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11:00 AM
> By increasing memory (which is cheap) system scalability can be increased. - and so my doubts really start to take hold ¬_¬
 
Aaand I may have just commit reddit suicide
Bwaahahahahahahahahah XD
 
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memory is expensiv
 
All I need is your help...Plz help me — xodagor 10 mins ago
ugh
 
> Euro time zone general chat. Over 1k rep - gets writing access. Over 10K rep can ask for Ownership
funny.
 
> @xodagor If your question survives long enough, there will appear a rep-wh0r3 who will write your script for you
how to make my question to survive long? @ khajvah — xodagor 51 secs ago
Lol
 
user1804599
11:08 AM
@khajvah flag, downvote, close
 
user1804599
@khajvah lol
 
@khajvah Lounged
Stop whinging please. — Lightning Racis in Obrit 12 secs ago
 
@khajvah that sounds like a song
 
> ♫ All I need is your help
Plz help me fix this broken heart ♪
I copy-pasted the music runes from LRiO's profile
it's always my go-to page for music runes
 
Xeo
11:14 AM
Alt+13: ♪, Alt+14: ♫
 
are you a music wizard or something like that, wow
 
Xeo
 
> Only upvote if you thought that it was a great question/answer, not because you disagreed with somebody else's downvote.
Wait, isn't that the same thing?
 
@Xeo Alt just shows the menu bar :(
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey No
 
11:15 AM
@AlexM. :)
@Xeo TIL
 
Xeo
You might disagree with the downvote, but not find the question spectacular enough to warrant an upvote.
 
Always assumed it'd be like Alt+159687987654065166849848.158
@Jefffrey No.
 
right
 
"I don't think this a very good question but I don't think this guy deserves -1. I've upvoted to counteract it."
that shit
@khajvah The + means keep the LHS depressed while you depress the RHS.
What you just did would be Alt-13.
 
Xeo
Alt+[1..31]: ☺☻♥♦♣♠•◘○◙♂♀♪♫☼►◄↕‼¶§▬↨↑↓→←↕∟↔▲▼
 
11:17 AM
(Or Alt-1-3, really)
 
♠☺☻♣♦•◘○♣♦☺☻♥
magic
 
ASCII is years old.
 
so is Columbo
 
ASCII is days old.
 
I used to live in a cave
 
11:19 AM
Racist.
 
I think I'll get up at 5am tomorrow and go pick up my driver's license
 
plot twist: police catches you without having a license and bans you from driving forever.
 
pretty sure that's sanctioned with jail
 
@khajvah who said I'm going to drive w/o a license?
@AlexM. it's not.
 
really, so you can drive without a license in poland
 
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11:22 AM
Bartek Lua is awesomee!
 
good to know
 
@khajvah Over here, 13 year olds get caught driving without a licence and get banned for three years. The legal driving age is 17.
 
if the document physically exists I'd pay a fine up to 50PLN (€12)
@AlexM. there's a difference between "not having the license on you" and "not being licensed"
 
here you go to jail for driving without a license
 
lol weak PLN
@AlexM. You mean without owning one or without carrying one
 
11:23 AM
without owning one
 
Right, well that makes sense
 
here it's 500PLN I think
 
you also go to jail if the alcohol vol in your blood is over some value
 
I think the notion is that Bartek's licence will not magically come into existence at the exact moment he reaches the location of its physical proof
It already exists
 
pretty crazy and scary
 
11:23 AM
Thus, he is licensed to drive
 
I mean, you get fined if you just drive
 
@AlexM. What is "crazy and scary" about drunk drivers getting locked up?
 
when you cause an accident w/o a license it's a different story
 
In my country, you just bribe the policeman, beat that
 
so, @AlexM. when you're getting one
 
11:24 AM
@LightningRacisinObrit how easy one can get in jail
 
@khajvah Stone age
 
Xeo
You should go to jail for reckless behaviour. Fuck you if you drive drunk.
 
@AlexM. Um, simply don't be a fucking drunk driving wanker?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know so far I have no need for it :\
 
11:24 AM
so no incentive to get it
 
The incentive is that one day you'll have a need for it, and no it.
And it'll be too late to do anything about that.
 
I don't even own a car lol
well I do
but I don't want it
 
@LightningRacisinObrit More like, fucked up infrastructure.
 
I'd rather spend the money on hardware than on maintaining it
 
Only you could fuck up a simple statement like "I don't own a car"
I mean cosh would fuck it up too but only via misspelling
 
11:26 AM
he owns a cat?
then says that he owns a car instead?
 
@khajvah People are not infrastructure.
@chmod711telkitty: That's it, exactly.
 
@AlexM. It's better to do it before you need it
it takes a while
 
After is too late
God this is so obvious why am I bothering
 
dude I tried to do it twice and failed
never really liked it
 
There it is
Story changing
 
11:27 AM
@AlexM. oh TIL. what did you do wrong?
 
only did it because parents forced me to
 
I was a third-time passer
 
Xeo
I don't have the money for a licence right now
 
no you didn't learn this today we had this discussion at least twice
 
Got pretty unlucky both those first two times
 
11:27 AM
@Xeo how much does it cost there?
 
Xeo
"much", I guess?
Dunno exactly
 
@AlexM. no I always thought you never did the course
 
I failed 3 times - road test that is
 
Xeo
prolly also depends on the driving school
 
11:27 AM
@LightningRacisinObrit wat
 
Xeo
And I got even less money for a car, in any case.
 
> The cost of obtaining a license for driving a car is on average 1,400€
oh wow
 
Jan 5 at 13:48, by Alex M.
I tried twice to get the license, failed both times
Jan 5 at 13:49, by Bartek Banachewicz
@AlexM. ouch
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@AlexM. no I always thought you never did the course
 
The first half year after I got my first car, I got into 3 accidents
 
11:29 AM
it's funny how some prices scale
 
@LightningRacisinObrit are you bullying @AlexM. again?
 
what do you mean again
 
@AlexM. hmpfh. How many practical hours does your course involve?
 
@deW1 He's bullying himself
 
11:30 AM
here it's 30 and it's way too little IMHO
 
@chmod711telkitty Sexist
 
I can't follow any of you, sorry
 
together with the amount I forked out to fix the 10 year old car, it probably costed me $3000 in the first 12 months alone & that's just extra on top of everything else.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ours is zero.
Theory test, practical test, done.
Typically you do X hours of lessons first, of course, but that's entirely up to you.
 
@khajvah now that's just rude
 
11:31 AM
what's rude?
 
Practical exam costs ~€100 here, and after 2 failed practical exam you have to do the theory exam again, which also costs ~€100. So it's better for you to be prepared.
 
@Jefffrey can you also drive with a friend/relative?
 
I don't know what they cost nowadays
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I know ... isn't my car such a misogynist bastard?
 
> A car theory test costs £25 and the car practical test normally costs £62 - the full rates for different vehicles are shown in the tables.
cheers Google
@chmod711telkitty yep
 
11:32 AM
@LightningRacisinObrit IIRC a lot of people opt for some lessons with an instructor anyway
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yep that's the norm
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, after passing the theory exam, you get a piece of paper that lets you exercise with someone that has 10+ years of experience (IIRC).
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I think that includes lessons
 
just saying like there's no lower limit to number of practical hours' experience you need in order to qualify
 
I had a total of 34 hours with an instructor and nearly failed, really.
 
11:33 AM
Here you can drive with a qualified driver (IIRC 3+ yrs, full licence) as soon as you have your provisional licence. You may apply for a provisional licence as soon as you are 17 for a small fee with no further requirements.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit you also need to be included in the vehicle's insurance, right?
 
Now things changed though.
 
@BartekBanachewicz (Well, yeah)
 
IIRC there's a minimum of 5 hours of driving lessons.
 
The idea is that you can therefore be trained and the historical emphasis was hands-on training, which would break down if you had to sit the theory test first.
 
11:34 AM
And the 17 years old thingy LRiO mentioned
 
I do wonder whether that might be better, though.
Actually the age might be 18 now
 
Huuuuungry.
 
hmm no looks like that never happened
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I think the supervisor needs 2+ years.
 
@Jefffrey me too brb
 
11:35 AM
I'm in Italy and I can't order pizza at 13:15 on a monday afternoon?
 
@Xeo I suppose the higher salaries compensate the difference at least a bit. (it's still quite a lot)
 
That's fucked up.
 
Xeo
Dunno, my salary is not that high. 30k / year, gross.
 
I want a ultralight helicopter - so I can kill myself faster, hahaha!
 
lol you can get a provisional licence at 15 years and 9 months old wtf (but can't drive car until 17)
 
11:36 AM
Not that I can afford one
 
@Xeo What currency? Elephants?
 
Xeo
Euro
 
€, duh
 
Don't assume a European audience! Bloody Yanks....
 
@Xeo mine is ~25,6k
 
11:38 AM
speaking of which
Linker issue, I edited the answer with the update, and hopefully a better explanation of what I'm asking. (Sorry to waste your time so early in the morning.) — scraimer 7 mins ago
 
wait "gross" is "before taxes" right
 
fuck that guy
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz yes
 
@BartekBanachewicz right
 
Xeo
It's the raw salary you negotiated
 
11:38 AM
yeah so the figure is correct.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ouch
 
@LightningRacisinObrit remember it has a lot more purchase power here, thankfully
say, the driving license course costs €300, not €1400
that includes 20 hours of theory and 30 hours of practice with an instructor
 
Xeo
I should've gotten up to 36k at least, by now. Unfortunatly we still haven't quite recovered money-wise, as a company. October should hopefully fix that.
 
yeah I suppose you're going to be earning way more than me quite fast
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz brb getting my license in Poland
@BartekBanachewicz The real problem is that a real jump in salary is basically only possible when switching jobs. And I don't want that.
 
11:41 AM
@Xeo I think we're looking at yet another year -.-
I want to break £40k ffs
 
@LightningRacisinObrit how many years have you been working professionally?
 
Oh wait what.
Written in Erlang? /cc @rightfold
 
@Xeo the gotcha is that you have to live in Poland at least 185 days each year or something though :S
or be studying here
 
Xeo
aww
 
(365+1)/2 ... or was it 365/2+1
 
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11:46 AM
@Jefffrey Why do you ask that?
 
of course it's Poland though, and you basically have to sign the paper and it's done
 
user1804599
It obviously is.
 
no one is really able to verify that :P
not speaking Polish might be a bigger deal
 
user1804599
Polish your speaking.
 
except for some countries, being a resident also means to pay more tax to the country
 
11:47 AM
@rightfold It's a rhetoric question
 
@BartekBanachewicz I've never been professional ;)
6 years
Well
 
user1804599
I hate rhetoric questions.
 
user1804599
They are rhetarded.
 
Yeah let's just say 6
 
hmm I started my first "real" job in March 2012
 
11:47 AM
@rightfold Do you now?
 
welp, it's only been 3 years recently
not much.
 
Correct; March was last month.
 
I gotta work at getting experience faster
 
software developers get paid pretty low in the UK :p
 
11:48 AM
@chmod711telkitty Yes :(
 
only moved 3 years in the last 3 years
 
Xeo
I'm in my third year now.
Started 01.2013
 
I think the U.S. is the best paying country for software developers
 
@chmod711telkitty don't be fooled, that's mostly cost of living
 
not if you live in seattle
 
11:49 AM
the difference between what I make here in denver and silicon valley is 30k just in cost of living
seattle is 20k COL bump
 
London's cost of living is high, but software engineers pays are still pretty low
 
@chmod711telkitty how much are chicken herders paid :)
 
@chmod711telkitty High as fuck*
 
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findUserByID :: Connection -> UserID -> IO (Maybe User)
findUserByID conn uid =
    findAllUsers conn <&> filter (\u -> userID u == uid) <&> headMaybe
 
user1804599
Awesome!
 
11:51 AM
@khajvah what is high?
 
lol just noticed new @rightfold avatar. It's nice.
 
user1804599
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I was looking at property prices in London
 
@rightfold I guess lambda is more classy than a gopher ;)
 
user1804599
11:51 AM
I should add a gopher in the corner!
 
noo that'll ruin the composition
hm, I could use a new avatar I suppose
 
I think I'm coming back to Haskell
 
not that I got (even more) pretty
 
Or functional programming at least
 
how's the game engine venture going @Jefff
 
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11:53 AM
 
user1804599
:3
 
I haven't had time to do any hobby programming in the last weeks because of the move
 
Terrible, I like no game engine so far.
 
@Jefffrey join the club :)
 
user1804599
Maybe I should rewrite rehash in Haskell.
 
11:53 AM
@khajvah everything in london costs more
 
like, yesterday I managed to fix the last power socket in my apartment
 
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If I can find a bounded chan library (lol why are Chans unbounded).
 
also @R.MartinhoFernandes forgot to brag, I got shocked when mounting a power socket (obviously)
we should make a ranking of those accidents or something
 
everyone loves your pic pantoona
 
@Mgetz my cousin used to work for microsoft, his starting pay in the seattle headquarter was $70k-$80k, that was 10 years ago
 
11:54 AM
Function reactive programming is good in theory, but fails terribly for anything more difficult than hello world.
 
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:D :D :D
 
Not to mention that implementation is scary.
 
beware, now for everyone to copy it
 
@chmod711telkitty that's about what I make with 5 years experience in Denver
 
@Jefffrey I get a feeling I reimplemented at least some of the FRP.
the sanier parts, maybe
 
user1804599
11:54 AM
This is the best way to do UIs: gist.github.com/rightfold/55c59dbdb0dc12c064b6
 
There's no sane part of FRP
 
I started using Haskell and Parsec to write my own language
 
@Jefffrey one-directional bindings are FRP
 
It's very cool.
(Parsec not my language. My language sucks)
 
user1804599
Work on Mill compiler.
 
11:55 AM
@Mr.kbok Mr. redundant explanations strikes again
:D
 
@BartekBanachewicz No idea what those are
 
user1804599
I should rewrite it in Haskell.
 
@Jefffrey "this list shows users"
 
user1804599
And implement static analysis.
 
@Jefffrey ever used WPF?
 
11:56 AM
wat
"one-directional bindings" on google returns no result, I have a feeling you are trying to troll me.
 
the idea is that instead of doing manual updates you sorta "bind" the data and the UI together
@Jefffrey try "WPF bindings" vOv
 
@rightfold I'll have a look, and take some of the worst ideas.
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
DDG WTF
 
you're using a duck seach,duh
 
11:58 AM
No idea what WPF and FRP have in common
 
user1804599
They are both used for GUIs.
 
But every page I browse about WPF doesn't mention FRP, or "functional" or "reactive".
 
@rightfold I called the police
good luck pantoona
 
user1804599
You didn't.
 
yes I did
 
user1804599
11:59 AM
They can't find me anyway; I used DDG not Google.
 
I thought of a DDG joke in this context but I won't post it here, too risky
 
user1804599
And DDG totally doesn't (lol) tell the NSA about everything.
 
Xeo
@AlexM. s/u/i/?
 

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