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4:00 PM
@Cat can you remove the banner with the rules link? Or maybe just change it to the thread.
 
I changed it
You might need to refresh if you had it open because dicsourse
 
"Banner Topic" is such a ridiculous feature.
 
@CatPlusPlus Not really. I explicitely specify what I'm proficient out. Turns out that people don't care about that and so far I were able to help all of them.
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus I don't. which is why I haven't mentored anyone yet :L
 
You can't expect the mentors to be proficient with every possible task and technology out there, but neither is strictly necessary.
@Ell you got an account though?
 
4:01 PM
Hmm, I think I need to get a HANDLE to the current process that isn't -1
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yeah
but haven't offered because I don't know shit and I don't want to teach people the wrong thing
 
@Ell lol and puppy didn't
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What for?
 
@Ell well people out there know even less vOv
 
Ell
I'm not convinced puppy applied :p
@BartekBanachewicz true, I'm just not confident enough atm I don't think
 
4:02 PM
@CatPlusPlus For testing an hypothesis.
 
@Ell nah I think he does. He was jobless back then.
 
DuplicateHandle seems scary.
 
I don't think you can duplicate pseudohandles
It'll treat -1 as INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE
You'd need to fetch PID and do OpenProcess I guess
 
GetCurrentProcess says you can with DuplicateHandle.
 
all Xbone controllers for PC are wireless
did we discontinue wired controllers or sth
 
4:10 PM
nothing quite like moving to a new computer, and moving files that are still in a folder "from old machine"
 
@AlexM. they're a royal pita when used with consoles. Not a surprise
@AlexM. kinda
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: What would Bjarne do? [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
RIP typo
 
> The broadcast also became a footnote in ufology as some chose to accept the supposed 'alien' broadcast at face value, questioning the explanation of a transmitter hijack.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes brilliant :D
 
4:21 PM
That was me
 
> (I am affected (headaches, joint pains etc) by cell phones, wifi and so on) so I have done my research on this.
> I a not sure what it is measuring. but it measures it quickly & updates rapidly.
2
that should be the new motto of on SO
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So? (Did I miss your reply?)
Also, ew, you smoke.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes now that's not very friendly :p
 
huh
 
I'm just as friendly about that to my friends.
 
4:25 PM
@Ell wha
 
@BartekBanachewicz Gosh, that abuse of parentheses.
 
with apt-get, is there a way to output all the things I currently have installed?
 
@corvid that would be a long list
(try apt-cache too)
 
I want my laptop environment to be similar to my desktop's environment :\
 
4:28 PM
@corvid meh install stuff you actually need
 
Ell
open multi methods build 2 is working w00p
 
@Ell also zorbs blubbed the woop
 
while(running) rain();
damnit
 
It's mostly those annoying somewhat less obvious packages, like python-xml or things of that nature
 
@rubenvb get rid of that silly ` you silly
 
Ell
4:32 PM
I wonder now if it will work with &&
and const qualifiers
I don't think it will
 
It will, and it will be meaningless, I think (so, you can then move from a variable as long as you don't modify it - logically... right)
 
> Despite disliking hip hop, Board Member Pat Hardy argued that it should be included because, “These people (hip hop artists) are multi-millionaires … There are not enough black people to buy that. There are white people buying this.”
 
Ell
well. It doesn't work with const or volatile
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Didn't get around to it yet.
 
> 4GB available
> Not enough space to download 400MB Android 5 update
thanks android
very well coded.
 
Ell
4:42 PM
is && the property of an expression or of a value?
I'm getting confused again :(
 
T&& is a type.
expressions are lvalues or rvalues.
 
@Ell well, objects have types and so do expressions
&& is part of the type, if that helps
you could probably say that a value has a type, too, but I don't think a value would ever have type T&&
 
&& is an operator :P
 
Ell
I think I'm going to have to roll my own type which extends typeindex with cv and ref qualification
 
They should have picked T?&:&& syntax for universal references ;)
 
Ell
4:45 PM
because typeid(const T&) == typeid(T&)
 
@Ell Why do you need that?
 
@Ell Boost?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not sure I do :'(
but basically
atm I have std::unordered_map<function_signature, std::function<ReturnT(void*)>> overloads
where using function_signature = std::vector<std::type_index>
so you pass the OpenMultiMethod some arguments, it chooses an overload based only on the typeids of the arguments you give it
which is a problem because typeid(const T&) == typeid(T)
 
TIL tags with icons are sponsored
 
ie is so cute
 
@MarcoA. why?
 
look at that icon, I find it cute
 
Ell
okay now I need to learn how friend functions work!
oorrr I could just use a static class function
 
@Ell they have access to protected and private members; that's all
 
Ell
4:58 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I always forget their syntax though :S
 
static functions serve a different purpose
@Ell You declare a function friend inside of the class and then implement it somewhere.
why do you need that?
 
Ell
I thought I did. Not sure that I do now
 
@BartekBanachewicz People who don't get it claim that breaks encapsulation :)
 
Ell
Now my mind is breaking! I want a function that only takes rvalue refs to T
is this possible?
ie I want T&& non-forwarding ref
 
Is T a template parameter?
 
5:01 PM
@FredOverflow when used wrongly, it can.
 
484
Q: What are move semantics?

dicroceI just finished listening to the Software Engineering radio podcast interview with Scott Meyers regarding C++0x. Most of the new features made sense to me, and I am actually excited about C++0x now, with the exception of one. I still don't get move semantics... What is it exactly?

template<typename T>
typename std::enable_if<std::is_rvalue_reference<T&&>::value, void>::type
foo(T&&);
 
Ell
@FredOverflow yes
@FredOverflow right okay
I wasn't sure if I had to go SFINAE
or if I could do it with overloading/specialization
 
@BartekBanachewicz It cannot.
 
@Ell Is it deduced? Can you show us the function body?
 
Well, it can just as much as anything else can.
I.e., it's bullshit.
 
Ell
5:03 PM
@FredOverflow I haven't got a function yet. but it's basically taking cvref qualifiers and turning them into a runtime object
It could be deduced or not deduced
If I make it not deduced then I won't get a forwarding ref will I?
 
exactly
 
Ell
Ahh good point :P thank you :)
 
But why do you only want to take rvalues? Simply take everything and std::forward?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yet another tool that can be misused, yes.
 
You mean like... member functions?
It's just as abusable as that.
 
5:06 PM
Hm...
 
In fact, friend functions are strictly less powerful than member functions.
 
Does every friend function have to have an implementation?
 
Only if you call them.
 
Nope.
 
5:06 PM
Does anything
 
lol extension friend functions are go
 
You can't have virtual friend functions and you can't implement certain operators as friend functions. There's no other non-syntactic difference.
 
You can declare as many friends as you like. Unless someone wants to execute them, they can remain imaginary.
 
Ell
@FredOverflow I was originally going to overload on each ref type, but now I think I can just do it all with traits such as is_rvalue_ref :)
 
Executing your friends might be considered impolite
 
5:08 PM
@Ell Again, why overload on ref types? Why not simply take universal reference and forward that?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Just as much as every non-virtual member function.
 
lol funny
 
I'm not sure how friends having impl or not changes anything
 
Ell
@FredOverflow well, this is the class that it would be eventually forwarded to
I'll show some code
 
Well except for the fact that code that doesn't exist indeed cannot break encapsulation
 
5:11 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
I think I should start working on my own web framework
 
Which friend functions exist are determined by the class definition, just like for member functions. The set of member functions is closed and cannot be changed from outside the class definition, just like the set of friend functions.
 
@CatPlusPlus Better than Yesod?
 
Things I like about Yesod:
 
done.
@CatPlusPlus well it is in Haskell
ok ok jk jk
don't shoot
 
5:13 PM
2 hours ago, by Cat Plus Plus
I tried to write a webapp in Haskell, but it's real exercise in patience
 
@Ell Is T a class template parameter or a member function template parameter?
 
Ell
^I'm trying to make this class work
ie it takes static qualifiers and turns them into runtime values
 
Server clusters suck
Orchestration sucks even more
 
Ell
Meh I can't put this in the ctor because of (§14.5.2/5)
 
@CatPlusPlus Haskell requires patience in general. vOv. No shortcuts.
 
5:21 PM
@Ell template <typename T> QualifiedTypeID(identity<T>)
 
@BartekBanachewicz It ends up requiring way more effort for way basic things and giving little to nothing in return
 
Also note that summarize_value(T&&) is qualifier-lossy.
Probably important.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
fixed. I think...
 
@Ell It still loses "no-qualifier".
 
Ell
5:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes what would would a call to it with no qualifier look like?
 
summarize_value(0)?
 
Ell
isn't that an rvalue ref?
because 0 is an rvalue, right?
 
Xeo
@Ell s/_ref//
also, lvalue/rvalue-ness is an exclusive property
 
Ell
@Xeo yeah, it was just easier to have both
versus an enum
 
Xeo
you only need one bool
 
Ell
5:35 PM
But what if it's not a ref as @R.MartinhoFernandes said? though it doesn't work atm
 
Xeo
The information robot is talking about can't be obtained from within C++
 
Ell
Aw damn
 
Xeo
He's just mentioning it so you know (I think)
 
Ell
Ah okay
Well what am I to do now? :P
Oh I don't think I need it
 
Drink
 
@Ell I don't get it.
 
@caps the autumn sale happens today
which is a very weird time to start the autumn sale
because in a few weeks they'll start the winter sale
but there we go
few meaning 3
anyway, might as well join the crowd
I'll buy some shit that I need
 
Ell
okay this is good enough for me coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/78b1c9bf67d129e3
 
6:05 PM
lol Farming Simulator 15 in my queue
 
你好!!
Any chinese speakers out there? :P
 
No
Nobody anywhere speaks Chinese
 
It's an amazing language btw
 
Ell
Can you get refunds on steam if the game is buggy?
 
lol no
 
Ell
6:12 PM
balls
it doesn't even run
what a waste of £4
 
@Ell You should proof that this bug makes game unplayable
 
You can try support but you're unlikely to get anywhere
They usually only refund big failures
The so-bad-we're-pulling-them-out-of-store kind
 
@CatPlusPlus +1
 
Ell
fuck it I'll not bother
they'll fix it eventually maybe
 
I just played Need for speed world a few minutes ago, the feeling of regret wasted time bothers me
What a cute video even though I don't understand Cantonese(Chinese language dialect)
 
6:17 PM
Thanks?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ?
 
Ell
Man this happened last time... why can't it find boost::hash<type_index>
@ProblemSolver wth is this
 
@Ell looks like you got "horny" :D
2
 
Ell
haha lordy
 
6:30 PM
Oops,
Damn I wanted to reply , but edited my message instead -_-
@Ell I hope you seen my first reply :P
 
Ell
@ProblemSolver I did :)
 
@Ell Great! But I wonder what others do think about my edited message :P
 
such a beautiful evening
-3 C, all foggy
wish there was snow tho :(
 
user1804599
7º master race.
 
Oh god subzero temperatures are starting
wtb spring
 
6:39 PM
we had -9 C yesterday in a different area
 
I really hate showing because It often causes to the power failure
and I don't have a laptop
 
user1804599
Don't worry; Sub-Zero is awesome.
 
> Infestation is a Survival Horror MMO that immerses players in a zombie-infested, post-apocalyptic world in which a viral outbreak has decimated the human population leaving in its wake, a nightmare of epic proportion.
More zombie games wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
user1804599
 
Btw @Cat, any idea when Crawl will be out?
 
6:50 PM
Powerhoof's? It's in early access
 
@ProblemSolver well it's kinda language "porn"
 
Oh.
Have you tried it?
 
wtf ever since yesterday my start menu icon has stopped responding to clicks
 
I'm kinda on edge when it comes to EA games
 
6:51 PM
@rightføld I once encountered a showerhead that looked not unlike that. I didn't shower for week
@AlexM. security update
 
you mean an update caused this?
 
It's dead, Jim.
 
user1804599
@sehe Too afraid it would cut off your afrokapsel?
 
Dead as a dead thing
 
6:53 PM
Early access
 
@rightføld no more like it looked that bad cheese was coming through the pores
@AlexM. you consented!
 
user1804599
ohh lol
 
@CatPlusPlus ea.com
 
Not Electronic Arts.
 
6:53 PM
@sehe Not really , I mean it's the "porn" about unknown language
 
user1804599
I thought you talked only about the machine, not about the image.
 
Also, ow, wall.
 
Good job
 
@ProblemSolver funny that you reply to your exact own message with "Not really"
 
6:54 PM
ITT Cantonese is an unknown language.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Look at the bright side: this way you don't miss your stop
 
That reminds I'll likely never learn Nuxálk and that's sad.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/unknown/unbeknownst/
 
Dead language: any language other than Chrome wait what
 
Dead like Jim
 
6:56 PM
Poor Jim
 
Jim doesn't die. Spock does.
Spockler alert.
 
@sehe Actually the answer to your question is trivial..
 
Literally Spockler
 
@ProblemSolver funny, because there is no question
 
Well, unless you consider that JJ Abrams thing. Then Jim dies.
And then they find the cure for death and live happily ever after. Literally.
s/live/love/ is really awkward.
@Cat EA didn't stop you with Factorio, though.
 
7:00 PM
No, but Factorio has a demo
 
@sehe Yea, I should be more careful in reading a chat list
 
Fair enough. It's annoying that demos died out in the 2000s.
 
@ProblemSolver No you shouldn't :)
Hi btw
Did you solve a problem today?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah demos are great
 
@sehe Hi , Hi .. I did solve the problem about "how funny to spend the time at 12 am "
 
7:03 PM
Using assembly is faster than using plain C++. — user3725053 4 hours ago
 
The spolution of this problem is quite simple actually.. Can you guess a solution?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sounds like liflaf
Yes. Zeno's paradox.
There is no time at 12 am - it's a moment with zero length
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'll probably buy it, but I peeked and it's version 0.2 right now, so probably not soonish
Maybe if there's some compelling gameplay videos
But it's kinda early early
 
@Mysticial Really? Writing assembly code is faster than C++ ? lol
@sehe oh yeah...damn american time format
 
user1804599
@sehe SMAKELOZE KOTS
 
7:11 PM
😓😓😓😓
 
@ProblemSolver nothing. nothing at all to do with that
 
@sehe This is a problem I'm thinking at
 
Fuck that site
 
@sehe Oh.. you're a Conservative geek
 
I'm not.
Or well maybe I am, but using Opera is not a sign of that
 
7:15 PM
Well it was my attempt partially to guess your personality
 
I'm so glad I can upload multiple files with Vagrant
 
user1804599
If you have very few visitors who use Opera it's not worth it putting effort into making your site work in Opera.
 
==> mgmt: Running cleanup tasks for 'file' provisioner...
==> mgmt: Running cleanup tasks for 'file' provisioner...
==> mgmt: Running cleanup tasks for 'file' provisioner...
==> mgmt: Running cleanup tasks for 'file' provisioner...
==> mgmt: Running cleanup tasks for 'file' provisioner...
==> mgmt: Running cleanup tasks for 'file' provisioner...
==> mgmt: Running cleanup tasks for 'file' provisioner...
==> mgmt: Running cleanup tasks for 'file' provisioner...
==> mgmt: Running cleanup tasks for 'file' provisioner...
Ugh I'll have to write rubby
 
user1804599
 
@rightføld Opera would die or evolve
soon*
 
7:18 PM
It already did
 
user1804599
Unless someone advertises it well it won't gain many users.
 
Doesn't matter, it uses WebKit now
 
they were to mess up with webkit
 
user1804599
It's a wonder it still exists.
 
It's p much Chrome
Doesn't need much additional effort to support
I'm glad chat preserves whitespace at the end of the message
 
7:21 PM
Well.. why market does need the second chrome..
 
user1804599
What software shall I make?
 
@CatPlusPlus rewrite it, while you're at it
 
@Lightness oooh, cool, the OST disc makes a star wheel when in the box.
 
I just might
 
@rightføld is it the question to a room?
 
7:23 PM
@rightføld there's also no point in harassing your users about it with a nonremovable banner of ugly
 
user1804599
@ProblemSolver it's the question, yup.
 
user1804599
@sehe AdBlock problem solved.
 
no need for ad block :) It's Opera, remember
 
user1804599
I use that word for any equivalent software.
 
7:25 PM
@rightføld Alright, I have no an answer as I don't know what you prefer to work with
 
Opera, for instance
@ProblemSolver the more obscure, the better
 
user1804599
@ProblemSolver I like C++, Clojure, Elixir, Perl and Scala.
 
Parallel extensions to hierarchical graph databases in elixir, with a backend in postgresql (using the nodejs drivers)
 
user1804599
also author of Annex y u no hurry up
 
Oh. The English word is also 'planisphere'.
 
7:27 PM
@rightføld mickey?
 
user1804599
What is mickey?
 
@rightføld oh.. I 'mabout to create a mobile app.. seeking an inspiration in apple/ android store
 
user1804599
Sounds like a nightmare.
 
@sehe Your words remind me the story of IE 7
@rightføld What exactly? Idea to seek an inspiration in app store? :P
 
@rightføld Sorry, I meant mickk. The author of Annex
 
user1804599
7:32 PM
no the other annex
 
user1804599
 
@rightføld Ok.Seems like The message about nightmare wasn't intended to me . Dummy me
 
Can't figure out what latitude it is set for :S
Probably something US-y.
 
@sehe You checked suggested by me a problem?
 
That word order literally sounds Greek to me
 
7:37 PM
The problem I suggested **
 
No
 
@sehe Alright, then I'm off
 
7:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's a bad target to aim for
 
Ell
@rightføld this looks cool
 
Nevermind
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes haha
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's pretty cool
bet you paid for it though
 

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