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12:00 PM
Who most likely breed for profit.
 
so what?
you want a pet, you get a pet
 
Xeo
@AlexM. Really? "So what?"
 
why is getting a pet from an owner obsessed with the pet's future such a requirement?
 
Xeo
Do you know why animal shelters are so crowded?
Why so many pet animals live in a horrible condition?
 
how is that related to you needing to buy a pet
 
12:01 PM
@AlexM. Breeders like that typically don't take care of the animal enough to go over the neutering, vaccines, and the like.
Which is a pretty hefty cost.
Not to mention bad past living conditions for a pet is essentially a no-go for the well being of the animal in the first place.
 
less than the cost Xeo paid to not get kittens if you ask me :D
 
@AlexM. Erm, because you are supporting the people who raise those animals in horrible conditions. Let me guess, you buy battery hen eggs?
 
I buy eggs from the supermarket, I don't know where they come from
 
Hens.
 
Ell
12:03 PM
Can someone tell me what's wrong with this simple integral? tinyurl.com/qg7sakr
 
mathurl.com next time
 
@Jefffrey seriously not even once
 
Ell
@Rapptz ah cool cheers
 
@AlexM. Then you should fucking check
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit uh really
 
12:05 PM
@BartekBanachewicz yes, really
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what do you suggest, not eat eggs?
 
@AlexM. no, I suggest fucking checking
 
Ell
@AlexM. he just told you what to do :P
 
read the packet
 
yes
 
12:06 PM
"Hey, ma, it says free-range!" "Awesome! Put it in the basket!"
 
Ell
I don't check where my eggs are from. I make sure they are free range but idk where they're from
 
let's suppose the packet says "coming from battery hens"
why should I not buy it?
 
"Hey, ma, it doesn't say anything :(" "It'll be beans tonight then sweetie"
 
I want eggs
 
Cue "I want eggs, I buy eggs".
 
12:06 PM
this isn't fucking complicated
@AlexM. are you serious
genuinely angry at you right now
7
 
ITT LRiO is genuinely angry at someone over eggs
 
you can be if you want, I'm not going to start checking if my eggs are made by battery hens or not to promote some sort of higher good in the animal world
 
think about the hens
 
how do you have pets m8?
genuinely curious
 
12:08 PM
I don't, I left them at home when I moved out
 
well that figures
you eat battery eggs without a care in the world and you abandon your pets in an empty house to an uncertain future
 
it's not empty, my parents are there
 
imma call the animal police on you
 
How do you charge battery hens?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Excuse me. You're under arrest for battery." then wait for the DA to prosecute
 
12:09 PM
@Ell integral of u^-2 is -1u^-1 not -2u^-1
 
I can confirm this.
 
Ell
@Rapptz oh damn of course, cheers
idk how anyone thinks keeping battery hens is moral
 
@Jefffrey seems reasonable?
you've got a sequence of implicit string conversions to and from int
 
yeah, because adding a string and a number should result in the evaluation of the string + the number reconverted back to string.
why make sense when you can not make sense.
 
If a lib uses preprocessor macros for their stuff that are unwieldy but follow a standard syntax like LIB_MACRO_FOO , can I write a macro that goes : #define SIMPLE_ LIB_MACRO_ ?
 
12:19 PM
you can do anything you'd like in your life
 
don't be evil library user
 
but you need to understand the consequences of your actions
"if you had shared ownership" and what about unique_ptr? Pointers are not ambigious about ownership, you can make them ambigious about ownership just like you can do it with references. — doc 1 hour ago
lol
 
@Jefffrey What did you expect instead? You used + not ..
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I dunno. A type error would be nice.
 
@Jefffrey It doesn't get "reconverted back to string" at all.
@Jefffrey It's dynamically typed, bruh
 
12:21 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That doesn't prevent a type error
 
@Jefffrey And adding together two numbers shouldn't cause one
 
Variables have a dynamic type iunno.
If you chose to go with runtime types, at least give me runtime type errors.
 
don't silently do something that makes no sense whatsoever
 
you make no sense.
 
Ell
12:22 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit didn't he say string & number?
 
no you!
 
How does it "make no sense whatsoever"?
 
Dynamic typing doesn't mean there has to be stupid implicit coercions on every corner
3
 
Hoe does it "make some sense"?
 
Weak dynamic typing is the worst typing discipline
2
 
12:23 PM
You took 2 and 10 and concatenated them stringwise to make "210". Then you added 2, resulting in the number 212. Then you wrote this number to console.
Derp
 
so?
 
@Ell The string "210" contains a number.
I deliberately didn't say integer [type]
 
That doesn't make it a number
 
who gives a crap what it contains
it's a string
 
It does in a dynamically-typed system with implicit conversions
 
12:24 PM
a sequence of characters
 
Dynamic typing is irrelevant here
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit a string containing a number is still a string
 
You can have the same effect in C++
 
So you want, what? "210"+2 to be rejected? You want to have to call some conversion function to get 210?
 
12:24 PM
Yes
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes?
 
@Ell a string containing a number is still a number
 
rejected
 
@Ell that's totally retarded
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no, it's not
a string is not a number
 
12:25 PM
you're using the wrong language
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, it's a string.
 
>>> "123" + 123
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
TypeError: Can't convert 'int' object to str implicitly
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol what. "an apple is still a pear"
 
I would go apeshit if C++ pulled crap like this on me. but Perl is not supposed to be C++. it has an entirely different paradigm. It's for scripting.
 
12:25 PM
@Ell that's not at all what I said and you know it
 
Unless you want a string containing "LRiO" to implicitly convert to a dumbass.
2
 
Implicit conversions are dumb
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit LOL
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you said a string ... is still a number
 
> scripting
 
12:25 PM
@Ell You're either not listening or being deliberately obtuse.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
@Jefffrey Yes, Perl is a scripting language.
Go back to the 1990s and learn something
 
lol
 
Jan 16 at 13:05, by R. Martinho Fernandes
A number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number is a number. :( If you want a string of digits, that's not what a number is. — R. Martinho Fernandes 1 min ago
 
yeah, totally relevant
 
12:26 PM
Irrelevant
 
that's what I said
 
It applies to any language equally
 
ITT the exact same logic should apply to every language
 
Well except those that use retarded typing
 
12:27 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So is Python, and as @Cat has just shown, it throws a type error at you when you try to implicitly convert between completely unrelated things.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit like if "scripting language" gave any meaningful information in this discussion
 
well, just let me know when you guys have learnt some common sense and then we can continue the discussion :)
 
Also no such things as "scripting language"
 
@Griwes and it's bullshit because the intent of "123" + 123 is extraordinarily clear
 
Oh fuck off I forgot I shouldn't bother talking to you about anything serious
 
12:27 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is it?
 
I don't know whether Python has two different operators for concat and addition, but Perl certainly does
 
I'd say it is supposed to get you "123123".
 
@Griwes Yes, it is.
@Griwes No, you used the arithmetic addition operator, not the concatenation operator.
 
Yeah, yeah, right.
 
12:28 PM
Try finding it extraordinarily clear when it's variables in real code, and not fucking literals
 
good comeback
@CatPlusPlus nice strawman. we're talking about "123" + 123
 
blah blah blah
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I disagree. But even if it may be for string literals, it wouldn't be for arbitrary strings
 
for the record I don't like this kind of paradigm. which is why I use C++ and not PHP
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit are you implying that 123 . "!" is somewhat valid?
 
12:29 PM
@Jefffrey how do you compose a number with a string?
 
don't answer that
 
@Jefffrey It clearly should treat 123 as a codepoint!
 
@Jefffrey Somewhat, yes. . clearly means you want a string out of it
because that's what . is defined to mean in that language
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes, it's a compilation error
 
i said don't answer that
stahp it
 
12:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz why would you write code intending for it to fail to compile
@Jefffrey don't ask it then
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well fuck knows why, ask people who do that. I don't write such code.
 
Or rather, I avoid writing such code.
 
programmers.txt
 
Actually I can accept 123 . "!" being a string
 
what's wrong in show again
 
I cannot possibly accept "123" + 1 not triggering an error though.
 
or whatever (bad) equivalent of Show your language has
 
@BartekBanachewicz . would have implicit show
it makes some sense
for integers anyway
I can't wait to try "banana" + 1 or "1e2" + 1
> print "1e2" + 1 . " dalmatians";
does that give you a hint of what's the result?
> Argument "banana" isn't numeric in addition (+) at main.cpp line 1.
At least it gives a warning they are enabled
 
12:41 PM
I wouldn't want implicit to-string conversions either
 
Arqade seems to be 99% minecraft
 
Hell I don't even like bool coercions
 
user1804599
Perl is awesome.
 
Ell
@Rapptz needs some factorio up in there
 
user1804599
No.
 
12:45 PM
@Rapptz When did it get that name?
 
since forever ago
 
Ell
> how to Receive/Send Data From Client on Server if Clients and Server both on different Network in c# socket programming ?
good luck with that^ :L
 
user1804599
Only possible if said networks are connected.
 
user1804599
Or if the computers are also on a network to which they are both connected.
 
@rightføld uh
@CatPlusPlus explicit operator bool is on the fine-ish side
sometimes "valid" is obvious
 
12:49 PM
I don't like it
 
user1804599
bool coercions are terrible.
 
Ell
can if call explicit bool operator?
 
user1804599
you get used to them and tend to break things
 
time for skrillex
@Ell yes
 
user1804599
yum bitter lemon
 
12:51 PM
Yes.
 
shit I hate working under pressure
dubstep helps
 
user1804599
then don't work under pressure vOv
 
Ell
work in space
 
user1804599
Prevent pressure.
 
pervert pressure
 
user1804599
12:54 PM
Why are you under pressure?
 
@rightføld wow
 
@Rapptz A few rough edges?
 
@rightføld not up to me now
 
user1804599
1:09 PM
> However, this syntax is not readable and confusing.
 
user1804599
That sentence is not readable and confusing.
 
@rightføld perl?
 
user1804599
Java.
 
lol. what syntax was that about?
 
user1804599
The retarded a.b syntax where a is an instance and b is a static member.
 
user1804599
1:12 PM
Also trrrrrrrricky problem.
 
user1804599
I think threads' stacks must have weak references to channels while waiting for being able to send or receive.
 
user1804599
Fuuuck I have to implement weak references.
 
@rightføld dumb
 
user1804599
Maybe he just started learning C++.
 
1:19 PM
@rightføld Then why is he a C++ developer
he's a software engineer that "mostly work in C++" so somebody has hired him to work in this language
 
user1804599
well fcuk
 
user1804599
How are weak ptrs implemented? Some neat trick or just a set of pointers to them in the shared ptr's metadata?
 
Xeo
You mean std::weak_ptr?
 
user1804599
Yeah.
 
Xeo
The shared metadata has a weak refcount.
in addition to the strong refcount
 
user1804599
1:22 PM
Ahhhhh I see.
 
user1804599
Nice.
 
Xeo
The userdata is destroyed when the strong refcount reaches 0, the metadata is destroyed when the strong and weak refcount reach 0
 
user1804599
Dankeschøn!
 
What's your guys' take on Julia (the programming language slash compiler aka only implementation there is)?
 
Xeo
dunno, duncare
 
user1804599
1:25 PM
I wanna GC threads when they are waiting for a send or receive operation that can never complete.
 
@rubenvb I've heard it's weird
 
user1804599
Who is Julia?
 
@rightføld A programming language slash compiler aka only implementation there is.
 
@rubenvb never seen it
 
I can't copy and paste from chrome to email o_0
I had to drag the text like some savage
@cat you have some extension thingy to hide cruft from chat, right?
 
1:31 PM
 
user1804599
 
@LucDanton almost certainly
 
1:44 PM
Hence why I said hens!
 
zing
 
@rubenvb It’s neat.
A bit sad that it doesn’t refine as quickly as I hoped it would—things like silly startup times, or complexity of installation makes it a bit too noob-unfriendly.
Also graphing stuff isn’t fun. That’s a big drawback.
 
TARS YOU BASTARD DOCK THE FUCKING SHIP
y'know, they were incredibly lucky that the Endurance's spin was on-axis
 
Hahaha
I reused TemplateView internal variable accidentally
Which caused Content-Type to be set to shit
And it only got noticed because IE was the only browser that complained
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
1:55 PM
I'm dead the irony is killing me
 
Ell
hahah
 
@Bartek was right
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All glory to IE
 

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