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8:00 PM
wtf is Google Update
UAC popped up
spontaneously
 
@Ell I tell them when their answer doesn't cut it...
 
that's never happened
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit chrome thingie, likely (assuming nobody uses Desektop Search anymore)
 
> Desektop Search
 
never had it before tho :/
 
8:01 PM
lol
 
Google Drive too.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The alternative is saying "Upvoted" or "Downvoted".
 
@wilx Only Doom or all 1st person shooters?
 
@Rapptz How is a leading "Downvoted:" better than a leading "-1:" ? :(
 
It isn't.
 
or are you just suggesting it as a workaround
 
8:03 PM
Yes.
 
He's noting it as a possible workaround
 
@FredOverflow Doom in particular. At least the classical one.
 
Too many keystrokes, so I've largely just stopped giving feedback. Shog wins, OP loses.
 
I don't really get it. There are sooooooo many things wrong/not optimal about SO and its users. And yet you keep ranting about this. For months, I surmise
 
8:04 PM
Huh? I'm not "ranting" about it at all. You're still making shit up? Someone posted a link to a post on Meta about it and someone else asked what the situation/problem was. I explained it.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Really? I find this hard to believe. Are you sure you're not just falling out of love with SO again?
 
@sehe yes, I'm sure.
unplonking you sure didn't last long
though in my defence I did predict this
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh. Well. I am terribly sorry I perceived your continued argumentations about the same subject as a rant :)
 
Ell
how about 𐌣 and ↆ
then you don't even need the 1
 
squares to me :(
 
8:05 PM
looks fine on FF.
 
oooh
yesssssss
Get to work on a userscript, immediately! :D
 
user3325783
How do you skip over white spaces in a file using istream
 
It's automatic. Next
 
std::basic_istream::ignore
 
Are you sure you're asking the right question
 
user3325783
8:06 PM
I thought you had to set flags
 
though it depends what you're really asking
your question is very vague
 
Ell
Or to be consistent, ▲ and ▼
 
The arrows are better.
 
user3325783
say I have two binary numbers in a file. 0001 1000 how do I read the numbers and skip over the whitespace
 
Ell
Though neither of them are actually arrow characters. They are both roman numerals :P
 
8:07 PM
@Jimenemex You need to -not- unset them yes
@Jimenemex You asked this on SO. Goodbye
 
Ell
↑ and ↓ are arrows
I wonder how quickly alcohol is absorbed if I place my nostrils atop a bottle of vodka and breath through them
 
@wilx Because of fast gameplay or ugly graphics? :)
 
Ell
well that's good
 
@FredOverflow I have no idea. It simply does.
 
8:09 PM
@Ell not very
 
I have played it a lot when I was like 15 but now I cannot stomach it.
 
@Jimenemex How do you read the "numbers" at present?
Into what?
 
Ell
I wonder if absolut citron mixed with limoncello will still burn my mouth down
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Come on. Just ogle Stack Overflow. He's obviously posted there
 
Numbers...
Num3rs. Did the show disappear or is it still going on?
 
8:11 PM
It now exists only in leetspeak on IRC
fortunately, I speak leet
 
user3325783
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Just into a char *
 
@Jimenemex huh?
@Jimenemex why into a pointer?
 
user3325783
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why not? lol
 
@Jimenemex that makes no sense. pointers point to things; they do not contain data
 
@Jimenemex lol pointers
 
8:13 PM
Umm, eztv-proxy.net, is it hijacked or something? It keeps spawning and closing windows...
 
user3325783
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's a pointer to a char[]
 
@Jimenemex So you want to read into a char[], in fact
 
Something wrong with a std::string?
 
Ell
it's down for me vOv
 
8:14 PM
@wilx yeah that looks like a well legit site I'm totally gonna click on that
no wait I'm not a cretin
 
user3325783
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes into a char []; Its an assignment and i can't use std::string
 
guh
an assignment for what, programming on an abacus?
 
@wilx you wanna reject certs, I guess i.imgur.com/37TGzDj.png
 
user3325783
@LightnessRacesinOrbit For a very mean professor..lol
 
Ell
Jim I can't understand you friend
 
8:16 PM
@Jimenemex ;p
 
@sehe FF does not seem to have a problem with the certificate.
 
so what feature are you using to read into the char[] so far?
 
@wilx lol
@LightnessRacesinOrbit PLEASE. Stack Overflow. He's posted the shit 19:09Z
 
and we can take it from there
 
user3325783
@LightnessRacesinOrbit istream
 
8:17 PM
@Jimenemex a bit more detail, please?
 
hahaha. This is hopeless. Good job Lightness.
 
there are many ways in which an istream can parse and store characters
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well...
 
@EtiennedeMartel kek
 
user3325783
`int Byte::read(istream & file){
	file.setf(file.skipws);
	file.get(byte, 8);
	return 0;
}`
 
8:19 PM
ITT Lightness is soooo pedantic about question quality on the main site, he's actually going to crawl and dredge the question out of noobs coming to the lounge to promote their shitty question, without even LOOKING at the question on the main site.
7
 
user3325783
as a quick example
 
No offense @Jimenemex; you clearly don't know any better (yet):
Jan 25 at 18:09, by Lightness Races in Orbit
Hi! This room is bound by some rules; if you're new here, please read through them before chatting. Thanks!
^ irony in who posted that message
 
got the UAC again
 
user1804599
@sehe You?
 
certificate expired last year
gg Google or very dodgy
actually maybe it's sloppy Google and that's why I'm getting UAC
 
8:22 PM
@рытфолд I did not. Although I appreciate the ambiguity that you managed to exploit
 
user1804599
Me too.
 
user3325783
@sehe Offenses already made earlier.
 
just relaunched chrome to get its updates "manually"
 
I don't necessarily love programming, but holy shart I do love C++.
java does not compare to C++
 
8:23 PM
@Jimenemex ok; so you're using the unformatted input functions
 
@Jimenemex Mmm? I'm sorry. I'm not sure I follow. Is that referring to the answer on the main site?
 
user3325783
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah
 
unformatted input doesn't care what the input is
so skipping whitespace won't occur
 
@DonLarynx It appears you've reached the wrong room
 
tell us more about the desired state of the char[] after the read operation
wait what
what the fuck is that
 
8:24 PM
Oh sweet. Well guys. Have fun without me.
 
@sehe I was programming some classes in java and I was turned off by it.
 
validated because moron
 
Ell
@sehe See you some time sehe :)
 
people like C++?
 
@sehe: They must be using a valid certificate authority, at least according to the certs installed on Ubuntu.
 
8:25 PM
this catch test lib is neat but its macros kill syntax highlighting in my editor :[
 
@Pris What?
 
user3325783
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the char [] should contain the input read from the file
 
you're still being really vague
 
@wilx i was being sarcastic
 
contain what, precisely?
 
8:26 PM
@Pris I like C++.
 
and in what form?
 
user3325783
the char [] should contain 8 characters from within the file. So calling it again will retrieve the next 8
 
@Jimenemex 0011 0001 is 9 characters
Do you mean that your char array contains { '0', '0', '1', '1', '0', '0', '0', '1', '\0' }?
 
I'm really sad that apparently the bulk of loungers don't even object anymore. Have you all got LRIO plonked?
 
user3325783
@milleniumbug assuming the file contains 8-bit binary. Ex) 11111111 00000000
 
Ell
8:29 PM
@sehe Not currently
I just ignore him manually
 
@RichardDawkins If I was a baby girl in a muslim country, I'd strangle myself with my own umbilical cord.
 
Yeah Yeah. Well, I'm still sad.
 
user3325783
If I call the method once i should receive 11111111. A second time should get 00000000
 
@Jimenemex Every file is a sequence of bytes.
So they're 8-bit
That said, your question is ambiguous, rethink it
 
7 hours ago, by rubenvb
A couple weeks ago, I thought the Lounge was dissolving. Today, I am reassured.
I'm not so sure now
 
user1804599
8:30 PM
I don't understand typeglobs.
 
user3325783
every call should receive 8 characters from the file. corresponding to the 8-bit binary strings from within the file
 
user1804599
@wilx What a racist.
 
@wilx edgy
 
Ell
@sehe :/
 
@Jimenemex That said, sehe answered your question here: stackoverflow.com/a/28267297/1012936
Does it not satisfy you, or what
If you're not allowed to use std::strings there, then use your char arrays there instead
 
8:33 PM
What's with the flags?
 
user1804599
They are being dismissed by me.
 
updated in case you can't uhse std::string (why don't you tell us?) — sehe 46 secs ago
@рытфолд I don't understand Perl
 
user1804599
How come?
 
user1804599
I want to understand typeglobs.
 
@milleniumbug somehow the world is in upside-down mode
@Mysticial ^
 
8:37 PM
The "Lightness Races to Indignity" conversation has been moved to chat. — Shog9 ♦ Jan 21 at 17:26
just spotted this
flagged
 
@рытфолд I thought you meant the typeglobs were being dismissed :) I get it now
 
@Mysticial what were they on? missed
 
14 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
validated because moron
truly upside down. bad acting, or too many shrooms
 
+1: giggle @MarkAmery — Lightness Races in Orbit 10 secs ago
wait what
guys I think the block has gone
 
That's just meta.
 
8:42 PM
oh :(
 
Lemme test the main site.
 
seriously
so it's okay on meta but not on main
yeah still on on main
 
Yeah, still on main. Tried on one of my own posts.
 
that's even more retarded. so it is now only about rep loss or something?
 
@sehe that was flagged ... :( ... play safe...
 
8:44 PM
he knows bro
 
ok
 
do you know bro?
bro is a good guy so you should meet him if not
-2
Q: Setting a definition as a keyword of class, what happens?

Daniel EugenWell i can define whatever keyword i want using #define something then use it besides the class or struct or enum declaration so what is this used for, it seems that it adds nothing but it must be there for a use #define abstract #define nonabstract nonabstract abstract class Class{ public: ...

lol
 
"excuse me but c++ seems to have some more dark corners than c#"
well he(?)'s right on point there
but that first comment doesnt leave much room for doubt
 
@rene I should not be required to play safe, really. I didn't say anything out of the ordinary. It's just @Jimenemex who barged in and spammed the room with his SO question (the main site is for that).
And to my surprise, our loudest troll goes on to feed him and drag the question out of him. I mean, it's already answered on the main site but person in question is too busy help-vampiring here to notice.
I don't think I get it. But I don't think it's worth getting upset over if said user + said troll decide to flag me for speaking up
 
@sehe @рытфолд cool stuff
 
user1804599
8:52 PM
what is zilte
 
never heard of it myself before
 
user1804599
The Dutch like salt.
 
@sehe Sure, I only have the habbit to drop in the room to let a user know there has been a flag. I'm not bothered ...
 
@StackedCrooked Me neither. It this the onion? Inb4 "hoge cholestorol door zilte aardappelen"
 
8:53 PM
you don't need to let anyone know
SO chat has a GUI
 
user1804599
There's so much salt on highways that plants that normally only grow near the sea now live next to highways as well.
 
user1804599
I also ate salt today.
 
@rene :) Thanks I guess (but fyi as a 10k+ user I get the notification myself; I just can't vote on my own message)
 
@sehe ping me if you need me to click invalid .... ;)
 
@rene Why? It's an ecosystem here. I don't feel it's right to meddle with the control measures
 
8:55 PM
@rene Please do not recruit people for moderation vote fraud.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He's not recruiting. Looks like he's volunteering. Equally iffy, but makes a difference
 
Vote invalid if you think it's invalid, not because someone else "needs" you to. Cheers & hth.
so I should probably be at the pub by now.
 
Sure thing. And I don't mean the Tavern
 
Pfff, did someone already tell you are difficult?
 
tell*
And hell do we know :)
 
8:58 PM
buh, this is a dumb question, but how do you save a variable of a path which has spaces in it? Keeps breaking at the first occurance of a space
 
rofl. I'm not even reading it any more
 
@rene Difficult if you make no sense yeah
bbl
 
I solved this for f(10^9) and f(10^10)
Solution isn't optimal enough for f(10^12)
 
"optimal enough" is a nice linguistic DOS device
 
(Yes, it's brute-force-esque)
It can satisfy the one-minute rule, but my problem is space rather than time ;~;
 
9:01 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit since when is making sense mandatory?
 
"*tries to start up a flag vote rigging ring*" "Please don't start up a flag vote rigging ring." "Man, you're difficult." o.o
 
Funny thing is that if I had 32GB of RAM instead of 16, my solution would run ^_^
 
bbl for real now ;p
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun use the HDD
and wait longer
 
I considered that, but then I remembered I'm not Mysticial
 
9:05 PM
how many Mysticials does it take to save 2GB of data on a HDD?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit things are not mutually exclusive. He was out of line, and you're difficult
If it's of any consolation, I'm not interested in pity invalidations. Not even grudge invalidations. You can have your playground if enough people feel that it's ok for you to behave in it like you do.
 
How many?
 
I don't know I did not prepare that part of the joke yet
jesus christ you want me to do everything
 
@AlexM. one picoMysticial
 
Also, I realized, even if I did have enough memory for the sieve, I need 48GB alone to store all the primes.
Welp, I guess sieve is not the answer then.
I have a 'closed form' for the problem, but it has integrals in it
 
9:09 PM
:D
 
@AlexM. Use the HDD Luke ghostly voice
 
You know what? Fuck it
I have lots of space, I'll use the HDD
I hope I don't fuck it up
 
user1804599
> remove_dir_sep($path)
This functions removes a trailing path separator, if there is one, from its argument
 
user1804599
dat function name
 
An infinite loop here would fuck me up more than an infinite loop that does writes to memory
 
9:11 PM
okeydokey
up to 85 successes.
now I've gotta re-run because I didn't list which ones were still fails
 
user1804599
I think Dave Karp looks like a Magikarp.
 
@рытфолд smart comments is now the hip term for conditional compilation. Meh
 
user1804599
What?
 
user1804599
It inserts comments in the source file containing the values of variables from the last run.
 
9:43 PM
1 hour ago, by sehe
I'm really sad that apparently the bulk of loungers don't even object anymore. Have you all got LRIO plonked?
Yes I have him plonked, because he annoying as hell
but sometimes I have to "show messages" to follow a conversation
but I agree with your sentiment @sehe
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion same here
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion same here
 
liar
and stop being hypocrites
seeking people to "object" to your perceived injustice at being plonked when you start attacking and whatnot, while immediately thereafter your "supporters" immediately launch a personal attack
fun times in the Lounge!
 
so let me do that simply. than this types of things you wont find in my answers. — Osama Bin Omar 3 mins ago
@Osama Bin Omar Then let me put this simply: In this case none of your answers is one according the policies of this site. — πάντα ῥεῖ 53 secs ago
 
user1804599
9:47 PM
> Constructs whose specimens are obtained by concatenating specimens of constructs of zero or more specified constructs
 
user1804599
dat class description
 
hi from pub is what I came here to say
 
@рытфолд wtf
 
user1804599
The class name is AGGREGATE.
 
user1804599
I'm extremely puzzled.
 
9:48 PM
That description is really confusing
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In pub on Sunday? Naughty boy!
 
what does it even mean?
 
it's ok i have learnt to simply accept that many of you are hateful hypocrites and to let you get on with your lives in that manner :)
@wilx i know :(((( couldn't help it
 
user1804599
No idea.
 
user1804599
It's related to parsing.
 
9:49 PM
it's usually a lovely quiet night but there are hoodlums in tonight -.-
 
user1804599
I think it's an AST thing.
 
user1804599
> Data structures of the most general kind, having the potential ability to become full, and characterized by their implementation properties.
 
rightfold are you coming to unconference 2.0
i want to ask you some questions about scala
and whether it's at all scalable
 
lol
 
ahhhhhh these fuxking hoodlums
stfu you're standing right next to each other for god's sake
auuuuughhh
wish i could plonk in real life
 
user1804599
9:56 PM
> Objects that represent the stone can be transported.
 
user1804599
lol these class descriptions are so cryptic without more context
 
// does something
 
who uses the word 'hoodlum'
is this the 1970s all of a sudden
 
meeeeeee
mostly ironically
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: Why are you even chatting in Lounge when you are in a pub? :)
 
9:58 PM
my grandma used to
 
Is a C# task a monad?
 
No, it's a burrito.
 
@wilx multitasking. dont need to spend every sec talking with the locals. it's "chill out at the bar" night. usually only a couple people here
 
@JohanLarsson A nomad maybe
 
but, tonight, hoodlums.
 
user1804599
10:00 PM
@JohanLarsson Try implementing SelectMany and a function that takes a value of type T and creates a value of type Task<T> from it.
 
user1804599
Futures are typically monads. I don't know anything about Task.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Your grandma used to chat in the c++lounge, while staying in a pub? Grand grandmother you have ;-)
 
user1804599
> Constructs whose specimens are specimens of constructs chosen among a specified list.
 
@рытфолд You'll need a Closure for tasks, that's similar.
 
user1804599
> Constructs whose specimens are sequences of specimens of a specified base construct, delimited by a specified separator
 
10:06 PM
expressing things in CS lingo is effective obfuscation
@рытфолд If things go well Reed will come and teach us F#.
 
user1804599
Cool.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion oh I get it now.
 
user1804599
A construct is something like "if statement" or "for loop" and a specimen is a particular instance of one of those.
 
user1804599
> You have starred and pinned this message.
 
user1804599
No, I haven't pinned it.
 
user1804599
10:09 PM
I can't even pin in this room. WTF.
 
Oh my God
I computed f(10^11)
 
user1804599
Where f = const 42.
 
That feel when you are writing unnecessary code for 2 hours when the code you needed was already in your program
 
user1804599
Congrats.
 
Yet f(10^12) remains far from my reach
@DonLarynx Did you try problems 500 and 501 yet?
 
10:11 PM
Hi @MohammadAliBaydoun
 
500 was easy peasy <:
501 is getting to me. I computed f(10^9), f(10^10), f(10^11),
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun No time, I've been working on algorithms for my classes ever since we last talked :o
 
but f(10^12) is beyond my algorithm in terms of space complexity
 
Maybe use C#?
It handles bigints
 
I don't need bigints, I need memory :D
 
10:12 PM
Buy a hard drive lol
 
Unless you have a prime counting function that works in sub-linear time
I have a closed form for this thing in terms of the prime counting function.
 
user1804599
Parallelise it.
 
I need 54GB of space to compute f(10^12) right now.
I'm trying to look for more insights
 
user1804599
Compress memory.
 
user1804599
Use swap.
 
user1804599
10:16 PM
Use more efficient data structures.
 
re starred and pinned i reported that on meta the other week
upboat pls
 
user1804599
Ask Mysticial.
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit wrong meta
 
fuxking meta split now i have to search for it on two sites
 
I don't want to ask him, he'll laugh at me ;~;
 
10:20 PM
272383
argh
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Q: Chat transcript thinks I pinned a message. I didn't

Lightness Races in Orbit I'd starred this message, but now the message dropdown is suggesting that I'd also pinned it. In truth, not only is the message not pinned at all, but I'm not a room owner (sniff) so I couldn't make it so even if I wanted to (which I sorta do, come to think of it). I've done some digging and ...

yeah it's the wrong one :(
right bug tho so upboat anyway
anyway you fell for my trap and proved you didnt plonk me so hah
back to the drink
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I did, but there is a button to show messages until I refresh the page.
 
user1804599
Which I now did.
 
user1804599
Time to sleep.
 
@DonLarynx Languages don't handle bigints, you cretin. Only libraries do.
 
Ell
Languages have libraries
 
10:41 PM
OOps..I retract my statement. Libraries handle bigints
 
@рытфолд But I just finished my first working RB tree implementation :(
For some reason, ideone seems to think ' denotes string literals in Haskell?
 
10:57 PM
why the fuck does this function return void? it clearly returns bool.
 
@IInspectable that link amounts to opinion, it provides no citations or data to back up the claims it makes. I'm not saying that they aren't valid assertions. I'm just saying that asserting it absolutely cannot be done seems premature. — Mgetz 3 mins ago
seriously why do people bother... it's a closed question anyway, I get the feeling they are just being a linux zealot
 
11:09 PM
@Puppy Hmm...I suppose you could make that a tautology by simply defining anything that handles bigints to be a library, but short of that it's simply false in at least some cases (e.g., in most Lisp essentially all integer computations are done to arbitrary precision).
 
I'd only define them as done by the language if the compiler emits direct handling of them, rather than farming them out as method calls to a library.
 
wtf
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Q: Solving bits equations

user2660964I have the bit equation: x + y = x | y How to solve this equation? Maybe there is any algorithm? Where can i read about it? Ofcause i simply tried to solve it like this (in Pascal): uses crt; var x,y,k,count:integer; begin readln(x,k); count:=0; for y:=1 to 10000 do if((x+y) = ...

 
which I guess you could argue is an implementation detail
but there's certainly no guarantee that just because the compiler presents a unified front that they're actually handled in-language.
simple example: exceptions
 
11:36 PM
@Puppy I'd argue that to get meaningful results, you nearly have to do so. Otherwise, I could argue (for example) that 16-bit math in C as being done by the library, not the language. Yes, I know of a couple implementations that did that...
 
I've just realised that growing up you get to know more people (due to work or life in general), but the relationships you have with them is much less intimate. And that would explain why loving relationships are much stronger than in younger ages.
And that would also explain why some people tend to feel alone even if they are not physically alone.
 
@JerryCoffin I think it's a question of degree. If you polled C implementations and found that 90% of them did it as the library, and then also it was complex and unchanging enough that emitting code to do it directly was probably insane, I might agree that 16-bit math in C was a library feature.
 

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