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user1804599
9:00 PM
Hmm, I find Integer too long.
 
user1804599
How about Z.
 
@sbi pluralis modestiae
 
Also
 
@JerryCoffin Which probably means I have something to learn
 
@TemplateRex I have also thought about (and implemented) an accumulate_if, though a decent Range would render it completely unnecessary.
 
9:01 PM
OK so I ate the whole bag of gummi bears intended as the twins potty training incentives. In my defense, http://niemann.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/09/the-gummi-bear-chronicles/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
lol. recognizable
 
@JerryCoffin you should write a proposal!
 
-1t // what happens here?
 
@Rapptz it's common habit in scientific publications
 
I have published papers and I don't use 'We' if I have no co-authors.
(Biomedical Science)
std::ptrdiff_t is signed but your UDL definition takes an unsigned long long
 
@sbi he's a genius, I have several of his books, but Chimp Politics is the best
 
9:02 PM
I thought these were going to be actual suffixes like f, ULL, etc.
 
You don’t get to choose the UDL parameter type, for numeric ones. It’s all unsigned long long and long double.
 
sbi
@TemplateRex Yep, it's definitely one of his best.
 
@Rapptz The fact that you have done it doesn't mean it's not a common habit :)
 
I don't see it as often as you make it seem.
 
I was taught to use it
 
9:03 PM
@sbi all the lecturers of the linked Tinbergen-lezing are must-reads (Diamond, Dawkins, Wilson, Pinker etc.)
 
Sounds like taking "don't say I" too far to me.
There are better ways to get around that.
 
@Rapptz only Bjarne can get away with "I"
 
I'd expect "I" if there's only one author.
 
@Rapptz the ull parameter is the only overload that matches
 
I see ‘we’ plenty in CS papers, but I don’t keep track of what’s a co-publication and what’s not.
 
9:05 PM
@Rapptz operator "" is severely restricted , you can do unsigned long long, long double, char* + size_t and template<char...>
 
I know it is
I was just commenting on the 'actual suffixes' thing.
-1t is broken I think
 
@sbi lol
 
@LucDanton Most papers now a days have co-authors.
I think like 90% of the papers I see have co-authors.
 
I would agree.
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Actually, I find very little to laugh about that. (I was the first here to ever put down room ownership.)
 
9:08 PM
Yeah, who cares about the real problems in life? Being a room owner in an internet chatroom is troublesome!
Tell them.
 
@Rapptz that will apply unary minus on 1t
 
Is that how it works?
Neat.
 
@Rapptz yes, I used it on an Angle<T> class template with _deg suffix
 
No negative literals.
 
the class does arithmetic mod 360, and auto a = -140_deg; works fine
 
user1804599
9:10 PM
Hmm, come to realise.
 
user1804599
Will a compiler optimise that O(n) summing solution to an O(1) one?
 
which O(N) summing solution?
 
@AndyProwl @JerryCoffin you guys don't prefer pd and sz over t and z?
 
@TemplateRex Perhaps. I did it in some code I posted code Code Review. Wouldn't be terribly difficult to flesh out into a full proposal though.
 
user1804599
@Puppy int n = 0; for (int i = 1; i <= input; ++i) n += i;.
 
9:12 PM
@rightføld Mathematica will
 
user1804599
Can be optimised to int n = input * (input + 1) / 2.
 
@TemplateRex I'd definitely prefer reading sz over z, but the argument about consistency with formatters makes sense
 
probably not.
unless it's a specific case of a much more general optimization
 
news
I just debugged the circuit
 
user1804599
It probably will if input is constant, but yeah for dynamic values it probably won't.
 
sbi
9:14 PM
@Jefffrey That coming from you, who cannot put down the grudge over someone being unable to stand others talking openly about what they see as his shortcomings, seems rather immature. Given how you react to him leaving, what would have happened if you had been a room owner when Jerry and I had our discussion? Would you have kicked us? Or wouldn't you? Would you have thought about it? Tormented yourself about what would be the best way to deal with the situation?
Well, if not, you're not fit for room ownership. (And, frankly, after this, uh, rather limited statement you aren't fit for room ownership in my eyes anyway.)
 
@TemplateRex I wouldn't. I can see a lot of people accustomed to HN (for one) reading sz as meaning "signed".
 
manually stopping in the right places and giving voltage simulating hot input
AND IT WORKED
why doesn't the unit work then. Why do I get no input :/
 
@JerryCoffin ow, there's no z in signed,
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz Are you still fiddling with the same non-working LEDs like you did the other night?
You are boring. :)
 
inner city schools might disagree though ;-)
 
9:15 PM
@sbi yes, not giving up makes me boring
 
@TemplateRex No, but in HN, s is often used for "signed" (as well as "string"), so sz would mean "signed, something with z", or "string, zero-terminated".
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz :)
 
I manually verified every output and input
but there's something I must've left out :/
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sounds like you need a logic probe (or a logic analyzer).
 
@JerryCoffin HN? sorry don't know the abbrev.
 
9:19 PM
hell
I can trigger it with my finger
 
@TemplateRex Oh, sorry. Hungarian Notation. Those [expletive deleted] prefixes Microsoft puts on type names.
 
@JerryCoffin oww, before my time :-)
@AndyProwl @JerryCoffin so one more Q: td and zu vs t and z?
 
@JerryCoffin what can I replace it with? How do I use it?
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Actually, the real HN, as invented by the guy with the name that resists my attempts at spelling, has little to do with the abomination the WinAPI guys turned it in.
 
9:21 PM
@JerryCoffin ah, never entered that domain
 
uh these goddamn cables are so flimsy
how do people work with them I don't get it
 
@sbi Charles Simonyi. That seems open to a great deal of question. As far as I can tell, he started with a fairly simple idea, that they followed fairly closely. He developed the idea over time into something (at least arguably) more useful, but the Windows guys didn't seem to follow that very closely (if at all). In his original paper, however, he's pretty specific about type relating primarily to storage size, not the logical quantity being represented (which IMO is the biggest blunder).
 
@TemplateRex I wouldn't want to read zu, z is already counter-intuitive enough for me. I think sz is better - for teachability if nothing else - and the fact that it's one more character to type is a non-argument IMO. However, I do buy the argument about consistency with formatters.
 
@AndyProwl tnx, it's bikeshedding anyway
 
I'm wondering whether this consistency is really important though
@TemplateRex Yeah
 
9:26 PM
who is going to champion you guy's papers?
 
@AndyProw @JerryCoffin @Rapptz thanks for chiming in, I'll add your nicks to the Acknowledgement in the next version
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Ah, so there is a history before the history I knew, which takes away the blame from him, and that prehistory again blames him. This is confusing. Also, I am sure his name was more complicated. (There's gotta be a z in there somewhere.) But then, you took long enough to probably have it googled.
 
@Rapptz haven't submitted mine, I missed the deadline this time, only started this weekend
 
Somebody motivate me to shave...
 
will try for next meeting
@Rapptz I probably ask the LEWG secretary for guidance and also post on std-proposals
 
9:28 PM
I don't think I'm able to travel some thousand miles to hope my paper gets approved :/
 
@TemplateRex not needed in my case ;)
 
@Rapptz which one is yours?
 
Well I was speaking in general.
I don't have a paper.
 
@AndyProwl you probably should propose one anyway, because sometimes there is guidance from EWG towards authors to merge efforts
 
@AndyProwl Not terribly, IMO. I think those formatters were added recently enough that relatively few people are likely to know them and write C++ with UDLs.
 
9:29 PM
@Rapptz I would probably go to a Europe meeting, but not to a US one
 
I think European meetings are much more common than US ones.
 
no, most of it is in the US
 
god knows how long it will take me to finish my paper
 
The only one in recent memory that was in US was Issaquah.
 
it's more or less alternating
but some back-to-back US meetings
 
9:32 PM
ic
 
@JerryCoffin I use them for angles _deg, it's a nice gimmick
 
I use them for bigint
 
my next paper will be more ambitious: "Relaxed constexpr library additions"
it really annoys me that all the constexpr in the current N4140 is either on global/static functions or on const members, not making any use of the relaxed constexpr that became available in C++14
 
@sbi I hadn't, but now I have. I suppose I could be mis-representing his original paper though.
 
so I picked 3 items: swap, reverse_iterator and array and made all 3 fully constexpr.
 
9:36 PM
I think we should have the possibility of writing constexpr functions that are always evaluated at compile-time
 
quote of the day from Alisdair about why getting involved with the Standard: "pedants rejoice - we have a valuable skill!"
@AndyProwl I want implicit constexpr, like in D
 
sbi
> The basic idea is to name all quantities by their types.
There's little to misinterpret in that, I'm afraid.
 
@TemplateRex I want to be able to use constexpr function parameters as template arguments
 
@AndyProwl that would work if constexpr is implicit
 
I see
 
9:38 PM
only if the compiler can't figure it out, because you depend on I/O, it will give an error
 
interesting
 
@sbi Don't be
 
I don't think the Committee realized they are digging a constexpr hole for themselves with relaxed constexpr
essentially all the literal types (tuple, pair, array, complex, chrono) that currently have some constexpr members can be made fully constexpr
 
that's not quite true.
optional<T> is a literal type IIRC, but I wonder if they ever looked at the sizeof problem.
 
The variant proposal suggests making it a literal type. I’m not looking forward to implementing that.
 
sbi
9:41 PM
But then again:
> in rowFirst: row is the type; First is the qualifier.
 
@Puppy does optional<T> impose requirements on T?
 
sbi
That doesn't look like his meaning of "type" is the same as the compiler's.
 
like no virtuals?
 
no.
 
@TemplateRex Must not be a reference type.
 
sbi
9:41 PM
@Cicada Why couldn't you even leave my fears to me?
 
@sbi I think it can be argued (to some degree at least) in either direction. The big question is whether he was really referring to physical types or logical types. In any case, in C++ it becomes pretty pointless (IMO), simply because most of what it was intended to accomplish can be done in ways the compiler can directly enforce (e.g., it's trivial to define types that directly prevent invalid assignments and such).
 
pretty much the only thing you have to do to qualify for optional is be movable and destructible.
 
@Puppy then you probably could make it constexpr wholesale
 
No need for movable, but destructible is indeed a requirement. Move constructible/move assignable are on a per-operation basis.
 
@sbi I'm just trying to bring some comfort
 
sbi
9:42 PM
@Cicada Comforting me by taking something away? That's an awkward gesture.
 
hmm
I wonder what approach D took to sizeof.
 
@sbi Here, have your fears back
 
@Puppy so in a nutshell: what is the sizeof problem?
 
@Puppy You mean sizeof(D)? /cc @sehe
 
sizeof(tits)==D
 
sbi
9:43 PM
@JerryCoffin Trivial? No. Not by the standards back then. I mean, how did you create a few dozen integer-like types that don't mix back then?
 
Writing correct lock-free code is hard
 
@TemplateRex What is sizeof(void*) for a function evaluated at both compiletime and runtime where the build system and the runtime system have different sizes?
 
@Puppy I would impose that they are the same
 
There’s no compile-time void*.
 
ABI incompatible otherwise
 
9:44 PM
so you can't have relaxed constexpr if I'm targetting x64 from x86?
 
sbi
> dX – difference between two instances of type X
If this was "types" as the compiler sees it, it should have been prefixed with x, rather than d. So he was misunderstood.
 
@Puppy right
 
that's pretty dumb.
 
and fuck x86 anyway (free after STL)
 
@Puppy You likely will be able to.
 
9:45 PM
@LucDanton Right, but not if constexpr is relaxed too far where you could observe target-specific details, of which sizeof is the easiest example, without an explicit mechanism to handle it.
 
Indeed (although sizeof has always been compile-time, obviously).
 
sbi
Wow, this has K&R C. That's pretty old.
(I had to close the tab, lest my eyes start to bleed.)
 
right.
 
@Puppy The relaxation is e.g. having variables and mutation.
I don’t expect things like casting to and from void* to make it in. For the reasons you’re thinking of.
 
you don't need to.
just observe the size.
like I dunno
 
9:47 PM
@sbi I'm not talking about then, but about now.
 
@sbi I still remember reading a paper in the late 90s where the authors used K&R C with the function parameters declared inside the function scope or something. Now that had me puzzled for quite a while
 
optional<array<char, sizeof(void*)>>.
 
@Puppy Works fine.
 
so if I'm on a compiler which is x64 but targetting x86, then sizeof(void*) still has to be 4.
implying directly that you can't JIT or similar constexpr functions.
 
@sbi Not necessarily true--for example, the difference between two pointers is a ptrdiff_t, which is some signed integer type, not a pointer.
 
sbi
9:48 PM
@TemplateRex I think the first K&R bookcopy I ever browsed had this.
 
sizeof is probably the worst example to pick. The sizes have always been those of the resulting program. There is no confusion possible.
 
@sbi K&R, and I think really designed for assembly language.
 
there was never a reason to have it be any other size before.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Yeah, C was designed as a portable assembler, after all.
 
"the resulting program" is ambiguous when you introduce constexpr functions.
since there is now more than one resulting program.
 
sbi
9:49 PM
@JerryCoffin I am not sure what to read into/out of your argument there.
 
Then the problem is not that sizeof will mysteriously be reporting something new (that’s never going to happen, and why do I have to point it out?), but what mechanism should report that new stuff.
 
@TemplateRex Pre-standard, it was like int f(x, y) int x, y; { ...
 
@Puppy No.
 
you don't have to point out that obviously sizeof will never change behaviour
I'm just pointing out that there is an ambiguity that did not exist before.
 
@Puppy I appreciate your line of thinking, but I think that you are quite a bit ahead of the current language, I was talking about the library lagging the language :-)
 
9:50 PM
@sbi point was that the type for dX might not be x at all.
 
@Puppy Does that make your ‘sizeof problem’ disingenuous?
 
no.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Yes, but it very likely wasn't intended to be a type D either.
 
it merely makes evident that we'd need a new sizeof.
 
9:52 PM
Right, that’s a better phrasing.
 
thoroughly enjoyable
 
unless you were to enforce that the host system always emulates the target system, with all the downsides.
for example, no JITting or precompilation of constexpr functions in the general case.
 
There are several restrictions in place (e.g. non-type template parameters of pointer/reference type) that makes programming at compile-time is not quite the same thing as the regular kind of programming. I don’t expect them to be challenged for the time being.
 
@Puppy is that any different than general ABI requirements for DLLs?
 
@TemplateRex I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
9:53 PM
@Puppy linking code with 32-bit size_t with code having 64-bit size_t?
 
that's just a general ABI problem that has absolutely nothing to do with DLLs.
unless you meant linking x86 code with x64 code, which is obviously impossible.
 
right, DLL was merely an illustration
 
@LucDanton Yes, and I'm just pointing out that removing some of those restrictions exposes host-system-specific details that were invisible before.
 
Variables and mutation? No.
 
well I guess that the problem probably still exists in C++11 in a lesser form.
 
9:56 PM
@TemplateRex That sounds like a terrible idea. :)
 
If you think there are holes in constexpr, you haven’t been trying hard enough :v
 
@sbi Right--bottom line (IMO) is that trying to ascribe a precise intent to the paper is a little like trying to argue over the precise weight of a three (or possibly four) legged woman in a Picasso.
 
@Mysticial so does compiling constexpr code on 32-bit and expecting it to run on 64-bit
 
what, you thought it was self-evident?
 
@Mysticial Wow are you racist or what? Typical apartheid idea
 
9:57 PM
@TemplateRex I think we can all agree that host system should not affect the compiler output.
there's no reason why x86 should not be able to target x64.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Is that woman blue or pink? :)
 
@Puppy The obvious ‘hole’ we have right now is floating-point arithmetic. The Standard goes ‘not my problem, deal with it’ and washes its hands at it.
 
@Puppy well if you cross-compile then sizeof(void*) would be determined by the target system, right?
 
I'm less concerned about that because pretty much everybody uses IEEE754 nowadays and that's more of a C++-specific fail.
whereas the sizeof thing obviously impacts anyone trying to cross-compile in several languages offering these features (Wide and D at least) as well as C++.
@TemplateRex Right.
 
@TemplateRex will watch that, thanks
 
9:59 PM
@Puppy so then you just need to make sure that you actually run that code on the target system
 
so you're going to ban cross-compiling?
 
@AndyProwl the other AM video is also fun
 
My point that it’s not a hole that went unnoticed, since there is an explicit disclaimer for it. Amazingly enough the people that write the wording of the C++ Standard apparently know how compiling a C++ program works. And so I don’t expect sizeof to mysteriously fail to work.
 
@sbi Chartreuse with Feldgrau stripes.
 
@LucDanton Holes in general, I expect. But I don't know of anyone else discussing this specific one.
 
sbi
10:00 PM
@JerryCoffin Now, I have no idea where you got the "Feldgrau" from, but to me it implies really bad things.
 
relying on sizeof(ptr) sounds dumb as hell tbh
 
I’ll take a quick look.
 
TIL that the German AirForce is still called Luftwaffe
 
@Rapptz Easily done. Just make optional<vector<T>>.
 
(or more accurately, again called that, because it was banned from 1945-1956)
 
10:01 PM
architecture_traits
 
anyway
I gotta go have a bath and then go to bed before work tomorrow
see you guys next time
 
TIL that the Finnish Air Force currently uses the swastika as emblem
 
sbi
@TemplateRex In other news: The British Air Force is still called Air Force.
 
@sbi It's a name for a color I saw somewhere or other (no real recollection of where). If memory serves, it's supposedly the grey color of the uniform worn by some "field" troops of some Germanic army at one time or another (Hessian is what comes to my mind, but I've absolutely zero certainty of that).
 
@sbi the Bundeswehr is not the Wehrmacht anymore
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin "field gray"
 
@TemplateRex Not too shocking, in many places in the world this is a positive symbol
 
> The FAF changed the insignia after 1944, due to an Allied Control Commission decree[6] prohibiting the existence of Pro-Hitler and Fascism organizations. The swastika was removed due to the resemblance to the Nazi Swastika.[6]
 
@Puppy There is not much to discuss. A quick look reveals that the hatches are still held tight.
 
sbi
@TemplateRex Yep. They weren't called "Wehrmacht" before the 3rd Reich, though, AFAIK.
 
10:06 PM
@sbi Yeah--though as such things go, it wouldn't be terribly surprising (at least to me) if somebody invented it as a name in 1975, and just ascribed the history to it. Then again, German being they way it is, making up a new noun out of existing pieces is normal anyway, so who knows.
 
Now you can do *p++ in a loop instead of *p + recursion on p + 1. That’s about it.
 
@sbi Reichswehr
Varieties of the color green may differ in hue, chroma (also called saturation or intensity) or lightness (or value, tone, or brightness), or in two or three of these qualities. Variations in value are also called tints and shades, a tint being a green or other hue mixed with white, a shade being mixed with black. A large selection of these various colors is shown below. == Green in nature == Green is common in nature, especially in plants. Many plants are green mainly because of a complex chemical known as chlorophyll which is involved in photosynthesis. Many shades of green have been named after...
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin You make up new nouns, too (what about "redwood", "upvote"?), you just don't have a grammatical system to put it into.
 
@Puppy Plainly, relaxed constexpr does not put a C++ compiler into your C++ compiler.
 
@LucDanton you can also have non-const class member functions marked as constexpr
that opens the door quite a bit
anything except lambdas, virtuals and dynamic allocations
 
10:09 PM
@TemplateRex Different relaxation.
ooo I see it. It’s not listed in the summary :s
 
@LucDanton the C++14 library only has C++11 constexpr language support
 
What?
 
all constexpr specifiers only apply to global functions, static member functions or const member functions
 
I’m looking at the language.
 
this line of discussion was started by my observation that C++14 language support for constexpr was not at all reflected in the library
 
10:11 PM
Yeah and I wasn’t a participant.
 
e.g. std::swap can be made constexpr, so can reverse_iterator and almost every type that currently has a constexpr constructor
 
@sbi Right--I certainly wasn't trying to say it was unique to German (though in English, making up a new word is noticeably different/separate from normal usage, and you're unlikely to see a relatively new word used in anything like a formal paper).
@TemplateRex Hmm...so in this case it looks like it's more "legitimate" than I realized.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin I bet there could be a formal paper on how SO works which uses "upvote" and "downvote".
 
great novel in the Bernie Gunther series
 
@sbi There could be, but it'd definitely put it in quotes, reinforcing how academics (for example) view it.
 
sbi
10:16 PM
@JerryCoffin Shrug. Give such systems as SO a few dozen years, and nobody will put it in quotes. As I said, the difference is that in your language composite nouns slip into the language in an informal way, while in my language there's a set of rules that fix how you do it.
Also, basically you even do it when you stick nouns together gluing them with merely a whitespace, as in "Sergent Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band" – something you cannot translate into German, because you cannot simply stick nouns together endlessly in German. It's just that you pretend (by putting spaces in there) that you don't do what you're doing, while we stick to rules while doing it openly. :)
 
@sbi there are already studies on stackoverflow
neither use upvote/downvote
that one is from 2012, uses upvote/downvote without quotes
 
sbi
@TemplateRex Thanks. See, @Jerry. You do it, to. :)
 
@sbi I bet Frans de Waal will one day write a novel, Nerd Politics about the social interactions here ;-)
or just a paper: "Rage-Quitting among Apes"
 
sbi
@TemplateRex I bet he won't. He's too devoted to his apes.
 
ok I'm pretty pissed
no hot water.
 
10:22 PM
ah puppy so nice and fluffy from your bath
man among men
taking cold baths
 
sbi
Puppy among men.
 
@TemplateRex Obviously not really formal (by definition, since it uses them without quotes). :-)
 
@JerryCoffin Stanford is good enough for me
 
@sbi I think we're in violent disagreement here.
 
@sbi dog among puppies
 
sbi
10:26 PM
@JerryCoffin Really, if I wanted to translate "Sergent Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band", I'd have to say something like "sergeant pepper's band of the club of the lonely hearts", because you cannot stick nouns together endlessly in German as you can do in English.
 
@TemplateRex I've been to Stanford. Not as informal as Berkeley, but definitely not a particularly formal kind of place either. That's not to say it isn't good, only that it's pretty informal. The kind of place you show up to class and the professor might well show up in cut-offs and flip-flops.
 
@JerryCoffin nothing like east coast Ivy League then?
 
@TemplateRex Quite different, yes.
 
@TemplateRex Not a chance.
my landlord is gonna get a bunch of mean texts.
my place was dirty, the bathroom door doesn't even shut, no hot water, no mailbox key, electric pre-payment meter paying off the previous tenant's debts
not happy.
 
I like Charles Leiseron's (of the algorithms book) homepage (he's at MIT):
Q1. Do you go by "Chuck" or "Charlie"?

A1. Neither. My friends call me "Charles". You should, too.
 
sbi
10:29 PM
> The researchers had previously shown that one placoderm species was the earliest animal known to have engaged in penetrative sex – Good they cleared this up.
 
@Puppy how long a lease did you sign?
 
six months
 
@sbi Yeah, but that's not exactly normal English either (though it certainly fits a lot better with English than German).
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin There is no non-normal German you an say this with.
 
@sbi Except that as you said, you can string together the modifiers with 'of the XXX".
 
10:31 PM
alright, time to hit the sack, take care everyone
 
@TemplateRex G'night.
 
@JerryCoffin The words making the connection (‘of the’ and so on) are all the difference though.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin I think most, if not all, indo-european languages can do that. (Even Spanish, which I think has no Genitive.) It's the stringing them together with nothing but a space in between that I think is uncommon.
 
@sbi I definitely agree with this. Did I say I want to be a room owner?
Maybe I did sometime ago.
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Not that I know of. But then, I haven't said you said so. :)
 
10:35 PM
@sbi Wat
If you mean me saying that LRiO is a pussy, then you misunderstood me
 
sbi
@Jefffrey I didn't say you said you wanted to be a room owners.
 
@sbi You're probably right about that (I'm not questioning it, just admitting that while it fits with what I know, I don't know enough languages well enough to give anything like a definitive confirmation of it).
 
As I said, I'm not able to hate people.
@sbi I was replying to an older message.
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Yes. I followed the arrow to see which one you replied to. Why?
 
Because you replied by repeating what you had stated immediately before.
 
10:39 PM
@TemplateRex Whereas Donald Knuth seems to have no problem at all with being called "Don" (and certainly deserves at least as much respect as anybody writing about algorithms).
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Go home, Jefffrey, you're drunk.
 
@TemplateRex It is quite interesting that std::array came to be just because he thought he had to submit something. :D
 
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A: Using boost multi index like relational DB

seheI've simplified your (ridiculously complicated¹) model to: enum TimePoints { // Lets assume t1 > t2 > t3 > t4 t1 = 100, t2 = 80, t3 = 70, t4 = 20, }; using IdType = std::string; using Symbol = std::string; using TimeT = unsigned int; struct tickerUpdateInfo { IdType m_id; ...

Wow. I've set a new record for spending too much time on a question on SO again.
 
@JerryCoffin I find it not uncommon for TV shows, films and so on to use things like ‘What is this pool of swimming you speak of’ for a humorous generic foreign character. Since that’s a product of English-speaking writers though, I’m not exactly sure what that tells us :)
 
Looking at the A. Meredith video...
Somebody should propose a unit testing framework to the standard.
 
10:48 PM
@LucDanton About like most TV, it tells us that most writing for TV borders on incompetent. :-)
 
Hey I mentioned films as well :)
 
@LucDanton Much the same. At one time, films were clearly better than TV. Then for a while, people joked that TV was becoming almost as good as films. Then people quit joking about it, and started to fear it. Now I'd say it's pretty close to simple fact. The series written for cable (e.g., Breaking Bad) are pretty clearly better written than nearly any film.
 
@JerryCoffin Then people quit joking? :P
 
Despite that, yes, I think most writing for TV borders on incompetent. Films seem to have almost given up on actual writing in favor of 'splosions. Mind you, I've nothing against a film with explosions, car chases, etc., but it is nice to have at least a little story to go with.
@Jefffrey Yes, that's what I said. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 
@sbi Actually, I think he's right. Look like you didn't follow the right arrow here: it leads here instead.
So he was confused by your (accurate) response to his snark "Being a room owner in an internet chatroom is troublesome!"... You didn't address that (instead repeated what you just said about something else, indeed)
@JerryCoffin Oh noes. I'm missing out then.
 
10:55 PM
@JerryCoffin They simply have a lot more time to work with. Walter White received far more characterization in, like, 4500 minutes, than any film character could gain in 120.
 
@JerryCoffin Phew. Relief
 
the medium of films only really suits short, punchy stories.
and it's no surprise that their content reflects that.
and they face the same problem of AAA-gaming, which is to say, too large production costs having to be recouped by making a few blockbusters.
 
However, film, the medium, can be much more for the kind of submersive experience. A series never does it for me. I hate that the stuff comes to a circle every ~45 minutes. It feels repetitive even if you watch the episodes back to back.
 
@sehe Your linked answer is very interesting, +1
 
Thank you, my dear
 
10:58 PM
@sehe Depends on the series.
 
@AlexM. you :P
 
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@Borgleader It's so Alex-like it's almost frightening
 
@Puppy I'll take your word for it. My interest is mildly sparked by Jerry's observation. Not that I would suddenly start watching series. I'd have to cut down on SO time :{
 
some series don't really have an "X of the week"
 

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