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7:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz was it short that you could restate it here?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sure. Give me a second to slap my balls in your face.
 
@Pawnguy7 I remember that I said that World is a "dumb" class
@EtiennedeMartel :*
 
I seem to recall that as well. I think you were talking about my version.
 
@BartekBanachewicz let is an expression in JS.
 
I knew beforehand that I lack data to support my claims so I shouldn't engage in that.
 
7:02 PM
just like haskell
 
Anyway, I moved the actual drawing to the World as you had in your gist, but the design of the Renderer is still the same - say, isBlending, calculateIncrement, etc.
 
@ShuklaSannidhya except javascript is dynamically typed and sucks in general, and haskell is awesome, yeah
 
Nnnnnnnnnnnnnng record wildcards in do-notation, why??
 
@Pawnguy7 if you want, we can set up a date, get on skype and design it from scratch together. I am simply tired of explaining that over and over again
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah... exactly... That's what I was expecting, a Bartek-y reply.
 
7:04 PM
I think MSVC's std::vector::assign is being SFINAE'd because it thinks std::istream_iterator<T> isn't an iterator...
 
@ShuklaSannidhya what else would I reply? Language A vs Language B always ends in a pointless rant. And if you don't know why JS sucks, go watch Wat video
 
@BartekBanachewicz Don't have Skype either. Apparently everybody else does... hrm. Anyway, was the design of it bad in general, or due to it drawing them itselves? That is, if they not draw themselves, can it do essentially the same management?
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck IIRC, MSVC only checks for !std::is_same<InIt, int> or something.
 
@Pawnguy7 then install it god dammit
 
@Xeo MSVC 2012 has typename enable_if<_Is_iterator<_Iter>::value, void>::type
 
Xeo
7:06 PM
Yeah, check _Is_iterator
: public integral_constant<bool, !is_integral<_Iter>::value>
 
@Xeo yeah
 
@BartekBanachewicz Did you read the rest of that?
 
wait, now GCC is doing it too. my code must be wrong.
 
@Xeo How does that check if it's an iterator
 
Xeo
// tests for reasonable iterator candidate
 
7:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz There is no Language A vs Language B going on. It's just some liar talking shit about JS.
 
Xeo
It's not a mandated check
 
I found my bug >.<
 
user1804599
Yay I wrote a web app in Gear.
 
Xeo
The mandated SFINAE checks use the "... shall not participate in overload resolution" wording
 
std::istream_iterator<std::string> first(file), last();
 
Xeo
7:08 PM
@MooingDuck haha
 
@ShuklaSannidhya js sucks so it's justified
 
Xeo
MVP got yer ass
 
@A.H. It is. None of the ones I suggested goes against that.
 
user1804599
@ShuklaSannidhya Well fork my damn repository and edit the readme if you don't like it.
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold So Gear is already production-ready? :P
 
user1804599
7:10 PM
@Xeo It compiles, so ship it.
5
 
user1804599
It's even geared towards web scale!
 
Xeo
:O
Will it run circles around PHP?
 
user1804599
In terms of terribleness? Nah.
 
user1804599
 
lol
 
user1804599
7:15 PM
I found that minifiers remove redundant parentheses, so I'm not going to bother with them.
 
I really dislike .inl files.
 
user1804599
You know.
 
yes
 
user1804599
I was thinking of allowing reverse string interpolation in pattern matching, e.g. match text { "Hello, #{name}!" { name } }. :P
 
so regex, but somehow, you managed to make it even shittier?
 
user1804599
7:21 PM
But it would likely be a pain in the ass.
 
@Rapptz I dislike most files that don't contain pure C++ code to include or link to.
 
> I really like std::throw_with_nested in c++11 since it emulates java's printStackTrace()
5
Someone has no idea what they are doing.
 
s/Someone/Virtually everyone/
 
Why do I automatically dismiss reading material based on small things =[
 
@Rapptz like what?
 
7:27 PM
Maybe I discriminate so much, but when someone says C/C++ and recommends a bad book I just stop reading.
 
user1804599
Phew, finally added the blank pattern. Used # because _ is a valid identifier and used by Underscore-fucking-.js.
 
o god wtf data instances
 
ah damn it.. so much C code.
 
@not-rightfold use asm!
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know if it still works then.
 
7:29 PM
@not-rightfold then make it so it works :F
 
This must be old, I think he made his own hash table... I think
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Put "use asm"; at the top of your source file. :V
 
tl;dr add Unique(..) to export list. Of course.
 
@not-rightfold so are you going to finish that?
all manuals, docs, and shit
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Finish Gear?
 
7:31 PM
@not-rightfold mhm
 
user1804599
I only need to add null, undefined, comparison operators and variable rebinding and then it's basically usable.
 
user1804599
Then I'm going to add variadics and Haskell-like @ in patterns.
 
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
all manuals, docs, and shit
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Manual is the readme.
 
user1804599
And I will expand it to cover all features.
 
7:33 PM
"(...) add null, undefined, (...) usable". Well done.
 
why writing CMakeLists.txt is easier than writing makefile
 
@Tiina no shit
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes JavaScript functions could return that and there has to be a way to compare them using pattern matching.
 
writing Sconstruct is easier than writing CMakeLists.txt
 
Missing none, nothing, and file_not_found. At least.
 
user1804599
7:33 PM
lol
 
VB had Missing too.
And Empty.
 
if just compare makefile and cmakelists.txt... don\t know others yet
 
lol
 
user1804599
Currently you can use ^null and ^undefined in patterns but that's a bug.
 
user1804599
They should be keywords.
 
7:37 PM
They should be polymorphic constants. :v
 
user1804599
They should not be there at all. :v
 
... why is there javascript here
is there going to be PHP next
@Tiina what are you saying?
 
user1804599
undefined should rewrite to (void 0) and null to null.
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf
why writing CMakeLists.txt is easier than writing makefile
 
I'd forget about undefined and wrap it somehow internally.
 
user1804599
7:40 PM
Guess I also want JavaScript literals.
 
I m reading a blog about cmake, it says KDE4 uses cmake because of that. And now I m reading how to write cmakelists.txt and don't think it is easier
 
@BartekBanachewicz you have a blog?
 
user1804599
@EiyrioüvonKauyf because my compiler outputs it.
 
user1804599
Arrrg I need to shit brb.
 
You should output asm.js anyway :v
 
user1804599
7:42 PM
I am not aware of asm.js so no.
 
user1804599
Gear 2.
 
Already a sequel?
Exciting.
 
> Irrefutable pattern failed for pattern Data.Maybe.Just recipe
Code fast, crash young!
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user1804599
If asm.js doesn't support dynamic typing it's a no-go.
 
Too fast too spurious.
3
 
7:45 PM
@CatPlusPlus ilu
Say, how much of an antipattern is guard $ isNothing foo anyway?
 
Dunno. Maybe it'd be better to use MaybeT and just let Nothing propagate or somethin.
@not-rightfold You laugh, but that's how I'm testing API project here, because trying to run it locally is suicidal.
Compiles? Deploy and see if it doesn't crash and burn. :v
 
already posted. Oh, the update.
 
asm.js isn't out yet @CatPlusPlus
at least not formally
 
Damn. Guy works at 3 places.
 
7:56 PM
Reducing JavaScript to a portable assembly is the best thing ever.
May the app-level JavaScript die and never come back.
 
sadly yes
mostly
though I wouldn't mind a layer that translated app level to a portable assembly for most of it
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah, brainfart on my part. guard had the appropriate semantics actually.
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Huh? I'm pretty sure it was enabled in FF22
 
not via the website
wait nvm they probably just haven't updated it
you're right
 
> *** Exception: user error (mzero)
 
8:00 PM
Odin Monkey seems to be interesting :)
 
Gee, great MonadPlus instance there.
 
I'm assuming they've still got a huge todo list of optimizations and improvements and such, but yeah, the basic feature should be in
 
Xeo
Monad++?
 
user1804599
@Xeo O'Haskell!
 
@Pawnguy7 yep
 
8:02 PM
Link?
 
@not-rightfold asm.js is an assembly... it has nothing to do with typing
@not-rightfold it's called Haskell++
 
Xeo
Meh, head still hurts.
 
@Pawnguy7 bananu7.github.io, but not much yet
 
@BartekBanachewicz Erm why not_
 
I will try to put what I told you in an article
@R.MartinhoFernandes because it consists of basic operations, you build static or dynamic typing on top of that.
 
8:03 PM
In computer science, a typed assembly language (TAL) is an assembly language that is extended to include a method of annotating the datatype of each value that is manipulated by the code. These annotations can then be used by a program (type checker) that processes the assembly language code in order to analyse how it will behave when it is executed. Specifically, such a type checker can be used to prove the type safety of code that meets the criteria of some appropriate type system. Typed assembly languages usually include a high-level memory management system based on garbage collecti...
 
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@BartekBanachewicz Why does the website have a diagram with "type checking"?
 
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@BartekBanachewicz LLVM assembly is typed.
 
asm.js has types.
 
Hell, assembly has types.
 
8:04 PM
This reminds me...there was some kind of structured assembly language compiler/project. Does anybody remember its name?
 
@wilx that sounds... broad. Can you be any more specific? :p
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes was my first thought too
 
C-- was it?
 
That's what GHC used to use.
 
8:06 PM
this was a stupid discussion
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes: Used to? What do they use now?
 
LLVM
The C-- backend is still available, but the default is LLVM now, IIRC.
 
I see.
 
pretty impressive how much traction LLVM has gotten
 
@jalf well the more languages use it the more interest it gets
 
8:09 PM
@jalf Too bad the name sucks.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but it doesn't mean it's impossible to use LLVM for a dynamic language, no?
 
Truly, LLVM is the worst name ever. How could they.
 
@BartekBanachewicz nah, that would be dumb :)
@Rapptz eh, doesn't bother me. The world is full of acronyms that no longer make sense
 
They ditched the acronym. It's been just "LLVM" for a good while.
 
but I'm assuming the acronym is why @Rapptz dislikes the name
 
8:12 PM
Yeah. Now it's just a cruddy name without meaning.
 
@Rapptz like xkcd. Now xkcd sucks too!
 
Names are very important.
 
@jalf xkcd never had meaning!
 
@CatPlusPlus I agree
@Rapptz oh yeah, that makes all the difference :p
@Rapptz sure it does: xkcd.com/207 ;)
 
lol
 
8:15 PM
inb4 @BartekBanachewicz proclaims someone from the lounge has made a new repository on github
 
What?
 
oh god
o_o
ackermann function with grahams number
;A;
more like make the world cry
 
he took informing everyone anytime a new repository was made on github :P
 
I'm sad because I can't get MSDeploy to work.
 
i'm sad you're using MS things
 
8:17 PM
have you tried.... sorry, I'll leave the stupidly sarcastic comments out for once :P
 
@CatPlusPlus wtf is MSDeploy?
 
MS for deploying to IIS / Azure
 
Automated deployment for IIS.
What powers "Publish" in Visual Studio.
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf that one made me wonder, btw, do mathematicians talk about "calling" functions at all, or is that CS lingo?
 
also known as crap
 
8:17 PM
@CatPlusPlus ooh
back when I did a little bit of ASP.NET work, I was impressed at how well that worked. Of course, that just meant it was complex as fuck, and would cause endless pain for anyone trying to deploy more complex sites :)
 
@jalf 1) i'm not a mathematician 2) no one talks about calling functions except CS people
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf yeah, that's what I figured too, and why I thought xkcd's wording seemed odd
 
ASP.NET MVC is simpler and works better.
 
@CatPlusPlus this was before they launched MVC though. But again, it was a fairly straightforward site, so we didn't have to wander off the beaten path when deploying
 
WebForms were godawful.
In terms of developing with.
Thankfully never had to deploy that.
 
8:22 PM
Thankfully I don't have to touch ASP or IIS at all these days :)
life is good :p
 
IIS ain't that bad.
The worst thing I've hit recently was that it doesn't support name-based SSL vhosts.
 
@CatPlusPlus it's still a web server. (although so is apache, which I sadly still have to occasionally touch)
 
ueh i have pipes breaking T_T
any ideas?
 
Well, what do you know, I killed it completely.
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf duct tape?
alternatively, call a plumber?
 
8:26 PM
unfortunately they're on the computer :(
also it's inter-language
 
cool
 
;A;
not cool
i'm writing a crappy thin ackish sort of protocol to exchange info between them
 
well, you should find out why they're breaking, and fix it
 
lol i wish i knew
 
alternatively, use temp files instead
 
8:27 PM
having a Broken Pipe error doesn't help me
 
Aargh I forgot to pull the log4net downgrade commit.
 
or sockets. Or dbus :p
 
I hate working on multiple computers.
 
@jalf i'm thinking sockets next
but i have to open multiple processes so i would rather not start throwing socket libraries
also dbus ..... i haven't used before hmm
lol unfortunately it has to be OS portable
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf my recent Qt-related struggles with it notwithstanding, it's actually a pretty cool way to do cross-process communication. We use it on both Linux and Windows at work
 
8:30 PM
o_O
wait it works on windows
dam i thought it was just a linux daemon at the back
 
sure
but if you're just looking for a quick ad-hoc solution, it is probably overkill
 
nah, a lot of Linux distros use it, but it runs on Windows too (you just have to install it yourself)
 
this is supposed to be really light :(
dammit T_T found the error
python doesn't report when it's processes SEGFAULT
as in subprocesses with it as the parent sigh
 
isn't it usually fairly easy to spot when a process segfaults? :p
 
8:33 PM
no it exits silently :|
as in nothing indicated it was segfaulting
(i'm opening it from python)
sigh
 
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Categorization: games
i hate you all
:<
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf remind me never to get a job wherever you're working
 
also 10**96 somehow yay
:|
a long double has 10**96 in it oh joy
that obviously is right
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf is this still python?
 
8:37 PM
one 3/4 is C++
 
wtf, my code seems to work
 
1/4 is python
the testing part for the multiprocess-stuffs is in python
 
I meant the 10^96 part
 
? oh that's C++ <3 std::cerr << my_long_double
prints 4.4e96
 
user1804599
 
8:39 PM
^ again i hate you
 
Does boost::math not have a piecewise_constant_distribution? Bummer :/
 
unlikely?
no one really does piecewise distros afaik
i'm not sure why but i think i'm tired or incredibly good at designing what i'm going to do
 
tired
 
i just defined an operation in a getter rather than the actual value to do the operation on
and was confused when i was getting the operation
i.e. i accidentally just did inverse(operation(x)) == x why
???
orz
 
user1804599
console.log(2 ~:&1 + &2:~ 3) LOL
 
8:45 PM
also when i'm the loudest person on lounge this leaves a lot of questions like wtf and where did everyone go
 
BuildVision is cool.
 
@thecoshman meh, bash. unportable.
also needs more bukkit
 
user1804599
Bash is not unportable.
 
PowerShell owns.
 
user1804599
Every reasonable operating system comes with Bash pre-installed.
 
8:50 PM
Windows doesn't
and I don't give a fuck about your definitions of OSes
 
user1804599
Windows isn't reasonable so it's irrelevant to my statement.
 
27 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
and I don't give a fuck about your definitions of OSes
i really don't know what I should say to make that clearer
 
user1804599
Then don't respond to my statement.
 
then don't respond to mine
 
8:51 PM
You two are like small children
 
user1804599
I give a fuck, so I do.
 
user1804599
@MooingDuck s/ are//
 
> The date range between the start date and the end date is too wide
More PayPal fun!
 
@not-rightfold then expect that I will respond to your responses
 
user1804599
Heh, ranges.
 
user1804599
8:52 PM
I have to enable range slider for a fucking Magento installation on integer fields.
 
user1804599
Guess what, it only works on price fields.
 
user1804599
Magento is so worthless it's more hilarious than painful.
 
E-commerce, huh.
Lemme guess, it's in PHP.
People still haven't learned to not touch any PHP e-commerce solutions?
 
user1804599
s/ e-commerce//
 
user1804599
But you'd expect basic functionality like this to be there by default.
 
8:56 PM
I mean, phpBB or shit is workable (albeit extremely barely) to run.
But PHP e-commerce solutions were always, without a fail, complete and utter shit.
 
user1804599
MediaWiki is terrible. WordPress is terrible. Magento is terrible. Joomla! is terrible. PHPFox is terrible. All PHP software is terrible.
 
@BartekBanachewicz and why the hell would I try to use windows as a server?
 
You don't know terrible until you tried to run vBulletin installation for more than 10 users.
 
@BartekBanachewicz why? bukkit offers me nothing
 
8:57 PM
@Griwes That is a picture of Djikstra, right?
 
user1804599
CodeIgniter is also terrible.
 
@DeadMG Yes.
 
Minecraft bukkit, or what bukkit?
 
user1804599
PHP's database interfaces remove all type fucking information. I'd rather use Tcl.
 
by the way
 
8:58 PM
@CatPlusPlus ... you have heard of bukkit right?
 
I ceased lurking, and there's fucking nothing here to bin.
 
I've heard of many things.
 
you guise are doing it wrong
 
I don't remember all of them.
 
@not-rightfold Does it make your code burst into flames?
 
8:58 PM
oh, sorry, didn't read it properly, yes the minecraft server bukkit
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel I wish it did.
 

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