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10:02 AM
oh this month we get a free ice cream each wednesday at work
neat
well, next month, august that is
 
shit
is liquidator a real word in English?
everyone's laughing at me cause I said it instead of blender
 
Yes I think so
But it doesn't mean blender at all
 
(the spanish word for blender is licuadora)
 
It's a law thingy
 
lmao I guess the time is getting to me
 
10:08 AM
the spanish meaning makes more sense
 
In law, a liquidator is the officer appointed when a company goes into winding-up or liquidation who has responsibility for collecting in all of the assets of the company and settling all claims against the company before putting the company into dissolution. == Powers == In most jurisdictions, a liquidator's powers are defined by statute. Certain powers are generally exercisable without the requirement of any approvals; others may require sanction, either by the court, by an extraordinary resolution (in a members' voluntary winding up) or the liquidation committee or a meeting of the company's...
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I actually know this word
I'm just derping hardcore
My inner translation modules are all wonky
 
Ell
liquidisor ?
 
you're all wonky
 
10:25 AM
> let's
 
Oh come on.
 
@Jefffrey ew. (yes)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit but it's functional
I liked Win7 better when it comes to looks, but Win 8.1 is impressive in terms of functionality
I am amazed by how well it copes in this ever-changing ultrabook scenario
@MarkGarcia no, it's not Aero
 
Xeo
I like the Win8(.1) look
 
@Jefffrey again, Metro is not "desktop"
 
Xeo
especially when the border colour is set to complete black
 
10:39 AM
you don't see window titles then
at least I didn't fiddle enough with them :F
 
@BartekBanachewicz what can it do?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it responds much better to touch
It has really nice touchpad and screen gestures (those are the same making them easy to learn)
You can log in using your Live account and it automatically offers you OneDrive backups, gets your avatar and stuff
Ribbon explorer is nice too.
> I learned that each punched card described one instruction in the program and that each
box could hold about two thousand cards. The size of a box, then, became a built-in limit
to the size of a program
lol
 
There were limits then and there are also limits now. Will it ever stop!?
 
yo, I don't know
(a beer for everyone who gets the reference).
 
Vanilla Ice
 
10:50 AM
:)
 
can't have a beer, must stay #
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, I mean, what can it do on an actual computer?
 
@JohanLarsson next time we meet then
 
@BartekBanachewicz wow it can connect to an internet service!!!
@BartekBanachewicz no
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't think you're getting the point
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What's an "actual computer" for you?
 
10:51 AM
@BartekBanachewicz which is what?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Who needs those? :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz monitor, keyboard, mouse. you know, what real people still use, contrary to the dreams of marketing wankers
 
ITT I'm not a real person
 
we knew that
 
let xpath = @"//body" // this gives me a node
let xpath = @"//body[@id='chat-body']" // this gives null using HtmlAgilityPack
 
10:52 AM
how can you program on a touchscreen or touchpad?!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Then I dunno, it's way less interesting. Don't migrate from Win7.
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's what I thought :)
win74eva
 
Xeo
Win8 ♥
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I said it was from an ultrabook perspective.
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, no, you didn't
 
10:53 AM
Using Win7 on my Yoga would probably be way more painful
 
@Xeo not you too -.-
 
I think I did earlier.
Well whatever that's what I meant.
 
Ell
I like win8 too
 
you mentioned ultrabook but didn't say your opinion of Win8's awesome was predicated on it
why is everybody suddenly suckered in -.-
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, me too.
> suckered in
 
Ell
10:54 AM
It's not even much different from windows 7
 
Xeo
wtf
so liking Win 8 is not an option?
 
I don't see any compelling reason to migrate from Windows 7 to Windows 8 on a desktop TBH
especially if you don't like the ribbon explorer.
 
Xeo
Keyboard layout switching ♥
 
there are keyboard shortcuts for that you know
 
Xeo
yes, and they utterly suck in Win7
 
10:55 AM
I use only Polish Programmer's layout anyway vOv
which is exactly the same as the US layout
 
Xeo
I switch between UK, Japanese and German layouts all the time
 
ah right germans added umlauts as physical keys
I actually like the fact that all of our nonstandard characters are under Alt
saves a lot of trouble.
 
Ell
Boy rightfold has kept this from me well wiki.rightfold.org/?title=Main_Page
 
Xeo
Hm. Apparently it's only Win 8.1 that allows showing your wallpaper when viewing the start screen
 
@Ell are you learning clojure?
@Xeo my pc got to me with 8.1 thankfully
from what I've heard 8.0 was a bit unpolished
 
11:06 AM
@BartekBanachewicz and you're polish so we can't have that
 
@Xeo no
Win7 is excellent, as far as Windows goes
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well then fuck you. ♥
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz No. I just found it
in the functional programming room
I was looking for scala help from @rightfold :P
 
then you're beyond scala help
 
Ell
11:20 AM
:(
 
when you use the 'f' word in the same sentence as ♥, it feels very ass hurt :x
 
@chmod711telkitty uhm, I'd understood it was a man saying this. but I thought you were a girl. welp maybe you just like something not-so-mainstream
 
wait why you'd understand a man saying this.
 
nevermind
there are some things you better not think about
 
Ell
11:28 AM
I think it's quite mainstream
 
Could we like change the topic to something less shitty?
I wanted to talk design today.
 
@Ell in Europe, perhaps
 
@BartekBanachewicz speed is the main reason, windows 8/8.1 are tickless, have much better GPU acceleration and will in general use less battery than 7
 
@Mgetz fair points. I don't consider my list complete by any means.
 
@Abyx well, software developers, builders & financial instrument traders are mostly guys. Sometimes I wonder why I am in male dominated industries too ...
 
11:37 AM
@BartekBanachewicz but those are mostly things that matter to gamers and people with laptops, also 9 is rumored for december/Q1 2015 and it has a start menu, a proper one and all of what I mentioned above
 
Sometimes I even wonder maybe there is something wrong with me :/ Or maybe there is something with the the world - sexism starts young :x
2
 
@chmod711telkitty I don't think you're really in our industry
I mean like outskirts.
 
@chmod711telkitty the problem is the world
 
thank you ♥
 
ugh doxygen
who turns <pre>1\n\n2</pre> into <pre>1</pre><pre>2</pre> ._.
 
11:48 AM
just replace all occurrences of "\n\n" to "</pre><pre>", then do same for occurrences of "\n", then wrap result to "<pre>" and "</pre>
and then maybe remove all empty ones e.g. "<pre></pre>"
 
what
 
@YuriyGrinevich uh don't
don't process (valid) HTML as text TIA.
 
I want <pre>...</pre> to be rendered as-is. I don't know why Doxygen makes it so an extra newline means </pre><pre> if I'm inside a <pre> block.
 
ok. then i misunderstood you, sorry. @Bartek, you right
 
My sushis were 30 mins late this is SCANDALOUS
fuck race conditions
 
Ell
12:21 PM
@Abyx maybe :P
 
rice conditions? ... coz sushi's late ...
 
@ParkYoung-Bae my first thought on reading this was: "Wait... Korea doesn't have a F1 GP"
 
@BoltClock YES! I saw that guy too, he must be watching 'bootstrap' to take them out and the other guy is watching 'twitter-bootstrap' to put them in! — Lego Stormtroopr 7 hours ago
 
12:53 PM
@Mgetz Fortunate for them
 
@Puppy hey racetracks are cool
there should be more of them
 
@Puppy lol so true, so much corruption in F1
 
the restrictions to get a car on the tracks are terrible though
like sealings on all of the pipes and stuff
you spill anything on the track you're fucked.
it's not that FIA drivers getting back on the track, dragging half their front bumber and gravel, care about the surface :P
@Mgetz the cars are nice though
 
what would be nicer is, I dunno, fusion power, or replacing our coal power plants with solar panels, or quantum computers.
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh I know, I'm mostly referring to the fact that Bernie and his cronies are basically Nazi sympathizers with the business practices to match
 
12:57 PM
ITT Puppy wants to replace power plants with quantum computers?
 
@Puppy the racecar developments move onto regular cars. Think about them as really advanced prototypes of what you might be driving in a few years.
just like military tech.
 
Last I checked, quantum computers kind of sucked at generating electricity. They'd be a pretty poor replacement
 
sure, it would just be a lot cheaper to just develop them for regular cars in the first place.
 
@Puppy It doesn't work that way. They experiment and test the things on the track.
 
what's wrong with normal testing tracks?
 
12:58 PM
and you wouldn't get that much money if people didn't pay for it
 
too cheap?
 
racing is crowdfunding of car development vOv
 
Xeo
erm
 
change it back.
 
Xeo
no
 
12:59 PM
I'm not removing the star.
 
yeah, cause we couldn't just raise taxes or car prices a little instead, and people could get the same developments but much cheaper.
 
@Puppy it really doesn't work that way.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, I can do that myself :P
 
for one, the government doesn't have access to private IP of car companies
 
so what? we pay for plenty of research done by private companies.
 
1:01 PM
try suggesting raising taxes and giving that money to car companies
 
and also, that's an excellent reason to move away from that system.
 
from what system
What you want is communism.
Should've said that upfront.
 
no, what I want is efficiency.
 
your ideas of efficiency are wrong and based on wrong premises.
 
that's lost when you say, "Gonna spend 50% of the money on useless racetracks and building cars we don't need".
 
1:02 PM
@Puppy if you want that just abolish patents, problem solved
 
you're ignoring a lot of important factors.
like entertainment.
let's kill movie industry too.
and music, while we're at it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it should be in theory, but it's not it's just a patent factory that prevents any meaningful development for 25 years
 
raise taxes and spend money on power plants instead.
 
honestly, I'd be perfectly happy with a severe reduction in size of those industries.
 
@Mgetz Nobody is preventing car companies from taking their developments and applying it to their regular cars, and it's done on a regular basis.
@Puppy lmao.
 
1:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz actually in the absence of copyright music thrives, see K-Pop
 
I'm not talking about copyright at all.
 
all I'm saying is
 
@BartekBanachewicz not as often as you'd think, generally regulation drives that. Patents usually prevent safety features from making their way onto cheaper cars,
 
@Puppy Why not move that one step further and reduce the world population, too.
@Puppy ... plain BS, yes.
 
people in the future are gonna be pretty pissed off when they can't live because the world has become a toxic wasteland because the people in this time wanted to watch cars race around on a track.
 
1:06 PM
lol what.
 
@BartekBanachewicz The practical matters of doing that are somewhat problematic. But in principle, I'd probably be in favour of a limited reduction.
 
sigh
well the one good thing is that ideas like yours will never take off
so that's a bit comforting.
 
yep, we'll keep polluting the planet so we can watch whizzy movies until we die horribly.
 
It's not that we have to advance on the Kardashev Scale
I mean, I'd like our civilization to do that, but it might not happen.
We might well all die like you predict.
However, racing is like the least important problem that would prevent us from surviving, really.
 
we don't have to advance on the Kardashev Scale.
but what we do have to do is not use our current position to wipe out our environment.
 
1:10 PM
No, we don't have to do anything.
Whatever we do, we do.
There's no upper obligation.
 
well, arguably you could choose to die horribly and watch your children die horribly.
but I'm pretty sure that most people don't think that's really a choice.
 
@Puppy I'd rather die in a world where music and racecars exist.
 
feel free
 
Can't speak for my children, granted, but since I don't have them yet I can't tell.
@Puppy lol, you really are a pathetic little fellow
I mean, no offense, but sitting at home too long makes people behave like that
you have to get the fuck out and find a proper job
that makes you interact with people on a daily basis.
 
yes, it's clearly totally pathetic to not want to watch my children die horribly because other people were too selfish to fix the planet
 
Xeo
1:13 PM
sigh
 
you assume that your way of fixing the planet is the only way
ignoramus in 3...2...1....
 
I haven't espoused any particular method, although I'm pretty sure that fixing our power generation would be a good start.
 
Xeo
I enable -std=c++11 for the only part of our server that didn't have it, and now they don't want to start
 
@Puppy agreed. Not related to bashing racing.
 
how it's achieved is irrelevant, what matters is that it's dumb to spend our money on entertaining ourselves whilst we haven't fixed the problem.
 
1:14 PM
wrong.
entertainment is an important sociological factor and you can't ignore it
 
yes, it's an important sociological factor in killing ourselves
 
Most of the people wouldn't like to live in a world without entertainment.
I think I wouldn't.
Imagine your day is 8 hours sleeping and 16 hours work with breaks for food. (FWIW people live like that)
 
I did read about a tribe in the Amazon who believed that fun was sent by the Devil and that all good things meant pain and suffering.
 
mhm, and?
 
well, they survived perfectly fine despite never having any fun.
but more generally, the resource shortfall simply isn't that big.
 
1:18 PM
okey you know what.
I agree with you.
 
we could easily afford the fixes we need with a little more prudent management.
 
I agree with you to the point that I think you should try.
Stop having fun altogether.
No music, no movies, no video games.
if you find chat entertaining, that too.
 
you seem to be misunderstanding something
 
the only thing you're permitted to do is sleeping, eating and working (or looking for a job).
that would maximize your input into our civilization.
@Puppy what? Don't you want to lead an example for others?
I think you'd survive perfectly fine.
 
yes, except none of those things would have any material impact on pretty much anyone or anything, ever.
 
1:21 PM
that's the point of example.
 
you're not talking about millions and millions wasted on racetracks, or paid to the already-wealthy.
 
@Puppy if more people see that you can survive without them they will stop building them
 
yeah I doubt that.
 
same with music
you want reduction of the music market? Stop listening to music and convince others vOv.
 
much more likely, they just don't want to face the scale of the problem.
did you know that our outgoing energy minister didn't believe in man-made climate change?
what a fucking moron.
 
1:22 PM
thankfully you're there to give a good example.
 
it's only like 97% of all climate scientists who agree on the matter.
 
yeah we were talking about entertainment
 
no
 
8 mins ago, by Puppy
yes, it's an important sociological factor in killing ourselves
You seem to be opposing it.
Man up and oppose.
 
I was talking about lack of sufficient investment in climate science and reducing environmental impact.
entertainment is just one obvious place where we could find money to put into those causes.
 
1:23 PM
You were talking about how we're wasting money on entertainment
@Puppy Be the first one to stop using that wasted money
show everyone that we're indeed wasting it.
 
Xeo
siiiiiigh
 
sure, but I already don't buy music, so I don't waste any money on it.
 
No, don't listen to it.
Money is wasted on producing it.
 
too late.
 
Show that you think it's not important to create music.
 
1:25 PM
nothing to be done about music that's already created.
 
By listening you give evidence to the fact that it's necessary.
Only by abstinence from entertainment you can show that it's a waste.
 
really?
 
Yep.
Otherwise you're just a fucking hypocrite.
 
did you ask a statistician about that?
 
But we wouldn't like to call anyone a hypocrite, would we?
 
1:26 PM
cause it's perfectly possible to enjoy many totally unnecessary things.
 
I love how you're still not seeing it.
Or rather, not admitting to seeing it, because I don't think you're that stupid.
 
Why do I have this intense feeling of deja vu, looking at you two argue over something utterly pointless?
 
no, it's you who's not seeing it
brb
 
@Puppy okay, Mr Correct.
 
-1
Q: c++ thread safe object pool

orweI have an App which simulates millions of inputs in order to get output. For each of the simulations I need to have an object of Simulator class. In order to improve performance I added a map<start_date, Simulator>, because simulators can be reused if the start_date is the same. Right now I want ...

killl the dupe... kill it with fire
 
1:28 PM
@jalf it really wasn't an argument IMHO
 
Mr Auto Correct
 
also off topic
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know what it was, but it seemed familiar. :)
 
@jalf I was just building up to call him a hypocrite from the very beginning.
Is there even a phrase for leading someone into a discussion, waiting with presenting your arguments until they are deeper in what their said?
I think a "logical trap" might be it.
or maybe it's just a form of loaded question fallacy :O
shit.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That doesn't stop politicians and lobbyists, why should Puppy be held to a higher standard?
 
1:31 PM
@Mgetz I called him out to be a moral example of his ideas.
just like politicians should be, FTR
 
Xeo
siiiiiiiiiiigh
SegFault
 
Xeo
in some external library
just because I switched to -std=c++11
 
@Xeo abi break if you're using GCC
 
Xeo
Fucking ptypes
 
1:49 PM
@Mgetz Yes we do, in Mokpo
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I didn't see it on the calender.... or is that coming soon?
 
The Korean Grand Prix (Korean: 코리아 그랑프리) was a Formula One race held in the Republic of Korea. After months of speculation, on October 2, 2006 it was confirmed that the event would actually take place in 2010, and would be hosted by the Korea International Circuit. It has also been revealed that the race will be promoted by a public-private company. The deal is for seven years with a five year option that would ensure the race to be held until 2021. Despite this earlier confirmation, the Korean Grand Prix was not included on any of the provisional 2010 calendars floated by Formula One Management...
 
@ParkYoung-Bae thank you, my korean is well a little non-existant
 
@Mgetz Only in 4.7.0.
all other (including more recent) versions are abi-compatible.
 
1:55 PM
@Puppy I thought 4.9 was a complete ABI break too
 
no
they just broke their library w.r.t. clang, and that wasn't a binary break.
 
ah I know they changed the ABI to support C++11 so they could bring the library into compliance
 
sure, but the ABI changes are backwards compatible.
they're storing up all the ABI breaks for 5.0 IIRC
 
honestly I just hope libstdc++ gets C++11 complete here sometime soon, it's really annoying that VC++ is actually ahead in some areas
 
personally I'd prefer more Windows combat with libc++
 
2:14 PM
hey @CatPlusPlus, wondering about how easy it is for you, to install a few things on TC- lldb, clang (already built?) & libc++.
 
It'll have to wait a while
 
@Puppy that would be nice too
 
sure
I'm thinking about building some new functionality that would need them for testing, but if it's a problem for you then I can just add those features at some other time
 
Just have little time atm
 
ok
 
2:28 PM
power nap
3hrs of deliciousness
 
@Jefffrey at work?
 
I don't have a job
 
@Jefffrey how's that?
> BMW teamed up with Intel to further develop its ConnectedDrive system, an infotainment package featuring interactive displays and quicker app response times.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm trying to finish 2 years of university in 1
 
> Google, Audi, GM, Honda and Hyundai have also joined forces to form the Open Automotive Alliance, which has the ultimate goal of bringing Google’s Android operating system to the automobile
@Jefffrey woah. You want MSc?
 
2:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Nope, I just spent my first two years doing almost nothing because I was a moron.
2
So this year I decided to do my "first + second year" in one shot, in order to get the fuck out of here as fast as I can
 
@Jefffrey good thinking
btw this is going to sound way off but I like you way more since you started programming in Haskell
 
If everything goes according to plans I should make 3 years of uni in 4.3/4.5 years. And that would still be lower than the average (5.5 years).
 
I just hope for a smooth last semester.
 
@Jefffrey wow 7.8.3
 
2:41 PM
oh wow, vim keybinding
 
and Lua 5.2.2
 
seriously
 
the guy knows his shit
and it's realtime
 
@StackedCrooked You have competition. ^
:P
 
and a tough one
 
2:47 PM
and of course it has boost
 
I think I am not going to use boost in my new job
 
ack wtf new firefox update, random black boxes everywhere
 
lol
 
I'll steal optional and friends from Rapptz\Robot\Xeo
 
@Puppy It's every Firefox update
 
2:52 PM
You mean the black boxes are not intended?
 
Aaand once again Firefox can't figure out which window should be on which screen, despite the fact that they're always closed on right ones
GOOD JOB
 
I think he follows the currently active monitor
Where the mouse is
Or something
I don't know
 
Why have I not played Diplomacy before?
 
those punchcard days were a thing
 
my arse is also a thing.
 
2:56 PM
@thecoshman It's great.
It takes FOREVER, though.
 
excuse me, I don't know why I felt compelled to say that, true as it may be.
 

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