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12:04 AM
Everyone politely ignoring my awkward forays into Enterprisey FOSS Buzzword land. Good boys :)
I'm off to sleep. Night
 
@sehe Night.
 
hihi there was a LOC discussion some time ago
My maint.py for various raw-database tasks around this project has grown to 1690
cba to organise it
 
Ell
12:34 AM
I wish they'd taught me how to dance at school
All I can do now is fumble awkwardly flailing my arms about and tripping over myself
I don't remember brushing my teeth but my mouth is minty. I'm going mad!
 
liek dis?
 
Ell
Not even like dat :(
 
12:51 AM
It sucks that HxH episodes are only 2 minutes long.
 
What's HxH?
 
It's an anime named Hunter x Hunter.
It's the one of the best anime ever imo.
 
@StackedCrooked seconded
 
I don't know why I don't like anime. It's weird. A little like a prejudice.
 
@Borgleader Tecktonik
This dancing style was briefly popular during 2008.
 
12:58 AM
I really like animations, but not animes. That doesn't make any sense.
 
@StackedCrooked After that it stopped because those who practiced it were tired of getting concussed by their fellows' arms flailing around
 
I suppose.
@Borgleader A complete new arc is started and already I'm sucked in.
 
I guess I should try animes. Where to begin?
 
HxH, Eden of the East is really good too (warning: its also really weird)
 
@chris No. Clang does not fully support C++11 (At this time.) Hard Stop! Either deal with this fact, or move on. — TJMonk15 3 mins ago
 
1:10 AM
@Borgleader For Hunter x Hunter there are no seasons, right? Just number of episodes?
 
Clang even supports what was voted in for C++17 already in SVN.
 
@Jefffrey afaik its just episodes, though be aware that the series had a recent "reboot" it also aired back in 2008 or so
so make sure you get the episodes from 2013
 
@Borgleader Way earlier than 2008.
@Jefffrey It's around 140 episodes by now.
@Borgleader Aired: Oct 16, 1999 to Mar 31, 2001
Actually those were in my top 5 anime before I started with the 2011 version.
The YorkNew city ark was really well done.
Actually, it was also very good in 2011 series.
 
@StackedCrooked I have to catch up, I'm so late on it (same for Naruto T_T but i have no time)
 
@Jefffrey The very first few episodes of HxH are not very exciting, so be patient in the beginning :)
@Borgleader How enviable.
 
1:15 AM
Ok, we'll see. :)
 
I wish I needed to catch up.
I'm now gonna watch episode one of Tokyo Ghoul. Hopefully a good new series.
 
So apparently those features Clang doesn't do that it's not required to do like minimal support for GC suddenly count toward Clang not fully supporting C++11.
 
That guy's backpedaling bud.
 
Clang doesn't support C++11 because it doesn't ship with a standard library. :P
 
Isn't "minimal support for gc" just implementing several no-ops?
 
1:24 AM
If you don't have GC, that minimal support can be all done in the library, so outside of the scope intended for clang.
 
Only other thing was extended integer types.
 
also optional
 
Yeah, and that is sort of debatable, since they do support __int128.
The intent of that feature has always been that if the implementation supports more integer types they do so according to the rules.
Granted, pretty much everyone just gives a big giant fuck you to those rules.
 
I just read about this Ebola outbreak.
It's a little scary.
 
1:43 AM
We are currently performing our read-only test. This should be completed in the next 5 minutes. This is ONLY a test.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I actually am surprised by how IE 11 executes JS faster than FF. Though text still looks blurry on my machine.
Good morning.
I'm spoiled by FF's beautiful text rendering.
 
We are ending our read-only failover test. We apologize for any inconvenience.
 
2:01 AM
We have completed our Read Only failover test. We found a few bugs and are squashing them.
 
I hate managing people - even if they are just contractors - cheap ones are lazy or incompetent, good ones always try to get more $ out of you ...
One of the few good, cheap ones is myself, so I utilize myself a lot :D </shameless self promotion>
 
You promote yourself in a public C++ chatroom
 
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2:23 AM
Promotion is great everywhere.
 
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2:44 AM
c2 = a2 + b2
 
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If I have c2, I can't know a2 and b2...
 
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... Unless I have the constraint that a2 and b2 are equal.
 
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So then it's just c2 = 2a^2
 
Oh cool. Just tried Chrome 37 now and the text is absolutely gorgeous, and just like FF's.
 
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@MarkGarcia But can you render PILEOFPOO, UNICORNHORN, and CAT WITH TEARS OF JOY?
 
2:48 AM
...
 
user3010322
> Before DirectWrite, Chrome used the Graphics Device Interface (GDI) to render text. GDI dates back to the mid-80's and reflects the engineering tradeoffs of that time,
 
user3010322
Fucking GDI.
 
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No wonder it was shit.
 
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I'm surprised they're just not using FreeType, though.
 
user3010322
I wonder if Firefox uses DirectWrite or FreeType...
 
2:49 AM
Meanwhile, IE doesn't seem to properly utilize ClearType/DirectWrite.
 
Font rendering on Linux looks the same as Windows on Firefox.
So probably not DirectWrite
 
user3010322
Hm. You're right.
 
user3010322
BUt it's great they've finally picked up DirectWrite
 
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I hope that means they've gotten fallback fonts for free
 
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'cause I want my PILEOFPOO on chrome
 
2:51 AM
Also, TIL about <dialog>. Great!
 
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💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
 
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO‌​OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
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IT'S STILL A FUCKING BOX
 
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FUCKING CHROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOME
 
user3010322
I am deeply hurt and betrayed
 
user3010322
2:53 AM
by Chrome's inability to let me see shit.
 
user3010322
(See what I did there @Borgleader?)
 
@ThePhD At that time (and until quite recently) GDI rendered text very nicely (good, fast rendering). As of Vista, they basically took a massive step backward, so most of GDI is rendered in software instead of using hardware acceleration (to enable compositing). DirectWrite is fast, but the rendering quality still isn't as good as GDI used to be. It's pretty nice as long as the text is "standing still", but scrolling is definitely inferior to what you used to get from GDI.
 
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Whistles
 
user3010322
Ah.
 
@ThePhD What sort of nonsense are you on about now? :-)
 
user3010322
2:58 AM
Well, maybe they decided not to do it with GDI/GDI+ because they instead wanted to instead use that space for DirectWrite...
 
user3010322
Albeit, to be fair, I'm not sure why they didn't just enable hardware acceleration for both.
 
@ThePhD They gave some explanations at the time, but none sounded very convincing to me. I'm pretty well convinced that they started out wanting to write something new, and by the time they had even a vague notion of how difficult a task they'd really undertaken, they had so much invested that throwing it away and continuing to develop GDI simply wasn't acceptable any more.
@ThePhD As far as GDI+ goes, it's sufficiently abstract that I'm reasonably certain that if they cared they could update it to use DW/D2D as its backend. so existing code would run faster. Probably won't happen though. 1) it's "old", and 2) it's C++, and regardless of Herb, STL, etc., C++ is mostly out of favor at MS.
 
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@JerryCoffin Yeah... people aren't really writing C++ here...
 
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It's C# and C, nothing inbetween.
 
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Oh, and perl.
 
user3010322
3:12 AM
Ancient, arcane, hideous perl. ._.
 
@JerryCoffin Could be changing with pressure coming from the Office team. They use C++ and are doing cross platform development. I hope we can have their goodies.
 
@ThePhD Oh god help us all!
 
what about objective C & Java
 
user3010322
Haven't seen any.
 
user3010322
There's also a smidgen of Python.
 
user3010322
3:13 AM
Oh!
 
Objective C is apple exclusive
 
user3010322
But there is one team that uses C++ extensively.
 
Gamedev? :v
 
@chmod711telkitty What can you say about them, beyond: "They suck".
 
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They even have their code compiling on Clang.
 
3:14 AM
Don't think they count
 
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No, Office.
 
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They write C++ and use VC++ and Clang to compile. I know because I'm on the distribution list where I get to see them complain about VC++. :D
 
@ThePhD Of course, they're releasing for all kinds of platforms (Android, iOS).
 
user3010322
Clang compiles on Linux machines, right? It's not just Apple?
 
13
A: Does Microsoft Office 2010 make use of WPF or is it plain old MFC?

Tao YueOffice 2010 does not use WPF. In fact, it doesn't use MFC either. Office has traditionally used a custom UI toolkit, and this was true even before the Ribbon came into being. However, you only need one major first-party application to secure the viability of WPF as a UI platform. This is espe...

 
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3:18 AM
C, C#, and C++.
 
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Occasionally, there's a bit of Javascript, Typescript, Perl, and Python.
 
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But the code is made up of those C languages.
 
user3010322
What's the single-word name for when something is fit inside of a circle?
 
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Like a square inside of a circle?
 
user3010322
Inscirbed?
 
3:32 AM
@JerryCoffin I used to think that they suck, but I have been growing increasingly fond of Java lately, after experienced first handly many other languages.
 
user3010322
I wonder if you can WPF bind things to itself...
 
please clarify
 
Actually it's all rendered on WM_PAINT. I still don't get what your point is. — Blindy May 9 '11 at 20:27
Holy fuck this guy is dense.
If this wasn't fucking 3 years old I would be dropping some justice on that guy
@ThePhD Bindings aren't DependencyObjects, and they don't implement INotifyPropertyChanged. So, no, you can't bind to a binding's property.
 
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@EtiennedeMartel But you can bind a property of an object to another property on the object (not on the binding), right?
 
@ThePhD Sure.
As long as the object itself is a dependency object.
 
user3010322
3:43 AM
Kinky.
 
(Because one end of the binding has to be a dependency property)
 
user3010322
Implementing something like WPF in C++ is going to be... interesting.
 
user3010322
Ugh.
 
user3010322
Now my binding isn't working. :c
 
@ThePhD Need to develop a better box model first.
 
user3010322
3:51 AM
Better box model?
 
Better than HTML/CSS, more intuitive than WPF's.
 
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Hm.
 
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Yep, binding's not working...
 
user3010322
I wish I understood how DataContexts worked and passed down info.
 
people who write articles for gossip magazines should really devote their talent at inventing fairy tales ...
 
user3010322
3:58 AM
I'm not sure I'd want to read their fairytales...
 
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@EtiennedeMartel In XAML, if you're working in a UserControl that has its DataContext set to an object... how do you do bindings that work with the DataContext set on the UserControl object?
 
some of the articles on this online newspaper are hilarious ... so retarded, it is entertaining
makes you doubt their editor in chief's IQ
 
@ThePhD Bindings should be relative to the data context anyway.
 
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Oh.
 
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Well, I get the proper DataContext,
 
user3010322
4:04 AM
but absolutely none of the bindings are updated again.
 
user3010322
Are bindings supposed to refresh on a change in DataContext?
 
user3010322
Well.... they're not for me.
 
user3010322
Maybe it's because the object being used as a DataContext isn't... proper enough?
 
So, wait. You're setting a new data context or just updating the object somehow?
 
user3010322
4:07 AM
I have an <ItemsControl> that has a bound ItemsSource. It's correctly showing a list of items, and each of the items in the ItemsControl is correctly passing down the item of the List<T> as the DataContext for the view of each ItemsSource.
 
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The DataContext is being changed on the object that's supposed to be shown for each Item in the ItemsControl. But none of the properties I've bound are getting refreshed / showing up on my rendered controls.
 
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Blargh.
 
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Maybe I need to change the ViewModel to be a DependencyProperty, rather than just using INotifyPropertyChanged...
 
@ThePhD Do they raise the property changed event when they change?
 
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Yeah.
 
user3010322
4:11 AM
It seems to be working for things like Binding => Name
 
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But it's not working for this enum I have on the same class, which is doing the same raising...
 
@ThePhD No errors in your output?
Binding errors in WPF show up as traces, not exceptions.
 
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Blank. Just a bunch of DLL Loaded stuff.
 
4:24 AM
61
Q: What is the IAmHappyWhereIAm cookie set by careers.stackoverflow.com?

dav_iI was just inspecting what cookies are set on StackOverflow (you know, as you do) and one in particular caught my eye: Name Value Domain Path Expires -------------------------------------------------------------------- IAmHappyWhereIAm IGotSunshine careers.s...

lol
 
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Heh.
 
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@EtiennedeMartel Is it possible to have a Binding + some static text in XAML?
 
@ThePhD TextBlock.
 
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E.g., like... Text="I am a {Binding AniamlText}" ?
 
<TextBlock>I am a <Run Text="{Binding AnimalText}" /> </TextBlock>
 
user3010322
4:32 AM
Ooh. That's kinda neat.
 
user3010322
Well, now things are starting to look okay.
 
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But bindings to properties I wrote myself are still not working.
 
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Even just the get-bindings that are one-way. I guess INotifyPropertyChanged on these simple ViewModel classes aren't enough...?
 
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Blargh. WPF. <_>
 
Get Snoop and debug your bindings.
 
user3010322
4:42 AM
Sounds like effort and shit... I have 12 hours to get this done.
 
Hey guys
Is there any bock about C++ programming via VS2012 ?
 
@MAZux We'll hope not. Books written about specific products (such as VS 2012) are universally awful. If you want a decent book, check the book list.
 
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@EtiennedeMartel Guess I'd better install it ASAP...
 
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Sigh.
 
4:48 AM
@JerryCoffin Well thanx, I just wanna know about programming windows applications in c++ .
 
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@EtiennedeMartel Does SNoop work on Windows 8 Store Apps?
 
@ThePhD Is that WPF?
 
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I'm not sure. It uses the same XAML and shit, but the namespaces are different in Windows 8.1
 
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(E.g. Windows.UI.XAML instead of System.Windows and crap).
 
So, it's the C++ stuff.
 
user3010322
4:50 AM
Ish? I'm programming only in C#.
 
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I have no idea what the internals do.
 
@ThePhD Probably not. That is WinRT.
 
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Oh hey, after a few more refreshes Snoop found it.
 
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Yay.
 
Then, that's great.
 
4:51 AM
What does Snoop Dogg have to do with WPF
 
@MAZux Somewhat dated, but still probably useful: amazon.com/Windows-via-Jeffrey-M-Richter/dp/0735624240/…
 
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Annnd.... SNoop doesn't seem to be showing me anything useful.
 
@Rapptz Both tasteless and stupid?
 
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Wait
 
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Oh. I'm an idiot.
 
user3010322
4:53 AM
Snoop was debugging my VIsual Studio process
 
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Not my Windows 8 App
 
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It still can't find that.
 
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Welp. Nothin' I can do about Windows 8.1 I guess.
 
user3010322
This platform has been nothing but hell to develop on, really...
 
@JerryCoffin Any other website else amazon, it's been blocked for my country.
 
4:54 AM
@ThePhD VS doesn't have UI debugging for WinRT?
 
user3010322
@MarkGarcia It does... ish.. kind of?
 
user3010322
If... the regular debugger counts...?
 
Ah, okay. Maybe VS 14 would be better.
 
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I have no hopes for anything.
 
user3010322
4:56 AM
All of it is crap and its all going to go to hell.
 
@ThePhD So you haven't realized that you're already in hell yet? :-)
 
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@JerryCoffin I have my hopes.
 
user3010322
I've also plugged my ears and started going "La la la la la"
 
@JerryCoffin Thanx..
 
@ThePhD Something's clearly wrong with me tonight. I can feel a really funny reply to that, but somehow it's just outside my grasp right now...
That being the case, I think I'd better take a couple of Aspirin (or something) and go to bed. Later, all.
 
user3010322
5:04 AM
Nighty night.
 
Good night.
 
There is clear no hope for you now @ThePhD, even the wasp has taken some aspirin & off to bed after inspecting your conditions ...
 
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@chmod711telkitty :(
 
@Rapptz Snoop is a debugging app for WPF.
 
You missed the joke man.
 
5:18 AM
No, I got it. But I refused to acknowledge it.
(Also, Snoop's logo is a dog. So.)
 
user3010322
Isn't his name Snoop Lion now?
 
Not anymore
 
user3010322
He changed it back?
 
Yeah
 
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Jesus fuck this shit is going to drive me up a goddamn wall.
 
user3010322
5:30 AM
It calls the getter
 
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and then drops into some non-call-stackable code
 
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and then nothing fucking happens
 
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If I remove the binding, the get call doesn't happen anymore
 
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SO WHY ISN'T MY GETTER BEING APPLIED
 
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table-flip
 
user3010322
5:33 AM
I have propery registered a DependencyProperty
 
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Why isn't it being triggerted
 
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whythwhytwhwhtwhrwhadawjd
 
user3010322
Okay, if I set it to a static value it works.
 
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(In XAML)
 
user3010322
But if I set a binding, it gets the enum value from the class I have (it hits the breakpoint), but the MyProperty.set isn't called
 
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5:40 AM
I... I'm not sure what to even say at this point.
 
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..................................
 
user3010322
Okay. So when the property is set by a Binding, it just calls SetValue directly on the DependencyProperty... and refuses to call the Property's setter itself.
 
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Great.
 
user3010322
So, I have to implement an "On{PropertyName}Changed" function, cast the value of the argument to my type, and then make the necessary changes.
 
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Which would have been nice if MSDN told me that's how it was going to do things.
 
user3010322
5:50 AM
Rather than, you know, spending a good amount of time w3arning me about not having my Dependency Property not be of the same name as the regular CLR property.
 
user3010322
6:14 AM
StyleCop really is going to make me murder someone.
 
user3010322
Why doesn't it actually perform all of these "Tasks you should do" for you?
 
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Why does it just endlessly bother you about it all? Why doesn't it just do it?
 
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It clearly knows, since it can bother you about it. It knows what you should do. Yet its whole existence is caught up in just telling you that you're wrong and smacking the back of your knees with its righteous meterstick.
 
...
 
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...
 
whoa, a good night's sleep sure refreshes your brain
had trouble with a bug yesterday, the whole day
this morning I looked over things and it was just a huge logic flaw of mine, not a bug
 
"huge logic flaw of mine, not a bug" A bug in your genes. :P
 
lol
 
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7:14 AM
@MarkGarcia Do I get to file a bug report with my parents?
 
it looks so obvious now
 
@ThePhD You don't want to know of the fix.
 
how could I notice it today in less than 10 seconds and couldn't do it yesterday in a whole day
 
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@MarkGarcia Try me. :P
 
what other things could I do if I always slept right
 
user3010322
7:15 AM
@AlexM. Save a kitten.
 
or more exactly, what was I not able to do whenever I was sleepy
@ThePhD I would save a kitten.
 
^ The superhero we've all been waiting for
 
this song has one of the best choruses I've heard soundcloud.com/tiesto/zedd-clarity-feat-foxes-ti-sto
or the original if you don't like tiesto's stuff youtube.com/watch?v=IxxstCcJlsc
 
lol impressive
the original comic
 
7:25 AM
@AlexM. Oh yes that's been all over the radio here. It's ... alright.
 
been so long since I've seen it
 
@ParkYoung-Bae is that robot after seeing bad code?
5
 
@ParkYoung-Bae any trackers that you recommend I don't tell ghostboy to block? Or shall I just block all and see how it goes?
 
@AlexM. or using VS
@AlexM. or any day in here
 
@thecoshman I just block everything and unblock when I need (eg Gravatar)
 
7:28 AM
the edit I'm talking about
 
@ParkYoung-Bae right so... simply enough :P
 
@Rapptz oh I see
 
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Huh.
 
@ThePhD holy fuck that was a long rant
you really should get out more
talk to the real people.
 
user3010322
I do talk to real people.
 
user3010322
7:30 AM
I just rant every now and then. :D
 
user3010322
I also have a habit of talking to myself.
 
user3010322
Longwinded explanations of things. Can take hours.
 
user3010322
No, I am not crazy. ;~;
 
> talk to the real people
do the dance
program the code
 
yay for github not sneaking in crap into it's pages :P
 
7:31 AM
drive the car
 
@ThePhD No, that's most certainly not the word I'd use to describe you.
 
unlike @puppy's hosting :P
 
wait, where is the old git?
 
damn it my last day at Intel
I don't want to get out of bed
 
7:32 AM
@BartekBanachewicz steal ALL the ip!
 
I already did, it's in my head
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hey it's my last day here too!
 
or at least leak like a whore after record breaking gang bang
 
Actually my last morning cause I took the afternoon off
 
@ParkYoung-Bae last day where? where to now?
 
7:32 AM
@thecoshman Unfortunately I can't tell you anything
 
@thecoshman My last day at this company. Where to? HOLIDAYS and then I'll look for a job
 
there are some news you'd be undoubtfully interested in, alas...
 
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@ParkYoung-Bae Ooh, have fun!
 
@ParkYoung-Bae so when are you visiting Poland?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ¬_¬ like a whore
 
7:36 AM
wut?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae ... where to?
@BartekBanachewicz leak damn you!
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know... It'll depend on when I start looking for work. End of august, I suppose?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae fuck.
 
@thecoshman There
@BartekBanachewicz I can change that
 
7:37 AM
I'm visiting natalia around 25-30
 
Okay I'll be visiting her too then
 
DW, I can go later in autumn / winter
 
@ParkYoung-Bae looks to photoshoped for my liking
@ParkYoung-Bae gigidy
 
7:46 AM
@ParkYoung-Bae too many fields
 
too man...
fuck
and I'm not even trolling. was about to say precisely that.
well, without bothering with the reply-to arrow
 
@thecoshman Well excuse me, maybe you'll prefer this?
 
I have spent pretty much this whole week dealing with people & paper works, I think I need plenty of alcohol tonight to ease the pain ...
 
@ParkYoung-Bae ergh, wip
well? is that it?
 
7:58 AM
but I was enjoying giving out petty complaints to places that actually look ok :P
 

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