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9:12 AM
Also my 'remove user from project' accidentally removes the user instead
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Xeo
Good job breaking it, hero.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It was probably more than that.
 
> The bartender says "We don't serve your kind here!".
A time traveler walks into a bar.
That's my favourite "walks into a bar" joke.
 
@kbok Est-ce que tu aurais une idée du salaire brut moyen auquel peut prétendre un ingénieur à Paris ?
 
hmmm.
I could really use parameterised destructors right about now.
 
9:37 AM
@Rapptz So much space wasted with all those variable templates.
 
ack, fuck LLVM.
turns out 14 tests were failing because I forgot to call InitializeGlobalVariables().
 
rofl you will hate me for this @sehe - probably NSFW
 
Hmmm, the net namespace ignores the fact that htonl and friends cannot be used for all purposes. Even if you stick to networking instead of general serialisation.
BitTorrent uses little-endian data.
Not sure if I want to visit the Asylum.
 
> Programmers who wish to determine whether a feature is available in an implementation should base that determination on the presence of the header (determined with __has_include(<header/name>)) and the state of the macro with the recommended name.
Doesn't only Clang have that?
 
I'M BACK
that was actually quite a nice drive
@BartekBanachewicz Decent people?
 
9:43 AM
@ThePhD If my calculations are correct I can build a Bluetooth RA drive for 60 euro when a branded one with wires costs 130. All I need is to build it, write a driver on it, tune it, and then write an app to control on it on the Android :|
 
user3010322
:3c
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is 70 euro worth all that time and effort?
 
The Bluetooth is. I really don't want wires and stuff around those moving parts.
 
@Rapptz boooo-rinnnngg
 
9:45 AM
> N3981: Removing trigraphs??!—Richard Smith
gl with that one
guess there's no post about <filesystem> and friends.
 
i.e. the cool TSes.
 
Byte order conversion is everything in the networking section.
Impressive.
 
yup
shitty named functions to boot
 
Something the language already supports just fine, but with horrible function names.
Something that isn't even networking-specific.
 
9:47 AM
Standard committee might have been desperate for a <net> header :v
 
Something that doesn't even cover networking needs properly.
Oh come on.
> Network byte order is big-endian, or most significant byte first (RFC 2781 section 3.1).
 
namespace {
    std::mutex m;
    std::atomic<bool> fuck_llvm = false;
}
void Codegen::InitializeLLVM() {
    if (!fuck_llvm) {
        std::unique_lock<std::mutex> lock(m);
        if (!fuck_llvm) {
            llvm::InitializeAllTargets();
            llvm::InitializeAllTargetMCs();
            llvm::InitializeAllAsmPrinters();
            llvm::InitializeNativeTarget();
            llvm::InitializeAllAsmParsers();
            fuck_llvm = true;
        }
    }
}
is this correct?
 
An instruction typename<T>... that expands members identiers of type T into a variadic template. Each type of n-th element of typename<T>... is a const char* and each n-th value is the identier of n-th member of T, expressed in UTF-8 encoded;
 
ISTR something about how it's broken but I don't remember if it was fixed
 
wth
 
9:49 AM
RFC 2781 is... "UTF-16, an encoding of ISO 10646"
 
Xeo
@DeadMG std::call_once?
 
right.
 
which header is that in?
<thread>?
 
<mutex>
 
9:52 AM
> The fundamental problem here is that the basic_string class currently only accommodates fixed width encoding.
ARGTHgf.
Why did I go in the Asylum?
 
the fact it's proposal season :P
 
ah goodie.
thanks
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm amazingly decent
 
object.operator->()->GetType()
Function Wide::Semantic::Expression::GetType has no address, possibly due to compiler optimizations.
 
Oh well, Dietmar is grabbing the reins and setting everyone straight. No need to involve myself. Phew.
 
9:57 AM
POSSIBLY THERE'S AN ADDRESS IN THE VTABLE, YOU MORON
 
Why are you calling it like that?
 
can't use just object->f(); when object is a smart pointer.
 
..?
 
...
VS debugging C++ 101- the debugger won't use operator overloads.
one of the many, many things for which it has shitty support.
 
Oh right. Visual Studio. Forgot people still used that.
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9:59 AM
don't have a great deal of choice in the matter really.
it's certainly not that I think that VS is an effective environment.
 
@CatPlusPlus did you know you can just use an IDE if you want to depend on magic tool availability :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, it does depend on what exactly is meant with "accommodates" (the virtues of vague wording!)
 
@sehe He meant it wrong, because it's not a problem in any way.
 
@DeadMG what about you and QTC after all?
 
the problem with that is that I'd have to rebuild LLVM and Clang.
to even give it a shot
... and Boost.
 
oh no rebuilding boost
anyway, leave it for the night vOv
 
10:05 AM
Yeah. It's annoying to rebuild everything.
Rebuilding all my libraries and stuff takes up a whole day for me.
 
yeah but you do it like once
 
frankly, it amazes me how fucking annoying Boost manage to make building it.
 
@DeadMG bootstrap & b2
 
Boost is pretty easy to build.
 
that's pretty much it
 
10:06 AM
it's two commands
 
yeah, maybe if you want them all to be built as DLLs with RTL DLL and in debug mode.
 
@sehe This belongs in a build system, not an IDE
 
@DeadMG sounds alright for debugging
 
I don't build DLLs.
 
and you want to build all the Boost libraries, even the ones that don't build in that version for that compiler, instead of the sublibrary you want.
 
10:06 AM
b2 allows you to specify multiple build targets.
like debug, release, multithreading, static, dynamic etc.
 
@DeadMG what's the problem with that again
 
@BartekBanachewicz it allows you to, but actually doing so is quite annoying.
 
just build everything seriously those 10 minutes you lose is nothing
watch a cat videon in meantime
 
hmph
 
> I've found it very stimulating and it's opened my eyes to the complexities of Unicode and the (well-taken) caution of the standardisation body. I think I shall pursue that expertise as it's an interest of mine, and see what happens. I shan't submit anything this time around.
 
10:07 AM
I know that C++ is a terrible language and working with it is a major PITA
 
@DeadMG No.
 
with Clang, LLVM and Boost, it's more like an hour plus
 
oh noes.
 
during which my machine is totally unusable for everything else.
 
10:08 AM
so?
 
1. writes proposal
2. decides to acquire expertise in the subject
 
take a shower
go outside
 
b2 allows you to specify what libraries to build.
 
meet people
 
I think you should look at b2 --help because iunno your problems.
 
10:08 AM
1 min ago, by DeadMG
@BartekBanachewicz it allows you to, but actually doing so is quite annoying.
 
Don't know. Didn't have a problem.
 
it says you can use --with-library but neglects to mention how to actually USE that option.
 
o.o
 
for example you try --with-library=program_options or --with-library=ProgramOptions or something
but no, too fucking obvious for Boost.
 
Puppy, seriously
you waste hours in a fucking SO chat
 
10:09 AM
it's the first
 
There's --list-libraries or whatever
 
and then complain that building boost takes too long
 
@CatPlusPlus too fucking obvious for Boost.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, but if you do --with-library=libraryname from that list, it still doesn't work.
IIRC you're actually supposed to do --with-libraryname.
which the help does not at all explain.
 
anyway I'd rather spend a few hours compiling than lose way more hours wrestling with VS
 
10:12 AM
personally I don't feel confident that QtCreator will be much better; my previous experience of such tools is that they were even worse than VS.
 
so you'd rather stick to VS that you know that sucks
 
ConEmu has crashed for the first time ever.
 
it's pretty funny from this perspective
 
:(
 
not ConEmu, puppy and his journeys
 
10:14 AM
Why is it that you and ThePhD both have a hard time with everything?
You two confuse me :c
 
Ven
o/
 
They're secretly Pawnguy
 
because we prefer to use our development tools, instead of develop them as well as developing the program we're trying to build.
 
Because they insist on doing things "their own way"?
 
I don't even know what that means.
 
10:16 AM
@DeadMG so you spend majority of your time complaining about your tools, naturally.
@CatPlusPlus yeah where is that guy
@Ven hi there
 
Ven
WTB Intellij C++
o/ Bartek
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, they suck.
 
"intelliJ" is kinda for Java by definition... they're Jetbrains
 
WTB WebGL haskell bindings
 
it's not that I don't think that VS sucks pretty hard
 
10:17 AM
but it does.
 
Ven
@ScarletAmaranth wat
 
it's just that trying QTC would involve a pretty substantial chunk of time for me and my current experience is that all the tools suck.
 
but then again, I agree that C++ tooling in general is pretty terrible
 
Ven
You can install anyything else with the plugins stuff :o)
 
@DeadMG I think you're overvaluing your time.
 
10:18 AM
it's my time, of course I value it highly
 
It's not like if you spend a few days evaluating different IDEs the Wide's deadline won't be met
maybe because it's a project that's doomed to fail anyway, or maybe because you can actually improve your workflow
 
but it's also not like he's going to live forever
 
I know... but it doesn't work that way.
I had similar attitude in high school.
 
what doesn't work that way?
 
I felt like every second spent not on working on my game/engine was lost, so I carried pen and paper and took notes and wrote pseudocode everywhere and everytime possible.
 
10:20 AM
Bored.
It's 6:20 AM. Guess that means I should sleep soon.
 
But sometimes it's beneficial to stop working for a while.
 
and work on getting your tools to work so you can work more? :D
 
w/e, do something different
also not more, but more efficiently
or at least less annoyingly
 
people view their own projects differently
 
Oh but of course. One is common, though; each and every person values their projects and time.
 
10:21 AM
just because you have the will to stop working on your projects doesn't mean that things don't work as others think
 
well, let's see.
qmake? oh yay, another build system
 
God forbid you learn a new build system :v
 
plus, I'd have to find another C++11 stdlib on Windows, libc++ is too immature and libstdc++'s more recent incarnations aren't Clang-compatible.
 
@Rapptz :D
@DeadMG in general QTC allows you to use pretty much any build system you want
 
Nooby here (well, at c++), with header files, what do you include? I am pretty sure I know you are doing forwards declaration, but do I have to put in all my vars, or just functions, classes? Etc...
Okay...
 
10:30 AM
@Mixerman123 "what do you include?" - files with code
 
Yes, but what do you put in the header file?
Just functions?
 
depends. in header-only style, you write your full code there and include it
you can, if you want, put only declarations there, though
 
@DeadMG QTCreator understands CMake, and can build using the VS toolchain
 
No.
You can put anything.
 
But you dont write c++ code in the header file... ?
 
10:31 AM
wait, badly phrased
 
do you?
 
@Mixerman123 you can
 
class foo {} is a definition, btw.
 
god damn it
 
Yeah I know that
 
10:32 AM
not saying you should use it (I haven't bothered with it), just throwing the info out there :)
 
would you cut me mid sentence IRL too
I hate you all.
 
lol
 
yeah, function declarations, class definitions and class forward declarations, if you want the implementation in .cpp/.c++
 
@jalf Yar, but then what's the point? I'd still be using the VS debugger for debugging :P
 
@Mixerman123 obviously there are no variables to be put into header because you don't use global variables
 
10:33 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Chat messages are atomic though, so you should only blame your inability to make use of that :P
 
@DeadMG I dunno, I didn't follow the entire discussion. :)
 
ah
well, I was complaining about VS, and other people asked me why I bother using it
 
QtCreator has its own debugger UI though
the people here who switched to it use it 100% on Windows, replacing VS both for writing code and for debugging
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes eh, I know. Do you own a Polish copy of Le Petit Prince?
 
No. Do you have one for sale?
 
10:34 AM
still using the VS compiler toolchain
 
seems to me like most of the alternatives are either shit, don't support Windows (e.g. lldb, libc++), or don't work together properly (e.g. clang/libstdc++), or more than one of the above.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I figured I could look out for one here and bring it with me. Not for sale, though :P
 
Another issue for you genius', (I did search this up on Stack overflow, didnt help). I have a window object, and I need to pass it to one of my objects (a particle) so it can call a draw method. How can I send it over? Tried referencing, and pointers. Both gave errors.
^Noob
 
ok
this is not an "Ask the experts" question.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why would you bring it then?
 
10:35 AM
this is a "I need to read a book" question.
 
and then "I need to learn how to ask questions".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes silly robot. :)
 
Wow.
 
libstdc++ works with clang
idgi
 
10:36 AM
you don't seem to understand either what you're trying to achieve or what the failure is.
 
I'm not sure what you're trying to replace though. If it's the compiler toolchain and stdlib, mingw works pretty well afaik. If it's the IDE, QtC is a pretty good replacement for VS
 
Him and ThePhD have an emotional attachment to VS and can't let go.
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@Rapptz O really? Because last I checked, Clang advertises itself as GCC 4.2 so you can forget C++11 support in the library, and secondly, Clang and MinGW have ABI disagreements on Windows if you want something more recent than 4.6.
 
@Rapptz clang on windows is still a somewhat "exciting" combination though, afaik ;)
 
@Rapptz you just don't seem to understand what the failure is.
 
10:40 AM
@chmod711telkitty well, I'm not to decide which selfies you put online, of course
@CatPlusPlus (I agree. I wrote my own tools :))
@BartekBanachewicz actually, "includes" need not be files :)
 
@sehe when was the last time you saw an include that wasn't a file though? :)
 
@jalf Preferably, all of the above. Maybe I'll just try downloading a more recent MinGW and still shipping 4.6 with Wide.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think it's a type specification (or is there a hidden ; :))
 
@jalf ~2 weeks ago, when I ogled Wave (again)
@BartekBanachewicz there's no include there
 
10:44 AM
@sehe really? What do they include then?
 
@BartekBanachewicz why the arguments in main when you don't even use them :/
 
unicorns
well it is in the standard
but in all seriousness, concatenating files together is as shitty multifile code structuring process as it gets
 
int main() // is in the standard too
 
where the fuck are cppnow 2014 talks : - \
 
Your title is quite poor. Please update your post with a more appropriate title that describes the issue you are having. — MicroVirus 3 mins ago
@Rapptz IT WORKED!
 
10:49 AM
haha
He even has Virus in his name.
It's truly spreading.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wut?
 
People are too lenient with titles on SO. It ruins search.
I started spamming comments about them and now someone else picked up as well.
 
Xeo
cool
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I typically fix the title myself
 
hmm
well, QtCreator seems to be working OK with MinGW w64 4.9 but it doesn't seem to want to hit my breakpoint for some reason
 
11:07 AM
uh
GD.se is such a swamp
 
inorite
 
Xeo
FlashDevelop, y u no conditional breakpoints ...
 
@jalf whatever you choose, obviously. The standard doesn't require includes to refer to files. You can configure Wave to read includes from a remote database, if you feel like it
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz So Puppy lives there?
 
@sehe Ah, I'd never really looked at Wave. I always figured it was just a bunch of complicated preprocessor macros. I guess it's a custom preprocessor? Yeah, it can do whatever it likes then, obviously :)
thanks for enlightening me :)
also fuck MSI
the installer, not the hardware company (although fuck those too)
 
11:16 AM
^ lol
 
he nailed it
 
user1804599
Oh my god.
 
@jalf That's PP
 
user1804599
Gonna give a presentation at two. :v
 
user1804599
For potential customer.
 
11:17 AM
do you have your sexy clothes on?
 
I got a free dessert with my order, but it immediately melted and proceeded to spill all over my mousepad
 
user1804599
Yes. :3
 
So nice bonus there
 
very nice
 
user1804599
I have tight jeans and shirt and my sunglasses in my hair.
 
11:18 AM
whoa; go easy on them
 
@CatPlusPlus Immediately? :o
 
Ven
nice blog btw rightfold
 
user1804599
Thanks! :D
 
Did they have a laser pointed at your dessert or something?
 
@jalf It was packed together with hot food
 
11:19 AM
@Ven yeah, love the bread-crumbs
 
Ven
@sehe do you even foo bro
 
user1804599
It's not breadcrumbs.
 
user1804599
It's a navigation bar.
 
right
(fold)
@Ven I do, actually
 
@rightfold I get 404 Not Found when I click on 27 Apr 2014 » Dependency Injection in Haskell
 
user1804599
11:21 AM
Everyone does.
 
You only get the title free
For the content you have to pay
 
Paywall not implemented
 
3 mins ago, by Ven
nice blog btw rightfold
^ then that doesn't make sense...
 
user1804599
402 Payment Required
 
11:22 AM
It's called 'sarcasm'
 
Ven
OH: We need a real 420 error code
 
You might have heard of it
 
@CatPlusPlus TIL
 
okey so websockets 0.8.2.3 — 30 minutes ago
where is HaskellWebGL I ask
where.
 
@HamZa don't buy your humour refills off eBay, dude
 
11:24 AM
@sehe I don't use ebay. Btw, I forgot my PP password sighs
Why the hell are you here -- stealing other people's ready-made code? — user3668629 5 mins ago
 
user1804599
Pirate Party password.
 
I forgot to vote yesterday -_-
 
I agree. Too many silly people on stackoverflow. — sehe 8 secs ago
voted to close/dv (and flagged two comments)
 
I didn't forget to not vote
 
hehe
@CatPlusPlus !!true
 
user1804599
11:28 AM
I forgot that voting was pointless.
 
I still have hope in humanity
 
lolwot
did I enable vim editing in FPcomplete
I was clicking at keys and wondering why I can't type anything :D
 
Anyone here have less that absolutely horrible experience with FUSE (filesystem in userspace)?
 
sshfs is ok as long as you don't lose your network connection
 
Ah these users who overwrite your edits with shitty stuff
~fuck you~
I'll let your post rot
 
11:40 AM
I like my gold badge hammer thing.
 
11:54 AM
wow
you know
writing the webGL version should be easy enough
 
Is there a use-case of a double variadic template list ?
Like `template<typename... T, typename... U> void f (T && ... t, U && ... u) {}`
 
that's at least ambiguous
which params will be in t and which in u?
 
Xeo
Packs that are not at the end of the function parameter list are non-deducible.
 

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