathing
 
how can he be sure what's she's really saying
 
Morning folks
 
Japanese is kinda ambiguous right
 
1:01 PM
@wilx I had an expensive year a few years ago. I bought a house so I'm paying a deposit back to someone, and I spent £x on fittings for it, plus I spent a bunch of money on a holiday that year. And various bills suddenly went up, and my pay did not go up (and no bonuses) so now I'm not taking substantially more than I'm spending.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Did he impregnate her or such that he feels he has to marry her?
 
user1804599
Also since I updated Gentoo I have a Big Black Cursor.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@Nisk As for whether it's "a well paying job" honestly I have no idea
 
@wilx Well I hope not
would be pretty embarrasing
 
1:02 PM
@chmod711telkitty yeah
Are you married, Kitty?
 
he doesn't seem angry though
 
@AndyProwl But why? If she's perfect, why bother?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think you kinda do vOv
 
Do I look like I am married?
 
by the UK standards...
 
1:02 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why bother doing what?
 
@chmod711telkitty Do you want me to answer that?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit House seems too hard to take care of. I would buy a place in some modern block of flats or such.
 
@AndyProwl Getting married.
 
WRT perfect girls
 
1:03 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Unfortunately I think I might do, in my field in my country. Which is a bit of a shitter. Because in absolute terms it's certainly not that great.
 
I want to go on a trip touching Zurich, Voitsberg, Munich (for the Octoberfest), Amsterdam, Oslo and Stockholm.
 
@wilx this is how they roll on the island
 
Isn't that like what it's all about? marriage?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why "unfortunately"
 
sorry, ninja edit
 
1:03 PM
@Jefffrey what about GdaƄsk :S
 
@wilx It's not that hard and it's nice having space/peace
 
@AndyProwl Just have a life together and call it a day life.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit uh what's "absolute terms"
 
@AndyProwl I'd like one imperfect one with whom we can tolerate each other. :)
 
can we stop talking about relationships, this is a such un-lounge like topic
 
1:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ninja edit saved you
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why not? Perfection for me does not mean that she'd not need me to express commitment to her
 
@BartekBanachewicz I would be with other people bby
 
@wilx That's very close to perfection
 
you can see other people that's fine by me
 
1:04 PM
Can't have a room for us two alone
 
@BartekBanachewicz as in like I don't think it's that well paid in terms of the actual number. compared to living costs, etc. Compared to substantially different jobs. But that relative to my title, industry, location it seems like I couldn't do that much better
 
@chmod711telkitty No. So, how is your love life? :)
 
it's perfect ... ly absent
 
@AndyProwl Can't you just tell her so?
 
@wilx Wasn't it "How is your sex life?"
 
1:05 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Verba volant and stuff
 
you're doing much much better than vast majority of the (local) population. Isn't that all about that?
 
@jefffrey not in this lounge
 
one of my favourite strips
 
I can do better, need to finish my degree though...most companies won't even interview me, regardless of skill.
 
1:05 PM
@AndyProwl scripta volant as well, though.
 
@Jefffrey It was there for 5 seconds but then I realised j*lf was lurking in the bushes.
 
haha
j*lf
love it
 
@wilx And?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes A bit less. Also, I'd be fine with her needing me to marry her in order to feel loved/safe, as long as she's perfect in terms of what I find important.
 
@Jefffrey And I self censored. :(
 
1:06 PM
Why
 
user1804599
Until marrying anyone and anything (that includes polygamy) is allowed and marriage has lawful benefits whatsoever I consider it a joke and laugh at anyone who thinks it's a good idea.
 
Jalf is against sex too now?
 
The point is that such a woman either doesn't exist or is well out of my league
 
Andy is a real latin lover xoxo
Did someone do the Interrail thingy?
 
@rightfold doesn't mean everyone who gets married does it for the benefits.
Pretty negative view
 
1:08 PM
how did you get here
 
user1804599
I never said they did.
 
why did you get here when we were talking about love
are you in search of love yourself
 
@Jefffrey If it's a thing that people do, jalf is against it
 
@Jefffrey No honey, I'm not. Wanna go for a coffee next Saturday?
 
@AndyProwl Like... on a date?
 
1:08 PM
Like... a date?
Owww
 
@rightfold In my view it is an act of commitment. Funny that for an atheist like me it meant more than for my ex-wife as a supposedly devout Catholic.
 
That's official
 
I'd bro-date Jefff
he seems cool
 
> bro-date
dafuq are you into man
 
1:09 PM
:,)
 
all that #nohomo stuff
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's a synonym for "I'd date Jefff, nohomo"
 
#yolo
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I didn't ask you, cutie...
 
1:10 PM
ouch
 
Are you implying that LRiO is cutier than me?
 
Ell
the NSA is terrible
 
@Jefffrey It does look so, but... you're beautiful inside or something
 
cuterderder
 
Ell
I might get a laptop with purely free software on it
 
1:10 PM
@AndyProwl :ccccc
 
@Jefffrey Do you not remember the shit-storm the last time I commented about some woman's attire who was not even in this chat room? Can you imagine the diarhea hurricane that would have ensued if I asked about @chmod711telkitty's sex life? I can. (j/k)
 
@Ell that's not how it works.
 
Ell
@Nisk how what works?
 
@wilx This has gone way out of hands
 
GameBoy Colour, here I come.
 
1:11 PM
@Jefffrey True.
 
Xeo
Reversed Hand With Middle Finger Extended http://blog.emojipedia.org/windows-10-emoji-changelog
 
@Ell getting a laptop with just free software wont keep your info safe from NSA
 
Xeo
lol
 
is jamey cicada
 
Ell
1:12 PM
@Nisk it'll help though
 
@wilx It's that commitment thing that I don't get. If I put an agreement down on paper, it feels like business :/
 
Who knows
 
my package is supposed to be at my place between 4 and 8 pm
i am supposed to get heads up one hour before
 
yesterday, by R. Martinho Fernandes
U+1F595 ʀᎇᎠᎇʀsᮇᮅ ʜᎀɎᎅ ᎥÉȘ᎛ʜ ᎍÉȘᎅᎅʟᎇ ғÉȘÉŽÉąáŽ‡Ê€ ᮇxᮛᮇɮᮅᮇᮅ
 
which means I'll need to pack up immediately and drive back home
 
1:13 PM
inb4 package arrives @ 11 pm
 
That's racist
 
@Jefffrey zombies?
 
They ran out of useful code points?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes wow
 
1:13 PM
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, we had a proper Catholic marriage ceremony full with the mess and stuff. The paper is just something the state requires. I thought I was doing it to show my commitment to her and everybody else. In the end, it apparently did not mean that much for her.
 
@Jefffrey IDGI
 
#stopzombieracism
2
 
@AlexM. More like non-white so that nobody feels offended.
 
@JameyD they already fucked it once (it was a part of a bigger shipment)
 
1:14 PM
If you think about it, zombies are the most hated race of all time.
 
I got an official apology and was ensured it will be today on time
 
@BartekBanachewicz They changed to a neutral skin colour.
 
@Bartek Official? damn.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what
 
1:14 PM
this is moronic
 
@Ell probably, but not really
 
this is beyond moronic
 
combinatorial explosion
 
Why the fuck is it moronic?
 
Ell
1:15 PM
@Nisk why not really?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Just to piss you off <3
 
@JameyD well the guy called me and told me how they're deeply sorry and stuff
 
@MarcoA. Of what? There's one neutral skin colour. Period.
 
Ell
If I know all of the software running, I can help to decrease the chance of a backdoor
 
let's also take into account genders
and religions
and whatever
that is increased complexity for no point whatsoever
 
1:15 PM
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and it's certainly not fucking gray
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why not?
 
make it darker brownish dunno
 
@MarcoA. There are no religious indicators in there.
 
1:16 PM
@Ell because they get your data in between your machine and services or from services that you use. So it doesn't really matter if you log into facebook on a Linux box.
 
@MarcoA. This argument is moronic.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes seriously how many people do you meet on a daily basis that have cold gray faces
 
there might be, the principle is the same.. these are stupid issues
 
@BartekBanachewicz They could have been blue, but...
 
@Xeo oh for goodness's sake
 
1:16 PM
or green?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Exactly!
 
Ell
@Nisk well, I won't use said machine to use facebook, gmail etc.
 
@orlp That was brought up literally a few messages above.
 
I think it doesn't matter much if gray is non-realistic, it's an icon
 
1:16 PM
No but seriously, gingers do not have souls.
 
Xeo
That's kinda the point, I think.
 
pick a middle of that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how many times have you written your code without unicode support? If you ever have, you're a racist against japanese people
 
not the zombie gray for the love of god
 
@AndyProwl That's only because you're a privileged white man
 
1:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know, so that's why I linked this
 
Ell
I'll just be on freenode through tor on ##terrorist
 
Xeo
@MarcoA. No, fuck you.
 
Yeah, that grey is awful
 
@Xeo Woah calm down man
 
@JameyD Yeah. Nobody has a soul.
 
1:17 PM
Oh look another Unity crash
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What I'm saying is that I'm fine with gray
 
@MarcoA. WTF you on about?
 
Ell
@MarcoA. but... I use shift-jis
 
@BartekBanachewicz No one. That's why it is neutral. Impressive, isn't it?
 
@wilx That's racist.
 
1:17 PM
@AndyProwl Privileged grey man
@JameyD And sexist
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why not green then
or purple
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz why not grey then
 
hi all
 
This discussion is way more lounge-like
 
@JameyD You need to learn what words mean before you use them.
 
1:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes In making it "neutral" they made it represent literally nobody.
5
 
@Jefffrey I can't follow it :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz Green looks like sickness
 
too fast, too furious
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's also a good point in this case
 
1:18 PM
what does it mean that function pointer don't dereference the same as pointers.
 
@AlexM. That simply means you have a brain.
 
@MarcoA. Yes, they should also come up with a gender-neutral graphic and then use that single one. How the fuck is ending up with a single one anywhere near combinatorial explosion?
 
> don't
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes A single one? They don't have "a single one". Did you read the rest of the page? There are fucking loads of them.
 
: )
 
@AndyProwl gray looks like zombies
 
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes re-read
 
@Jefffrey: what?
 
1:19 PM
e.g. Information Desk Person With Cream White Skin Tone
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh. Nevermind.
 
e.g. Face With OK Gesture With Black Skin Tone
 
I didn't notice Jefffrey took the picture from that page.
 
plus six varieties of putting your middle finger up
 
1:20 PM
so yeah
 
@BartekBanachewicz And that green doesn't?
 
@chmod711telkitty nice Oreo ear piercing
 
In that case, forget what I said.
 
> A choice of skin tones is available for most human-looking emojis, which fall into the previously discussed range of five skin tone modifiers.
 
1:20 PM
@BartekBanachewicz that actually represents me quite well atm
 
I'm with you there.
I ranted about this months ago when it was first proposed.
 
I need to do work shit
 
This one is the worst one really.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok, no worries
 
but I have zero desire of doing so
 
1:20 PM
I am hungry
 
A middle finger can really just be entirely black.
 
chocolate ...
 
@Jefffrey that's racist
 
I'm really sad the modifiers passed.
 
oh no not the gray color on some stupid unicode characters i will never use
 
user1804599
1:21 PM
..|..
 
nooooooooooo
how will i live with tihs
 
Oh hai cat
 
@CatPlusPlus Nah, that's not the point. They added "skin color modifiers".
 
@chmod711telkitty So am I. I actually have a chicken drumstick to eat today. Triggered?
 
So what
 
1:21 PM
How is your sex life?
 
Don't use that here
 
@Jefffrey I'm asexual, you racist
ok I'll stop now
 
I don't believe in asexuality
 
@CatPlusPlus It's pointless and has almost zero decent use cases.
 
@MarcoA. Go, see an endocrinologist.
 
1:22 PM
So what
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes make this one gray too
 
Jan 10 at 18:22, by Jefffrey
maybe I'm asexual
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why not?
 
why not black
what's wrong with black
is it .... RACIST
oh holy fucking shit the font we use is black
3
 
@jefffrey Because white people aren't white either.
 
1:24 PM
:23127528 Or dark-blue-dark-violet-people.
 
everyone stop writing
 
Shut up Bartek.
 
@JameyD right
The world is not black and white, it's brown and pink.
 
Damn pigs.
 
@Ell then what's the point? They will get your data from when you do. What do you intend to use your free-software laptop for anyway?
 
right, what I'm showing is "extreme hypotheticals"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not sure it can be used here. He was sarcastic there.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What for?
 
user1804599
I've never seen people who are that black.
 
user1804599
In fact black people tend to be brown not black.
 
1:27 PM
to showcase the problem doesn't lie in faces having light-brown skin tone on icons
 
And white people tend to be pink not white.
 
it's in the people who go ballistic over that
 
Is "pinky promise" racist?
 
I'm light brown-ish
I think
 
1:28 PM
"See, you can go crazy over this and bring it to this extreme hypothetical. Therefore, the problem is the people that go ballistic."
 
I've seen people whiter than me so I'm not full white
 
Oh look now Unity and VS froze
 
I don't have a problem with that icon
it's prefectly fine
I could use it
 
1:29 PM
@BartekBanachewicz You mean you are presenting a different hypothetical problem, based on the assumption that people will go to those extreme hypotheticals.
 
the fact the person has a skin darker than mine in this icon couldn't fucking matter less
 
im so angry about FONTS
 
I killed the vending machine
 
@BartekBanachewicz I
 
I asked for my change and it shut down
RIP
 
1:29 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes if everyone were like me the problem wouldn't exist
</not-so-serious>
 
@AlexM. it's a working model of US politics
5
 
Nov 5 '14 at 14:00, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Even when you use it yourself, it's "smile; btw, I'm black" vs just "smile", which WTF, why is the lack of ability to do the former a problem.
 
@BartekBanachewicz cos America. Americans can't handle this idea that we are all different.
and I'm not trolling
that country is fucking obsessed with race, even (especially?) while they're claiming not to be
 
well the country always had issues with racism
 
Boretak is actually making a lot of sense for once
 
1:31 PM
lol
 
it's not that long since lynching was something common
 
@AlexM. they weren't the only country to use African slaves
 
I never claimed it was
 
@Nisk this made me giggle
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's why they pushed for providing the option to make emojis depict any kind of race.
> People all over the world want to have emoji that reflect more human diversity, especially for skin tone.
 
1:32 PM
read about this, when I first read it I was like "how the hell did things like this happen"
The Tulsa race riot was a large-scale, racially motivated conflict on May 31 and June 1, 1921, in which a group of white people attacked the black community of Tulsa, Oklahoma. It resulted in the Greenwood District, also known as 'the Black Wall Street' and the wealthiest black community in the United States, being burned to the ground. During the 16 hours of the assault, more than 800 people were admitted to local white hospitals with injuries (the two black hospitals were burned down), and police arrested and detained more than 6,000 black Greenwood residents at three local facilities. An estimated...
it's crazy how far people went
 
What if one of us is really an advanced chat bot?
 
This is the motivation stated in the UTR.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay so at the same time there is a set of "grey people" why exactly?
For any given font they should choose the skin colour by coin toss then just move the fuck on
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, that's just how Microsoft chose the depict the generic ones that have no modifier.
 
All this nonsense does is draw attention to race as if it somehow matters what colour someone's skin is
 
1:33 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's funny, how they like to looks all respectful to different races...but bomb foreigners for profit
 
It literally says "yes, skin colour matters"
 
That's Unicode recommendation
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right, and it's stupid. I thought that's what we were talking about all along
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit A lot more because of the modifiers than because of the gray default.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes
I'm not convinced we're disagreeing about anything here
 
1:34 PM
The modifiers say that all the time. The change to gray is only until the media interest dies out.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't claim otherwise
Hmm are you interpreting the conversation as an attack on the Unicode consortium specifically? Because it's not
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And then someone makes statistical studies and finds out that white icon is used more by 0.001%.
And that was probably because the guy used rand() % n.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, I am just dismissing the opposition to the change to gray.
 
And was ensues.
 
1:36 PM
the whole idea of emojis is retarded anyway
people should use words
 
I love this template shit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit +
 
it's so difficult and confusing it's exciting
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're arguing against the opposition. I don't think you're quite in a position to dismiss it.
 
@Jefffrey See, there you go again, doing the same as Bartek. Shifting the focus to some extreme hypothetical.
 
1:37 PM
Hohoho EU is moving in to try to get rid of copyright georestrictions
 
I don't remember having so much fun ever before with programming
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm pretty sure he was making a funny joke about rand(). I don't think he seriously meant that war would ensue.
 
I really don't see why people get their panties in such a bunch over it. So people wanted smilies in a variety of skin colors and it seems pointless? So f'ing what? At worst it's just that, pointless. And harmless. I can't see the point of it, but hey, if others feel it's the right thing to do then hey, why not? It's not like it's the only bit of Unicode that seems pointless to me
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey no, I'm not in this discussion. I'm just joking. I swear.
 
Man this True Survivor song is still great
 
1:37 PM
hey im angry about fonts
 
@AlexM. That's phase 1. Phase 2 usually involves SFINAE headaches and error message deciphering. Phase 3 involves crying in a corner or something
 
Don't bring me in, please.
 
i dont make fonts but still
 
@AndyProwl yeah I'm reading about SFINAE because std::enable_if
I want to see if it's a possible solution to what I have here
 
Xeo
what's the problem you're trying to solve?
 
1:39 PM
@jalf Because it is rather contrary to its state purpose, I find.
 
@Xeo Racism.
open.spotify.com/track/58s6EuEYJdlb0kO7awm3Vp <-- in case you haven't heard it yet
 
Xeo
I don't think SFINAE helps with that. Because failing to be able to substitute one skin colour for another is a failure. :P
 
Most things in that chapter of the UTR are quite disheartening.
 
cause we're totally going to solve racism on SO chat. Send news to the newspaper
 
The text seems to imply that "diversity" means "various skin colours", for example.
 
1:40 PM
@Xeo it's not exactly a particular problem, I'm considering the options I have to finish up the JNI wrapper
 
user3010322
Out of curiosity,
 
Xeo
Are you using my version yet?
 
@ThePhD no
 
atm I'm focusing on the conversion between JNI types and cpp types
 
user3010322
what are the prescribed names for each of the "diversity" icons?
 
1:41 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure, but you and I aren't in the target demographic for the problem they're trying to solve. We're not the ones harmed by a lack of diversity. Personally I agree with your assessment, but are you and I really the right people to judge that? Perhaps the people who feel they're not being represented have a different perspective that we lack
 
> So why is Black Widow, like Guardians of the Galaxy’s Gamora before her, being shortchanged in the world of Marvel swag? According to a post written by a former Marvel employee on the feminist-leaning website The Mary Sue, it has to do with good ol’ fashioned sexism.
Discuss.
 
Ell
@Nisk I mean, I won't use external services
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no.
 
@Xeo I'm past that now :D
 
Ell
I could run my own still
 
user3010322
1:41 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Where's the original article?
 
> the takeaway is that, unlike the actual demos, the desired demographics had no females in it whatsoever. I asked my supervisor why that was. Ever the pragmatist, he said, ‘That’s not why Disney bought us. They already have the girls’ market on lockdown.
 
@jalf We don't need to represent any particular people. Fixing the fonts to not represent any particular people would be enough.
 
> The ex-employee continued, “Disney bought Marvel and Lucasfilm because they wanted to access the male market. To achieve this goal, they allocate less to Marvel’s female demo, and even less to a unisex one. They won’t be interested in changing how they work until consumers understand what’s going on.
Apparently that constitutes "sexism".
No mention whatsoever of sexism in the mentioned girls' market.
THIS is the problem.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes This.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Says you and I. The people who get plenty of representation in all other aspects of our lives. Perhaps if we didn't, we'd see this differently
 
1:42 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit a far less pressing one, for the world, currently.
 
ahahha the big quote they used is:
> She complains of being sterilized by her captors. She turns to Banner and somberly says, “You’re not the only monster on the team.”
 
@Xeo IIRC you were annoyed by the arrays
 
Let the rage flow through you
 
@jalf Is that an ad hominem argument?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... no?
 
Xeo
1:43 PM
@AlexM. Kinda.
 
they just keep annoying me on and on because it's just that particular case
I mean
take this
 
@jalf What if a person from an underrepresented set posited the same argument as I did?
 
ReturnType Call(Params...)
{
	auto javaResult = JNICall(ConvertToJava(params)...);
	return ConvertToCpp(javaResult);
}
arrays there are the only things that require recursive conversion
 
Xeo
@AlexM. Not much you can do about that.
 
1:44 PM
Chinese people are the ones taking this whole situation with the maturity it deserves.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Then their opinion would be more relevant. But they'd still only be one person. Then it'd be relevant to know how common this point of view is among others of that minority
 
They don't have the yellowish skin modifier, and I don't see them here complaining.
 
@Xeo yeah I'm thinking about providing my own array type on top of JNI's to do it :\
but it's meh because it's not needed for everything else
 
@Jefffrey The modifiers are based on some dermatology standard. They're meant to cover it all.
 
I'm basically just saying "I don't know. It seems like a really stupid move to me, and perhaps it is. But I don't have the background to make an authoritative judgment of it"
 
user3010322
1:45 PM
@jalf That doesn't work, because as a person part of the underrepresented group and harmed both presently and in the past by these negative stereotypes, that argument is still entirely bullshit because what it does is "Diversity for Diversity's sake". Nothing about having an icon in my skin color is suddenly going to make me feel more comfortable using my computer.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes An ad hominem argument? From jalf? It can't be!
 
user3010322
If anything, that's the responsibility of the person marketing the software to be able to apply their own colors (the superior solution) to the icon is better than demanding that we give out a set of them to start with.
 
@ThePhD That's patently not true.
 
user3010322
The current approach also doesn't scale: what happens when there's red people?
 
user3010322
Literally, bright red people.
 
1:46 PM
@ThePhD said the white guy for whom diversity is a purely abstract discussion about other people ;)
 
@ThePhD There aren't.
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit But what happens if they do show up?
 
We have racial categorisations for a reason.
 
@ThePhD That's an absurd argument
 
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Jefffrey The modifiers are based on some dermatology standard. They're meant to cover it all.
@ThePhD We add a new modifier. Pffft.
 
1:46 PM
I've been looking at yourlogicalfallacyis.com someone posted, finally have a name for this thing people do in debates/arguments that I really fucking hate "tu quoque". Thanks to whoever posted it.
 
@ThePhD What happens if the human race spontaneously evolves three extra eyes? Then, my god, those emojis are going to be so fucking racist. WHATEVER SHALL WE DO
^ your argument
 
@ThePhD then we add a red hue to the set o color modifiers? I believe that "adding code points to Unicode" is a solved problem. We know how to do it :p
 
The will add more than 7000 characters in this new version.
 
@Nisk also known as "you cock"
 
@Nisk Just don't mis-invoke it like most people do
 
1:47 PM
And don't pronounce it like English people.
It grinds my ears.
 
user3010322
I don't know how to pronounce it.
 
user3010322
I should look it up sometime...
 
too kwoah kwey
nothing wrong with that
 
Yeah, don't do that :(
 
1:48 PM
i get that the middle syllable is "wrong"
language evolves bub
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
@ThePhD Just look away and mumble something and move on quickly . That usually works
 
laffo LRIO saying "language evolves"
 
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
It grinds my ears.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes actually most English people probably don't pronounce it at all because this country is full of chavs who can't read, so you're safe
 
1:49 PM
lol
 
It's "too kwo kwe"
 
@BartekBanachewicz that made me giggle
 
@Nisk Note that simply pointing out someone's earlier misdemeanors is not automatically "tu quoque". It only applies if they're trying to use that as part of their argument.
 
Ell
can't we just have emojis and hue modifier characters?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the irony, it burnssss
 
1:50 PM
So it is often misused in the same way that "ad hominem" is misused (that is, simply pointing out that someone is being a total retard is not automatically "ad hominem")
 
"too kwo kweh feely mee"
 
@Jefffrey Needs h so prevent pronouncing the final vowel as "ee".
 
Ell
levitating businessman + asian modifier = levitating asian businessman
of course "asian" isn't fine grained enough
 
The levitating dude in a suit was added for interoperability, btw.
It's hilarious.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes interoperability with what? :D
 
1:50 PM
Interoperability with low-grav environments?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How would that work again?
 
@jalf Webdings.
@Jefffrey "kweh"
 
Oh I see
 
user3010322
I was supposed to do something really important
 
user3010322
But I forgot.
 
1:52 PM
@ThePhD You were supposed to remember what you were doing.
 
user3010322
Well, obviously!
 
Which only changes the question to why the fuck is there a levitating dude in a suit in Webdings?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was just about to ask that :D
 
> Our team of iconographers traveled the world asking site designers and users which symbols, icons and pictograms they thought would be most appropriate for a font of this kind. From thousands of suggestions we had to pick just two hundred and thirty for inclusion in Webdings.
Semi-official response.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hmm...I wonder now. What really grinds my gears is when in a debate you make a point, someone makes a counter point you address it, but they just move on to making other points, without acknowledging the counter-argument you make. It's as if they try to fire off as many bullshit remarks as they can and hope something sticks. Then feel like they won, because they never really engaged in the discussion to begin with.
 
user3010322
1:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Now they have space for all the Webdings they could ever want.
 
It was meant to be an exclamation mark resembling this logo:
It's hilarity all the way down, really.
 
An UTF8 character can go up to 32 bits, right?
 
An "UTF8 character" isn't a thing :P
 
Unicode character?
 
The answer you are looking for is "yes", though.
 
user3010322
1:55 PM
8 bits per code unit, several of those combined makes a unicode codepoint, maximum of 4 allowed by the spec, but UTF8 can have up to 6 codeunits based solely on the room of its encoding.
 
Was "encoding" the right word?
Encoding of a code point or something
 
"codepoint" probably
 
codepoints are encoding-agnostic
UTF8 is one way of encoding code points
 
Ell
I thought UTF8 is one way of encoding unicode characters
where the code point is 8 bits
 
look at us, being all Unicode literate :D
 
1:56 PM
that's the code unit AFAIK
 
Ell
or am I thinking code units...
 
I assume you were asking if UTF8 could use up to four bytes for each code point.
 
user3010322
That's code units
 
this might be strange, but I don't get gamblers fallacy
 
Those four bytes are a code unit sequence.
 
1:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, that was it.
 
Code unit sequence. Thanks Robot
 
@Nisk I believe that's called "being an arsehole" :)
 
Well-formed code unit sequence if it's important to distinguish the erroneous sequences.
 
TIL VS can't properly hint overloads if it fails to find a type
it goes up to that type, then types it as int and stops
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So they are four code units?
 
1:57 PM
Yes.
 
so foo (string, float, unknown type, something something) becomes foo (string, float, int)
just because
 
user1804599
Can a code unit sequence encode more than one code point?
 
user1804599
Or is that a code unit sequence sequence?
 
user3010322
I need something that tests if something is a non-derivable primitve type in C++...
 
user3010322
There's gotta be a "is_builtin" or something trait.
 
Xeo
1:58 PM
std::is_fundamental
 
user1804599
I use std::is_fundamental in MilL!
 
actually nevermind, think I figured it out.
 
user3010322
How do you know this stuff? :c
 
Xeo
because I needed it before vOv
 

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