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11:00 AM
guys
I took my day off
 
pfff, I could build a plane with half of that
 
Not sure if it changes much.
 
@Mr.kbok that depends if you're interested in buying a scrapped jet engine and turning it into the most dangerous plane known to man
 
Wow it is only today I was notified of Mr. kbok's public service announcement
I feel enlightened
 
if that's not the stylish way to end your life then I don't know what is
 
11:01 AM
Mr. kbok, Paris, France
4.8k 16 48
 
@orlp Thanks for reading it.
 
I mean, the content was highly uninteresting.
 
omg php hide it hide it
 
The duck however
The duck was glorious
 
You're welcome
 
11:03 AM
Courtesy of @CatPlusPlus
 
I don't have space in UI for menu confirm/cancel bindings
What do
 
Who has the best SO profile in Lounge
 
@Mr.kbok Tomorrow too?
 
@CatPlusPlus only make cancel
 
@BartekBanachewicz I was talking about the day off
@LucDanton No. I'm stupid like that
 
11:04 AM
@sehe The dissonance from the overpluralising of the mass noun and the underpluralising of the verb form grates me.
 
@CatPlusPlus what does your UI look like right now
 
@Mr.kbok well why did you take it in the first place
 
I just really really didn't feel like going to work
 
Ell
11:04 AM
@StackedCrooked am I correct in saying that you implemented a ip/tcp stack?
 
oh well that happens
 
see building flying things is better
 
@NeelBasu it's not "writing pseudocodes". Unless you mean like "00123", "3389123", "787878"
 
you know what's shitty
 
your pants
 
11:05 AM
Code is a mass noun. You don't write two codes. You just write code.
 
the fact that in order to do that for real you have to do sooo much preparation
 
Does the Oxygen Content of Tolkien's Middle Earth Allow for Greater Endurance? http://physics.le.ac.uk/jist/index.php/JIST/article/view/121 (Yes, it should be 10% above ours.)
 
Yeah, it's been very uninteresting lately. Six weeks of fixing bugs in a shitty software
 
because safety, design, regulations, whatnot
 
@BartekBanachewicz bait
 
11:05 AM
Well, I've started like
Procedure Epoll-Wait
while True do
End
 
we live in a sad world where you can't just fly a plane you build from scrapped parts
 
> [...] human men perform many seemingly unachievable feats of heroism and athleticism. One such example would be Aragorn’s tireless defence of Helms Deep for an entire night.
 
@NeelBasu He means you should have written "pseudocode" instead of "pseudocodes"
 
@sehe Except if you gives me teh codes
 
11:06 AM
Oh
 
Especially then
 
How about bytecodes
 
I felt inspired
 
Ven
well met lounge
 
@BartekBanachewicz You can, as long as landing is optional.
 
11:07 AM
@orlp pls animate
 
Aragorn has Numenorean blood. He's no mere human.
 
those birds look high
 
@MartinJames fuck landing
 
@Cicada Give me them too
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz building a plane is hard man
 
11:07 AM
@NeelBasu I'd completely loose the references to implementation details. Just model /what/ you want done.
Instead of modeling /how/ it's translated into your async programming model.
 
Ell
just build a glider
 
@Ell that's what they want you to believe
 
@NeelBasu You might model that async design separately. Once. But independent of the task you use it for then
 
Ell
still hard but easier :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sounds like a fun type of landing
 
11:07 AM
Procedure Epoll-Wait
    while True do
        r_{i} <- io_vent.origin
    End
End
 
@Ell that sounds gay
 
Yeah they said programming is hard but in reality it's meh
 
I think you can buy kit helicopter, build then fly it
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz errr
 
I want to burn dinosaurs to fly m8
 
11:08 AM
but you have to have a pilot license
 
gliders are for pussies
 
MRW programming
 
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA A GIF
 
@chmod711telkitty or you can just wing it and use a jet engine with your copter kit
 
It's not a gif Oo
 
11:09 AM
I'm tired of programming
 
look at the extension, it's a gif
(jk)
 
@Mr.kbok it is a gif
 
(no the extension really is .gif but you get the idea)
 
Just not an animated one. :P
 
@Cicada I am too, in case no one noticed
 
Ell
11:09 AM
it isn't animated though
 
Yes, that is correct.
 
Ell
How can you be tired of programming?
 
@Cicada tired right now or tired of it in general
 
@BartekBanachewicz Let's move to New Zealand and raise goats
 
Ell
Just start a new project vOv
 
11:09 AM
@Ell just like that
 
Ell
then you never get bored
 
@Prismatic Both, actually.
 
I'd rather build a car or a plane
 
Ell
just keep starting new projects
@BartekBanachewicz do that then I guess vOv
 
@Ell fuck software projects and shitty tools and shitty effects
 
11:09 AM
It does seem Cat hacked Cicada's account indeed
 
I am, too. But man the money
 
@Ell No free time
 
Raising goats just doesn't pay that much
 
@sehe I prefer $35k extra for a safer model of ultralight helicopter
 
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
we live in a sad world where you can't just fly a plane you build from scrapped parts
 
Ell
11:10 AM
Is the money good for programming? I think in england it's shit tier
 
@Ell Get in finance m8
top tier monies
 
top tier boredom too
 
^also
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yeah the only reason you can't is because it will fall out of the sky :P
 
meh monies
 
Ell
11:10 AM
I actually will consider going into finance
 
@Cicada change careers
 
Ell
but I haven't even started my degree yet so
 
@Mr.kbok lol
 
@Prismatic I've been programming professionally for 4 months
 
That's better.
 
11:11 AM
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@Ell you need more faith man
 
@orlp get out
 
@BartekBanachewicz join a startup - you never know where your next meal will come from. #excitement
 
@orlp Bin it!
 
@orlp flog it
 
Ell
11:11 AM
bin the gif! bin the gif!
 
i'm having a seizure
 
GET RID OF THAT SHAKY THING!
 
@Nisk seriously my idea of building a jet plane sounds more sane than joining a startup
4
 
fuck having multiple string classes and fuck encodings. Fuck code like this: msg.toString(QString(locale.c_str())).toUtf8().constData();
 
@Cicada make a drastic career change
 
11:12 AM
Build a jet plane startup and everyone's happy
 
but what would you name this jet plane start up
 
just never start up that jet plane
 
@BartekBanachewicz OTOH if you build planes the way you build programs your career is going to take a sharp dip pretty fast.
 
It's a startup that's vaguely related to jet planes. OKAY it's a parking with opodo ads.
 
11:12 AM
"I swear this plane was functional!"
 
@Cicada hahaha
"is this plane reentrant"
 
Ell
you can't do a pure functional plane
 
@BartekBanachewicz you are clever, Burtak
startups are hell
 
Ell
it has to change global state
 
it will push the earth away
 
Ell
11:13 AM
there aren't boxes big enough to monoid it in
 
You have to use reactive programming for the engines~
LEL PUNS EVERYWHERE
god
 
It's functional, because everytime you fly it it's destroyed and you build a new one
 
@Cicada your fault tbh
 
in all seriousness
 
@BartekBanachewicz GHC is what I want to install for Haskell right?
 
11:14 AM
did someone... say... seizure?
 
there was an episode of The Scrapyard where they build actual flying planes
 
Don't forget to build a plane and not a plane engine
 
and actually took off
 
@orlp rip
 
11:14 AM
with things made with duct tape
 
Ell
Though programming for oracle or somebody pays like $120k a year
 
duck tape
 
actually I'll get this thing called the haskell platform
 
duck rape
 
I should bring back dolan
 
11:15 AM
the page has eye candy and a logo for Windows
 
@AlexM. Alternatively there’s the Haskell Platform, but it doesn’t have as much currency these days.
 
Ell
which is around £80k
 
@BartekBanachewicz IIRC, the engines were not scrap.
 
@AlexM. Yeah for Windows you want the platform I’m fairly sure.
 
11:15 AM
@MartinJames they weren't jet either.
also come on it's not like, scrap, it's a functioning thing
@AlexM. you might start with HP
remember to get the newest one in x64
 
time to go
 
@Mr.kbok oh my I only now got it
sneaky
 
Ell
what the fork EU. Why would you limit bankers bonuses?
 
@BartekBanachewicz That one was harder
 
@BartekBanachewicz what the fuck
'we insist on a test flight'
why would the test flight be any less dangerous...
 
11:18 AM
the fact is it's perfectly possible
I guess starting with cars is safer though vOv
 
@AlexM. After writing a Hello World you might want to check if your favourite editor has niceties for Haskell dev.
 
I need a garage
 
@LucDanton Hello World? I made a paladin fight a troll yesterday, I'm ready to rewrite Crysis in Haskell
 
Building you own car?
 
Bartek can confirm
 
11:19 AM
@Mr.kbok I always wanted to do it
 
@AlexM. Well the Hello Word is to see if the compiler is configured right :) Then you fire up the editor for the real stuff.
 
since I was in 3rd grade of primary school, which would be....
 
Otherwise I would have said it the other way around!
 
12 years ago
 
so since I was 10
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz why don't you buy a kit car?
 
I might.
 
I always wanted to build a car so that I can put in lots of computing
 
@Ell but I like thinking ahead
like first thing for me to do is fixing the damned chain tensioner in my bike
 
11:21 AM
Sounds like fun. Too bad I can't even afford a parking place for a fucking bike
 
wait you pay for parking a bike?
what the hell
 
@Mr.kbok Should have edited into "Foo bar"
 
I just place mine wherever
 
@AndyProwl But then... It wouldn't make any sense
 
either way Natalia's house has a garage that was supposed to be a car mechanic station
if we ever move there I'm going to do that
there's plenty of space to outfit it with the riser thing
 
11:23 AM
@Mr.kbok Yeah I know little downside
 
No I was just exaggerating. I can't afford a parking spot.
 
@Mgetz all I could think - what the fuck is Sky
 
@orlp same reason Microsoft had to change the name of SkyDrive
 
@BartekBanachewicz the last one was impressive
 
@Mr.kbok that's less surprising
 
11:24 AM
@Nisk ive been trying to build a car computer for a long time
 
@Prismatic not that hard
do you want to get into the OBD or CAN directly
or do you want your own ECU ground up?
 
not using my own ECU, undecided on OBD situation
 
OBD is plenty powahful, but mostly read-only
if you're in CAN you can do more serious damage things
 
the back of my head unit has a CAN input so I might have been able to use CAN directly without touching the port
CAN is just the network. OBD can use CAN as well
 
yeah, I meant the OBD endpoint specifically
well depends on what you want to achieve I suppose
chiptuning isn't new vOv
 
11:26 AM
I wanted basic diag + maps + media. Not interested in chiptuning
 
user1804599
fuck surrogate primary keys when natural ones would do
 
I was going to make a shift timer and other data only stuff
 
then get one of those OBD2->Bluetooth things
they go for €5 and will be more than enough
 
I have several lol, and a wifi one and a usb one too
 
oh okay
seems you're in that deeper than me
 
11:27 AM
@LucDanton right
as for the editor uh... I use ST2
I guess it has to have Haskell syntax highlighting
 
@Prismatic so aren't they enough?
@AlexM. it has. He meant stuff like autocomplete and syntax checking and whatnot
 
highlighting is such a long and ugh word, hiliting should be an official synonym
 
is chip-tunning basically tweaking the control parameters of the car, like suspension?
 
@BartekBanachewicz For doing diag stuff, sure. But what about maps? And music? A really long time ago I had delusions of grandeur that I could create something awesome that would do all that shit. I was in over my head
 
@Nisk it's hardly suspension, not a lot of cars have electronic suspension. It's mostly altering the ECU parameters
 
11:29 AM
@BartekBanachewicz prismaticproject.weebly.com/blog.html I used to keep a blog about what I was up to
 
@AlexM. Can’t help you here. It has a nice community around it, right? You’ll be fine.
 
@Prismatic You could just buy a Garmin and their EcoDrive OBD dongle and get all that
 
@BartekBanachewicz Those things are shit. I could also use a phone with an OBD app... no idea why I wasted so much time on it
 
Garmin navigations are really good imho
I suppose YMMV
 
@Nisk You change things like spark timing maps.
 
11:30 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes valve close/open timings too?
it rings a bell once I try to remember, I must have looked into it at one point
 
I thought it was AFR maps that people tuned mostly
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'd be mostly interested in electronic suspension though...I bet it's crazy expensive though
 
The ECUs have a lookup table for combinations of engine speed and load that give the desired spark timing, but manufacturers usually take a conservative approach there and try to account for things like poor engine maintenance. You can have a map closer to optimal if you drop the support for most scenarios the manufacturers try to support, but then you may get worse performance if say, you use low-quality fuel.
@Prismatic That too.
 
I remember coming across this cool project that wanted to flash the ECU while the car was being driven normally to compensate for different conditions
So it would switch to different maps if it detected you were in stop and go vs highway cruise vs performance/track etc
 
11:36 AM
@Nisk I'm not sure you can tune those electronically. AFAIK those are still mechanically driven by cams.
 
@Prismatic Umm.. it that not what the lookup tables etc. are for?
 
@MartinJames Yeah but I guess they wanted to load different profiles dynamically
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is this relevant? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
 
@Prismatic Copy into RAM, change a pointer.
 
11:38 AM
> Compare this with boost intrusive list.hpp — which admittedly does have more functionality — at 1500 lines not including the eleven (11!!) subsidiary headers filled with all that unreadable modern C++ templately bollocks.
It was such a promising article until they succumbed to NIH after all codeofhonor.com/blog/…
 
@Nisk Yes, but as you can see it's still a research thing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes aye :/
 
great, github is down again.
 
@inf There is no shortage of bad software developers.
 
> Tragically, this unlinking code is awful: for a list with N entries, on average it is necessary to scan N/2 entries to find the element we’re interested in removing, which is why a linked list is a bad choice for storing records that need to be accessed in random order.
Obvious observation is obvious.
lol
 
11:41 AM
@rubenvb Actully, do u know what the reason for it?
 
Well he makes a lot of good points. Just falling short of noticing that std::list with T is already a lot better than with T* (if it matches the use-case of course)
 
@St.Antario Seeing that @u is not present, I think you address the wrong person
 
Is github running on Windows?
Would explain the platform's stability of late.
 
user1804599
No, it's running on Rails.
 
11:45 AM
@sehe It didn't seem to hold much promise to me.
It starts up with straw men.
> In comparison to std::list, when viewing the memory layout you can see that there are fewer objects allocated in memory:
I mean, yes sure, because you have std::list<person*> not a std::list<person>.
Author can't into C++, promise lost.
 
grr windwos
 
@sehe what do u mean address the wrong person?
3
 
@CatPlusPlus windwoes
 
@orlp Windoesnot
 
11:46 AM
Nanosoft LoseDOS
we should make a full contact C++ competition
 
@rightfold that's not an OS, is it?
 
@St.Antario There is no one here by the name "u".
 
github runs on Emacs OS
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes A game programmer writing about C++? Yeah, my default position would be "expect to be disappointed" :)
 
> You can probably tell I’ve done this a lot, huh?
 
11:50 AM
Hello guys !
 
"I made some misguided profiles, misinterpreted the results, applied the wrong optimization to the wrong parts of the code before throwing it away and reinventing the square wheel. You can find the code on pastebin.com/fuckyou."
 
What a -wonderful day.
 
Says author after adding a race condition to his code that is meant to avoid them.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He does that a lot.
would be pretty hilarious
"We're doing emergency maintenance to recover the site."
"Looks like it's all gone, sorry."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, you can repeat a mistake lots and lots of time!
 
Xeo
11:51 AM
@orlp "Aaaaand... it's gone."
 
no more bugs in the code
 
The funniest part is that the first bit is actually correct, but then he "Avoids downsides of the solution above" by adding a race.
 
> Well the great thing about programming is that you can write your game the way you & your team feel will work best.
lol
 
@Nisk in the more complicated VVT engines maybe
 
Ah, that reminds me of the good ol' Perl idiom:
 
11:53 AM
@rubenvb :D
 
"There is more than one broken way to do it."
 
Then it gets "Same as above, but less fragile", which is true, and again actually correct, until "Same as above but reduces contention on lock" adds another race.
 
"Performance, compatibilty ? Screw that, i want to write it with one hand."
 
"Software: fast, cheap, quality. Pick none."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @Nisk scroll back to yesterday, I pissed my pants over Koenigsegg and FreeValve
 
11:55 AM
Would you work at Valve if you had the choice ?
 
@Mekap the one behind Steam? Sure.
 
what's "choice" here
I could apply to Valve I suppose
maybe I could even get hired. But what then? I don't want to move ATM
 
Haha, response to criticism of NIH?
> Well the great thing about programming is that you can write your game the way you & your team feel will work best.
 
Xeo
sigh
why is this industry so broken. :<
 
just because you can....doesn't mean you should.
 
11:56 AM
@Xeo tadaaa
 
History's repeating itself, Atari's crash redux incoming :O
 
@Xeo it's not broken, products are OK
 
you know that "OK" is strictly less than "good" right
 
and broken is worse than OK :P
 
say mobile gaming is being ruined by shitty in-app-purchases
and timewasters like the one my company is making
 
11:59 AM
is broken better than none, however?
 
in essense I'm destroying the industry myself
hmpfh.
 
cough
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz mobile can go die
 

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