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Ell
12:00 PM
I also just found nationalreport.net/…
I should read things before linking them anywhere :L
 
That's a hammer.
 
no
that's nothammer
 
it's !hammer
 
oooh, it's a crowbar
 
Xeo
There's also the !bremse.
 
12:06 PM
@thecoshman No. It's a hammer.
 
@Xeo ... where's the fly?
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes it says clearly enough it's not.
 
now we only need nails
 
@aclarke golden.
 
12:08 PM
@aclarke Shame on you.
 
user1646075
i was actually looking for a 'this is not a drill' showing a hammer, but that looked so much better
 
user1646075
@R.MartinhoFernandes quick catch!
 
Fuck FunnyJunk.
@aclarke I'm a PBF fan, so I recognised it immediately.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes which reminds me - haven't checked oglaf for a while... /squints eyes just in case
 
user1646075
phew - safe
 
12:12 PM
Pity PBF updates so slowly.
 
user1646075
i thought it was permanently stalled
 
It's just extremely erratic and very very slow.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes some of the best (web) comics are IMO
 
The exception!
Extremely regular (despite the name), and very fast-paced.
Oh yeah, huge time sink warning.
 
user1646075
too late.
 
12:23 PM
 
¬_¬ when you finally find a free stall, it's like the previous guy just exploded down it.
 
boring talk, but at the end there was a fun quote. A guy in the audience introduced himself as working for a hedge fund, and asked for the feasibility of a certain refactoring
presenter's answer: "you work for a hedge fund and have all the money in the world, so what's not feasible?"
 
12:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes My question is what happens when T == U. I have an idea for what type to return for metres/seconds. Metres/metres = (double | %)
 
@JohanLarsson Same as when T / T?
 
but what does it mean?
 
It's a dimensionless quantity.
 
yes of course
 
You can also make it quantity<T, 1> instead of T if you prefer.
 
12:39 PM
but should it be just a double or a type encoding dimensionles
I should try to read the docs for boost
or try F#'s UOM and se how it handles it
 
F# doesn't use distinct types.
Well, kinda.
 
true they live in the editor only
 
user1804599
int<a> and int<b> are distinct types at compile-time, but not at runtime.
 
user1804599
Given a and b are distinct units.
 
should still be possible to fiugre out how they handle it
 
user1804599
12:41 PM
Language constructs.
 
user1804599
If the language feature weren't there, you couldn't implement it.
 
@JohanLarsson I remember it as being a dimensionless quantity.
 
@JohanLarsson They just use no units for the dimensionless quantities.
 
E.g. I think units::quantity<units::si::dimensionless, underlying_type> is one such thing.
 
@LucDanton as in a type for dimensionless? Perhaps with conversions such as % promille
 
12:44 PM
1.0<> is not valid syntax.
 
That being said, the dimensionless quantities readily convert from their underlying type.
Oh I’m not so sure. I’m seeing f * units::si::dimensionless in my codebase (f is float). Could actually work just like any other unit then.
 
@LucDanton :S that's awkward.
I'd expect 2 * some_metres to be an easy way to double some length.
 
Well, there are other explanations: a) I was being super explicit b) the operators are overloaded so that e.g. 3.0 * some_quantity does the right thing.
 
Given that, one would expect that after y = 2 * some_metres, y / some_metres == 2.
 
valid point
 
12:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don’t think there is an obvious answer here.
Yeah I do multiply / divide quantities with floating point types.
 
Polymorphic numerical literals would be the ideal solution.
 
Nah, that wouldn't do always.
 
is "horsy" a word? as in doggy
 
"horsey", I guess.
 
12:52 PM
you can probably communicate successfully with it so I say word.
 
> In language structure, a diminutive,[1] or diminutive form (abbreviated dim), is a formation of a word used to convey a slight degree of the root meaning, smallness of the object or quality named, encapsulation, intimacy, or endearment.
you can get away with "horsey" as a diminutive
 
Curious rise in the 1920s.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanx
 
‘dim.’ is a dim. of ‘diminutive’?
 
12:53 PM
no
"dim." is a shortening for it
 
I don’t think pastry making has anything to do with it.
 
"[1]" is a wikipediapasteartifact,[3].
 
googling "shortening words" will yield more than pastry results
try it
 
oic
 
it's particularly hard for me to find diminutives in English, wtf
we have so many suffixes for diminutives in Romanian that it's trivial to add one to any noun
what would a diminutive for "table" be
 
12:56 PM
‘Tablet’ of course.
 
Xeo
lol
 
Phable.
 
tablette
lol
 
Ell
hmm gdb pretty printers haven't loaded automatically
 
that's not pretty
 
Xeo
12:59 PM
@AlexM. We got... two, I think. "-chen" and "-lein".
 
@Ell I’ve had to tweak my .gdbinit at some point, I’m not sure what triggered the change. It’s also specific from me using a snapshot though.
 
"table" is already the diminutive of "tab".
 
@Xeo Fraulein Maria
 
what about tablet then?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes le tab
 
1:00 PM
@Xeo -ling too.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hm, really?
 
Same roots as -ling in English, I'd assume.
 
lol, hardware store guide for choosing a server
step 6. "Think of the Windows OS you will need"
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Doesn't feel like a diminutive to me
 
Ell
maybe they don't come with the source
 
1:02 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes doesn't sound like a diminutive
 
Sucklings.
== -ling (Deutsch) == === Suffix === Worttrennung: -ling Bedeutungen: [1] Wortableitungen ("Derivationen") mit -ling als Suffix ergeben meist männliche Substantive, deren Wortstamm eine Eigenschaft der damit bezeichneten Person oder Sache im Sinne des Wortstammes charakterisiert. Das Ableitungsssuffix wird vor dem allfälligen Flexionssuffix eingesetzt. Die resultierenden Ableitungen können der Sprachökonomie dienen (und damit konnotativ relativ neutral sein), aber auch ironisch, diminutiv oder pejorativ verwendet werden. Damit ist eine mögliche Stilebenenbreite von fachsprachlich, standa...
 
I always thought of diminutives being used more for the
> or endearment
part
 
Who tabled this annoying discussion?
 
@AlexM. That's why they have all the rest written there, right?
 
more
not exclusively
 
1:04 PM
Also why "endearment" is listed last.
 
I'm most familiar with my language
where diminutives are mostly used to express endearment
 
Ell
who wants to bet my external sound card doesn't work on linux
 
@AlexM. that's quite sad, isn't it?
 
@AlexM. And not pastries either.
 
@Abyx I don't see why that would be sad
 
1:05 PM
@Ell Oh, I'm sure there's a driver for it.....(lol).
 
@AlexM. it's because your language is not wide-spread so it's basically useless
 
um, I already knew that
what's your point here?
 
that it's sad.
 
@AlexM. Dunno, wikipedia lists several examples that don't seem to be for that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know
 
1:08 PM
Now now, my little Loungers..
 
as I said, I always thought of diminutives being used more for the endearment part because I'm most familiar with my language where diminutives are mostly used to express endearment :)
 
I will be little if I lose about 25kg ... but then I will be too much under weight ~_~
 
@AlexM. But are they?
 
[<Measure>]
type m
let d = 1.0<m>
let meh = d/d // val meh : float = 1.0
 
@Abyx again, I do not see why
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
 
1:09 PM
I suspect you're merely missing other occurrences of them.
 
I can confirm that in my daily life I've mostly seen diminutives being used to express endarment
 
endarnment
 
End armaments.
 
Ell
well. the output works
and the input is great at recording usb connection noise
 
@Ell ok. ship it!
 
Ell
1:11 PM
okay the input works now
both are terrrible audio quality
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes unlikely
you're welcome to live a while in Romania and examine how people speak the language if you wish, though
people would rather use "small dog" instead of "doggy" (obviously translated) when not expressing endearment
 
Ell
it will do I guess :3
 
@AlexM. What about "puppy"?
 
@AlexM. Nobody claimed otherwise.
 
("puppy" and "small dog" are not really the same)
 
1:15 PM
puppy is more about age than size though, we have a word for puppies
 
@AlexM. whistles
 
we use "caine" for adult dogs, and "catel" for baby and young dogs
 
Wiki lists ‘ramură / rămurea’ as an example of Romanian diminutive.
 
if you want to add a diminutive to "catel" you'll get "catelus" which is used to show that said "catel" is especially tiny/cute/likeable/etc
 
@AlexM. Double diminutives are a feature in several languages.
 
1:17 PM
"catel" is not a diminutive of any word though
 
What about adjectives?
 
@LucDanton ramurea is the diminutive of ramura
"ramurica" would also be valid
 
How affectionate are Romanians towards tree branches?
 
enough to write children's poems about them
 
..or suckerfish?
 
1:19 PM
where are you trying to get here lol
 
Well you can use std::map with a custom comparator function so it's sorted on value instead of on the key. Then the "lowest" entry will always be yourMap.begin(). — Joachim Pileborg 2 hours ago
About half the time his contributions make me nauseous
I mean. Come on.
 
@AlexM. I don’t think the Wiki intended to list it, but I additionally suspect that ‘ramură’ itself originated as a diminutive (which is why it caught my eye in the first place).
 
@sehe what
@TNA Well if you have the key, then you can get the data. If you have the data you can use it to do the comparison. — Joachim Pileborg 1 hour ago
 
Ah, I’m seeing ‘ram’ as a synonym for instance.
 
is he mental
 
1:22 PM
@LucDanton ramura is not considered a diminutive for ram by the romanian dictionary
 
‘Originally’—I thought that was what @R.MartinhoFernandes was driving at.
 
so I cannot come with an answer on that one
dictionaries usually take those into consideration
"originally", "ram" was "ramus" (Latin)
 
The whole progression is a neat example, I think.
 
speaking of "ram", it's been a while since I saw that word being used
 
Ell
meh. pretty printers cause an exception
for me
 
1:24 PM
for you
 
Ell
I wonder if I need a newer gdb, or if it's built when gcc is built
 
Wiktionary does list the etymology (so, not the modern meaning) as a possible diminutive of ram but I don’t think I would call it a dictionary.
 
does anyone know any good tutorials on the math behind 3D graphics? I think I really need to catch up on that
 
Ell
open.gl
arcsynths's tutorials
 
hmm... "a reasonable amount of experience with C++", will any programming language more or less translate conceptually? Still not confident with C++
 
Ell
1:27 PM
I guess they aren't really math heavy either
 
@LucDanton I just don't see why the dictionary would document "ramurea" and "ramurica" as diminutives of "ramura" and it wouldn't do the same for "ram" and "ramura"
anyway, I got bored of this :\
 
Also keep in mind that suffixes are not the only possible process for forming diminutives, with English being an obvious example.
 
What’s ‘English’ a diminutive of?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes we were talking about Romanian though
 
@LucDanton Englishman? :P
 
1:30 PM
oo
 
@AlexM. Which happens to inherit several already formed diminutives from Latin.
 
can you give me an example of a diminutive formed with a prefix or infix?
because the definition of diminutive is "A derived word formed by adding a suffix..."
 
It's not.
"Bob"
 
"bob" is not a diminutive
 
Yes, it is.
 
1:32 PM
Robert
Hello guis
 
Hi Bob
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes citation needed?
 
How do I get good at C++ thx
 
@corvid you can do 3D graphics in any language
 
1:33 PM
> A diminutive of the male given name Robert.
 
that's not Romanian
 
No, it's Robert
 
@AlexM. Romanian is not linguistics.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah but I want to get at least mediocre at C++ because it seems to be the most popular for 3D graphics
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes linguistics are applied to specific languages
 
1:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Go SQL!
 
@AlexM. Or not.
 
@corvid "seems to be" [citation needed]
 
ok, I've stayed on this topic enough
 
@AlexM. Infix is quite common in slavic languages. No idea about romanian though.
 
Diminutives are defined by their function, not their formation process.
 
1:34 PM
> seems to be
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, but some languages have better library support than others.
 
About the whole unit discussion: units don't belong in computational code
 
I don't think making 3D graphics in python will work out well .-.
 
> dumneata (you, polite form) > mata > mătăluță
Wiki again.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what about people who are actually called Bob, as their given name?
 
1:35 PM
Everything should be converted to some handy unit at entry and output.
 
@thecoshman Bobby :P
 
@corvid I know you don't think (maybe not this particular one, but the site has a lot of examples in python
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...
 
@LucDanton that's not listed as a diminutive by the dictionary
it's listed as a derived word
but not diminutive
 
@BartekBanachewicz When will 4.5 be implemented
 
user1804599
1:36 PM
I wish I was competent enough to be able to comprehend OpenGL.
 
@Cicada soon.
 
@rightføld you're competent enough, just unwilling to put enough of effort into it
 
@BartekBanachewicz well it's not against python, the language, more that I think that requires certain levels of optimization to make it work correctly, no?
 
feel free to search for whatever word you're curious about
 
1:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz you forgot the 'tm'
 
@corvid no.
 
@BartekBanachewicz story of my life :P
 
user1804599
Yesterday I finally learned how to use sin, cos and tan.
 
@rightføld @BartekBanachewicz I think you were wrong.
 
@corvid In short, making assumptions requires some knowledge. If you have no knowledge, you should stop making assumptions and start learning.
 
user1804599
1:38 PM
And how to convert between Cartesian and polar coordinates in 2D.
 
@thecoshman he just said he did learn something
 
@rightføld really? that's basic knowledge D:
 
@rightføld We're proud.
Don't stop there.
 
touche Bartek... I do know almost nothing about 3D graphics. Just wanna start in the right direction
 
to the left to the left
 
1:41 PM
@corvid Start with basic maths then.
once you feel comfortable with matrix and vector math, you'll be able to easily understand projection and view in 3D space
at that point you should be able to write your own 3D renderer given only "put pixel" method.
(Well okay I've left out stuff like triangle culling but that isn't very hard either)
 
@Cicada hi
 
@sehe Hi sehe, how are you?
 
Also why are you under Cicada again
 
@Cicada Sameness, I guess :)
 
You can't expect me to keep up with more than one profile of yours
 
1:43 PM
@BartekBanachewicz What do you mean "again", who are you?
 
@BartekBanachewicz We don't
 
@sehe As long as it's a good sameness :)
 
@Cicada you're answering too many CUDA questions to pull that off.
 
Next nick, Cicuda. Or OpenClicada
 
(btw joozek deployed potato empires to heroku yesterday)
on a paid instance getit
 
1:44 PM
Omg why
 
no idea. He was playing with this thing called Circle CI iirc
anyway we should sit down and finish it proper someday
release 0.1 was a huge success
 
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hrrm? Capacity depleted by CUDA trivia -> unimportant people references garbage collected :)
 
> With over 2 people playing, v0.1 shows promises for further development
5
> 89/100 - metacritic.com - "can't wait for something actually playable"
 
@BartekBanachewicz no...
 
user1804599
1:49 PM
I think I will give rendering 3D vector fields another try in C++.
 
afternoon
 
@rightføld you might want to use old OpenGL at first.
just to get more comfortable with the numbers.
 
Why doesn't the social pipeline pass me the original request? God only knows.
Morning
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz no.
 

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