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10:00 AM
I do
 
We know
 
seems clear then that you were incorrect and somebody does endorse it
 
Not relevant, you're a puppy.
 
user1804599
Hi.
 
Oh yeah.
 
10:04 AM
@рытфолд Mourning
 
I have to uninstall that game I downloaded yesterday.
 
OK, it's obvious that my development box and/or VM test environment is ensorcelled, presumably with curse magic. IIRC, it is impossible to activate any curse that has no possible means of breaking. Does anyone know which folders/files might store the text of the curse? I need to read its terms in order to find out how to release it.
 
@Xeo it's madness! you brought it?
 
is there something so supercool about these exploding kittens?
it does not even look like such a fun game to me
 
It's getting money due to the popularity of the authors.
 
10:18 AM
It's a silly card game
 
@AndyProwl You can play it with a regular set of cards.
 
I'd get it if it didn't cost a goddamn 50$ with shipping
Seems like a nice thing to play while drunk
 
Dunno, I know it's a bit of a pointless argument, but I can't help feeling that there must be some more useful research project that would need or deserve a 5 million $ investement
 
I argued about it.
Most of the money at this point is sales.
 
Yeah but why would I pay for boring research out of my pocket
 
10:21 AM
@AndyProwl Oatmeal
 
It's not some angel investor thing, it's people buying a silly game
 
@Rapptz sure, but that's going to be a pita
 
@CatPlusPlus I see
 
Have you literally never played Donkey or Old Maid
The games are ancient.
 
People spend money on dumber things anyway
 
10:22 AM
@Rapptz No, I didn't
 
@AndyProwl It's pretty similar.
If you have a regular set of cards you could play it with your friends.
 
@Rapptz I don't recall any kickstarter ever not being nearly just sales. They all have the small donation levels, but it is nearly always pre-sales
 
Doesn't have fancy drawings.
@thecoshman Browse kickstarter more.
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah, it's like a €15 quid card game
 
Preferably the non-popular ones.
Kickstarter is a joke now.
 
10:24 AM
@Rapptz I try not too :P
 
Indiegogo would have been good if it wasn't full of scams. Kickstarter is full of scams too but hell. Indiegogo is worse.
 
@Rapptz you're just against the idea of 'stretch goals'
 
If you're raising money for a product then giving people the product for their money seems an obvious thing to do (tm)
 
@thecoshman Not really.
 
@CatPlusPlus woah there crazy horse!
 
10:25 AM
lol Indiegogo
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm not saying otherwise.
 
@Rapptz that seemed to be your main point
 
Lol.
 
@Rapptz Not sure what you expected it to be
 
I don't know anymore.
I don't care either.
All I do on Kickstarter now is just look at the shitty ones.
 
10:26 AM
plus the idea of exclusives is very compelling
 
Crowd-funding seemed cool in theory.
 
it's great
 
People don't give money for nothin
 
products that people actually want come to market easier
 
I'm not sure where you guys are getting the idea that I don't want people to get things for their money.
 
10:27 AM
things that conventional lenders might not like to take the risk on.
well, it's that you seem to think once the break even point is reached, people should stop supporting things
 
So this kickstarter thing is actually a shop?
 
@AndyProwl not really, but kinda
 
It's an investment platform
The product is your ROI
 
user1804599
10:29 AM
Oh nice.
 
I know, but if people invest for getting a game in return, that's pretty much a shop
 
No, because there's a risk involved
 
user1804599
JavaScript has no goto but I can just use a switch statement in a for (;;) loop instead.
 
There's little to no accountability on Kickstarter.
 
10:30 AM
Look at DoubleFine Kickstarter saga
 
There are a lot of scams.
 
What I meant is that it's not a donation site for projects that one feels are worth investing on
 
Nope.
 
@AndyProwl the product you are investing in might never end up being made for what ever reason.
 
It's more like a bond.
You put in money and there's risk involved
 
10:30 AM
Investing without expecting returns is donating
 
But if you get lucky you get something back.
 
@Rapptz that does not make the concept bad though.
 
Do you go donate to random people for nothing
 
@CatPlusPlus which of course, some people do do
 
@CatPlusPlus That's pretty much what my idea of kickstarter was. My bad
 
10:31 AM
Yeah but there's still an element of "I'm getting something"
 
@AndyProwl There are sites like that.
(hint: they're not very popular and they have even more scams)
 
@CatPlusPlus "thanks" and "eternal gratitude" aren't really a thing
 
@CatPlusPlus People don't donate "for nothing"
They expect those money to be used for trying to reach a goal
The fact that the goal may not be reached is taken into account though
 
@AndyProwl well yeah, but they just want to support the project
 
@AndyProwl gofundme.com
 
10:33 AM
@thecoshman Right
That's not "for nothing"
 
Is that your idea of Kickstarter?
 
it's like if they want to support a studio (that has made other games you really like) make a game that you don't care for.
 
Then I don't know what else there is.
 
@AndyProwl they're not really getting anything back though.
 
10:34 AM
Indiegogo is essentially Scamgogo.
I don't think I've ever seen a legitimate project there but I don't browse it often.
 
what was the hook with indiegogo when it started?
 
@thecoshman Most likely, but if I make a donation for research in a certain medical area, that's not "for nothing".
 
@thecoshman Flexible funding.
 
@AndyProwl oh, you're idea of "for nothing" is a bit awkward.
 
@thecoshman I think yours is.
 
10:35 AM
They are donating with no expectation of a direct reward, not donating and not expecting to happen but build up a big pile of cash for that person.
 
@thecoshman The money is used for something (e.g. purchasing of equipment)
 
Legitimate projects don't need flexible funding because they know it's a red flag
 
@thecoshman My kids, or nephews, may benefit from those results, even though I may not.
 
Need, want. whatever
 
@Rapptz what do you mean?
 
10:36 AM
@thecoshman If the funding fails they keep the money.
 
And really millions of people may benefit from those results. So it's definitely not "for nothing".
 
@Rapptz wtf why would anybody back in that circumstance.
 
Donation for helping one person is a different thing.
 
what is this a reply to?
 
@Rapptz o_0 huh? so... people can offer to pitch in, but not enough to make it happen be offered... and then the person still get's the money with no expectation of doing anything with it?
 
10:37 AM
I just hope the kittens guys will get a EU distributor at some point
 
user1804599
@Rapptz to this
 
@Puppy People are dumb
 
@AndyProwl When Cat and I are saying "for nothing" we mean, direct reward for the money they offer, such as a copy of the game/toy
 
It's used for a) scams b) idiotic ideas that will fail and might as well be scams c) scams
 
2 mins ago, by Andy Prowl
@thecoshman I think yours is.
 
user1804599
10:38 AM
Stack Overflow is a scam.
 
snack overflow
 
fuck
 
Owned
 
Maybe one day I'll see a legitimate project on Indiegogo.
 
10:39 AM
lol no
 
@AndyProwl not all projects (read, very few) are for an abstract thing that everyone/anyone can benefit from.
 
lol I know
Oh wait.
 
@thecoshman I've never claimed the opposite. I just claimed that it's your idea of "for nothing", not mine, which is awkward. At least IMO :)
 
I actually know one!
I forgot all about it.
 
buy your logic, me buying some beer is helping cure cancer, as I'm circulating money that at some stage might work it's way towards research.
 
@thecoshman Not really
 
@thecoshman I definitely buy my logic :P (also, no, my logic does not imply that)
 
@CatPlusPlus I pay vat, that goes to government, who put money towards research. aka, drink beer to cure cancer!
 
@thecoshman 'Not really' as in 'that’s not really what he said', not that your situation is untrue.
 
Anyway I'd only donate to things I already use and enjoy as a back payment of sorts, if I'm giving money for something that doesn't exist yet then sure as fuck I want that thing when it's done
 
10:42 AM
I can't start to help cure cancer until 13:30.
 
> Why Indiegogo and not Kickstarter?
Kickstarter is available in my country, but only for backers. I can't launch a project. Indiegogo is a great alternative.
as good as a reason as any I guess
 
The only redeeming feature
 
@MartinJames Ffs stop thinking just about your needs and go have a beer now!
 
I think the Table Top series on YT funded through IGG
 
10:44 AM
Still, putting money towards a research project is more like donating.
 
@AndyProwl It's early yet, but if you insist, I guess one can would be OK. I will make the sacrifice.
 
@MartinJames It's for the world
 
@Rapptz honest enough :P
 
lol tubyubers
 
user1804599
tubgirls
 
10:45 AM
Did you guys see this
 
Youbutte
 
@AndyProwl Yes. We all have an obligation.
 
user1804599
All-uppercase typenames is nice.
 
I'll have a cheese and picked onion sandwich with my obligation.
 
10:46 AM
@Rapptz So many words
Does this page ever end
 
@MartinJames Enjoy (the feeling of contribution)!
 
@AndyProwl I will try my utmost to shoulder the burden without complaint.
 
@MartinJames That's truly admirable
@Rapptz That site seems to be for helping one person only. That's not a project, it's charity. I thought kickstarter was for donations to research projects that may bring benefit to many people through inventions or creation of things that don't exist yet. I do realize exploding kittens do qualify as that, but what I gathered from this discussion is that it's "mostly sales", which sounds like people are buying stuff rather than funding a research project.
I thought kickstarter was more about the latter than the former.
 
I always thought of Kickstarter as buying a thing that doesn't exist yet and maybe never will
 
10:53 AM
@AndyProwl no idea where you got the idea kickstarter was for research
 
Well nobody's stopping you from starting a research project
 
next week: kickstart Wide
 
Just don't expect to be this popular
 
it's usually projects that need some initial funding to get it manufactured.
 
@thecoshman Don't know. My bad
 
10:54 AM
@CatPlusPlus actually... I think the TOS might require you have rewards for backers... not sure though.
 
@thecoshman No.
@CatPlusPlus It actually froze my FF.
 
@Puppy I'd fund that
 
I finally set Flash to 'ask to activate' some time ago
 
@AndyProwl fool
 
@AndyProwl You can just use the donate link in my profile if you want :P
 
10:55 AM
I don't have it installed.
 
@Puppy Oh. Ok, I haven't seen that
 
You can try Kickstarting from a concept, but convincing people to give you money is harder then
 
@thecoshman Why? It's an interesting project that may bring benefits.
 
@AndyProwl give it to cancer research, you know, something worthwhile :P
 
@thecoshman How do you know I don't do that already? :P
 
10:58 AM
@AndyProwl lol
 
@AndyProwl bank details.
 
0/10 no kittens
 
lol
> Make this recurring (monthly)
Puppy that's a bit exaggerate :D
 
> If your project involves something illegal, heavily regulated, or potentially dangerous for backers and it is not on this list, please contact us before starting your project.
lol
Research actually might be banned on KS, dunno if it would fall under 'projects must create something to share with others'
 
Research cannot promise results
 
11:01 AM
@AndyProwl I've never clicked the link and don't know actually what happens if you do.
paypal make the link and you just post it.
 
Tier 30$: you'll get the research papers on ACTUAL PAPER
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
god damn it, I've got the hankering to do a water cooled pc, just to do it :S
 
(+15$ shipping worldwide)
 
@Puppy Seems I have to write my home phone number (which I don't have) in order to make a donation. Gonna put my mobile, but that's dumb
 
11:03 AM
On PayPal?
It shouldn't be needed
 
@AndyProwl no project can
 
@CatPlusPlus It doesn't let me continue if I don't type one
 
I just have an account so dunno
 
I hate PayPal
 
11:06 AM
It's TUI
CLI is really just the interface on the command-line level
Not that it's important
Also fuck TUIs
 
Ell
Lol wat
 
I get that.
I just don't understand the random rant.
 
baddit
 
It’s a pet peeve :v
 
@Ell Lol wat wat
 
Ell
11:08 AM
The reddit thingy
Oh I misread
 
> [Personal Survey] How many hrs. do you code a day & do you take brks?
I only take sbrks
 
Ell
I thought he thought CLI was something to do with the butte
 
I just made Luc cringe
 
@Ell lol
 
11:09 AM
welp
 
I should make some food
 
@Ell cloud-line interface?
 
I guess I don’t have a retort
 
A quality pun like that, you can't defeat
 
Ell
@Puppy something like that :P
 
11:10 AM
Yeah but you did the 'setup' yourself. It didn’t come up naturally.
 
I'm installer like that
 
I'm glad I don't get your joke.
> Dude pees in his own mouth at concert. NSFW
Good job.
 
well at least you can't say it wasn't self-inflicted.
 
I almost have an idea how to Dockerize loungecppdotnet
 
@AndyProwl: Well I'm gonna get right on that then. In fact I spent this morning getting on that.
 
11:14 AM
@Puppy :P
 
TMI
Oh hey Starbound update
 
fuckin' finally.
how long has it been, like six months?
 
9 months
 
user1804599
oh it's February
 
user1804599
the worst month of the year
 
11:18 AM
good thing it is short then
 
In some Java projects there is a subpackage spi. What does that mean? What classes/functionality usually belongs to spi subpackage?
 
user1804599
Service provider interfaces.
 
Service Provider Interface (SPI) is an API intended to be implemented or extended by a third party. It can be used to enable framework extension and replaceable components. == Details == From Java documentation: A service is a well-known set of interfaces and (usually abstract) classes. A service provider is a specific implementation of a service. The classes in a provider typically implement the interfaces and subclass the classes defined in the service itself. Service providers can be installed in an implementation of the Java platform in the form of extensions, that is, jar files placed into...
 
I googled too!
 
wait
you can't construct a std::array from a pair of iterators?
 
11:20 AM
Aggregate
 
It needs a static size
 
bah
ah that makes a bit more sense.
 
user1804599
Nice, preconditions and postconditions.
 
9 mins ago, by Rapptz
Good job.
 
Yeeeeeey
 
11:22 AM
@Rapptz So... it's "Interfaces"?
 
I don't Java.
 
user1804599
115
Q: difference between SPI and API?

kctangWhat is the difference between Service Provider Interface (SPI) and Application Programming Interface (API)? More specifically, for Java libraries, what makes them an API and/or SPI?

 
It's not really a necessary convention but then again Java conventions rarely are
 
hmm
container::value_type should be a real value type and not a reference type, right?
 
with std::allocator<T>, yeps
doubt even a custom allocator is going to make reference types work
 
11:28 AM
got it
turns out I did a decltype(*opt) directly instead of decaying it.
 
Oh Luc.
How'd you do your thing?
I showed you mine.
 
Variadic composition?
 
Ell
Man seeing that blocked pirate pay really makes me feel uncomfortable
 
4 hours ago, by Luc Danton
@Rapptz I kinda have an example sitting around, but I’m hesitant to show it—I don’t want to rob you of the experience of figuring out things on your own.
 
Ell
Oohhh burrrrn
 
11:29 AM
k, wait a tick I’m fighting plants
 
Damn it's 6:30 AM.
 
Ell
damn indeed
 
user1804599
No, it's 12:33.
 
pony wins
 
user1804599
"merkins" rhymes with "gherkins"
 
11:38 AM
@Rapptz here, it’s not lazy eval though
 
user1804599
Hi Jens, could you please be more specific with the exact syntax. Thanks. — slayer Iam 2 hours ago
 
user1804599
what an asshole
 
user1804599
I want this control structure:
 
user1804599
final if (…) { … } else if (…) { … }
 
user1804599
which would be equivalent to this:
 
11:44 AM
@LucDanton neat
 
user1804599
if (…) { … } else if (…) { … } else { throw "fuck"; }
 
user1804599
And similar for switch.
 
@Rapptz I like the second example better btw
 
I finally know what my solution lacks
 
user1804599
wiat what larry wall works at cragislist
 
11:49 AM
Actually.. don't know.
Maybe the system I have at the moment isn't so bad and I'm just beating myself up over nothing.
I'll find out when I wake up tomorrow I guess.
 
@Rapptz Ah.
 
user1804599
WHAT THE FUCK
 
user1804599
WHY CAN VLC NOT STREAM TWO VIDEOS AT ONCE
 
user1804599
Ugh, I have to open VLC twice.
 
user1804599
What a piece of shit. I bet it uses globals.
 
11:56 AM
Uh it's designed to play one thing per instance like every player ever
The hell did you expect it to do
 
user1804599
I don't see why there would be this retarded restriction.
 
What, you want tabs in VLC?
 
@CatPlusPlus Apparently it's a problem with my uni students mailing list.
 
user1804599
No, side-by-side windows.
 
11:58 AM
Try our new video player, now with the additional feature with which you can view multiple videos at once!
@рытфолд You have a window manager for that.
 
Every mail is sent to all students.
 
Hi guys, btw
Happy Sunday
 
user1804599
@rubenvb Yes, but it'd help if VLC actually had a way to open multiple windows without opening VLC twice.
 
Like there's a fucking difference
 
@рытфолд "I wish it could do something without doing exactly that something"
Oh who am I talking to anyways
 

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