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Xeo
2:00 PM
Nothing changed, except that they can't call themselves "Mindcrackers"
everything else is the same, really.
@BartekBanachewicz vOv
People seem overly sensitive to certain hobbies
 
I should go to a gym and get really buffed
and then after 2 years take a pic with my collection of otaku shit
 
Xeo
haha
 
@Xeo I don't think they can... at least not for making vids...
 
which... isn't much now
 
@Xeo I am not sure what's worse though, ponies or little girls
 
Xeo
2:01 PM
@thecoshman They can
 
and probably won't be anytime soon
 
Xeo
They specifically clarified that.
They're VIP members
 
@Xeo oh right
 
because I have to pay like almost twice the price of something with shipping
 
we're talking pedophilia vs zoophilia here basically
you know what let's change the topic
 
2:01 PM
the only otaku stuff I have is a small nyaruko figure
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz You should look for smaller brushes, you're painting with quite the broad stroke there.
 
I wonder if genny will head back to hermit craft, doc and etho are there...
 
and it was 2x original price because shipping :'(
 
Xeo
@AlexM. scrub
@AlexM. Shipping is the bane of western otakus
That, and import tax
it's just mean
 
it's a nice figure tho
Jun 27 '14 at 19:36, by Alex M.
@Xeo chibi nyaruko https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17635452/2014-06-07%2020.08.49.jpg
don't regret getting it
 
Xeo
2:04 PM
@AlexM. And I refer to the message you replied to :P
 
Xeo
I should take a new picture of my figures.
 
@Xeo seems apt
 
Xeo
The collection has grown.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What's that?
 
2:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz what
the hell is that
 
4 mins ago, by Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz You should look for smaller brushes, you're painting with quite the broad stroke there.
badum-tss
 
So it's a paintbrush?
 
ECS has so many flaws
 
dat bait
 
the fuck is ECS
> ECS (Nottingham) Ltd, a global manufacturer and distributor for high quality Waterbased and UV Coatings, certificated Pressroom chemicals, Fountain solutions ...
I see
The Enhanced Chip Set (ECS) is the second generation of the Amiga computer's chipset, offering minor improvements over the original chipset (OCS) design. ECS was introduced in 1990 with the launch of the Amiga 3000. Amigas produced from 1990 onwards featured a mix of OCS and ECS chips, such as later versions of the Amiga 500 and the Commodore CDTV. Other ECS models were the Amiga 500+ in 1991 and lastly the Amiga 600 in 1992. Notable improvements were the Super Agnus and the Hires Denise chips. The sound and floppy controller chip, Paula, remained unchanged from the OCS design. Super Agnus supports...
perhaps this
 
2:11 PM
entity component system
 
ECS, Nottingham, England, Earth, The Milky Way
 
@Jefffrey hmm? what in particular?
 
you take any game design architecture, and it either fucks up some basic programming principles, or it's unusable 30% of the times
 
@Jefffrey you take any software architecture and it's going to do the same things.
 
@Jefffrey sounds about right
 
2:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Take two systems/behaviours. One is the physics system implemented via Box2D, which contains the Box2D world and each entity contains their own Box2D body. The other system is the "BadGuyAI" system, which makes a bad guy attack the nearest Good guy. The latter now needs informations from the Physics system. And now you have two systems depending on each other.
Which is against §3.12/2 of the ECS standard
 
yeah, that's like the first thing you learn about ECS is that that part of it is bullshit
or at least, the first thing I've learned
systems are obviously going to need to know about each other
 
But at that point you are back at spaghetti coding, just with a complex framework for no reason.
 
True.
 
as long as it's QF spaghetti coding it's ok
 
systems are a bad abstraction
 
2:17 PM
@AlexM. QF?
 
It's ketchup spaghetti. Worst kind of spaghetti.
 
@Jefffrey ew
 
@Jefffrey mmm
 
Because now you also have ketchup, for whatever reason.
 
fuck now I really want pasta
 
2:18 PM
clearly we need better-defined interactions between modules
 
I'm not sure if this wording is right http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/lambda

>The type of each data member is the type of the corresponding captured entity, except if the entity has reference type (in that case, references to functions are captured as-is, and references to objects are captured as copies of the referenced objects).
 
My life in the past 2 years have been: 1) Oh nice, ECS looks awesome. 2) ECS is meh. 3) Maybe FRP is better. 4) Oh god FRP is even more abstract and fails at very basic stuff. 5) Time to go back to ECS. 6) Ask gamedevs in IRC what they think about these simple problems. 7) Yup, they are problems, "good luck" they say. 8) Try web programming for a while. 9) Go to 1.
 
> references to objects are captured as copies of the referenced objects
?
 
I'm stuck in a loop, and it uses non conditional jumps.
 
am I reading that wrong?
 
2:24 PM
@Jefffrey the thing you gotta realize is that there's no simple solution
there's no silver bullet in game architecture
 
We have to figure it out. It must exists!
 
no "shitfuck meteor system" or "entity pigeon system" to save you
 
ecs::get_entity_group<Component1, Component2, ...>().map(std::bind(render_entity, _1, dt, window))
 
@Jefffrey so far, immutable, value-based data flows look the most promising, IMHO
we (as gamedevs) could also learn a lot from SQL and RDBs I think
 
@BartekBanachewicz I've heard that for real time games, the garbage collector is an issue.
 
2:26 PM
GCs got much better over the last few years
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's interesting. What do you mean exactly?
 
user1804599
Use a real time GC. :P
 
@Jefffrey I've been doing some research when I was designing macro harvest
I experimented with Postgres, namely
what strikes me, immediately, is the opportunity to use stored procedures more
 
user1804599
PostgreSQL is awesome.
 
it is
 
2:28 PM
the term "database" is often connected to long tables of users, data, whatever
 
I love relational databases. They are the "silver bullet" of data query.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz relational databases are something I often miss when designing data structures.
 
however, it's extremely generic. That's when I thought "let's put everything in the game into a database"
obviously, sooner or later this crashes and falls back from orbit, but some ideas there are worth exploring.
 
Wait
That's genius
 
user1804599
If I have, say data Post = Post PostID Text Text then I am uncomfortable with Map PostID Post for looking up posts by their IDs.
 
2:29 PM
obrit
 
user1804599
Instead I want a (set, indices) pair, much like an RDBMS.
 
> Simply pass your business logic code (like client notification, physics simulation, sensor fusion, collision detection or AI) as callback functions to SpaceBase, which will parallelize your business logic.
fucking hate that term
 
yeah, terminology has a lot of meh connotations
but if you see past that, well
 
> No More Callbacks: 10,000 Actors, 10,000 Threads, 10,000 Spaceships
Why would you have 10,000 threads.
 
2:31 PM
woah, biicode is really nagging me
 
@Jefffrey one thread per socket, man
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey because you need to handle 10,000 clients and don't want to program with cruft like futures and callbacks.
 
@BartekBanachewicz *bugging me
that's a bee
 
well, if anyone from biicode is reading this, no, I haven't tried yet. Soon. :P
 
user1804599
Better question: why would you not have 10,000 threads?
 
2:33 PM
overhead
 
user1804599
Spawning 10,000 threads works just fine in Erlang, Go, Haskell and even Mill.
 
@Jefffrey negligible.
 
user1804599
The overhead is minimal; a fresh thread is about 300B in Erlang.
 
user1804599
And the scheduler has been optimised since 30 years ago.
 
Right
Time to watch "Architecture: The Lost Years" again
 
user1804599
2:35 PM
Nice.
 
> Quasar adds true lightweight threads — fibers — to the JVM. Those fibers are just like regular threads, only they add very little scheduling overhead, and allow you to run hundreds-of-thousands or even millions of lightweight threads on a single JVM instance. On top of those fibers, Quasar provides Go-like channels, and Erlang-like actors, complete with supervisor hierarchies, selective receive and more.
 
user1804599
Quasar is a horrible hack that rewrites bytecode. :D
 
the Hyperdrive, eh.
 
omg he's still trying to get the schema changes right
 
@rightfold sounds amazing!
 
2:37 PM
wtf is so hard about writing TIMESTAMP NULL DEFAULT NULL
 
@rightfold threads, threads everywhere!
 
user1804599
I wonder how GHCJS implements forkIO.
 
it's been almost a week...
a WEEK
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I don't like your new profile pic
 
2:38 PM
inb4 i don't care
 
LRiO never cares
 
inb4 "fap to something else"
 
I can go home in 37 minutes
 
@LightningRacisinObrit mfw I'm constipated basically
 
@BartekBanachewicz or now
 
2:39 PM
@AlexM. lol
@notjefff Decouple everything and keep things simple. Hint: OOP and scene graphs are likely not what you want.
You make everything so simple
 
user1804599
Everything is simple.
 
user1804599
Iff you keep it simple.
 
Xeo
Ifff Jefff
 
we should do a new lounge thing
I've done jams here, enough for now
let's do a discussion panel
about game architecture
 
Xeo
Lounge<IGotBetterThingsToDo>
 
user1804599
2:40 PM
@interface NSDiscussionPanel : NSPanel
@end
[[NSDiscussionPanel alloc] init]
 
@Xeo stop lying
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think we just did
 
Let's do a "actually design well written games" thingy
 
Xeo
I can't design
I suck at it
2
 
@Jefffrey that's the other way
@Xeo see that's why you need The Panel
@LightningRacisinObrit I'd rather voice
 
2:41 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ew
 
Xeo
The Panelâ„¢ won't help me design my games better. :<
 
@rightfold P=NP
 
why do you think that
 
Xeo
I have great basic ideas, but can't properly build on them. :<
 
@Xeo see that's one thing we can talk about
 
user1804599
2:42 PM
@Jefffrey game state (input : input') = do { let state' = update state input; draw state'; game state' input' }
 
Because the only other people on The Panel will be you, Jefffrey, rightfold and Cinch
 
I'll add it to the agenda
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I'm talking about a different "design" than you. :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz you realise it will descended into "just don't"
 
2:42 PM
yeah should've said architecture
rather than design
 
no it will descend into "fuck you you are toxic fuck you all I'm leaving and not coming back for six months because I'm sick of this shit"
 
while we're at leaving, where's @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
@BartekBanachewicz I kicked him for power tripping
 
@Xeo fucking abuse of power
 
2:44 PM
ahha
caught redhanded
 
You can't use your room owner powers to clear stars you don't want on your own posts. That's just not cool.
inb4 apparently he can
lol dat flag
 
user1804599
I still believe that tape is the best abstraction I ever implemented.
 
bye goshman
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
 
user1804599
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
 
user1804599
2:45 PM
wtf that was quick
 
What the fuck.
 
lol wtf
what did he say
 
hahahaha
@BartekBanachewicz nice try
 
user1804599
he said something with cocks and mouths
 
2:46 PM
@EtiennedeMartel what did he say
 
> @BartekBanachewicz one might say cock in mouth
 
it was so fast, I didn't even notice
//cc @Cicada
 
hi favorite language be eight zero zero d
 
@EtiennedeMartel ahahaha so thecoshman
 
2:46 PM
oooOOo
 
I don't really understand how someone can flag that.
 
getumm
 
@EtiennedeMartel There's a flag icon on each post to the right of the text
 
People put penises in their mouths all the time.
 
bong
 
2:47 PM
our koala broke guys
 
how can you be canadian and still use that language
 
@EtiennedeMartel Um most people never put penises in their mouths, bud.
 
@AlexM. Lounge is extraterriotrial
or something
 
Plus there are plenty of things people do but we'd rather not have a conversation about in this setting
 
@BartekBanachewicz more like extraterrestrial
 
2:50 PM
@LightningRacisinObrit What setting?
 
@EtiennedeMartel This chat room.
Among many, many other settings.
If you want to talk about putting penises in your mouth, that is certainly your right, and I respect that you have personal "needs", but there are more appropriate places for that.
 
Or we can abduct etienne, and torture him until he tells us the secrets of game architecture
 
@LightningRacisinObrit may I recommend a private room with rightfold
 
That would be the most efficient way really
 
@Jefffrey I swear I thought this sentence won't end with "game design"
 
2:51 PM
@AlexM. go ahead
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I thought this was the Internet, where you can say anything you want and if you're offended about something, it's your fault.
 
also, again, we mean architecture not design
 
I recommend a private room with rightfold
 
romantic
 
@EtiennedeMartel Where did you hear that you can say anything you want in any place on the internet without fear of reprisal?
 
2:51 PM
@LightningRacisinObrit Reddit.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Figures.
@AlexM. good idea!
 
@LightningRacisinObrit 4chan
 
@MarcoA. That also.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey also use zygohistomorphic prepromorphisms in your game, when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor.
 
Go to 4chan and do it, then.
 
2:52 PM
Grow a thicker skin hurr durr
 
I really liked the CS GO reddit but then I noticed that on some guy's survey it turned out the average age there was like 14 or 15
and I felt a bit weird
 
@EtiennedeMartel The thickness of my skin has nothing to do with it.
 
@rightfold Make a game, so I can learn from you.
 
> You are responsible for a herd of pigs. When the herd is gone, you lose.
lol
 
2:53 PM
hi guys, I just stumbled upon this (www dot searchalleasy dot com (don't click it)), a website which appears to exactly replicate SO contents. WTF??
 
for (auto&& row : program) {
    for (auto&& column : row) {
        column = ' ';
    }
}
lolwut
 
@StefanoSanfilippo They're allowed to if they say where it's from.
 
> The collective noun for a group of hedgehogs is array or prickle.
 
@StefanoSanfilippo It happens.
 
@StefanoSanfilippo do check if they provide attribution
 
2:54 PM
Hedgehog hedgehogs[100];
 
No, I mean just a mirror of the website, including graphics, login form and all
 
@MarcoA. lol it's screenscraped
 
Wow that .bef file
 
looks like 80bola's replacement
 
user1804599
@StefanoSanfilippo Ask on Meta Stack Overflow.
 
2:54 PM
@rightfold I'm sorry but that's unreadable.
 
They should let pantoona design Perl 7
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey What? The most obscure thing is the self-modifying code, and even that is reasonably easy to understand!
 
@LightningRacisinObrit omg that looks like phishing to me
 
@rightfold I'm not very smart then.
 
2:56 PM
@MarcoA. Phishing in what way?
And now it's been replaced by www.searchalleasy.com. Sigh. — Lightning Racis in Obrit 1 min ago
 
@LightningRacisinObrit because it provides a working login form
 
@StefanoSanfilippo oh my
 
@LightningRacisinObrit there's also the same login form
 
Why do people pull this crap
What is wrong with them, mentally
Twats
 
@LightningRacisinObrit uh nope.. that crashed
 
2:57 PM
I guess it goes straight to the contact form.... do they have a security report "fast lane"?
 
@StefanoSanfilippo Everything is broken there.
 
user1804599
I once wrote a game in Clojure.
 
Login doesn't work, searching for users doesn't work.
 
user1804599
Let me see whether I can find it back.
 
@Jefffrey maybe it's just a bad copycat, maybe that's the impression they want to give and they are logging passwords anyway
 
user1804599
 
@StefanoSanfilippo You can't even login
 
user1804599
Pretty much all are terrible.
 
user1804599
But they're the only ones I can find back.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm sorting out some shit before I leave for the Netherlands.
 

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