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12:00 AM
@sehe An attempt to make classical music mainstream ;)
 
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I think I just woke up half the building.
 
@Borgleader You've seen it before? (Also: "No.")
 
@FredOverflow This room is the one making me horny. Not some lonely room buried on the bottom of SO.chat.
 
@sehe Yes
 
12:01 AM
Dropped my bicycle lock down the stairs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You should have used an atomic lock. No other thought could have prevented the locking process.
 
1,587 GBPS, most likely google fiber. I knew fiber was good for you.
 
@aclarke Isn't most of the data redundant?
 
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@FredOverflow DON'T TELL THE POPE!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes For what purpose?
 
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12:02 AM
actually, do
 
Er.
What do you mean, "purpose"?
 
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@Nooble talk about the internet pipes
 
Why did you drop it down the stairs?
 
Why not
 
Because I'm a clumsy dumbass.
 
12:03 AM
*Classy
 
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@FredOverflow to see if that old lady was down there hovering again
 
@FredOverflow I don't think you can even get 37.5 MB in 3 sec. on 4G.
 
LEL
He has a point
 
mind broken...
What is an atomic lock
 
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12:04 AM
4G is upto 300Mbs i thought
 
They throttle
 
Mb != MB btw
 
@sehe A lock powered by Uranium?
 
4G means nothing but 4th generation.
 
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@Nooble are we back on the sex subject again? heard a few Michael Hutchence jokes yesterday...
 
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12:05 AM
@OMGtechy Wot. Eva.
 
@aclarke ?
 
@Nooble So... Voyager? I stopped somehwere in DS9 back in the days.
 
@FredOverflow Lol
 
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@OMGtechy Mb MB, tomato, tomato
 
Voyager 1 is the fastest man made object, currently travelling at over 17km/s relative to the sun.
 
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12:07 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes except for biological media
 
Oh wait. Star Trek.
 
I'd like to send a relative to the sun.
At double that speed
 
@sehe Why the hurry? They'd be long dead before being anywhere near the sun.
lol Patrick Stewart:
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I feel sorry for Jupiter, having some of it's energy stolen. Now it's orbit will decay and it will plummet into the sun in about 367 billion years or so
 
I love his voice on American Dad.
 
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12:08 AM
@FredOverflow Max Level
 
@FredOverflow they won't get burned, they will probably launch at night. This leaves a few hours before the sun starts burning again.
 
@aclarke actually, I thought I remember sun burning up in ~5 billion years
 
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@sehe sobering thought for the day - its steady expansion will render earth uninhabitable in about 1 (2?) billion years from now
 
I would be delighted if you replaced it's with its where applicable.
 
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12:10 AM
@FredOverflow WTF is he talking about? Anyone?
 
I read "WHEN YOU MEAN TITS"
 
Its about time that we get it right.
 
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my keyboard has crumbs in it. I keep writing teh and getting other letters backwards
 
Obstacles
 
12:11 AM
@aclarke What do you mean?
 
not nearly as funny as WAT though
 
@Griwes huh, that's actually pretty convincing
 
@StackedCrooked lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit also pretty long ago (did you search for "fappening"?)
 
sizeof vs .length()? @aclarke. Back to the sex jokes please.
 
12:13 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was there when this happened actually.
 
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@Nooble ummmm, ok - you sure you want this? Be careful what you wish for
 
@Nooble Java arrays have .size and strings have .length() and collections have .size()
Who designed this crap?
 
a guy with a small size()
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What?
 
@sehe I was reading the 6th to try to figure out what I did that day ;p
 
12:15 AM
@Griwes "Conspiracy" theories
 
You basically gave away the ending of a brand new film.
 
You all have goldfish memories.
 
@aclarke 4G LTE does have a theoretical maximum bandwidth of 300 MBPS. That requires, however, 4x4 MIMO, and no phone of which I'm aware has more than 2 antennas, which cuts the bandwidth (roughly) in half from the very start. Then you get the fact that you need a very clean connection to get 300 anyway...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What film?
 
@Borgleader I can't remember
 
12:16 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes except rightfold
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are we talking American Dad? :)
No wait, the goldfish has human memories :(
 
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@JerryCoffin Once AlexM finds Miss Right, he'll get the full bandwidth then. Nice clean house 'n all
 
6 mins ago, by FredOverflow
coincidence?
 
My most expensive mouse ever has trouble with left-click.
 
12:18 AM
@FredOverflow Nope
 
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@FredOverflow NOW what?
 
Applying contact cleaner helps for a while.
 
@StackedCrooked It wants food
 
@FredOverflow Oh yeah, I forgot where I originally took the link.
I should really go to sleep.
 
12:19 AM
Is it a Microsoft mouse? In that case, it want's more money
4 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
You all have goldfish memories.
 
@aclarke Have you seen his WAT talk?
 
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@StackedCrooked go into control panel and switch it to left-handed mouse. Then you can enjoy many more right-clicks
 
@FredOverflow wat wat in the...
 
@sehe want's? srsly?
@aclarke Nice workaround. Are you a programmer? :)
 
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12:22 AM
@FredOverflow no, sound is off in the office's
 
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@FredOverflow technical support
 
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no really, programmer
 
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@FredOverflow I worked with a real nutter who was a leftie, so she swapped it and it was FUCKING ANNOYING trying to do any cooperative work with her.
 
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I'm a leftie but I learned long ago that it's probably better to follow standards
 
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(ps was my apostrophing much gooder now?)
 
12:25 AM
^ In response to What are some of the most advance topic in C++?
 
badum chhh
 
So the HDs that I ordered yesterday morning were supposed to take 4 - 7 business days to deliver. They showed up 2 hours ago. LIES!!!! :)
 
@Mysticial Great success!
 
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@Mysticial WOOO! more porn?
 
..... .... .. .... ...
 
12:33 AM
@Mysticial Can I guess you ordered them from Newegg (i.e., that they came from a warehouse in City of Industry, CA)?
 
@FredOverflow type's, want's, who' care's
 
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@sehe join the fun, pressing his buttons'
 
i ♥ a ♥ plus a ♥
 
holy fuck
zlib why?
 
You buttfuck a buttfuck plus a buttfuck?
Butt why
 
12:35 AM
#  define crc32                 z_crc32
#  define crc32_combine         z_crc32_combine
#  define crc32_combine64       z_crc32_combine64
#  define deflate               z_deflate
#  define deflateBound          z_deflateBound
#  define deflateCopy           z_deflateCopy
Why would you do this to me?
 
@JerryCoffin yeah
 
namespaycing. Or "Zlib Pirate Day Memorial Edition"
 
what the hell was wrong with the z prefix?
 
compat? just guessing
 
@Mysticial So basically anything more than ~7 hours was just slacking on their part. :-)
 
12:37 AM
~
 
@JerryCoffin They even offered "2-day shipping" for $30.
 
~_~
 
@Rapptz rofl, wut
 
lame!
 
12:39 AM
@Mysticial Hey, if you'd checked that box, it could have saved you a lot of money--the drives would have been delivered before you finished ordering them!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit We should watch this because?
 
At least it isn't the other way around
that would have really ruined my day
 
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@Borgleader because vacuous american attention-whores are amusing
 
@aclarke I wonder if it's just personal bias that drives me to notice that removing "american" from your sentence appears more likely to improve that sentence than detract from it.
 
@JerryCoffin That makes 2 of us
 
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12:47 AM
@JerryCoffin gosh, I'm not going to be flagged again? You can't separate the person from their culture. Vacuous australian attention-whores, for example, would be different but equally amusing. And so on.
 
@Borgleader Because they're gorgeous and funny and kiss a lot
@aclarke TIL London, England is in America
 
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit hmm - I only went on the title of one of the clips! "welcome to america'
 
those are intelligent and entertaining girls, @aclarke. Try not to be a cunt all your life, yeah?
 
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ok, let me change that ............
 
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit o0h really? i'll see when i see it then
 
12:48 AM
@aclarke judge after watching, not before
 
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's not as much fun
 
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and why judge at all? Are you being judgemental?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit okay. So, I just half survived ~4/5 different episodes. And boy. Episodes is an apt word. Sometimes you have surprisingly bad lapses of judgement.
 
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@sehe so my judgemental approach might be right after all?
 
no comment
 
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12:51 AM
@sehe heh
 
#methinks Talk like a #pirate day be going to serendipitously familiarize many with #harrystyles (Next stop: google) http://t.co/nCHHIqXaiL
 
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well that was a buzzkill. Let's all go emo for 5 minutes.
 
@sehe :(
I find them hilarious
 
@aclarke I suppose somebody might flag you, but it's unlikely to be me. My reaction tends more toward pity than flagging.
 
must be all the cultural differences
 
12:53 AM
Are you cleaning up all them bottles?
 
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@JerryCoffin ITT - people who can't read inflection in words
 
meanwhile, jesus christ i'm tired
cig, bed
brb
 
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without bothing to explain myself - of course i haven't watchjed them yet, so obviously i have no fucking clue what I'm talking about.
 
yeh i know
don't worry about it
lounge.png
 
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12:55 AM
well, I'm not, really!
 
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"having fun is half the fun"
 
halving fun is haf t'fun
as they probably say in leeds
 
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if they prove to be entertaining and enlightening, i'll personally send you a bottle of red
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So this is your porn ?
 
@sehe You're surprised by his poor judgement? Presumably you're also surprised when the sun just keeps rising every morning, and every time you jump in water you end up getting wet?
 
12:58 AM
The latter would surprise me a lot
Also, humour me :)
 
@sehe Oh, all right. I'll try.
 
<runs/><hides/>
 
Reading this answer to my question this morning. There's nothing really hard about understanding forwarding as a value-category-preserving operation.
The concept of universal references seems to have only added complexity.
 
"it's only a universal reference if the type is deduced" etc... All those little complications don't matter if you already think in terms of value categories.
 
1:02 AM
@aclarke woot ;p
night, kids
 
I think.
 
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ciao
 
@StackedCrooked same deal, really. just a slightly different angle / abstraction level. I happen to love the universal references "narrative". Of course, when you're implementing a compiler, you'd be interested in the detailed model
 
@StackedCrooked I'd agree--seems like it was more an attempt at salesmanship ("universal cure for whatever ails you") than a solid, understandable technical description of either what they are or what they should be used to do.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You right now (nsfw)
 
1:05 AM
really.
 
1:19 AM
Holy shit, can this be? I was able to compile and run a Hello World program with clang-VS :D /cc @Puppy they finally got exception stuff in. Great success!
triple checks the compiler setting
Yup, LLVM-vs2013
alright, time to go to bed
happy that i have a new toy
 
I looked myself but can't really find anything, does the standard mandate std::sort uses any particular amount of memory?
 
Afaik std::sort sorts in-place.
 
that's the usual implementation, yes, but is it mandated?
 
I mandate it.
 
@StackedCrooked well, that solves that then
 
1:26 AM
Glad to help.
@Maxpm: I don't know of any implementation of std::sort() that needs to allocate anything, it does sort in place. — Benjamin Lindley Jul 24 '11 at 2:40
Can't find anything better..
 
basically, I have an optimization that can detect well-structured data, at which timsort is great
but timsort allocates stuff
 
1:42 AM
One of my pet peeves.
If they would only not walk in such a way that makes it impossible to walk past them.
I've read complaints about Comcast, but I didn't know it was this bad.
> inject ads into your browser
 
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@StackedCrooked nothing using adblock and ghostery browser plugins can't fix. HTTPS? how long before a condition of use is to allow them to do man-in-the-middle attacks
 
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Aw fuck.
 
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Need to re-enable Unicode
 
Everything else crashed and burned, but the parachutes survived. Great success!
 
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Woo.
 
1:53 AM
@aclarke IIRC the HTTP 2 guys once brewed something like an HTTPS proxy that effectively is an MITM.
 
> Bell Labs achieved 10Gbps speeds over a distance of 30 meters and simultaneous upload and download speeds of 1 Gbps over 70 meters.
So my colleagues weren't joking when they said that DSL speed goes down very badly as the distance increases.
 
Fiber!
 
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Photon.
 
> 305. (Text within parentheses has no normative value.) It can be included for information purposes.
 
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1:58 AM
@MarkGarcia I don't know much about the potential for routers - with 'permission' - to participate in the data of a HTTPS connection, but recently I had to disable 'Microsoft Family Safety' on my boy's laptop because all the https connections were getting a certificate literally owned by M.F.S. and it was messing the hell out of his homework. It's tempting to say 'if microsoft can't get it right' - but then I realised....
 
Question: to print a vector of element with delimiter, how to avoid the last delimiter?
(may I get some local fast hint before going for global reference in google)
I tried to print a "\b" but it seems ugly
 
You add a test.
Or turn the problem around and make it about avoiding the first delimiter.
 
I am thinking on that
yes thats a good one. Thumb up
 
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@modeller by avoiding the first instead
 
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booleans have a nice clicking sound when they are set. They stay set too!
 
2:04 AM
@aclarke thanks for the hint. Test at beginning surely seem simpler
 
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now be off with your homework ;-)
 
not really a pending homework (used to be one.) I was lazy and only assigned this question a "delayed" guarantee of evaluation.
 
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@modeller these homework questions have a distinct smell. it's carried on the Ether(net)
 
Personally I'd include an LCD but make it inaccurate. For example it could have 30 seconds left after 00:00 just to give people that sense of relief before blowing them up. Of course, making it display 5318008 and having the detonator trigger on giggle detection would work too. — moopet 16 hours ago
Absolutely evil.
 
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@MarkGarcia hah - what a sweet question. Umm, Hollywood Plot Device?
 
2:18 AM
Everything becomes Hollywood staple after some time. Even nerds...
 
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any dill with a modicum of electronics skill could easily make a box that is really hard to get into. Come to think of it, this would be an AWESOME way of getting my boy interested. However, might be a risk of people thinking it's actual bomb training...
 
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and we know how easy it is for people to misinterpret what they see
 
Just add a photoresistor and make it generate a detonation signal.
 
sigh.
work queues, man
 
Add a theremin antenna as an extra detonation signal.
 
2:22 AM
And cover the bomb with a digitizer that triggers the bomb when touched.
 
The antenna would blow it before touch.
 
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I hope FBI/KGB/MI5/ASIO don't read this room
 
@aclarke The FBI and the NSA already has a "Is member of Lounge<C++>" checkbox in their profiling checklists.
 
Mask those extra signals during the first t time after boot, to allow safe deployment.
 
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@MarkGarcia heh. Luckily I'm ok because ASIO are recognised as Keystone Spies
 
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2:35 AM
TIL - "you can run a low power current through a blasting cap to test the wires without risking setting it off"
 
You can. From a hundred feet away.
 
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@MarkGarcia if you were doing this with kids, you could use something that throws sprinkles in the air. Surely the wholesome cuteness would negate the sub-text of the actual training?
 
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think i'll stick to Dalek sound-effect boxes...
 
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So I can enumerate fonts and all that cool shit
 
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The problem is, I'm not sure how to make FreeType open a font from a LOGFONT or an HFONT...
 
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2:49 AM
@ThePhD did you manage to get that stuff working on win?
 
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No.
 
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dang
 
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The sources don't work on VC++ because VC++ is a pile of crap.
 
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but you knew that already...
 
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i admire your dogged persistence
 
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2:51 AM
this is a for-fun personal project?
 
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Yes.
 
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Last choice is trying to build this under MinGW
 
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Compiling with ultra-strict C settings
 
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and hoping C's ABI compatibility applies when I link it with my VC++ stuff.
 
Time to open these up:
I haven't bought any hard drives in almost 2 years.
 
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3:05 AM
It's like Christmas
 
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Except better.
 
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I gots wine, popcorn, and I'm watching anime. I could see a lot of people finding that pitiful.
 
@Mysticial All I see is that green rep notification.
Have any of you noticed that chat is getting buggy? (with bugs, not slow)
Lost messages after you hit enter.
Also messages seeming to pop up then hides away.
 
@MarkGarcia Yeah, there's a lot of green on that label.
 
@Lightness is it your real picture in ur profile?
 
3:13 AM
Yes, it's a real picture.
 
@Mysticial "64 MB". The new Intel Iris Graphics has 128 MB L4. Though is the cache any better than your older ones?
I also wonder how HDD caches affect performance.
 
I would think that HD cache is mostly a gimmick.
Obviously you need it, but only up to a certain size.
120 MB/s sequential. That's about as fast as my 7200 RPM 2TB Hitachis.
Last one and I'll stop spamming pictures. :)
 
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3:31 AM
@user3152048 it's a post-op picture - the surgery was very successful don't you think?
 
HDD Caching used to be rather important, but now that we have Superfetch and related technologies, it's mostly just a smaller second level cache that isn't as important or as intelligent.
I wonder if WD ever fixed the motor issue with the Green Series
WD Greens and especially Blues used to be a big money maker for us back when I worked in Data Recovery.
@Mysticial How many drives total? 20? 10? 5? It's hard to get a sense of scale.
 
@OmnipotentEntity 5
 
Raid5? or Raid10 with hot spare?
 
I have 4 of the 2TB WD Green drives. None of them had any issues for me.
@OmnipotentEntity JSOD for different uses in different places.
 
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@Mysticial is it your real hand in ur picture?
 
3:38 AM
And 5 because that was the per customer limit.
@aclarke yes
 
It was a function of volume too. OEMs tend to use the greens and blues. So that had a lot to do with it.
that and the 7200.11 and later 7200.10s with the famous firmware issue.
 
The only problems I've had with HDs in the past 8 years are Seagates failing one after another.
Always with bad sector count.
 
full G-List causing a failure to come ready due to firmware bug? Or SMART failure?
 
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@Mysticial i've only ever had seagates die on me. grrrrrrrrrrr
 
In the past 8 years, I've had about 10 extensively used Seagate drives. 5 of them failed.
 
3:41 AM
one other absurd issue that seagates have is if the translator gets screwed up every sector fails with a checksum mismatch because the LBA is part of the checksum calculation
that really grinded my gears
 
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@Mysticial ugg.
 
I have 12 of those 2 TB 7200 RPM Hitachis. Not a single one has failed. Although one of them occasionally gives CRC errors.
Because they are so reliable, I also use them the most. And they still stand up. Even though most of them are 5 years old now.
 
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@OmnipotentEntity that would explain a few of them. Some also just sounded like dead motor
 
Dead motors usually don't sound more than a slight humm at best, unless it's bad ball bearings, then it grinds.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes is it your real picture in ur profile?
 
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3:44 AM
@OmnipotentEntity the lack of noise was more the give away.
 
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what about when some of them seem to be repeatedly engaging the arm back to the stop position?
 
The click of death? That's failing to read a servo label to gain track
could be any of the following:
bad head, read/write channel on PCB is shot, totally fucked up disk surface
maybe something else too
usually bad head though, but sometimes, you can just unscrew the pcb and find the contacts that lead in the drive and take and eraser to them and clear it up.
 
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@OmnipotentEntity what's the chances that it might work to swap the board for emergency access, assuming the two models are fairly close?
 
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@OmnipotentEntity ooooo
 
if the hard drives are less than about 10 years old, exactly 0%
because adaptives
 
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3:46 AM
damn
 
well,
I say that
 
Time to begin the long process of backing up the Anime drive...
 
some hard drives have a Serial ROM that contains adaptives information on the board, and you can desolder it and transfer to the new PCB
 
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@Mysticial is it your real picture in ur profile?
 
@aclarke what profile
 
3:48 AM
I have some luck with that, assuming the problem is the PCB
 
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@OmnipotentEntity way beyond my mad soldering skilz now
 
but many hard drives have their Serial ROM as part of their CPU/system on a chip.
 
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@Mysticial oh, just the hover. Taking a theme and running with it. The bluish manga face
 
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avatar
 
so another thing you can try is to copy the data from the serial ROM using JTAG
but you need to understand the internals of the particular PCB, and also the instruction set in use of course.
assembly to the rescue
blah blah blah no one cares about the stupid shit I say
Essentially, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
But hard drives are complex as fuck yo.
 
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3:50 AM
no, it's interesting, and it proves i won;t recover some things; /insert sad face
 
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may as well throw the beasts out
 
well, there are places that will recover it for you, but expensive.
Used to work for one.
 
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only personal stuff really. I'll just disassemble them, expose the platters and leave them on my shelf at work for that uber-nerd view.
 
the boss of first shift data recovery liked taking apart dead hard drives that we weren't using it, and making abstract art out of it.
this wouldn't be a problem, except he did it instead of actually working.
so, there's that.
 
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@OmnipotentEntity heh.
 
3:54 AM
I used to have lots of bits and bobs from hard drives and other computer guts that I would hang on my christmas tree.
I called it my Circuit Tree.
 
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boom-tish
 
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the platters would make great earrings - for the right sort of person
 
especially if you have a 1.8"
 
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I want to do this in december, not sure how the family will take it
 
4:00 AM
@aclarke I want to push it down!
 
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@MarkGarcia could probably add a few little laser pointers and mirrors too
 
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oh how cool if you could figure out how to make them move as a pair!
 
Later, at home: 'Dear diary: Still can't figure out what to write here ...'
4
 
4:48 AM
why does std::stringstream only work with std::string
what the hell man
:(
 
So 4chan got backstabbed or something.
Don't know what to feel.
@Rapptz It can't use std::wstring?
 
std::wstringstream (also, not my point)
I want some sort of 'byte stream'
for things already in memory
I guess I could hack around and use setbuf
ah...
No way..
good ol' strstream.
 
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@MarkGarcia ?
 

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