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12:00 AM
OMG it might be working
oh shit
oh god
 
huh
 
omg
 
I always assumed that Taylor Swift made shit music.
but I picked a track at random and I actually kinda like it.
 
Her new CD is pretty good "pop" IMO.
 
I've still got a bunch of Lacuna Coil to go through
 
12:03 AM
Pop is not really my favorite genre, and hers is still not "the best," but it's good.
 
Ell
@Puppy that's why you shuoldn't assume stuff
 
That Taylor Swift genre switch reminded me of Maroon 5 :(
I miss old Maroon 5.
 
welp time for bed
I've got Work In The Morning™
 
user1646075
@caps if you just wanna party, get drunk and hit on people of your preferred gender, it fills the air with beats and notes...
 
partying is for the brainless
 
user1646075
12:06 AM
or those about to be brainless
 
that's what I just said.
 
@GuruAdrian I've pretty much never wanted to do that.
 
user1646075
@caps you should get out of the house more often.
 
@GuruAdrian Well, that is true. But that has nothing to do with that kind of partying.
 
user1646075
your place is like the playboy mansion?
 
user1646075
12:08 AM
so you never need to leave the house?
 
user1646075
that would be a scary place to visit. Would you feel safe even sitting down?
 
Ell
@Puppy it's for the people that enjoy partying too
 
@GuruAdrian Huh? How did you get that?
 
@Ell That's what I just said.
 
Ell
@Puppy no you didn't
you said for the brainless
 
user1646075
12:09 AM
@caps you like to party but you don't leave the house. Oh, you were serious?
 
Ell
3 mins ago, by Puppy
partying is for the brainless
 
which is a strict superset of "Those that enjoy partying".
 
@GuruAdrian I don't like that kind of party...
 
Ell
^see
@Puppy No it's not
 
user1646075
@Ell same deal
 
12:10 AM
@GuruAdrian But yeah, I probably should get out of the house a little more.
 
user1646075
Fear not. When puppy grows up he'll herd you and your species to the nearest hoe-down.
 
user1646075
just make sure the 'barn' doesn't have chimneys.
 
You are not making sense.
 
user1646075
your avatar? a cow?
 
user1646075
an emo cow by the look of it.
 
user1646075
12:13 AM
and by chimneys I mean it might be a slaugh enough
 
Ell
12:35 AM
This room seems quiet of late
 
user1646075
maybe too quiet.
 
user1646075
maybe we're plotting a prank at your expense
 
I've never been fixing this many errors on so many different libraries.
 
Ell
 
@Jefffrey I look forward to seeing how long it takes you figure out how many of those were really fixes, and how many introducing new bugs... :-)
 
12:45 AM
@JerryCoffin No worries. Unit tests will surely catch all of those nasty bugs.
 
@Nican Sure they will--because no matter how many bugs people write in normal code, their tests are always perfectly bug-free!
 
It was a long and pleasant ride.
 
well, testers usually have a script that finds out some bugs the first time round. fixes are done to pass those 'hurdles' ... passed the testing usually means passed certain set of tests.
 
@Ell Repost m8
 
Ell
Gr8
 
12:55 AM
lol
Good morning.
 
Oh, my minor celebration for the day: passed 250K rep. So many useless Internet Points I have no clue what to do with them.
10
 
congrats :)
also, did we miss your birthday :p
 
Ell
Congrats Jerry
 
@chmod711telkitty I quit having birthdays when I turned 50. (And thank you).
@Ell Thanks.
 
@JerryCoffin Congrats! And yeah, Stack Overflow needs to enable point monetization.
 
Ell
12:59 AM
What do you want for Christmas jerry?
 
user1646075
his two front teef
 
@Ell world peace Whirled Peas. Oh wait--the only way I like peas is when they're really fresh (i.e., eating them while standing in the garden).
 
user1646075
somehow I thought this would have been english songfacts.com/detail.php?id=9570
 
my_map[foo->key()] = move(foo);
is this UB?
 
1:12 AM
@zneak Food for the pedants thought.
 
Ell
No
 
as in foo->key() is guaranteed to be executed before move(foo)?
 
Ell
Yes
 
Not only that, but move(foo) has no effect anyway.
 
I think no too.
^ yup that.
 
1:13 AM
move(foo) having no effect is a very strong argument.
 
So if were wrong, then a[compute(b)] = b would have no hope of working either.
 
yeah, no matter if it happens before or after, the move assignment happens last anyways
 
It needs to get the element (a reference to it) first before assigning it.
 
Now I want a 3d printer
 
@Borgleader catching up on reddit?
 
1:15 AM
this is beautiful
 
I think there's a topic on Stack Overflow about that. Just can't remember.
 
@zneak Yes, whoever did this is a genius
 
1:29 AM
are you telling us that the laughing buddha needs to exercise? :'(
wait, the laughing buddha is fat, so maybe buddhism is trying to teach us that fat people are happier
 
user1646075
it's telling us that Buddha is back, and he's very very angry.
 
I'm Batman Buddha
 
user1646075
this time it's personal
 
@chmod711telkitty you merely adopted the food, i was born in it, molded by it
 
user1646075
apologies for the genre bending
 
1:36 AM
6
Q: really fat hockey goalies

Bachrach44I've always wondered why some creative hockey team doesn't find a sumo wrestler, strap a pair of size XXXXXXXL skates to his feet, and tell him "sit there in front of the goal". Simply based on their size they should cover most (if not all) of the goal, making it all but impossible for the other ...

I've always wondered the same thing.
 
@Mysticial Same
 
@Mysticial Most of a hockey goal is at relatively low level--even if somebody has a colossally huge waist, they start to get a lot narrower from, say, the knees down, and that's a lot of the area that matters the most.
 
I just googled for "fat ice hockey goalie" and found a bunch of images that only Telkitty would post here.
 
Ell
TIL about cortana
 
@Ell Halo or Windows Phone?
 
Ell
1:49 AM
Windows phone
Surely google will win this race
 
s/cortana/Windows phone/
 
user1646075
@Ell some of them are nice...
 
@Mysticial ...but most really good goalies are much more agile than large. Just for example, Patrick Roy was pretty famous some years ago--NHL all stars game every year from 1996 to 2003, Stanley Cup winner, etc. -- and at six feet tall and 190 pounds, not exactly skinny, but certainly not extraordinarily wide either.
 
Ell
I mean googles "virtual assistant" will surely win
 
@Ell There's no race to win.
 
Ell
1:50 AM
Google have the greatest amount of data indexed
@mark I guess not a race
 
@Ell If you read more into it, it's mostly agreed that Cortana is much better.
 
user1646075
how often do they all send to advertising-related places
 
user1646075
/deeply suspicious
 
@Ell Also you don't want an ad company for that.
 
Ell
Why not?
 
1:57 AM
s/personal/promotional/
 
Ell
I'd rather relevant than irrelevant ads
 
And something something ad targeting.
Some people do find it useful.
 
@Ell I'm not at all sure of that--while it clearly has a much smaller market share, MS has invested a lot into Bing. Since Siri also uses Bing for web search, they may have more market share (especially of assistant-based mobile searching) than is immediately apparent (and they can use data collected from Siri-originated searches to improve results for Cortana users too).
@Ell Not sure that's what matters the most anyway. At one time, alltheweb.com tried to make a big thing out of the fact that they indexed a lot more data than Google did--and there's no question they did, but they never gained much market share, and closed years ago. They indexed a lot of data, but didn't index it as well.
 
user1646075
@MarkGarcia only IF I'm interesting in buying something, and I'd kinda appreciate it if the sites they showed were local, and I'd appreciate it if the shit was actually relevant more than occasionally.
 
Ell
2:04 AM
True
Also I didn't know siri used bing
 
@Ell It's known that Apple's newer iOSs use Bing for search. Their cloud also uses Azure (and AWS). It wouldn't surprise me if Siri also uses those.
Also, dat Apple-Microsoft anime style friend-foe relationship.
 
Xeo
aw shiet, 3am
I think I gotta sleep
 
@Xeo if i went to bed at 3am, i would only sleep 2h30 min
 
Better than no sleep.
 
@Xeo This is generally assumed to be true, but I think you should do a test of exactly how much caffeine is needed to avoid it.
 
Xeo
2:08 AM
I don't drink anything containing caffeine
 
user1646075
i've never bothered with Bing. Are there noticable differences, or much the same results?
 
@Borgleader You wake up at 0530? What the hell is wrong with you?
 
Ell
@aclarke bing is good for porn
 
user1646075
heh - WOW! must try
 
@GuruAdrian Try searching ".net console.writeline".
 
2:10 AM
@Xeo I do when driving long distances (maybe twice a year) but that's about it any more. OTOH, until my late 20's (or so) I drank ridiculous amounts of it (all Mountain Dew, all the time).
 
user1646075
ewww with the freakin' forest background.
 
@Xeo No tea?
 
user1646075
@MarkGarcia all porn. @Ell was right.
 
@GuruAdrian Disable safe search for more! ;)
 
maybe someone could start a discussion "fatness & religion", I wonder whether the global weight gain could push more people into buddhism
 
Xeo
2:16 AM
@LucDanton nope
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty I dunno. Buddha was supposed to have gained wisdom. The MTV generation seems to be getting dumber and dumber
 
both Jesus & Allah are pretty skinny
 
@chmod711telkitty lol. You probably meant Muhammad.
 
user1646075
Moses had a paunch
 
@Xeo But Früchtetee :(
 
Ell
2:20 AM
I want to start blogging about programming
Or anything, really
I wish I had something interesting to talk about :(
 
user1646075
the pizza delivery industry?
 
Ell
That's not interesting
 
user1646075
how about becoming a social justice warrior.
 
user1646075
stand by for q
 
Speaking for SJW, next time I'll create some software with access control on it, I'll be sure to replace "Permission denied" with "Check you privilege".
@GuruAdrian There.
 
2:26 AM
@GuruAdrian He said something interesting, not something stupid.
 
user1646075
duhhh wrong context
 
user1646075
sorry, thought you were referring to the impending q from some drop-ins
 
user1646075
which didn't happen. oh well. we sit here, waiting for acolytes, and they don't speak up.
 
Ell
I might write about implementing open multi methods
 
@GuruAdrian My acolytes' job isn't to speak up--only to send me virgins.
 
Ell
2:30 AM
Maybe its not so interesting for other people
But I don't write enough
 
user1646075
@JerryCoffin mind if I production-test them first?
 
user1646075
don't want to send faulty units
 
Ell
Hmm what was robots benchmarking util called again
 
damn I thought you said "robot". Where's my apostrophe?
@Ell nonius something.
 
@GuruAdrian I'm fine with doing the QA, but point out (yet again) that when I use "virgin" the concern is much more about females who are young and gorgeous than actual lack of sexual experience.
 
user1646075
2:43 AM
I think we can deal.
 
user1646075
AND I can only pretend to supply what's contracted. It's a win-win
 
@JerryCoffin I have a 2 hour commute =/ (Wake up at 5:30, leave at 6, get to work at 8)
 
user1646075
sounds like at least 1:30 sleep right there.
 
Xeo
alright
almost 4am
 
@Borgleader Yish--I've done something on that order (most of last summer) but found it very difficult--by the time I got to work, I was already tired.
 
Xeo
2:48 AM
time to sleep
screw you, Factorio!
 
@Xeo G'night.
 
user1646075
ciao. Straight to dreaming for you.
 
Good night.
 
@JerryCoffin It is exhausting. I've been doing that since April. Currently looking for an appt that's closer to work.
 
user1646075
Don't forget to put the cat out, or he'll just end up in here mewing complaints about everything.
 
2:53 AM
6 hours ago, by Jefffrey
I foresee addiction in your future.
 
@Borgleader I'd certainly prioritize that--in my case, I didn't really have much choice (was doing consulting, and the client chose the hotel where I was to stay) but it was pretty depressing being exhausted all the time and feeling unproductive virtually all the time I was at work.
 
Ell
@xeo just read flamingdangerzone.com/cxx11/2013/03/11/overload-ranking.html . and some of @r.martinho s posts. With help from @luc . I feel blessed being in the presence of such clever people!
I want to buy you all beer/mead/whatever you drink
And you @jerry
 
user1646075
@Ell are you saying Jerry isn't clever? but you'll buy him a drink anyway?
 
Ell
Haha no I'm saying I want to buy him a beer too
That gives me an idea
 
user1646075
i have a paypal...
 
user1646075
3:02 AM
actually no i don't
 
Ell
A website where you can buy people beer
Their address is kept private but you can send them a beer and a message
 
user1646075
heh - nice idea. and a pizza
 
Ell
For showing small acts of gratitude to people
Yeah could be other stuff
Youd set up your profile where you put your favourite drink down and then advertise the link
I'm gonna make this tomorrow
Nobody steal this idea!
 
But I'm an artist!
 
Ell
Hmm not sure how this will work wrt getting it delivered
And buying it :3
 
user1646075
3:12 AM
Use of the unless keyword in any language should be punishable by genital torture.
 
user1646075
unless this_thing == something <<== HEY, EVER HEARD OF THE != operator?
 
user1646075
Sad thing is, I used to use unless in a project because it irritated another guy. I think he infected me.
 
Ell
Unless isn't terrible imho
Anyway
I'm gonna get some kip
 
user1646075
it chips away at logic.
 
Ell
Night :)
 
user1646075
3:15 AM
ciao for niao
 
Good night.
 
user1646075
geez you're late too.
 
> internal compiler error: in cxx_eval_store_expression, at cp/constexpr.c:2492
 
@Ell Thanks for the free idea m8.
 
user1646075
Prior art!
 
cute
 
sprite.size().x // width or height?
 
nobody knows
 
It's width
at least for every API I've used
but I was thinking about it
and it doesn't make sense to me
 
what is wrong with people
 
4:07 AM
ah wait
nah I can make sense of it
 
@Rapptz Size in the x-axis.
 
I suppose the y axis can represent height
 
Like that.
 
and the x axis can represent width
 
IIRC SFML does that too.
 
4:08 AM
in SFML it's width
 
Some classes have getSize() which returns a sf::Vector. Or is it just getRect()? Hm.
 
@Rapptz Is this a (length, width) vs (width, height) deal?
 
getSize returns sf::Vector2i
which has an x and y member
which represents width and height in the context of getSize
 
As long as you name it reasonably when you assign from it, then no problem.
 
@LucDanton A lot of APIs reuse their vector/point class to represent width/height when called with a getSize function or similar.
Hm I guess x for width is fine
would be cool if you could make a class std::tie-able more easier
 
4:15 AM
I meant the source of your (initial) 'doesn’t make sense'.
@Rapptz Reinvent Boost.Fusion! :)
 
std::tie(width, height) = sprite.size(); // neato
 
nice
 
@LucDanton Just some useless confusion on my part.
@LucDanton When I think of Boost.Fusion I think of macros.
 
Hi everyone.
 
hi
 
4:21 AM
no fuck you
you start burning down stores I'm shooting you in the face goddamnit
this is just stupid
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey ???
 
>watching CNN
lol
 
user1646075
ohhh rioting/
 
the grand jury decided that the policeman that shot that kid at ferguson was not guilty
 
4:22 AM
worst US news network
 
and people are protesting
they have burned two police cars and now a store
they have also looted like 10 stores
choose stream 2 if you are not seeing anything
 
When reading a binary file (that would be a file where SO would be 534F) why can't you use functions intended for string manipulation like you normally would? For example why can't you slurp in the file, save it to a string, then output it using cout << ? Is it just because cout breaks it because it doesn't contain any null terminating characters?
 
@Rapptz Presumably you can write the boilerplate yourself.
 
yeah I just have to write a conversion operator but
SDL_Point is not something I can easily extend.
 
Conversion?
 
4:28 AM
operator std::tuple<int&, int&>()
to allow std::tie I mean
 
Does it have to be std::tie?
 
or is it template<typename T, typename U> operator std::tuple<T, U>() who knows.
 
my_own_fusion::tie(foo, bar) = baz need not intrusively modify the class of baz
 
feels like overkill though
just theorising really
 
Well, I did say 'reinvent' :)
 
4:46 AM
@Rapptz what's a better news network?
 
No such thing as good news in America.
 
I said "better", not "good" :P
 
Anything that isn't CNN, Fox, and MSNBC is better.
Basically the local news networks.
 
gun fires now
wow
 
This has been going on since August.
How is this new?
 
4:49 AM
police is backing up due to gun fires
 
I don't understand why people are paying attention to it again.
 
because it seems a war zone
 
It's been like that since August.
Did you not read about it back then?
 
I doubt it has been like this for more than 24 hours.
 
I'm pretty sure I posted it here.
 
4:50 AM
There would be martial law easy.
 
lol
I don't blame you for being ignorant about US news but at least don't argue about it.
 
The city would be in flame if it was like for more than a week.
Are you looking at what I'm looking?
because they are burning 3 buildings per hour now
 
I'm not remotely surprised, no.
Well actually
I'm surprised there are still places to loot and burn.
So yeah I guess I'm slightly surprised.
 
lol
they seem to be savages
 
Yes.
This happened because someone got shot on August 9th.
And they were shouting police brutality.
It's sort of ironic.
 
4:55 AM
like, what is the message you are sending by looting and burning buildings
I don't get it
 
The protesters were originally not the ones looting and burning.
 
user1646075
"send in the national guard and repress us some more"
 
Those were just people riding on the protest's craziness.
I'm not convinced that's not the case, esp. since CNN is reporting this and they like sensationalism.
 
yeah
@GuruAdrian I would have sent the military forces and curfew when they began burning down buildings
I would probably give ~5 hours to leave, and then it's shoot to kill time
sorry
 
@Rapptz There undoubtedly are at least some of those--but also undoubtedly at least a few sincere protesters who've gotten carried away as well.
 
5:01 AM
> sh: 0: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory
 
people protesting violently is one of my pet peeves
 
creduce produces those messages from time to time, with no apparent ill effect
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah I'm sure it's gotten out of hand now. It's been 3 months.
Anyway gonna play vidya.
 
@Jefffrey There are actually quite a few alternatives. Just for the obvious example, Tasers are pretty effective. I think they're heavily overused, but in a situation like this might be reasonable.
 
@JerryCoffin not enough teasers I believe :/
if they start teasing even a single person, things risk to escalate very quickly
 
user1646075
5:03 AM
@Jefffrey rubber bullets are very effective. And the water cannons from those armoured trucks. For anyone carrying a fire-arm, an eye for an eye sounds reasonable.
 
Booderee National Park office hours: 9am - 4pm
 
user1646075
@JerryCoffin I don't think the cops would be willing to get taser-close in a situation like this
 
I'm fairly sure they don't want to answer hardly to not risk another dead and 6 more months like this.
 
@Rapptz Yes, but this is more directly a reaction to the grand jury handing down no indictment. Quite a few people want all the breaks to work one way. When OJ Simpson was found "not guilty", even though it's quite apparent that he really was guilty, many saw that as a really great thing. In this case, there seems to be little room for question that the evidence is even less clear, but they want him prosecuted (and found guilty) anyway.
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey re-grammar please?
 
user1646075
5:06 AM
I don't suppose the cops there have video running from the cars?
 
user1646075
wonder what evidence was on that.
 
@GuruAdrian I think that they are not reacting as hard as a situation like this would require, due to the fact that don't want to risk killing another person.
 
@GuruAdrian When it's already gotten completely out of hand, probably not. And make no mistake: it is a tough situation for the police. They're already accused of brutality, and almost anything they do right now will almost undoubtedly be seen as more of the same--and even if they were clearly protecting an innocent by-stander, if the so much as bruised somebody in the process, many wouldn't accept it.
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey that's a fair call. Maybe eye-for-an-eye is extreme, as were other suggestions in this very thread ;-/
 
@GuruAdrian an eye-for-an-eye clearly is extreme--but at the same time, riots like this clearly put everybody in the vicinity in danger. If the police back off and the rioters kill somebody else, that'll be (at least considered) partly the police's fault too. Situations like this put the police in a position where anything they do is going to be wrong.
 
user1646075
5:11 AM
@JerryCoffin yup - so - riot squad, rubber bullets, dogs, water cannon. what else?
 
user1646075
tear gas
 
@GuruAdrian All of which Fox News will proclaim was too little to protect innocent by-standers, and CNN will proclaim was police brutality, taking revenge on innocent citizens for showing their own shortcomings (and, truthfully, there probably will be at least a little of both).
 
user1646075
soudns like they're deploying things like that
 
@JerryCoffin CNN is saying that there should be a more firm reaction from the police
 
@Jefffrey Sorry--I was just picking names out of the air, not trying for an accurate prediction of who would say what. Point is, no matter what they do somebody's going to claim it's too little, and others are going to claim it's too much (and most will probably be motivated more by their own beliefs, prejudices, etc., than any objective evidence).
 
5:39 AM
creduce has a --slow flag as well as --sllooww
 
So many ads.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:04 AM
If you are right-handed does that usually mean you prefer arm wrestling with the right arm? I wonder because I'm left-handed and I'm used to using the right arm for this. But that's probably because my opponents are usually right handed.
 
Yes.
 
in C#, 6 hours ago, by Reed Copsey
and if it's enterprise oriented java, there's also the cost of extracting the bullet from your brain after the first couple of months to consider....
 
-7
Q: What would Bjarne Stroustrup's answer be to the "median of 2 sorted arrays" interview quest?

Failed Software DeveloperDuring an interview at Groupon.org I was asked how to find the median or 2 sorted arrays. They said I could write it in whatever language I felt most comfortable with. They were scanty on specifics (Do I use the average of the 2 middle elements if the merged array has even size???) but the interv...

lol
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: What would Bjarne do? [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
7:19 AM
I do know vector. But now the variable names are given, so I can't just write array[i]=1, I have to write a1=1; ... a32=1...which makes me wanna use macro. — Lynton 40 secs ago
lol
 
@Jefffrey sounds like an XY problem to me
 
yeah
Also I want to congratulate this guy's teacher:
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Q: C++ program using standard library containers

user3819671New to standard library containers and my teacher asked a question like this at the end of lecture today for us to learn them Write a C++ program that reads int from standard input until the end of a file and then prints them in reverse order--one per line. Use the standard library containers to...

 
Oh OP.
 
7:36 AM
5 hours ago, by Ell
I wish I had something interesting to talk about :(
yea me too
 
s/to talk about/question to answer/
^ mine
 
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A: Translate goto statements to if, switch, while, break, etc

FalainaI thought this would be worth sharing here. I saw this on Reddit one day, it's an implementation of goto to an arbitrary line number (in the same .java file) via a custom class loader. It's a fun piece of code. http://steike.com/tmp/goto.zip . I take no credit for it. Edit: For those who are cur...

> GotoFactory.getSharedInstance()
A goto factory singleton? Really?
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