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10:00 PM
@sehe How the fck am i trolling? We're having a halfway serious discussion, something very rare in this Lounge. I'm just trying to clarify what a language lawyer is according to Lightness, because her definition is obviously different from mine.
 
@Loopunroller Then why phrase the question so lop-sided that it suggests a rhetorical nature... If you're really interested in discussing this calmly rational arguments both ways, you'll really need to be more careful in the wording.
Believe me, I know. (I know! It's not fair! Buhuhuhuh. There's no need for things to be fair. It's just a question of how motivated you are to keep leading the bull to the cloth, or changing the pattern)
 
@sehe Okay, i will. Thanks.
 
You're too kind to silly little boys, @sehe.
 
@Loopunroller You don't know any of that, because none of the parties involved have stepped beyond the "you're not good enough for the label" quarrel.
 
10:02 PM
Makes me suspicious
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sigmund Freud said that women are jealous of a mans penis. Just saying
 
@Loopunroller Shit, I'll keep an eye out for that problem
Y'know, just in case it turns out Freud wasn't all but completely debunked in the ensuing decades
 
meh, divine divinity crashed on me again
sometimes I think I should just buy a second hand pentium 4 pc or something to play oldies on
 
> "How the fck am I trolling"
I'd say, pretty hard, but not very stylish. 6/10 would watch again
 
Xeo
@rightfold What a late reply!
 
10:04 PM
@Xeo He was searching for "rightfold cock" in the transcript. Took three months to filter through all the occasions on which he was simply being called one.
 
user1804599
Mint chocolate is almost as disgusting as brushing teeth after eating chocolate.
 
he just ate mint chocolate for the first time in his life.
A memorable mistake
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Just "rightfold" and sorting by star count.
 
@rightfold what. before, surely
 
Actually. I think that "rightfold vagina" will yield more results
 
user1804599
10:06 PM
@sehe 1 vs 0
 
@sehe Any of what? The fact that we had a serious discussion? (In case you wonder, we:={Lightness, me})
By the way, the definition of trolling includes the act of provocating and deviling. That constitutes the difference between trolling and acting(/being) stupid. I don't think i provoked anyone. Lightness was just having fun by overloading my inferior intelligence :p
 
I wonder how reliable CRT monitors used to be... or still are
CRT monitors still exist, right?
 
@Loopunroller s/provocated/provoked/
 
user1804599
Alex let's cuddle.
 
@rightfold The Alex part aside, I wish a girl would say that to me :P
 
10:13 PM
@JerryCoffin It sucks when you're trying to make a point and someone has to fix your grammatical errors for you...
 
user1804599
@Borgleader Let's cuddle.
 
Ell
@Borgleader aww
 
@AlexM. They were quite reliable as a rule. Yes, a few still exist (I've seen some in use within the last few weeks).
 
I'm still waiting on them fancy OLED monitors. Been hearing about them for ages.
 
@Loopunroller Make a better point and I'll worry less about your grammar. :-)
 
10:15 PM
@rightfold yes
 
user1804599
<3
 
@JerryCoffin I'm a bit worried about getting a used one though
then again
nothing says oldschool gaming like a 1024x768 CRT
 
damnnn
Scarlett just not quite making it against Cure :(
 
computers made out of plants. ladies and gentlemen the future
 
@JerryCoffin ☑ wrecked ☐ not wrecked
 
10:16 PM
@Borgleader Hmmm...not holding my breath. Still remember the Sony 18" (or thereabouts--not huge, anyway) they were selling for something like $10K (well, asking $10K for it--doubt they really sold many).
 
@Borgleader They don't seem to have been able to bring the cost down.
 
@rightfold we should totally get together
 
how about a private unconference with just me and you
 
TIL this is what scarlett looks like now o.o
 
user1804599
10:17 PM
@AlexM. INDEED
 
she's way hotter with red hair and the new style
 
ikr
@JerryCoffin o.o 10k holy crap...
 
40 mins ago, by Loopunroller
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No.
 
@AlexM. Hmm...now I feel old (I remember when 1024x768 was what most of us lusted for, after seeing it in expensive CAD rigs). Nothing says really old school gaming like Spacewar on a mainframe.
 
well that's relative anyway
oldschool for me traces back to my first PC
 
10:20 PM
I used to play WoW on a 16" 1024x768 monitor (back in the day)
 
which was a pentium 3 paired with 128 mb ram and a 4mb ati 3d rage pro
 
Oh wow. Spends half a second to come up with intricate, witty, response, deletes in ~15 seconds.
 
hooked to a (probably) 1024x768 crt
 
user1804599
ugh
 
user1804599
why the fuck do videos show the speaker instead of the goddamn slides
 
10:22 PM
makes sense if the slides are hosted along with the video i guess
 
user1804599
In the video or bust.
 
@Mysticial this was linked on hackernews zinascii.com/2014/the-8-byte-two-step.html
@Mysticial that profiling code is so bad :(
 
@sehe She said it first.
 
> Kore is an ultra fast, safe and robust web framework for developing web applications in C.
holy fucking shit
who gave those guys matches
@sehe please tell me you retweeted this for the lulz
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz lol, web development
 
10:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz lol C
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ergh, I can do with out that please.
 
I find it hard to believe that anything written in C could be robust.
 
@Puppy I've seen some fairly foolproof 'hello world' programs in C
 
@BartekBanachewicz indeed I did. Also, because it's worth spreading impopular/improbable facts.
People should know what is being done.
 
@thecoshman They probably didn't check printf's return value.
 
10:29 PM
@Puppy It does quite an adequate job of adding 1 and 1. 2 and 2, however, starts to become more questionable. :-)
 
@Puppy like I said, 'fairly' :P
 
@sehe yes I agree we should raise awareness about C or cancer in general
 
@Puppy Does one get a warning?
 
I don't believe the compiler issues an error or warning for being so stupid as to code in C.
 
1
A: Web GUI for C++ console application?

seheI doubt that this is what you want, but there is PoCo http://pocoproject.org/docs/Poco.Net.HTTPServer.html It has a HTTPServer/HTTPRequestHandler model that supports a kind of server kind scripting in C++ (like <?php ... ?> but with C++); see here for sample: <%@ page class="TimeHandler" %> <...

I should add this for perspective :)
 
10:30 PM
@Puppy There are cases where checking errors doesn't accomplish a lot. If it can't even print out "hello world" correctly, the chances of 1) catching the error correctly, and 2) printing or logging that result are fairly remote.
 
@Puppy warning: Using the C Programming Language is deprecated. Use C++ instead. [-Wcishit]
2
 
I would have starred -Wcisshit, but your change just makes me feel like you're 10 years old and I refuse to star your message now.
 
@Puppy I felt it was the other way around. Too late now
 
@Puppy printf in hello world? FAIL
 
user1804599
#ifndef __cplusplus
#error cancer
#endif
 
10:33 PM
@sehe What should you use in C? puts?
 
user1804599
@sehe Should definitely use puts instead.
 
user1804599
Or fwrite and stdout.
 
user1804599
Or libpython.
 
10 hours ago, by sehe
@JohannesSchaub-litb /cc @Rapptz http://ideone.com/RmgIu5
 
@Loopunroller puts is the best one
 
10:34 PM
hello
 
Ell
I think system("echo 'Hello, World!'"); is most efficient
 
@StackedCrooked interestingly, I think g++ optimizes printf with no format directives into puts
 
Lounge<CodeGolf>
 
@sehe Yes. But there still has to be a declaration of printf, i think? It's not like an intrinsic.
 
Not very relevant, different stages of the compiler. I wouldn't be surprised if g++ was using intrinsics for some of these standard library functions
 
10:36 PM
certainly not printf or puts.
I believe you can use printf without a declaration but GCC warns about implicitly declaring it.
 
@StackedCrooked And as an encore, can we presume that you're going to inform us about exactly how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
 
@thecoshman it's SO good
 
@JerryCoffin Did you read "Uncle Oswald"?
 
I used C last week. Hopefully, the out-patient treatment will be efficacious..
 
Loopunroller should be Poopunposter
 
10:37 PM
@sehe Doesn't sound familiar, so I doubt it.
 
My Uncle Oswald is an adult novel written by Roald Dahl. The novel stars Uncle Oswald, a character who previously appeared in "The Visitor" and "Bitch", two short stories also written by Roald Dahl (and which can be both found in the book Switch Bitch). In his 1980 review, Vance Bourjaily said: What can be said is that "My Uncle Oswald" provides four or five hours of effortless reading and some amusing scenes, mostly of the kind film makers have taught us to call soft porn—so soft, indeed, that at times they turn out almost fluffy. The tone is that of a gentleman telling ribald anecdotes to his...
> Mr. Dahl's guests are not invited to vicarious orgy, then, nor will they hear a disguised lecture by a wicked satirist of morals and manners.... Summer reading.
Indeed, I read it this summer. It is summer reading.
 
bedtime
SO tired
laterons
 
SO has been tired for some years now
 
@sehe Forgot to write 'mv main.cpp main.c && gcc...'
Nice little hack from Bartek.
 
@sehe I may take a look sometime, but it doesn't sound particularly compelling.
 
10:41 PM
Ah. I refuse to actually compile with gcc for matters of principle.
(The principle being that I'll be lazy no matter what)
 
@JerryCoffin It isn't compelling. It is nice when drinking wine. I do think it would very much appeal to your sense of words. It did for me
 
@sehe ... doesn't make sense to me.
 
shock horror
 
@sehe I'll try to keep it in mind--Dahl was certainly accomplished, both as a story-teller and a word-smith.
 
10:43 PM
@Loopunroller Are you aware that one can compile most C programs in C++ mode?
 
@sehe Yes.
 
Well then, add to this knowledge the inside information that I'm too lazy to switch compilers for no good reason
 
@sehe Ahh, it was about the two characters? :)
 
@sehe For the lazy: s/of the fact //
 
@Loopunroller Surely referring to Loops Unrolling Over The Orbit
 
10:45 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit unce unce unce unce, no thanks
 
user1804599
 
Made me laugh an embarassingly loud nerd laugh
 
user1804599
Like a screaming pig.
 
Without the screaming, that was completely accurate. :S
 
user1804599
10:48 PM
sehe the pig.
 
Eight Sheep
Pee highest
 
user1804599
After Eight :kots:
 
I like it. "met mate"
 
@rightfold Not only irrelevant, but false. The US government rolls. It's far too fat to run.
 
user1804599
It funrolls.
 
10:52 PM
@rightfold Nearly star-worthy.
 
@JerryCoffin It rolls bank rolls
 
user1804599
@sehe Ik neuk met niemand anders.
 
@sehe ...and like most modern governments, it bankrolls banks.
 
user1804599
@sehe PeeHaa
 
Zing
@rightfold long time ago that
 
user1804599
10:53 PM
Sausage roll.
 
inb4 barrel roll
 
user1804599
barrel roll
 
@rightfold Beaten barrel roll.
 
11 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
shock horror
 
user1804599
-funroll-barrel
 
10:56 PM
@rightfold Avoid loops; prefer barrel shifter.
 
user1804599
Speaking of -funroll-loops, I should implement loop unrolling.
 
user1804599
It's probably fun.
 
user1804599
But first inlining.
 
@rightfold What do you work on?
 
@Loopunroller Chatting, mostly.
Oh wait. That's probably me.
 
user1804599
11:03 PM
@Loopunroller an optimising compiler.
 
@rightfold Opti-mice-ing?
 
user1804599
Currently it already transforms let x = 1; let y = x + 2 to let x = 1; let y = 3!
 
@rightfold And what's the output language?
 
user1804599
Bytecode, which is then transformed to Lua by the VM.
 
user1804599
I'm too lazy to actually implement a VM, so I just use Lua's instead.
 
11:05 PM
the docs for <system_error> are lacking
 
user1804599
Before I implement inlining, I should implement elimination of referentially transparent expressions of which the results aren't used. They occur after constant folding.
 
@Rapptz What? You consider: "Mostly harmless" to be inadequate?
 
it seems promising
I could read Boost.System's docs I guess
 
user1804599
So let x = 1; let y = x + 2 would become let y = 3, not let x = 1; let y = 3.
 
but I don't know the differences between that and C++11's.
 
11:10 PM
it doesn't, by and large
 
?
 
AFAIK it's just an implementation of the stdlib feature for implementations that don't provide it
 
@Puppy That's a good point. I haven't taken any pictures recently that were even close to worthy of a "buy enlarge". I should work on that.
 
@Puppy Boost.System came first.
well
This seems rather nice (?)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It was, indeed, mind-blowingly depressing. I tried pushing my fingers in my ears but, as my nails are long and jagged, I just cut my ear:(
 
11:19 PM
@Rapptz Don't put it like that.
 
Edit: nvm.
 
@Rapptz Well, that's new and unusual:(
 
> Overriding the virtual function message(int ev) creates an compiler error, because enum class can not implicitly converted into int
lol what
Did the standard library really not think about this? :s
 
Does anyone like the new host of equals three? Robby Motz tries to be funny but isn't in the end.
 
11:24 PM
Oh nvm.
The code that makes the std::error_code casts it to int.
 
11:41 PM
I decided to use regex, now I have two problems
 
Does VS C++ have something like python's r"literal \string" or @"Literal \String"?
 
R"(Literal \String)" C++11
 
Ell
What is that?
 
Raw string literals I believe
 
11:49 PM
@OMGtechy Correct.
 
He meant the picture.
 
Ell
I don't know what those are
 
Escape characters are not "converted"
so \n stays as \n, not a newline
 
Or not.
How does Ell not know about raw strings?!
 
@Rapptz Why does that surprise you?`
 
Ell
11:50 PM
I'll leave it ambiguous so neither of you can be wrong ;)
 
I've never had to use one myself, I just know they exist.
 
mainly useful for regex
 
Although I can think of a few use cases now...
 
@OMGtechy I use them whenever i get a largemultiline string i copy and paste into the code.
 
@Loopunroller ooo, so if the string it multiple lines long it'll add the line endings?
 
11:51 PM
For small ones, a forward slash satisfies
 
Ell
I wish USB would click in
Micro USB
 
And not having to escape backslashes in file paths would be a nice use case, although I personally prefer the forward slash anyway.
 
Ell
Instead of wiggling themselves out :S
 
R"(abc
def
gh)"
is equivalent to
"abc\ndef\ngh"
 
@Ell indeed, my laptop does this a lot
@Loopunroller thanks :)
 
11:52 PM
@Ell Trent 1000, (A350 engine).
 
I may make a blog post about this...
 
fuck its not perfect.
 
Ell
It looked like a rocket jet engine when I first saw it
 
Ell
Woah that looks awesome
 
11:56 PM
@Ell It was, only the little model eclipsed it, (for me).
 

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