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2:01 PM
Bratek is always right — føld
 
@LucDanton Oh that sucks :(
It looked like a cool concept, but I don't quite see what it could bring over stuff like NumPy. Except sane parallelization.
Cause Python's threading interface sucks.
 
@CatPlusPlus I think the SVG scaling on SE sites is broken, and Opera is the only browser that complains :)
 
@sehe The Presto Opera you mean?
 
Nah. Opera opera.
 
How does that work then
 
2:04 PM
It renders like shit on Opera
 
Maybe they broke something in their WebKit :v
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey looks perfectly reasonable.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's IMHO a mistake in the movie.
 
@CatPlusPlus Wait wat. Presto was the WebKit thing, right, I said: not using that
 
No, Presto was their earlier engine
 
2:06 PM
No way a radical explosion like that results in an on axis rotation.
 
They switched to WebKit some time ago
 
Oh. Then forget what I said: yes Presto Opera (interesting they never found a need to advertise that name until they sold out switched to WebKit
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, you'd reckon I know that. And I'm not using it o.O
 
@sehe Techically, they switched to the Google WebKit fork thing
I don't remember what is was called.
 
Blink
 
Yeah, that.
 
2:07 PM
New Opera is p much Chrome and not even that much reskinned :lol:
 
And a sad stoop regarding keyboard control
I really hate them for doing that. Now we'll have to wait another 10 years for a community to grow around chrome-based browsers to do the largest part of what Opera always did
 
@rubenvb Yes I suppose you're right
@rubenvb can't believe I only just thought of this
/cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
mmh I thought Opera went through three engines, starting from their own one.
 
Possible. That would explain my blank memory slot indexed #Presto
 
I’m still waiting for private tabs to come back…
 
2:11 PM
I'm glad Firefox survived the WebKit wave.
At least some competition on the browser market.
 
Ell
does firefox use gecko?
 
And IE got better too, which is nice.
@Ell Yes, for now. They're writing something from scratch in Rust.
 
Ell
@rubenvb oh cool
 
@Ell It's called Servo.
 
Ell
yah just found it
 
2:13 PM
It's research project though
 
or so they claim
 
If it's worth anything it'll make it into mainline in like 5-10 years. If it's crap it'll die a silent death.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they built an entire new browser around it instead of integrating it into Firefox mess
 
eh it’s been paying Rust dividends already, not sure about the silence
 
user1804599
@rubenvb I heard Netscape was also rewritten from scratch and that that was an epic failure.
 
user1804599
2:16 PM
also hurray even more crappy platforms to support
 
user1804599
lol does this even work
 
Ell
@rightføld nope don't think so
 
web is terrible because of JS
inb4 but ecosystem
 
2:19 PM
@rightføld Yes they tried to refactor the whole thing but took too long and then IE got a few new versions in and Netscape died
not unlike Firefox vs Chrome, frankly
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Your definition of "fine" is pretty... interesting.
 
@BartekBanachewicz cool
 
I wonder if the code you write and review is also deemed "fine".
 
user1804599
If client-side language was any other language it would still be shit.
 
Ell
I forgot how to differentiate implicitly
 
2:22 PM
the code I review is rarely deemed "fine"
the code I write is spectacularly good
 
Ell
man servo is downloading rust again
 
@rightføld I don't trust your opinion on languages.
 
user1804599
Ok.
 
user1804599
That's irrelevant anyway since the web isn't a language.
 
Ell
I think JS is fine also
 
2:28 PM
@Ell You also think Ruby is fine.
 
Ell
I think some kind of bytecode would be more optimal but still
@BartekBanachewicz I always forget your problem with ruby
I understand it doesn't have good modules
 
You understand nothing, Ell Snow.
 
@rightføld ikr
 
Ell
but I mean you think lua is fine so :P
 
How do you unlock purple science pack again?
 
Ell
2:30 PM
let's just call it even stevens
 
@Ell Lua has completely different use cases where I consider it fine.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey research alien technology
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz same wrt ruby
 
I did.
 
user1804599
And you need alien artifacts to make it.
 
user1804599
2:31 PM
To get alien artifacts you have to kill a nest.
 
@Ell I don't consider ruby fine for anything.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz now that's just ridiculous
not even pseudocode? :P
 
@Ell For me your appreciation of it is.
 
Ell
not even simple addition?
is 1 + 2 bad in ruby? :P
it's no different to lua
 
What's the point of looking at such isolated parts?
Did I ever say that there are no parts of ruby I consider fine?
 
Ell
2:33 PM
you said it wasn't good for anything
which implied to me that you think there are no parts you consider fine
 
user1804599
@Ell 1 + 2 can return anything in Ruby.
 
user1804599
irb(main):002:0> class Fixnum
irb(main):003:1>   def +(*args)
irb(main):004:2>     42
irb(main):005:2>   end
irb(main):006:1> end
=> nil
irb(main):007:0> 1 + 2
=> 42
 
@Ell That means I wouldn't use it to solve any problem. I would use something else.
 
user1804599
Have fun.
 
user1804599
Now this being possible isn't bad in principle.
 
user1804599
2:34 PM
The bad part is that this horrible kind of shit is actually done actively in the Ruby community.
3
 
user1804599
Even parts of the standard library do it.
 
Ell
@rightføld that's just bad programming though right?
hey people in c++ still use free & new & malloc & delete in the nude
 
@rubenvb It's not!
 
user1804599
irb(main):001:0> 1 / 2
=> 0
irb(main):002:0> require 'mathn'
=> true
irb(main):003:0> 1 / 2
=> (1/2)
 
user1804599
Have fun.
 
2:36 PM
It'd be a mistake if the movie ended there.
 
@rightføld now you're shitting me
@Ell and we explicitly call it bad. From what @rightføld said it would be that ruby community doesn't
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz we do, but lots of other people in the c++ don't. why would they do it otherwise?
Ruby has features that are easy to abuse I agree
 
user1804599
X using new and delete doesn't affect the entire program, only X.
 
@Ell Why would you use Ruby? What is it good at? Why should I (or anyone) learn Ruby?
 
@Ell They're also abused very often, like monkey patching.
 
Ell
2:41 PM
@BartekBanachewicz it's good at DSLs :p
 
@Ell How would you compare it to Terra in that regard? Because it's a language designed to write DSLs in it.
 
Ell
I haven't looked into Terra enough to say
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Explain yourself, Robot.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How so? Is Firefox dead then?
 
Ell
@rightføld yeah this is bad
 
guys, do you see price being more like a pair (currency, value)? or do you call "price" the value itself and the currency is something separate?
 
2:44 PM
@Ell Point being, Terra is exceptional at writing DSLs. I can't possibly imagine Ruby being better. I'd pick Terra over Ruby if I had to write a DSL.
@AlexM. Currency is the type or unit of value. Are you thinking code or IRL?
 
basically there's this thing that formats prices based on the "number" (value) and the currency which dictates the symbol that gets thrown in
 
user1804599
@AlexM. The data type?
 
Ell
Currency is a quantity like distance is a quantity or area is a quantity
 
and I think "number" is not a properly named thing
 
user1804599
I'd call it amount_of_money and store a currency and a number.
 
Ell
2:46 PM
currency and price is as distance is to height imho
 
user1804599
A price is a value of that type.
 
user1804599
There price is ten euros, not ten.
 
@rubenvb Er, it would be a really stupid ending if the movie ended there.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's still a mistake in the movie.
 
No, it's not. It's what keeps it going.
 
2:48 PM
@Ell And it goes for everything. Ruby claims to be the jack of all trades, while it's master of none.
 
lol what? they could've skipped the whole 1000g rotation scene and had the bad guy (I forget his name) dock at the side.
Then they'd have to chase the ship, for a long time, dodging debris and shit.
Star Wars style.
 
Oh wow.
I'm glad you're not a screenwriter.
 
@rightføld but if you were to have them separated in a...
std::string FormatPrice(float value, Currency currency);
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol me too.
 
would you be okay with the names for everything?
it looks good to me but then I asked myself what's a price, what's a value and what's a currency and if the price is the combo of both or not
 
2:51 PM
@rubenvb The mistake was letting him leave the planet.
You can't fix anything after that.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz ruby just claims to be simple and productive
 
@Ell so does every other language on the planet. That's called marketing.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz so it doesn't matter what it claims? :P
so you saying it claims to be anything doesn't matter
 
@Ell Not in the slightest, unless the claims are actually supported by anything
 
Ell
why did you bring up what it claimed then? :P
 
2:54 PM
@AlexM. Does that float represent amount of the currency? That's just wrong.
 
@Ell You did. I just asked why should I learn Ruby. You answered with marketing.
 
user1804599
@AlexM. watno
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz what. you brought it up first!
6 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Ell And it goes for everything. Ruby claims to be the jack of all trades, while it's master of none.
 
@Griwes it's probably the value that gets returned from whatever server in-app purchases are received from, no clue
I'm reviewing someone's code
 
user1804599
More like std::string FormatPrice(AmountOfMoney price).
 
Ell
2:55 PM
you told me ruby claimed something and I looked it up and told you what ruby actually claims
 
"Do not use floats for money, you moron."
vOv
 
Ell
not that either of those claims are relevant, we both agree
 
user1804599
@AlexM. also -1 for using float
 
@Ell oh okay then. For me "simple and productive" is marketing nonsense. "Jack of all trades" is what I inferred from that marketing, but even that isn't true apparently.
 
@rightføld and AmountOfMoney is the pair (value, currency), right?
 
user1804599
2:57 PM
@AlexM. Yah.
 
8 mins ago, by Alex M.
@rightføld but if you were to have them separated in a...
 
user1804599
You can overload operators for it to multiply amount of money and number, divide amount of money by number and to add and subtract two amounts of money.
 
user1804599
Add and subtract would have to return optional though since you cannot add prices in different currencies.
 
yes, I agree with that
I was only wondering about the names
 
user1804599
Or make them partial functions.
 
user1804599
2:59 PM
Also look at Joda-Money.
 
I can't tell the people here to overload operators when all they do is take these two values, combine them into a string and show it in the GUI
 

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